[RBW] FS: Toyo 61 cm A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

$2100. I am willing to have REI ship it at buyers expense. I will keep my 
saddle and pedals.

My Craigslist posting is here, with pictures:

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/carlsbad-fs-61-cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7655093235.html

I recently purchased an early model, Toyo-built A Homer Hilsen from the 
previous owner in Los Angeles.  My goal was to see if I would prefer the 
Homer compared to my Romulus enough to justify the expense. I have invested 
a few hundred dollars in new Dura Ace bar end shifters, a new XT cassette, 
new 35 mm Gravelking slicks, and longer cables and cable housing to be able 
to raise and lower the bars so I can find my desired height. I also 
installed fenders and the pictures may show the fenders installed, but I 
intend on keeping them and have removed them.

It is a very nice bike, but the Romulus meets my road bike needs and I want 
to sell the Homer to buy a bikepacking bike, something totally different. I 
put this up for sale months ago on CL, but I have not been trying very hard 
to sell it. Time to move it.

I think the frameset is in very good condition, perhaps excellent. There a 
few minor paint chips on a chain stay, and some chipping on the pointed 
part of the seat tube / top tube lug pointing towards the saddle. I believe 
this is a great opportunity for someone who wants a Toyo Homer in a 61 cm 
to get one in terrific shape. It fits very much like my previous 61 cm 
Atlantis. It actually handles in a very similar manner and that makes it 
difficult to sell, but I want to get a fast drop bar mountain bike more 
than I want to have an additional 700c country bike.
.
I have a 77 cm saddle height set up as pictured. I would suggest this as a 
minimum, and if you are a little taller than me you will probably be able 
to run 40+ mm tires with zero issues. Please message me directly if you 
have serious interest in this bike. 

Regarding the rest of the parts -
Nitto Noodle
Technomic stem, 9 cm (I can swap for another length if you prefer, I have a 
5, 8 and a 11 cm.
Dura Ace bar end shifters, new
Kickstand
Nitto seatpost
Velocity Dyad rims, XT hubs
XT Rapid Rise rear derailer
IRD Alpina front derailer

If you want to buy without the wheelset, I will sell it for $1900.

David Carroll
Carlsbad, CA

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Re: [RBW] Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[Dave C]

[image: hodges sasha 20210411_121248.jpeg]

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 7:48:46 AM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:

> I have a different perspective. First, when I was growing up, I prized my 
> BMX bike and banana seat Schwinn cruiser, even though they were not 
> designed to travel distance like an adult Rivendell. Those bikes gave me 
> freedom, and I was not capable of understanding that a "better" bike was 
> out there, nor would have that served me well. The options we have as first 
> world consumers can be liberating, but they can also be a burden that 
> occupies too much of our time. A BMX bike is a simple machine, one ring and 
> cog, fewer parts to fix. It is unfortunate that many kids bikes are 
> infernally heavy proportional to their weight, but they are still amazing 
> tools that allow kids to propel themselves in ways no kids prior to the 
> last century had at their disposal. 
>
> I bought my 14 year old daughter an e-bike so she can ride to and from 
> school everyday on her hilly commute. The e-bike is impressive, but she 
> often has battery anxiety, and if it dies she wants to be picked up rather 
> than pedal that heavy machine. If she was riding an older 26" hardtail from 
> the late 90s or early aughts, she might sweat a bit more on the uphills but 
> she would likely just walk up the hardest section and never consider 
> calling me. It feels ridiculous that I would spend a bunch of money to make 
> a problem easier and then create new problems. My point is, our kids can 
> adjust to "inferior" or heavier bikes just like they have for decades, and 
> fall in love with biking if they enjoy the adventure. I don't think you 
> have anything to regret, you have simply been burdened with the idea that 
> you are somehow responsible to give them some especially great bike because 
> you did that for yourself; that feeling is powerful and hard to resist, but 
> it is not a fact, just a feeling. At least that is my perspective, from my 
> own experience. By the way, I have bought my kids the lighter of available 
> bikes, but always used Treks and Specializeds that had quality parts and 
> cost $100-$150 used. Then we focused on the important things: a doughnut 
> bell, a kickstand, and cool grips. Dave in Carlsbad
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:40:18 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, first up. 
>>
>> This is the inaugural ride of my Betty Foy. I was living in Southern 
>> California at the time and had arrived home with my new bike after picking 
>> it up at RBW HQ in late 2012. I decided to make us all ride our bikes to 
>> church that Sunday morning. Please note how tiny my littler boy is. I saw 
>> this photo and remembered how many times I insisted he was not pedaling 
>> hard enough when we were riding up the hills. For Pete’s sake, the kid was 
>> 3 years old and weighed like 30 pounds. I was certain he was not doing his 
>> part.
>> [image: image0.png]
>>
>> You’ll notice my older son, who was almost always smiling and never 
>> complaining, has this Haro bike. It was the best we could get because he 
>> was too small for most everything else. It was a BMX bike, and probably not 
>> well-suited to what we were doing. However, I’ll draw your attention to the 
>> next photo…
>>
>> [image: image1.png]
>>
>> Which is this one. Look at this atrocity. We are visiting my parents, and 
>> they have sweetly bought him this new bike from the best sporting goods 
>> store in town. Pacific was supposedly made by the Schwinn people, the only 
>> reputable bike company we knew of by name. If it said Schwinn, it must be 
>> quality. This said Pacific, which meant Schwinn, so it was clearly quality. 
>> We had no idea at the time how monstrously heavy this bike was. Look at my 
>> tiny boy, suffering with every pedal stroke. The bike was way too big for 
>> him (“He’ll make it work, it’s what I did as a kid,” said the helpful 
>> salesman) and it outweighed him, easily. Is it even put together correctly? 
>> Is the fork right? I don’t know, but my sunny child is clearly not enjoying 
>> himself here. I’m sure I told him he was being ungrateful after his 
>> grandparents bought him a brand new bike. And also, pedal harder. 
>>
>> Finally, these last two. I got my act together and ordered that Islabike 
>> you see in the far right, so at least my poor kids were better off. But 
>> what about our dog?! Here he is, stuffed unceremoniously into a Backabike 
>> bag. I knew it was a bad idea but I consoled myself by believing it was the 
>> dog’s fault. He was desperate to come along and was making quite a fuss. 
>> His riding ba

Re: [RBW] Things I Feel Guilty About: Bike Life

[Dave C]

I have a different perspective. First, when I was growing up, I prized my 
BMX bike and banana seat Schwinn cruiser, even though they were not 
designed to travel distance like an adult Rivendell. Those bikes gave me 
freedom, and I was not capable of understanding that a "better" bike was 
out there, nor would have that served me well. The options we have as first 
world consumers can be liberating, but they can also be a burden that 
occupies too much of our time. A BMX bike is a simple machine, one ring and 
cog, fewer parts to fix. It is unfortunate that many kids bikes are 
infernally heavy proportional to their weight, but they are still amazing 
tools that allow kids to propel themselves in ways no kids prior to the 
last century had at their disposal. 

I bought my 14 year old daughter an e-bike so she can ride to and from 
school everyday on her hilly commute. The e-bike is impressive, but she 
often has battery anxiety, and if it dies she wants to be picked up rather 
than pedal that heavy machine. If she was riding an older 26" hardtail from 
the late 90s or early aughts, she might sweat a bit more on the uphills but 
she would likely just walk up the hardest section and never consider 
calling me. It feels ridiculous that I would spend a bunch of money to make 
a problem easier and then create new problems. My point is, our kids can 
adjust to "inferior" or heavier bikes just like they have for decades, and 
fall in love with biking if they enjoy the adventure. I don't think you 
have anything to regret, you have simply been burdened with the idea that 
you are somehow responsible to give them some especially great bike because 
you did that for yourself; that feeling is powerful and hard to resist, but 
it is not a fact, just a feeling. At least that is my perspective, from my 
own experience. By the way, I have bought my kids the lighter of available 
bikes, but always used Treks and Specializeds that had quality parts and 
cost $100-$150 used. Then we focused on the important things: a doughnut 
bell, a kickstand, and cool grips. Dave in Carlsbad

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 6:40:18 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ok, first up. 
>
> This is the inaugural ride of my Betty Foy. I was living in Southern 
> California at the time and had arrived home with my new bike after picking 
> it up at RBW HQ in late 2012. I decided to make us all ride our bikes to 
> church that Sunday morning. Please note how tiny my littler boy is. I saw 
> this photo and remembered how many times I insisted he was not pedaling 
> hard enough when we were riding up the hills. For Pete’s sake, the kid was 
> 3 years old and weighed like 30 pounds. I was certain he was not doing his 
> part.
> [image: image0.png]
>
> You’ll notice my older son, who was almost always smiling and never 
> complaining, has this Haro bike. It was the best we could get because he 
> was too small for most everything else. It was a BMX bike, and probably not 
> well-suited to what we were doing. However, I’ll draw your attention to the 
> next photo…
>
> [image: image1.png]
>
> Which is this one. Look at this atrocity. We are visiting my parents, and 
> they have sweetly bought him this new bike from the best sporting goods 
> store in town. Pacific was supposedly made by the Schwinn people, the only 
> reputable bike company we knew of by name. If it said Schwinn, it must be 
> quality. This said Pacific, which meant Schwinn, so it was clearly quality. 
> We had no idea at the time how monstrously heavy this bike was. Look at my 
> tiny boy, suffering with every pedal stroke. The bike was way too big for 
> him (“He’ll make it work, it’s what I did as a kid,” said the helpful 
> salesman) and it outweighed him, easily. Is it even put together correctly? 
> Is the fork right? I don’t know, but my sunny child is clearly not enjoying 
> himself here. I’m sure I told him he was being ungrateful after his 
> grandparents bought him a brand new bike. And also, pedal harder. 
>
> Finally, these last two. I got my act together and ordered that Islabike 
> you see in the far right, so at least my poor kids were better off. But 
> what about our dog?! Here he is, stuffed unceremoniously into a Backabike 
> bag. I knew it was a bad idea but I consoled myself by believing it was the 
> dog’s fault. He was desperate to come along and was making quite a fuss. 
> His riding basket was full of backpacks, so this was the only way. 
>
> [image: image2.jpeg]
> Also, here is he again, all 15 pounds of him, with a heavy wooden 
> skateboard laying across his back. I’m sure he felt every bump. I am also 
> sure that I was feeling smug for figuring out how to carry all this stuff 
> on my bike. 
> [image: image3.png]
>
> I’m sure there are more of these regrettable photos, and when I find them, 
> I’ll put them here. In the meantime, go ahead and post your guilty bike 
> life memories/photos here. I could use the company. 
>
> Leah
>
> On Mar 4, 

[RBW] Re: Anyone running RH Steilacoom on a Canti-Rom?

[Dave C]

Canti-Romulus, not Romanceur

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 6:19:30 AM UTC-8 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi JS, 
>
> The canti Romanceur fits 650b wheels and the Steilacoom tires are 700c.
>
> Maybe try the Juniper Ridge. 
>
>
> Charlie in Maine 
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:45:05 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I think these will fit , but wanted to check here first to see if anyone 
>> has tried.
>> thank you
>> JS
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis fit question, and maybe purchase help

[Dave C]

Kurt, I would base this on whether or not I was running 32 mm tires or 42+ 
mm tires. I had a 61 cm frame that was fine with 32 but if I wanted to 
really use the generous tire clearance, the top tube was higher than 
desirable off road. From what I understand, a 56 cm with 26” tires could 
possibly be better for you if you are running large tires.

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-8 Kurt Henry wrote:

> A recent thread about the red 58cm Toyo Atlantis for sale in the Bay Area (
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html)
>  
> has brought back an old desire to have an early Atlantis.  It's a model 
> I've looked at for years but never pulled the trigger.  So that brings me 
> to my two questions.
>
> First, I should fit according to the brochure.  I'm 5'10" and run a 75cm 
> saddle height, which is the very bottom edge of a 58cm from that era.  The 
> 58.5 top tube would normally give me pause (~34/35" sleeve length) but I 
> want to run it with flat bars, as the red one is currently set up.  That 
> should help with the top tube length.  Has anyone of my rough dimensions 
> ridden a 58cm Toyo and can comment on their experience?
>
> Unless someone comes out of the last question screaming, "Danger, Will 
> Robinson" we move to my second question: is there a Rivver in the Bay Area 
> that would be willing to check it out for me, hand over the payment, and 
> drop it at a local shop that I could work with to pack and ship it?  I'm in 
> Pennsylvania and they state 'no shipping' in the ad.  I'm happy to 
> reimburse you for the trouble.
>
> Thanks everyone!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

I would be interested in riding the LB. Since I plan on riding my bike 
frequently off road, I wasn't sure how much I would like a low trail bike 
on occasionally chunky and bumpy fire roads in CA. It's a lot to invest in 
a bike like that without trying it out. I am sure the generous tire 
clearance of the LB would help, but not sure about the handling. I hear 
different perspectives about rough road riding in regards to low trail 
design. I have also been interested in the Bombora, which I thought would 
be superior for my choices then the Fargo I had once and sold. Dave

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 10:23:11 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dave, if you are alright with 650b wheels the canti-brake Crust Lightning 
> bolt may fit your description. I believe 650x48 unfendered is about max but 
> check their site to be sure.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-6 Dave C wrote:
>
>> I was in a rush yesterday evening when I wrote my last post; here is a 
>> bit more information that might be useful. I have a Romulus, a Hilsen, a 
>> Soma Double Cross, and I used to have an Atlantis that I owned for ten 
>> years (1st ten Toyo). They are all great bikes, but I think that one's 
>> weight, their load, and the terrain and tires make a big difference in how 
>> the bike feels and the perceptions of stiffness. My Atlantis was an 
>> excellent bike, and I sold it due to size (I wanted to run larger tires on 
>> it and it was too large once I put bigger tires on it). For lightly loaded 
>> riding, I prefer the Romulus and Soma, which feel very pleasant with 
>> vigorous efforts on hills, an important quality to me. I believe off road 
>> and/or with greater loads, the bikes may feel differently, but I am still 
>> testing out the Hilsen further. I do have the Hilsen for sale, because I 
>> need a bike more like the Romulus but with tire clearances similar to the 
>> old Atlantis. That is a hard niche to fill, because it seems most bikes 
>> that clear a 45-50 tend to be built up more stiffly relative to the 
>> Romulus. I really believe that our personal attributes are just as 
>> important as the bike's construction; people often state "this bike is 
>> flexy/stiff" but I think it's probably more accurate to say "for my weight 
>> and riding choices, this bike is flexy/stiff". Dave in Carlsbad
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:31:55 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:
>>
>>> Dan, I have been meaning to write a post about some long term riding 
>>> comparisons I have been making between a Toyo Homer and a Toyo Romulus. I 
>>> have more to say, but I will keep it simple for the moment - yes, there is 
>>> a difference. I have a 59 cm Romulus that rides differently, more flexy in 
>>> a good sense, than the 61 cm Homer.  I will add more later, but I believe 
>>> the Romulus is at my weight -175 pounds - a better ride for light loads and 
>>> fast rides, and the the Homer is a little more stiff, perhaps an advantage 
>>> with greater weight loads. I would wager the Sam will be more like the 
>>> Homer than the Romulus. If you have a 59 cm Romulus, I will buy it from 
>>> you. I have. side pull Romulus and would like a canti one as well.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early 
>>>> Hillbornes with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of 
>>>> overall impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, 
>>>> etc, those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer 
>>>> wheelbase and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other 
>>>> is noticeably stiffer than the other?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
>>>> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
>>>> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>>>>
>>>> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

When I briefly discussed my comparisons between the Homer and the Romulus, 
I did not consider the differences between the wheelset of the bikes. I 
have basically the same tires on each bike, and each has a Sugino triple, 
but the Romulus has the stock Araya road rims and 105 hubs, whereas the 
Homer has Velocity Dyads and XT hubs. I can't speak to the spoke difference 
right now, but it occurs to me that people have discussed ride quality 
differences between wheelsets. I have to admit I have very little 
understanding of how different rims may affect ride quality, and not just 
in terms of weight differences. I would appreciate any observations people 
have had on how a bike like the Homer might ride differently based on the 
wheelset, assuming the same tires. thanks, Dave

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:

> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early Hillbornes 
> with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of overall 
> impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, etc, 
> those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer wheelbase 
> and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other is 
> noticeably stiffer than the other?
>
> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>
> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>
> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

I was in a rush yesterday evening when I wrote my last post; here is a bit 
more information that might be useful. I have a Romulus, a Hilsen, a Soma 
Double Cross, and I used to have an Atlantis that I owned for ten years 
(1st ten Toyo). They are all great bikes, but I think that one's weight, 
their load, and the terrain and tires make a big difference in how the bike 
feels and the perceptions of stiffness. My Atlantis was an excellent bike, 
and I sold it due to size (I wanted to run larger tires on it and it was 
too large once I put bigger tires on it). For lightly loaded riding, I 
prefer the Romulus and Soma, which feel very pleasant with vigorous efforts 
on hills, an important quality to me. I believe off road and/or with 
greater loads, the bikes may feel differently, but I am still testing out 
the Hilsen further. I do have the Hilsen for sale, because I need a bike 
more like the Romulus but with tire clearances similar to the old Atlantis. 
That is a hard niche to fill, because it seems most bikes that clear a 
45-50 tend to be built up more stiffly relative to the Romulus. I really 
believe that our personal attributes are just as important as the bike's 
construction; people often state "this bike is flexy/stiff" but I think 
it's probably more accurate to say "for my weight and riding choices, this 
bike is flexy/stiff". Dave in Carlsbad

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 6:31:55 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:

> Dan, I have been meaning to write a post about some long term riding 
> comparisons I have been making between a Toyo Homer and a Toyo Romulus. I 
> have more to say, but I will keep it simple for the moment - yes, there is 
> a difference. I have a 59 cm Romulus that rides differently, more flexy in 
> a good sense, than the 61 cm Homer.  I will add more later, but I believe 
> the Romulus is at my weight -175 pounds - a better ride for light loads and 
> fast rides, and the the Homer is a little more stiff, perhaps an advantage 
> with greater weight loads. I would wager the Sam will be more like the 
> Homer than the Romulus. If you have a 59 cm Romulus, I will buy it from 
> you. I have. side pull Romulus and would like a canti one as well.
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early Hillbornes 
>> with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of overall 
>> impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, etc, 
>> those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer wheelbase 
>> and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other is 
>> noticeably stiffer than the other?
>>
>> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
>> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
>> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>>
>> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>>
>> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne vs. Romulus?

[Dave C]

Dan, I have been meaning to write a post about some long term riding 
comparisons I have been making between a Toyo Homer and a Toyo Romulus. I 
have more to say, but I will keep it simple for the moment - yes, there is 
a difference. I have a 59 cm Romulus that rides differently, more flexy in 
a good sense, than the 61 cm Homer.  I will add more later, but I believe 
the Romulus is at my weight -175 pounds - a better ride for light loads and 
fast rides, and the the Homer is a little more stiff, perhaps an advantage 
with greater weight loads. I would wager the Sam will be more like the 
Homer than the Romulus. If you have a 59 cm Romulus, I will buy it from 
you. I have. side pull Romulus and would like a canti one as well.

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-8 Dan Sullivan wrote:

> Wondering what people who have experience with both the early Hillbornes 
> with cantis and the Romulus think about the two in terms of overall 
> impression -- is one "speedier" than the other, or is one stiffer, etc, 
> those kinds of things.  I get that the Hillborne is a tad longer wheelbase 
> and more tire clearance, but just wondering if one or the other is 
> noticeably stiffer than the other?
>
> Thanks, I have gotten the itch to change things up in my fleet (of two, 
> really not a fleet at all) and since test rides are out of the question 
> looking to the group for advice/opinion.
>
> thanks, Dan in the deep freeze of winter in Mount Horeb, WI
>
> ps. I have a canti-Rom, looking at a first-gen green Sam
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My new Oracle Ridge for your Barlow Pass or Steilacoom

[Dave C]

If someone wants to buy these from me, new except for a short ride, $160 
shipped for the pair to CONUS or $150 if you are local to San Diego area. 
best, Dave

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:

> I have a pair of new Oracle Ridges, mounted once and ridden around the 
> block. They were too big for the frame so I need to downsize. If you have a 
> pair of new Steilacoom or Barlow Pass, I would like to swap.
>
> Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad, CA
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[RBW] WTT: My new Oracle Ridge for your Barlow Pass or Steilacoom

[Dave C]

I have a pair of new Oracle Ridges, mounted once and ridden around the 
block. They were too big for the frame so I need to downsize. If you have a 
pair of new Steilacoom or Barlow Pass, I would like to swap.

Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

Price drop to $2300 complete minus saddle. I have swapped the rapid rise 
derailleur for a silver Shimano regular derailleur. Dave Carroll in 
Carlsbad, CA

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:

> I still have this for sale. It is terrific shape overall, excepting some 
> paint chipping on the seat tube/top tube lug at the pointy end. 
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:21:04 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:
>
>> $2450. I am willing to have REI ship it at buyers expense. I will keep my 
>> saddle.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OeefpS48u-wgLaOtDpuYc4HewVltFt1T
>>
>> I recently purchased a early model, Toyo-built A Homer Hilsen from the 
>> previous owner in Los Angeles.  My goal was to see if I would prefer the 
>> Homer compared to my Romulus enough to justify the expense. I have invested 
>> a few hundred dollars in new Dura Ace bar end shifters, a new XT cassette, 
>> new 35 mm Gravelking slicks, and longer cables and cable housing to be able 
>> to raise and lower the bars so I can find my desired height. 
>>
>> It is a very nice bike, but I realize once I put on larger tires I will 
>> not sufficient standover for my preference, and I can already go up to 38 
>> mm on my Romulus.
>>
>> I think the frameset is in very good condition, perhaps excellent. There 
>> a few minor paint chips on a chain stay, and some chipping on the pointed 
>> part of the seat tube / top tube lug pointing towards the saddle. I believe 
>> this is a great opportunity for someone who wants a Toyo Homer in a 61 cm 
>> to get one in terrific shape. It fits very much like my previous 61 cm 
>> Atlantis. It actually handles in a very similar manner and that makes it 
>> difficult to sell, but I want to get a fast drop bar mountain bike and a 
>> slightly smaller 650b rando bike more than I want to have an additional 
>> 700c country bike.
>>
>> If you want to purchase it without pedals, I would sell it for $2400.
>>
>> I have a 77 cm saddle height set up as pictured. I would suggest this as 
>> a minimum, and if you are a little taller than me you will probably be able 
>> to run 40+ mm tires with zero issues. Please message me directly if you 
>> have serious interest in this bike. 
>>
>> Regarding the rest of the parts -
>> Nitto Noodle
>> Technomic stem, 9 cm (I can swap for another length if you prefer, I have 
>> a 5, 8 and a 11 cm.
>> Dura Ace bar end shifters, new
>> Kickstand
>> Nitto seatpost
>> Velocity Dyad rims, XT hubs
>> XT Rapid Rise rear derailer
>> IRD Alpina front derailer
>>
>> If you want to buy without the wheelset, I will sell it for $2100.
>>
>> David Carroll
>> Carlsbad, CA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Toyo A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

I still have this for sale. It is terrific shape overall, excepting some 
paint chipping on the seat tube/top tube lug at the pointy end. 

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:21:04 PM UTC-8 Dave C wrote:

> $2450. I am willing to have REI ship it at buyers expense. I will keep my 
> saddle.
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OeefpS48u-wgLaOtDpuYc4HewVltFt1T
>
> I recently purchased a early model, Toyo-built A Homer Hilsen from the 
> previous owner in Los Angeles.  My goal was to see if I would prefer the 
> Homer compared to my Romulus enough to justify the expense. I have invested 
> a few hundred dollars in new Dura Ace bar end shifters, a new XT cassette, 
> new 35 mm Gravelking slicks, and longer cables and cable housing to be able 
> to raise and lower the bars so I can find my desired height. 
>
> It is a very nice bike, but I realize once I put on larger tires I will 
> not sufficient standover for my preference, and I can already go up to 38 
> mm on my Romulus.
>
> I think the frameset is in very good condition, perhaps excellent. There a 
> few minor paint chips on a chain stay, and some chipping on the pointed 
> part of the seat tube / top tube lug pointing towards the saddle. I believe 
> this is a great opportunity for someone who wants a Toyo Homer in a 61 cm 
> to get one in terrific shape. It fits very much like my previous 61 cm 
> Atlantis. It actually handles in a very similar manner and that makes it 
> difficult to sell, but I want to get a fast drop bar mountain bike and a 
> slightly smaller 650b rando bike more than I want to have an additional 
> 700c country bike.
>
> If you want to purchase it without pedals, I would sell it for $2400.
>
> I have a 77 cm saddle height set up as pictured. I would suggest this as a 
> minimum, and if you are a little taller than me you will probably be able 
> to run 40+ mm tires with zero issues. Please message me directly if you 
> have serious interest in this bike. 
>
> Regarding the rest of the parts -
> Nitto Noodle
> Technomic stem, 9 cm (I can swap for another length if you prefer, I have 
> a 5, 8 and a 11 cm.
> Dura Ace bar end shifters, new
> Kickstand
> Nitto seatpost
> Velocity Dyad rims, XT hubs
> XT Rapid Rise rear derailer
> IRD Alpina front derailer
>
> If you want to buy without the wheelset, I will sell it for $2100.
>
> David Carroll
> Carlsbad, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

I also posted a 61 cm Toyo Homer a couple weeks ago. PM’ed the OP. Best, 
Dave in Carlsbad

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 8:27:50 AM UTC-8 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long ago.  
> I don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find that 
> post, if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was 
> considering selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
>   
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a frame 
>> they're willing to part with?
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Few Thoughts About FS posts

[Dave C]

Thank you for the feedback and admin work.

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Hey there - 
>
> Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
>
> There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
> up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
> good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
> house. There are other websites which do that.
>
> I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the 
> review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
> before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all 
> end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" 
> style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've 
> cross-posted this into..." 
>
> For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share 
> images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 
>
> For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale 
> without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass 
> it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a 
> listing is not clear. 
>
> For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in 
> moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim / list admin
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 700c and 650b wheels, tubeless, dynamo, a few other things

[Dave C]

I would like to get a lightweight 700c rim brake wheel set for my Romulus. 
A dynamo front would be nice, but not absolutely necessary. I’m looking for 
silver high quality rims and hubs, like a Velocity Quill and 105 hubs (or 
dynamo hub). Will want to put up to a 38 mm.

Additionally, I would like to get a front dynamo 650b rim brake wheel with 
a silver light rim. Like the 700c wheels, this will be for unloaded fast 
rides, with 38-45 mm cushy tires.This would be for my wife’s AHH.

I’d like to buy something used but with lots of life, that is in good to 
excellent aesthetic condition. Maybe you have a project that you abandoned 
or changed wheel sizes.
Other items:
Good dynamo lights and mounts.
Canti Sam Hillborne 58-59 cm (for a 76.5-77 saddle height)
Also looking for lightly used banana bag, lightly used trunksack, Nitto 
mini rack that works with sidepulls, Nitto M151 bar or Albastache bar, 
Nitto R10 saddlebag support, front dynamo 29er wheel for disc brake Fargo, 
newish RH Barlow tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Dave C]

Where is the best place to buy a Quill wheelset?

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:39:16 PM UTC-7 Ryan Stanis wrote:

> FWIW, to second Aaron's suggestion, the Velocity Quill is an improvement 
> on the A23, as many have found the A23 too easy to dent/flat spot (myself 
> included).  It is a wider rim than the a23, enterprise, or pacenti brevet, 
> but any road caliper found on a riv shouldn't have issue with it's 
> width.  Maybe overkill if you're staying off rough roads and gravel, but 
> personally I'd rather spend the extra money for peace of mind.  As far as 
> Velocity hubs, some of them are rebranded Bitex, an industry standard in 
> prebuilt wheels. Unsure of their QR road models. 
>
> VO enterprise rim is NOT tubeless compatible if that is a current or 
> future concern. VO hubs are easily serviceable, and run for a good many 
> miles. I have been running a rear VO hub since 2017 in varying frequency of 
> use and have yet to replace bearings. If you're not trying to future proof 
> your wheelset, that $400ish price tag from VO is pretty sweet.
>
> Pacenti Brevets has recently shot up in price a good bit.  Nice looking 
> rim, tubeless compatible.  Seem to build up with relatively lower than 
> usual tension on the non drive side rear depending on what hub they're 
> paired with, and I have received at least one with a flat spot from the 
> factory.  But as the old adage goes, "sh*t happens". 
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> -Ryan 
> Keystone Bicycle Co.
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Dave C]

Thank you! Yes, tubeless compatible matters. I believe it is increasingly 
common to run 38 mm tires tubeless. I mainly have experience with tubeless 
in the 2"+ widths.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:39:16 PM UTC-7 Ryan Stanis wrote:

> FWIW, to second Aaron's suggestion, the Velocity Quill is an improvement 
> on the A23, as many have found the A23 too easy to dent/flat spot (myself 
> included).  It is a wider rim than the a23, enterprise, or pacenti brevet, 
> but any road caliper found on a riv shouldn't have issue with it's 
> width.  Maybe overkill if you're staying off rough roads and gravel, but 
> personally I'd rather spend the extra money for peace of mind.  As far as 
> Velocity hubs, some of them are rebranded Bitex, an industry standard in 
> prebuilt wheels. Unsure of their QR road models. 
>
> VO enterprise rim is NOT tubeless compatible if that is a current or 
> future concern. VO hubs are easily serviceable, and run for a good many 
> miles. I have been running a rear VO hub since 2017 in varying frequency of 
> use and have yet to replace bearings. If you're not trying to future proof 
> your wheelset, that $400ish price tag from VO is pretty sweet.
>
> Pacenti Brevets has recently shot up in price a good bit.  Nice looking 
> rim, tubeless compatible.  Seem to build up with relatively lower than 
> usual tension on the non drive side rear depending on what hub they're 
> paired with, and I have received at least one with a flat spot from the 
> factory.  But as the old adage goes, "sh*t happens". 
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> -Ryan 
> Keystone Bicycle Co.
> Philadelphia, PA
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Dave C]

That is a great suggestion. And you mentioned something else; I know some 
people have converted their Romulus to 650B, and I believed that involved a 
new pair of brakes and a new wheelset. I don't know how well their 
conversion went, in terms of tire clearance and bottom bracket height. 

Back to Velo Orange - are their rims and hubs as good as a Velocity A23 or 
Pacenti? I really wish I knew more about rim quality, but I don't.

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 11:14:25 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Assuming that a Romulus uses 700C; VO has a 20% off sale going on right 
> now so a pair of 100 x 130 hub, 32 spoke 700C wheels can be had for $404. 
> 884 g front 1042 g rear - not super light, but what do you expect for $404, 
> new, shipped? These use the VO hubs and VO Enterprise rims - 22mm wide good 
> for 38mm tires.  Up to 11 speed cassette. In stock as of now.
> I have had good luck with 1 set of VO wheels and several sets of VO rims 
> on wheels that I have built. Plus if you want polished silver rims and 
> hubs, there aren't a lot of choices. I like VO hubs as the round holes 
> remind me of the Campagnolo Tipo hubs of my youth.
> Pacenti would be another option, if they have anything in stock
> And of course Rivendell has some wheelsets available, but not for $404.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:46:56 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:
>
>> I don't follow discussions about wheelsets for rim brake road bikes 
>> today, so I do not know what I should use to replace my stock wheelset of 
>> my Romulus. I like to ride this bike light and fast, and I will definitely 
>> use tires between 30-38 mm. Is there a great lightweight wheelset that I 
>> should look for new or used? Maybe you have a set you'd like to sell? I 
>> know I don't want a "heavy duty" pair of wheels; I'm not a heavy person and 
>> I do not break spokes or break equipment. I am open to different rim 
>> materials, as long as it will last a while.
>>
>> Thanks for any feedback. I always value your opinions. Dave in Carlsbad
>>
>

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[RBW] ISO: New wheelset for Romulus

[Dave C]

I don't follow discussions about wheelsets for rim brake road bikes today, 
so I do not know what I should use to replace my stock wheelset of my 
Romulus. I like to ride this bike light and fast, and I will definitely use 
tires between 30-38 mm. Is there a great lightweight wheelset that I should 
look for new or used? Maybe you have a set you'd like to sell? I know I 
don't want a "heavy duty" pair of wheels; I'm not a heavy person and I do 
not break spokes or break equipment. I am open to different rim materials, 
as long as it will last a while.

Thanks for any feedback. I always value your opinions. Dave in Carlsbad

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 11 cm Technomic Deluxe or Tallux

[Dave C]

Sorry, I meant to say it needs to be 26.0 clamp diameter.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 8:20:43 AM UTC-7 Dave C wrote:

> Per subject, I need a 11 cm stem the tis either a Deluxe or Tallux. If you 
> have a gently used one I could buy, please let me know :) best, Dave Carroll

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto 11 cm Technomic Deluxe or Tallux

[Dave C]

Per subject, I need a 11 cm stem the tis either a Deluxe or Tallux. If you 
have a gently used one I could buy, please let me know :) best, Dave Carroll

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Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

Maybe somebody is ready to sell an older Homer and just needs a nudge. 

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:25:19 PM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:

> I have an older Homer (not sure if it is Waterford or Toyo but I'd like to 
> know actually) and having owned a Roadini I can say I find it a much 
> superior all around bike.  I hadn't considered a Sam since I have a Hunq 
> but I can do light touring and backpacking with my Homer if I desire.  I 
> rotate it in my commuter stable with the Hunq and I end up riding it quite 
> often.  I currently have it set up with Crust Towel bars (with a large Fabs 
> in the middle!), VO fenders, and 44s.  I have it maxed out, but it is such 
> a great ride.  I've thought about getting a stripped road bike but the 
> Homer is so versatile.  I think if I didn't have the Hunq, I'd be more 
> inclined to get a Sam.  But if you already have a hauler an older Homer is 
> the way to go.  I have a 63, which I am on the small side for with a 90 
> pbh, but it fits great and I love the ride.  My Hunq is a 58 and while I 
> can clear a 62 (I've ridden the 62 before) I love having the clearance that 
> a slightly smaller frame allows for the rough stuff.  
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:27:16 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> Just to be more confusing, I have a circa 2012 Homer, and I believe the 
>> even sizes are 650b and the odd sizes are 700c, so there was some overlap 
>> within some of the sizes.  I have a 54 cm AHH 650b, and I believe the 55 cm 
>> and 57 cm were 700c, while the 56 cm was 650b.  
>>
>> My Homer maxed out at 38 mm tires + fenders--I've used Parimoto, Lierre, 
>> GravelKing, and Soma Xpress, and all are good for me (depending upon the 
>> application, eg. commute vs fast ride).  My favorite tire size for 650b is 
>> 42 mm, and I believe the Sam H can ride those with fenders, so I might lean 
>> that direction if I had to choose.  
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

Rich, why did you sell the Homer and keep the Sam? Were you hauling more 
gear? Thanks 

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 9:48:47 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> Hello Dave:
>
> You note that you like to 'keep things light". Then go with the Homer. I 
> currently own a 2015 Hillborne and have owned a 2019 MIT Homer; both 51cm., 
> 650b 38mm. tires. Both bikes had identical setups and the Homer was 
> certainly lighter — not by a lot but clearly discernible and consequently 
> felt a little more lively to me. As others have indicated both handle 
> similarly and offer a comfortable ride for distances of 100 miles or more 
> in a day.
>
> In sum, you won't go wrong with either bike.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:48:19 PM UTC-4 Dave C wrote:
>
>> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
>> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
>> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
>> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
>> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
>> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
>> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

I ride a 61 cm or 58 cm Toyo Atlantis, a 59 or 61 cm Romulus, a 58 cm Soma 
road bike. I think I would be a 58 cm Homer or 55 cm Sam. Not really sure.

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 9:18:45 AM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> You might want to specify the size you may be looking for.  The Homer has 
> gone through some pretty big changes. See below.
> Bike Insights is your friend.  Compare candidates to a bike you have 
> ridden that you know fits you.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

First, the Bike on Bike drawing is super cool. Thanks for sharing. Second, 
has anyone spent time on an early model Homer AND a MIT 2018 or 2019 Homer? 
If so, I'd really like to know what you thought was different, particularly 
for long rides with maybe 10 pounds of food and supplies. I keep things 
light, which is why I always thought a Toyo Atlantis was a little too 
"stout" for longer road rides.

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:39:40 AM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> Ah, size.  The Sam is a 55, the Homer was a 51.  I have a PBH of 83 and 
> weigh 195.  I usually rode with what you see in the picture - a rear bag 
> for Allen wrenches and spare tube.
> For me the Sam is about two Cm too tall, hence my stepping down a size 
> with the Homer, which was about two Cm too short.  I’m apparently at the 
> ends of the size ranges, not the middle.
> But I also wanted to try the “longer chainstays” and the 650b wheel set-up 
> and a number of other things.  In spite of the size, the bikes were almost 
> exactly the same wheelbase.
> Neither bike felt loose.  They were both good solid rides.  The biggest 
> difference in feel, other than what I credit to flex, was the Hollowtech II 
> front drive on the Homer - it seems noticeably stiffer to me than the 
> square taper on the Sam, in a good way.
>
> I sold on the Homer frame because it would have been the only bike in my 
> stable that was 650b, and I wasn’t overwhelmed with the ride compared to 
> the Sam.
> The other bike in my stable is now a Soma Saga Disk - back to 700c and a 
> little stiffer feel.
>
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[RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

What size were each frame? And how much do you weigh, and did you carry a 
lot of gear or minimal gear? Thanks for your input. I have an opportunity 
to buy either one of the exact models you’re discussing, and I’d consider 
the 2018/2019 Hilsen if I thought it was genuinely lighter duty than the 
Sam. 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:14:26 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> I got a Sam Hillborne in April 2015 (2014 frame, RBW built up and shipped 
> in March 2015). 455mm chainstays.
> I got an A. Homer Hilsen frame in 2019, and built it up myself with Deore 
> 590/591 drive and tektro brakes.  475mm chainstays
>
> I love the Sam.  It is my favorite bike of all time (OF ALL TME!).
> I did not love the Homer.  It just felt “too flexy”.  I purchased it 
> thinking it might be a better “light tourer” than the Sam, but it was too 
> light and too flexible for me.
> Ben used the term “burlier” for the Sam, and I absolutely agree.
>
> They both had almost identical steering sensitivity - not too twitchy and 
> not too stable.  I used 42mm tires for the Sam (700c) and 40mm tires  for 
> the Homer (650b).  At 55 psi I didn’t really feel a noticeable difference 
> due to tires.  Riding was on paved and cinder trails - not fist sized rocks.
>
> But like I say, the Homer just felt too “flexy” for me.  
> The Sam also just seems to me to handle a typical dirt road more 
> comfortably.
>
> BTW - they were set up almost identically.  Same saddle, same Albatross 
> bars… 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Dave C]

Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 58 cm Toyo Atlantis

[Dave C]

I appreciate the help. I should have said I want a single top tube, 
Toyo-built, shorter chainstayed version of the Atlantis. I had a 2004 and 
the single top tube 58 is what I am interested in. 

On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 9:02:26 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here are two 59s:
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/santa-fe-59cm-rivendell-atlantis/7518558404.html
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59-less/7515767824.html
>
>
> And a 56 Toyo:
>
> https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/bik/d/tomahawk-56cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7506043832.html
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>
> Had a 61 cm, it was a little big for me. I am looking for a good condition 
> 58 cm Toyo Atlantis. Let me know in a direct reply if you are interested in 
> selling. Thanks, Dave 
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[RBW] WTB: 58 cm Toyo Atlantis

[Dave C]

Had a 61 cm, it was a little big for me. I am looking for a good condition 
58 cm Toyo Atlantis. Let me know in a direct reply if you are interested in 
selling. Thanks, Dave

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[Dave C]

100 km for Steph and I. 50 km for my folks. Steph is has Nanoraptor 2" set 
up tubeless, so she is perfect. I don't want sore hands, so I will go 
fatter than 40 probably. I had to log in as Steph to get her registration 
completed; you can't register a secondary member of your account at the 
same time you register yourself, so I had to use another browser and log in 
her account.

I will definitely, absolutely, with-a-doubt either put sealant in my tubes 
or use tubeless wheels. After the multiple flats we got last time, no more! 
 :). Despite the good rain we've been getting, I would discourage anyone 
from taking a chance without sealant or slime.

I texted you this morning, I wonder if your number may have changed...
best, Dave

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 9:13:34 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Dave, glad you can come down! And making it a family affair! Hope the reg. 
> process went okay... I heard from Carroll that it continues to be a hassle 
> :-( Sorry... we will be changing it to Eventbrite or something else next 
> year!
>
> I'd say go w/ something like a 2" Nanoraptor... the original! But yeah, 
> people ride it on 25mm slicks, and 3" puffins. I'd avoid a tire with 
> aggressive knobs. Fattest tire that rolls fast on the road is best. That's 
> why I said Nanoraptor. The Nano40 is great as well, you'll just have sorer 
> hands at the end!
>
> Doing the 100k or the 30 miler? Or the 90
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Dave C <david.char...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> So who is definitely going? Last time I had a chance to meet Doug but 
>> that was it. My wife and parents will be with me.We'll be most likely on 
>> Fargos. Last year my wife rode it on a Romulus with 35 mm Paselas and I 
>> used my Double Cross with the Gran Bois Cypres. We were absolutely 
>> underbiking and will be on bigger tires for sure. I've been debating 
>> between 40 mm Nanos and the 2.25" MTB tires. There was more soft sandy 
>> sections and bumpy trails than I anticipated in 2016, so I'll be 
>> prioritizing comfort.
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>>
>>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>>
>>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>>
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>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[Dave C]

So who is definitely going? Last time I had a chance to meet Doug but that 
was it. My wife and parents will be with me.We'll be most likely on Fargos. 
Last year my wife rode it on a Romulus with 35 mm Paselas and I used my 
Double Cross with the Gran Bois Cypres. We were absolutely underbiking and 
will be on bigger tires for sure. I've been debating between 40 mm Nanos 
and the 2.25" MTB tires. There was more soft sandy sections and bumpy 
trails than I anticipated in 2016, so I'll be prioritizing comfort.

On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: When did Waterford start building the Atlantis?

[Dave C]

Matt,

Well, since we are talking about (I assume) the bike you are buying from 
me, I could clear this up. The frame is stamped AT0626, so it is the 626th 
Atlantis. It was a Toyo-built Atlantis I purchased in 2004, when Rivendell 
was having the Toyo factory build their Rams, Atlanti, and Gloriuses. The 
switch to Waterford for the Atlantis came years later when currency changes 
made Japanese production too expensive, according to Rivendell's 
communications.

>From what I understand, the Toyo-built frames are built with magical 
properties that make them better, much better, than the Waterford ones, 
mainly due to the fact that the one I am selling is made by Toyo.
best,
Dave
(tongue firmly in cheek, in case any hot-headed RBW listers are reading 
this)

p.s. The frame set plus cockpit and other parts is boxed and ready to ship



On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 5:41:53 AM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I don't want to start a fight over which is better, but when did Waterford 
> start building the Atlantis?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
> Oswego, IL
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Atlantis on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Dave C]

The size is fine if you are going with road tires, but if you want the 
biggest tires it can fit I believe it would be tight. Standover was usually 
calculated with 35 mm tires. IMO, road riding will be fine, bumpy dirt 
roads with fat tires not so much.

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 11:17:18 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> considering 5'10ish with a 85pbh. is this too big? its right down the 
> street from my old house. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis complete

[Dave C]

I would like to sell this Atlantis soon, and the price is reduced to $1800. 
I will box/ship if you cover those costs.

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:04:17 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> I have placed this up twice for sale, only to back away because I always 
> came up with a reason to not complete the deed. If you are interested, rest 
> assured, I have already committed myself to another bike and will not 
> change my mind. Someday, I will probably buy another one in a 58 cm size, 
> which is better for my intended use (off-road touring). The 61 cm is fine 
> for road, but once I put on fatter tires, I do not have the necessary 
> clearance for comfort on rutted roads. 
>
> Click on this link 
> <https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcZnFVU1BIZVRaT2c=sharing>
>  
> to see a folder of pictures (some of them are taken prior to the rebuild, 
> so they have the old bar tape)
> 61 cm Rivendell Atlantis (2004-era), $1900 without the saddle
> Peter White-built wheels, Mavic 719/Deore hubs
> Sugino XD crankset, triple, new out/middle ring (inner is not used much)
> Nitto Noodle bar, 46 cm
> Shimano 600 headset
> New chain/new cassette (12-34)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru seat post
> Shimano cantilever brakes
> Panaracer Pasela 35 mm, tires, lots of life left (I have some Avocet 
> FasGrips on it right now in the pics since I put the Paselas on my wife's 
> Romulus a couple weeks ago, I will be putting them back on) OR I can put on 
> some Serfas 2.1" knobby tires I use for the dirt roads we have around here)
> MKS RMX/Sneaker pedals
>
>
> The Atlantis frameset costs $2300 new, and you can buy a complete one for 
> about $3000-$4000. I am selling this decade-old Atlantis for $1900 without 
> the saddle. I recently had the bike completely rebuilt, with a new bottom 
> bracket, new outer/middle chainrings, new cassette, new chain, new cable 
> and housing, new KoolStop salmon pads, newly overhauled headset and hubs, 
> and new bar tape.
>
> Mine has been used and loved, and has some scratches (no dents). There are 
> some scratches from chainsuck on the drive side chain stay. I use the 
> Atlantis to pull a trailer, so I have some black electric tape on the 
> non-drive side stays to protect the paint when I clamp the trailer hitch on 
> the bike.
>
> I will include a full bottle of the appropriate Testor's hobby paint when 
> I ship the bike so you can touch up whatever you like. During the next few 
> days, I will be cleaning and polishing up the bike, so if I have time I'll 
> remove the cranks and do it myself, but I can't make any promises. When I 
> get home from work, my wife wants a break from kid duty, not watching me 
> doing another bike project :)
>
> Be sure to refer to Rivendell's sizing charts to see if this will fit you. 
> I am 5'11", with a PBH of about 87-88 cm. That's in the lowest range of fit 
> for this bike, and if you plan on running bigger tires you should have a 
> PBH of about 88 or more.
>
> If you buy this and want it shipped, I will have it professionally packed 
> for $45 and shipped for the least expensive option we can find (packing and 
> shipping at your cost). If you want to pick it up, I live in Southern 
> California and work out a meet-up, although you are welcome to visit our 
> beautiful town of Wrightwood in the eastern San Gabriels.
>
> One other note: if you have wanted an Atlantis but in a different color, 
> this would be a perfect opportunity because you could get this one much 
> cheaper than a new one, and pay for your favorite paint job and still come 
> out WAY ahead money-wise. At least, that's what I would do in a similar 
> situation.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm Atlantis complete

[Dave C]

Updated pictures 
<https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcb0Nnc0w2a0RXS0E=sharing>

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 7:04:17 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> I have placed this up twice for sale, only to back away because I always 
> came up with a reason to not complete the deed. If you are interested, rest 
> assured, I have already committed myself to another bike and will not 
> change my mind. Someday, I will probably buy another one in a 58 cm size, 
> which is better for my intended use (off-road touring). The 61 cm is fine 
> for road, but once I put on fatter tires, I do not have the necessary 
> clearance for comfort on rutted roads. 
>
> Click on this link 
> <https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcZnFVU1BIZVRaT2c=sharing>
>  
> to see a folder of pictures (some of them are taken prior to the rebuild, 
> so they have the old bar tape)
> 61 cm Rivendell Atlantis (2004-era), $1900 without the saddle
> Peter White-built wheels, Mavic 719/Deore hubs
> Sugino XD crankset, triple, new out/middle ring (inner is not used much)
> Nitto Noodle bar, 46 cm
> Shimano 600 headset
> New chain/new cassette (12-34)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru seat post
> Shimano cantilever brakes
> Panaracer Pasela 35 mm, tires, lots of life left (I have some Avocet 
> FasGrips on it right now in the pics since I put the Paselas on my wife's 
> Romulus a couple weeks ago, I will be putting them back on) OR I can put on 
> some Serfas 2.1" knobby tires I use for the dirt roads we have around here)
> MKS RMX/Sneaker pedals
>
>
> The Atlantis frameset costs $2300 new, and you can buy a complete one for 
> about $3000-$4000. I am selling this decade-old Atlantis for $1900 without 
> the saddle. I recently had the bike completely rebuilt, with a new bottom 
> bracket, new outer/middle chainrings, new cassette, new chain, new cable 
> and housing, new KoolStop salmon pads, newly overhauled headset and hubs, 
> and new bar tape.
>
> Mine has been used and loved, and has some scratches (no dents). There are 
> some scratches from chainsuck on the drive side chain stay. I use the 
> Atlantis to pull a trailer, so I have some black electric tape on the 
> non-drive side stays to protect the paint when I clamp the trailer hitch on 
> the bike.
>
> I will include a full bottle of the appropriate Testor's hobby paint when 
> I ship the bike so you can touch up whatever you like. During the next few 
> days, I will be cleaning and polishing up the bike, so if I have time I'll 
> remove the cranks and do it myself, but I can't make any promises. When I 
> get home from work, my wife wants a break from kid duty, not watching me 
> doing another bike project :)
>
> Be sure to refer to Rivendell's sizing charts to see if this will fit you. 
> I am 5'11", with a PBH of about 87-88 cm. That's in the lowest range of fit 
> for this bike, and if you plan on running bigger tires you should have a 
> PBH of about 88 or more.
>
> If you buy this and want it shipped, I will have it professionally packed 
> for $45 and shipped for the least expensive option we can find (packing and 
> shipping at your cost). If you want to pick it up, I live in Southern 
> California and work out a meet-up, although you are welcome to visit our 
> beautiful town of Wrightwood in the eastern San Gabriels.
>
> One other note: if you have wanted an Atlantis but in a different color, 
> this would be a perfect opportunity because you could get this one much 
> cheaper than a new one, and pay for your favorite paint job and still come 
> out WAY ahead money-wise. At least, that's what I would do in a similar 
> situation.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Dave C]

Sold. A list member has purchased both the bike and the bag, and the bike 
will soon be shipped to Colorado. My family may have also gained another 
contact and friend in the Rivendell network.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20:58 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> 56 cm Rivendell Glorius Mixte (periwinkle) for sale. Pictures will be 
> forthcoming Wednesday.
>
> My wife is selling her Glorius, purchased new in 2005. She used it 
> infrequently over the years since she primarily rides her Romulus and 29er 
> mountain bike. She would like to get a cross bike for events and some 
> races, so has decided to part with this beloved bike. She has been flirting 
> with the idea of selling it for a year, but every time she cleans it up she 
> once again falls in love with its design and beauty. Grant truly hit a home 
> run with this bike. We recently replaced the rear cassette and chain, and I 
> put on new skinwall Gran Bois Cypres tires. Those were the first tires 
> replacements the bike has received after the original Panaracer Col de la 
> Vie tires (which should tell you how little use the bike has seen over the 
> years). It was always garaged. While pictures show the Brooks B67 and Nitto 
> pedals, we are keeping those.
>
> There are some paint chips on the rear seatstays, and minor blemishes (one 
> on the head tube, one of the stickers has a light scratch on it). I took a 
> picture of the chipped areas on the stay.
>
> We are asking $2000. If you are interested, for $80 more we will include 
> both the black Blackburn rack (nothing fancy, but light and solid) and the 
> Rivendell Adam bag (US-made, part of the original series of saddlebags 
> Rivendell/Grant designed a little more than a decade ago. The bag is in 
> good condition, and the only blemish is a tire mark under the bag that you 
> obviously do not see unless you turn it upside down. It has an actual 
> branch instead of a dowel inside the bag, evidence of the whimsical nature 
> of the designer.
>
> This is a Toyo-made frame, and apparently required much more expense to 
> fabricate than most of the other frames. The current Riv mixtes, the 
> Cheviot, are made in Taiwan. I don't know if Waterford is making any mixtes 
> for Rivendell.
>
> Pictures
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing
>
> Glorius Build information
> This bike was assembled by Rivendell in 2005. 
> Cockpit
> Aluminum Albatross bars
> Cork grips
> Cotton tape, shellacked (needs a new coat), twined at ends
> Silver barend shifters
> Diatech DP 9 Pro brake levers
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 
> Shimano 600 headset
>
> Wheelset 
> Built by Rich of Hands on Wheels
> Velocity Synergy rims
> rear Deore LX silver hub
> Shimano Nexus DH3N71 front hub
> Gran Bois Hetre tires (new)
> Schwalbe 650b tubes, new
>
> Nitto "Frog" seatpost
>
> Drivetrain
> Deore LX rear derailleur
> 105 front derailleur
> New SRAM cassette
> Sugino XD triple crankset
>
> Greenfield Kickstand
> B Lumotec dynamo light
> Dia-Compe Centerpulls
>
> Optional purchase information
> Baggins Bag - Adam
> 18.1 L
> Total cubic inches - 1103 (including pockets)
>
> Again, here are the pics:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing
>
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[RBW] FS: used Baggins Banana Bag

[Dave C]

This has obviously been well-used. Before I send it off to whoever buys it, 
I will apply a fresh coat of Kiwi CampDry water repellant if you like. 
There is one section of the drive-side of the bag where the leather is worn 
(pictured). Should last for two more decades. $25 plus shipping.


 

 

 






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[RBW] FS: 61 cm Atlantis complete

[Dave C]

I have placed this up twice for sale, only to back away because I always 
came up with a reason to not complete the deed. If you are interested, rest 
assured, I have already committed myself to another bike and will not 
change my mind. Someday, I will probably buy another one in a 58 cm size, 
which is better for my intended use (off-road touring). The 61 cm is fine 
for road, but once I put on fatter tires, I do not have the necessary 
clearance for comfort on rutted roads. 

Click on this link 

 
to see a folder of pictures (some of them are taken prior to the rebuild, 
so they have the old bar tape)
61 cm Rivendell Atlantis (2004-era), $1900 without the saddle
Peter White-built wheels, Mavic 719/Deore hubs
Sugino XD crankset, triple, new out/middle ring (inner is not used much)
Nitto Noodle bar, 46 cm
Shimano 600 headset
New chain/new cassette (12-34)
Velo Orange Grand Cru seat post
Shimano cantilever brakes
Panaracer Pasela 35 mm, tires, lots of life left (I have some Avocet 
FasGrips on it right now in the pics since I put the Paselas on my wife's 
Romulus a couple weeks ago, I will be putting them back on) OR I can put on 
some Serfas 2.1" knobby tires I use for the dirt roads we have around here)
MKS RMX/Sneaker pedals


The Atlantis frameset costs $2300 new, and you can buy a complete one for 
about $3000-$4000. I am selling this decade-old Atlantis for $1900 without 
the saddle. I recently had the bike completely rebuilt, with a new bottom 
bracket, new outer/middle chainrings, new cassette, new chain, new cable 
and housing, new KoolStop salmon pads, newly overhauled headset and hubs, 
and new bar tape.

Mine has been used and loved, and has some scratches (no dents). There are 
some scratches from chainsuck on the drive side chain stay. I use the 
Atlantis to pull a trailer, so I have some black electric tape on the 
non-drive side stays to protect the paint when I clamp the trailer hitch on 
the bike.

I will include a full bottle of the appropriate Testor's hobby paint when I 
ship the bike so you can touch up whatever you like. During the next few 
days, I will be cleaning and polishing up the bike, so if I have time I'll 
remove the cranks and do it myself, but I can't make any promises. When I 
get home from work, my wife wants a break from kid duty, not watching me 
doing another bike project :)

Be sure to refer to Rivendell's sizing charts to see if this will fit you. 
I am 5'11", with a PBH of about 87-88 cm. That's in the lowest range of fit 
for this bike, and if you plan on running bigger tires you should have a 
PBH of about 88 or more.

If you buy this and want it shipped, I will have it professionally packed 
for $45 and shipped for the least expensive option we can find (packing and 
shipping at your cost). If you want to pick it up, I live in Southern 
California and work out a meet-up, although you are welcome to visit our 
beautiful town of Wrightwood in the eastern San Gabriels.

One other note: if you have wanted an Atlantis but in a different color, 
this would be a perfect opportunity because you could get this one much 
cheaper than a new one, and pay for your favorite paint job and still come 
out WAY ahead money-wise. At least, that's what I would do in a similar 
situation.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Dave C]

I forgot to mention. If you want it shipped, that's fine, I will have it 
professionally packed and shipped (at your cost, of course). I live in 
Southern California, so a meet-up is possible for local purchase.

best,
Dave

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20:58 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> 56 cm Rivendell Glorius Mixte (periwinkle) for sale. Pictures will be 
> forthcoming Wednesday.
>
> My wife is selling her Glorius, purchased new in 2005. She used it 
> infrequently over the years since she primarily rides her Romulus and 29er 
> mountain bike. She would like to get a cross bike for events and some 
> races, so has decided to part with this beloved bike. She has been flirting 
> with the idea of selling it for a year, but every time she cleans it up she 
> once again falls in love with its design and beauty. Grant truly hit a home 
> run with this bike. We recently replaced the rear cassette and chain, and I 
> put on new skinwall Gran Bois Cypres tires. Those were the first tires 
> replacements the bike has received after the original Panaracer Col de la 
> Vie tires (which should tell you how little use the bike has seen over the 
> years). It was always garaged. While pictures show the Brooks B67 and Nitto 
> pedals, we are keeping those.
>
> There are some paint chips on the rear seatstays, and minor blemishes (one 
> on the head tube, one of the stickers has a light scratch on it). I took a 
> picture of the chipped areas on the stay.
>
> We are asking $2000. If you are interested, for $80 more we will include 
> both the black Blackburn rack (nothing fancy, but light and solid) and the 
> Rivendell Adam bag (US-made, part of the original series of saddlebags 
> Rivendell/Grant designed a little more than a decade ago. The bag is in 
> good condition, and the only blemish is a tire mark under the bag that you 
> obviously do not see unless you turn it upside down. It has an actual 
> branch instead of a dowel inside the bag, evidence of the whimsical nature 
> of the designer.
>
> This is a Toyo-made frame, and apparently required much more expense to 
> fabricate than most of the other frames. The current Riv mixtes, the 
> Cheviot, are made in Taiwan. I don't know if Waterford is making any mixtes 
> for Rivendell.
>
> Pictures
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing
>
> Glorius Build information
> This bike was assembled by Rivendell in 2005. 
> Cockpit
> Aluminum Albatross bars
> Cork grips
> Cotton tape, shellacked (needs a new coat), twined at ends
> Silver barend shifters
> Diatech DP 9 Pro brake levers
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 
> Shimano 600 headset
>
> Wheelset 
> Built by Rich of Hands on Wheels
> Velocity Synergy rims
> rear Deore LX silver hub
> Shimano Nexus DH3N71 front hub
> Gran Bois Hetre tires (new)
> Schwalbe 650b tubes, new
>
> Nitto "Frog" seatpost
>
> Drivetrain
> Deore LX rear derailleur
> 105 front derailleur
> New SRAM cassette
> Sugino XD triple crankset
>
> Greenfield Kickstand
> B Lumotec dynamo light
> Dia-Compe Centerpulls
>
> Optional purchase information
> Baggins Bag - Adam
> 18.1 L
> Total cubic inches - 1103 (including pockets)
>
> Again, here are the pics:
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing
>
>

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[RBW] FS: 56 cm Glorius, periwinkle

[Dave C]

56 cm Rivendell Glorius Mixte (periwinkle) for sale. Pictures will be 
forthcoming Wednesday.

My wife is selling her Glorius, purchased new in 2005. She used it 
infrequently over the years since she primarily rides her Romulus and 29er 
mountain bike. She would like to get a cross bike for events and some 
races, so has decided to part with this beloved bike. She has been flirting 
with the idea of selling it for a year, but every time she cleans it up she 
once again falls in love with its design and beauty. Grant truly hit a home 
run with this bike. We recently replaced the rear cassette and chain, and I 
put on new skinwall Gran Bois Cypres tires. Those were the first tires 
replacements the bike has received after the original Panaracer Col de la 
Vie tires (which should tell you how little use the bike has seen over the 
years). It was always garaged. While pictures show the Brooks B67 and Nitto 
pedals, we are keeping those.

There are some paint chips on the rear seatstays, and minor blemishes (one 
on the head tube, one of the stickers has a light scratch on it). I took a 
picture of the chipped areas on the stay.

We are asking $2000. If you are interested, for $80 more we will include 
both the black Blackburn rack (nothing fancy, but light and solid) and the 
Rivendell Adam bag (US-made, part of the original series of saddlebags 
Rivendell/Grant designed a little more than a decade ago. The bag is in 
good condition, and the only blemish is a tire mark under the bag that you 
obviously do not see unless you turn it upside down. It has an actual 
branch instead of a dowel inside the bag, evidence of the whimsical nature 
of the designer.

This is a Toyo-made frame, and apparently required much more expense to 
fabricate than most of the other frames. The current Riv mixtes, the 
Cheviot, are made in Taiwan. I don't know if Waterford is making any mixtes 
for Rivendell.

Pictures
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing

Glorius Build information
This bike was assembled by Rivendell in 2005. 
Cockpit
Aluminum Albatross bars
Cork grips
Cotton tape, shellacked (needs a new coat), twined at ends
Silver barend shifters
Diatech DP 9 Pro brake levers
Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 
Shimano 600 headset

Wheelset 
Built by Rich of Hands on Wheels
Velocity Synergy rims
rear Deore LX silver hub
Shimano Nexus DH3N71 front hub
Gran Bois Hetre tires (new)
Schwalbe 650b tubes, new

Nitto "Frog" seatpost

Drivetrain
Deore LX rear derailleur
105 front derailleur
New SRAM cassette
Sugino XD triple crankset

Greenfield Kickstand
B Lumotec dynamo light
Dia-Compe Centerpulls

Optional purchase information
Baggins Bag - Adam
18.1 L
Total cubic inches - 1103 (including pockets)

Again, here are the pics:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B_r8BT8U0AKcQUpRcnczMkJWRG8=sharing

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Dave C]

Haha. That was funny. I let my dad use my 29er for the rest of the ride 
after I found them, and I think he really liked it. Boy, there was a lot of 
new rock debris!

Just wait until I take them on their first singletrack ride with an exposed 
drop-off on one side. They will love that!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
> adventure & a great day.  
>
> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>
> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
> to figure that one out.  
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>> quickly.  
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
>>> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
>>> a major Wrightwood contingency.  
>>> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
>>> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  
>>>
>>> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
>>> commitment to ride if I did?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

 A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Dave C]

Based on the comments from Dave and Mike, I think I will put 35 mm cross 
knobbies on her Romulus and have her test them out.

I have a WTB Cross Boss that should fit its clearances.




On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 7:32:27 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> David, sorry to not have replied to you sooner... life happens sometimes.
>
> I'm ecstatic you and your wife can make it! It's practically in your back 
> yard, right! The 100km is the signature event, so it's the one to shoot for 
> in my opinion! 
>
> You brought up two related question. The first is about your tires. The 
> Nano/Knard combo will be fine. Anything more than 40mm is unnecessary. 
> As the second question is about bikes/tires, I'll add that like Mike 
> mentioned, some light knobbie tread will be really appreciated. So 
> whichever bike she brings I think she'll be happier with the tire that has 
> some knobs. That and whichever frame she will be most comfortable on for 
> six+ hours. Oh, and gearing for hills. 
>
> I don't think goatheads are going to be a big problem. I've been 
> pre-riding with my my road bike on Challenge Eroicas, which are pretty thin 
> rubber. No problems. So don't choose a tire just for puncture resistance. 
> Pick the tire for the terrain: 30 miles of roads, and 30 miles of hardpack. 
> A few short sand sections. As insurance, taking out the valve core and 
> putting a couple ounces of Stans wouldn't hurt at all. I'd do that before 
> tire liners. In fact, that is what I do!
>
> So don't know if that helped clear things up for you. I hope some. 
> Anything else, definitely let me know!
>
> Was out in the hills today, and it's beautiful!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:34 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders 
> (SCAR)  wrote:
>
>> I rode it two years ago on Hetres.  They were very fast but less stable 
>> in the singletrack sections and my background is MTB racing. This time I'm 
>> going to run a low knobbed tire like the Panaracer 40mm Gravelking.I 
>> think your wife would better off on the Romulus with some 36-38mm low knob 
>> tires than the Glorius.  
>>
>> I'll be riding the 100km course as well.
>>
>> ~mike
>> Carlsbad Ca
>>
>> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:42:08 PM UTC-8, David Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>> David, everybody,
>>>
>>> Just registered my wife and I for the 100km. We thought about the 
>>> English century, but we have to arrange babysitting and bring the kids down 
>>> to Redlands. A hundred miler might take too much time. Probably my mom (KC) 
>>> and dad will participate in the half-metric event.
>>>
>>> I've never been on the course, but it seems these trails around there 
>>> are a bit smoother than our fire roads, which are rutted, rocky things that 
>>> most people tackle with 29ers, Jeeps, and lifted trucks. Would a 41 mm 
>>> Knard / 40 mm Nano combo on my Soma Double Cross be fine? Not overkill, I 
>>> hope. My wife has to decide between her Glorius, Romulus, or 29er. She has 
>>> Hetres on the Glorius, and if she takes it I thought we might want to put 
>>> in tire liners. I don't get a ton of thorns here in the San Gabriels, but I 
>>> hear goat heads are more common around Redlands.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated. We like to ride fast and light 
>>> when possible, but I'm not looking to get any "under-biking awards"  :)
>>>
>>> Dave in Wrightwood
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:22 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:


 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

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[RBW] Re: Route Suggestions: LA to Joshua Tree

[Dave C]

Here is a Google Earth snapshot of the area

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H6cmd5ZVYKs/VsKRRiCAoGI/BZA/zINbWj_-BDw/s1600/Baldy%2BRd%2BGoogle%2BEarth%2B2.jpg>


On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 6:42:49 PM UTC-8, Dave C wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> I don't know how you may have since modified your route, but I took some 
> pictures of where your route enters into Lytle Creek. Baldy Rd descends 
> into this area and then you would take the fire roads to Swarthout Canyon.
>
> Parts of the roads are like rock gardens, others are hard packed dirt with 
> little rocks all around. 
>
> We rode from Lone Pine Canyon to this area today, and the climbs were a 
> taxing workout. If you believe you can make this route work out, let me 
> know - we can pick you two up and give you a place to shower and sleep for 
> the night, if you want.
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eU_K6UehFjM/VsKL6IZ-QuI/BYM/yJy0st0U2DI/s1600/20160215_111640.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LreBQpUwrao/VsKL9BtGfPI/BYQ/r7l6SKG2RZs/s1600/20160215_102513.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I_TV4hS8III/VsKMBHfb2oI/BYU/W2RtLM8CreQ/s1600/20160215_102518.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k0MhDqJHwm8/VsKMEUhz_xI/BYY/IW3rzPXToQc/s1600/20160215_100839.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r14uOrFOVY/VsKMIVPQq6I/BYc/X-DF0cNOcuE/s1600/20160215_100841.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uDEgLQUPgdE/VsKMLoI4XJI/BYg/c0_leW29Sko/s1600/20160215_094147.jpg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uYjXQWARPvs/VsKMSYjfGCI/BYk/3M3LwlWoh4w/s1600/20160215_100635.jpg>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 5:30:11 AM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Considering a multiday ride this Spring from LA to Joshua Tree. About 10 
>> days of riding to, and then around/through, Joshua Tree NP. 
>>
>> This is <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/12094064> one potential route 
>> plan, and I'm hoping for comments and suggestions. Feel free to steer me 
>> completely off this track if it seems I'm just headed for bad riding. 
>>
>> I live in VT and, though have lived in CA, my only experience with SoCal 
>> is life and work on the islands. Never spent much time on the mainland, and 
>> have never been into Angeles NF. 
>>
>> Thanks for your help folks. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Route Suggestions: LA to Joshua Tree

[Dave C]

Daniel,

I don't know how you may have since modified your route, but I took some 
pictures of where your route enters into Lytle Creek. Baldy Rd descends 
into this area and then you would take the fire roads to Swarthout Canyon.

Parts of the roads are like rock gardens, others are hard packed dirt with 
little rocks all around. 

We rode from Lone Pine Canyon to this area today, and the climbs were a 
taxing workout. If you believe you can make this route work out, let me 
know - we can pick you two up and give you a place to shower and sleep for 
the night, if you want.


















On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 5:30:11 AM UTC-8, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Considering a multiday ride this Spring from LA to Joshua Tree. About 10 
> days of riding to, and then around/through, Joshua Tree NP. 
>
> This is  one potential route 
> plan, and I'm hoping for comments and suggestions. Feel free to steer me 
> completely off this track if it seems I'm just headed for bad riding. 
>
> I live in VT and, though have lived in CA, my only experience with SoCal 
> is life and work on the islands. Never spent much time on the mainland, and 
> have never been into Angeles NF. 
>
> Thanks for your help folks. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Dave C]

David, everybody,

Just registered my wife and I for the 100km. We thought about the English 
century, but we have to arrange babysitting and bring the kids down to 
Redlands. A hundred miler might take too much time. Probably my mom (KC) 
and dad will participate in the half-metric event.

I've never been on the course, but it seems the trails around there are a 
bit smoother than our fire roads, which are rutted, rocky things that most 
people tackle with 29ers, Jeeps, and lifted trucks. Would a 41 mm Knard / 
40 mm Nano combo on my Soma Double Cross be fine? Not overkill, I hope. My 
wife has to decide between her Glorius, Romulus, or 29er. She has Hetres on 
the Glorius, and if she takes it I thought we might want to put in tire 
liners. I don't get a ton of thorns here in the San Gabriels, but I hear 
goat heads are more common around Redlands.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. We like to ride fast and light when 
possible, but I'm not looking to get any "under-biking awards"  :)

Dave in Wrightwood



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>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
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Re: [RBW] RE: FS 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Dave C]

Hugh,

Out of curiosity, what is your PBH? Have you ever ridden any of the other 
Atlantis frame sizes and compared them?

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:36:05 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Bump: Price drop $2200 Complete plus shipping.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Feb 9, 2016 11:01 AM, "Hugh Smitham"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey y'all,
>>
>> Figured I shoot you the link to the Radavists 
>>  
>> recent 
>> post of Ole Willy.
>>
>> Complete build $2400 obo plus shipping
>> Frame/Fork HS $1400 obo plus shipping
>>
>> PM me and we can chat.
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[RBW] Re: Best off road dynamo light?

[Dave C]

I intend on using both a battery and a dynamo light. Could anyone tell me 
if the B Lumotec IQ Premium Cyo T Senso Plus that Peter White sells would 
be ok for off-road biking in tandem with a battery light?

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 11:05:51 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've talked before about this, but I'd welcome further information to 
> answer the question below, which I've not specifically asked before.
>
> While the Supernova E3 Triple 2 (weird name!) I ordered remains on 
> backorder, I have time to consider more closely the best light for my *off 
> road* riding needs. The Supernova E3 Triple 2 was recommended to me as 
> the brightest possible dynamo light, and for that reason the best for off 
> road use. But looking again at PJW's beam patterns, I'm not sure that the 
> Edeluxe II might not be better.
>
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/headlights.asp
>
> The light would be used on dirt surfaces, which include (a) irrigation 
> ditch roads and doubletrack with tricky, deepish sand and (b) tightly 
> winding, narrow , root-filled and tree-obstructed ditch paths enclosed by 
> trees -- with nearby dropoffs into irrigation ditches. Some sections of 
> these narrow ditch paths are confined and tricky enough that I walk them 
> even in daylight.
>  
> Note that (1) I have very bad night vision and (2) find the Edeluxe I 
> augmented by a moderately bright battery light (MiNewt on 250 lumen Medium 
> or a cheaper AA light on High) sufficient for the ditch roads, but the 
> combo would not suffice to allow me to ride the narrow ditch trails with 
> confidence; I daresay that the E I + the MN on 350 lumen high might.
>
> My needs are, in order of importance:
>
> 1. Best illumination for the off road riding described above. I want a 
> light that *needs no augmentation with a second light.*
>
> 2. All-round durability and reliability; would prefer -- but don't insist 
> on -- metal instead of plastic.
>
> 3. Compatibility with other mfrs' dynohubs and tail lights.
>
> 4. Design and looks.
>
> 5. That it not blind oncoming traffic, particularly oncoming bicyclists 
> (not too worried about cars -- long ago I owned one of NR's first HID 
> systems).
>
> I know, you are probably thinking that this self-referential egoist needs 
> to think about other cyclists, but the fact is that I don't meet very many 
> oncoming cyclists when riding at night the bikes that this light is meant 
> for.
>
> Note: I will continue as always to bring a secondary, battery light, for 
> use at stoplights and for roadside stops, but again, I want my main dynamo 
> light bright enough when used alone.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burts and Snow

[Dave C]

On packed snow or thin powder, my 2.1" Nanos have been sufficient, with no 
loss of traction. In fact, the long ride I had a couple weeks ago on the 
Nanos had no slipping except on ice.

On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 10:05:56 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I switched back to my 2.1” Thunder Burts yesterday (returning after 3 
> miles to do so) from my Smart Sams because the TB’s are so smooth, the SS’s 
> so stiff my head hurt on the frozen rumble pack of a trail. 
>
> I know Mark R. prefers a knobbier tire, but at least in the conditions 
> I’ve ridden so far this winter (12” powder- full ranger of snow pack, 
> slush, loose flower pack, etc, sometimes on the same ride depending on sun 
> exposure), temps from 40’s to -10˚F, the TB’s have takes it all well. 
>
> I run them at 20 psi. Of course YMMV. Grin. The important thing is being 
> stupid enough to get out there. I’ve got that covered! Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do you consider the ideal tire width for dirt riding?

[Dave C]

Oooh. That's a cool bike. That would be a cool bikepacking machine.

Honestly, though, I use the 2.1" Nanos on my mountain bike and they are 
fine for almost 85% of my riding. I went for a 3 hour ride a week ago in 
the snow, slush, and fire roads of my area, and they did fine. 3" seems (to 
someone who has not had a 29+ or 650b+ bike) unnecessary for MOST 
conditions. On the other hand, if I rode more in the High Desert, where the 
roads are an awful mix of washboard, supersandy sections, and rutted 
wreckage, I might feel different.

35 mm seems to suffice for anything that is packed, relatively free of 
rocks, and uniform. Once there are ruts, depressions, and a mix of packed 
and soft dirt, I think a 40-60 mm is better.

I pay a lot of attention to what types of conditions call for which tires, 
and sometimes I choose the wrong bike for a particular ride. Where I live 
in the eastern San Gabriels, there is a tremendous variety of road and 
offroad conditions. There is a section of potted rocky debris-strewn fire 
road on one of the lower top ridges of the mountain I live on that is, 
despite being a "road", is far scarier on skinnier tires when descending 
than the true offroad trails nearby. If I ride it with anything like a 35 
mm, it frankly sucks since I have to keep very slow. Heck, it is rough on a 
29er hardtail with 2" tires.

These distinctions matter less if you subscribe to a "bigger is better" 
philosophy that seems more popular among the Riv crowd, many of whom appear 
to be running 45-50 mm tires for just general riding, but I like to go fast 
on the roads, and that does seem to be more difficult when running fatter 
tires.

On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 1:12:52 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> A lot of buzz for the Pine Mtn... less than $1K for a B+ bike that's 
> decently put together isn't half bad.
> www.marinbikes.com/us/bikes/description/2016-pine-mountain-1
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Mike Shaljian  > wrote:
>
>> Can confirm, the 3" tires are amazing for off-road riding! I have the 
>> Bontrager 'Chupacabra' and they're fantastic for everything, from 
>> washboarded gravel to decently technical mountain biking (the bike is 
>> great, I'm OK ;)  Riding the 3" tires on severely washboarded gravel in the 
>> summer feels like cheating. The versatility and surprisingly low rolling 
>> resistance of the plus tires is really something else. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 5:11:18 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>>>
>>> I am with Mike (and his Jones Plus). Off road tire size for me this year 
>>> has been 3 inch. For on-road or light dirt I went with performance tires, 
>>> the 2.3" Super Motos.  
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3
>>>
>>> Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and yes I will 
>>> ride to work Sunday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One": 
 http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html

 I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are 
 pretty great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of 
 these with the Snakeskin Sidewall I'm going to switch, as it's 150g per 
 tire of weight savings and tubeless setup is supposed to be much easier 
 with SnakeSkin tires from Schwalbe. They also claim it's the lowest 
 rolling 
 resistance tire they've ever made. I would imagine the LiteSkin model run 
 tubeless would be the ultimate for a fast and supple fatty for the rough 
 roads. I'll be sure to post my thoughts on the Big One when I've given it 
 a 
 spin. 

 - Mike

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[RBW] Re: Glorius/Wilbury maximum tire clearance

[Dave C]

That's very helpful. I have a couple of Hetres in the cart on Jan Heine's 
site waiting for confirmation on clearance. Thanks! I assume you were happy 
with their performance on the Wilbury?

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 5:59:58 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>>
>> My wife has a 56 cm Glorius, and the bike needs new tires. Does anyone 
>> know what the maximum tire clearance is for that frame?
>>
>
> I don't know how wide you want to go, but my 56 cm Wilbury has no problem 
> running 650B x 42 Hetre tires, even with fenders. However, I'm not sure 
> I'll go wider than that, as the lateral clearance on the third set of stays 
> (the "neither-chain-nor-seat-stay") is getting pretty tight with the 
> 42-section Hetre tires.
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[RBW] Glorius/Wilbury maximum tire clearance

[Dave C]

My wife has a 56 cm Glorius, and the bike needs new tires. Does anyone know 
what the maximum tire clearance is for that frame?

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[RBW] FT: My 61 cm Atlantis for your 58 cm Atlantis

[Dave C]

I have a 61 cm 2004 Atlantis that I would like to trade for a 58 cm 
Atlantis. The bike is a bit big for my current plans and needs, and I 
figured there might be someone who would like to trade. If you contact me, 
we can swap photos.

I would strongly prefer to arrange something local. I live in Wrightwood, 
CA, not to far from San Bernardino and Rancho Cucamonga, and I would be 
happy to drive to LA or SD to meet up.

If you wanted to swap just frames, that would be totally fine. My bike has 
the usual scratches, dirt, etc., no dents. Currently built up with a fairly 
standard 46 cm Noodle/100 cm Nitto stem/Sugino triple mix of parts.

Dave Carroll
Wrightwood, CA

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[RBW] Re: Cheapest, lightweight, and durable saddlebag support rack

[Dave C]

Thanks. I mainly just want a cheap version of the Nitto rack that connects 
to the seat stays, but that appears to be a fantasy.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 1:40:25 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:

 Well, there's the Hupe.  I know it's no longer available from RBW, but 
 many here have them.  Perhaps you could borrow one to try out? 
 Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!

[Dave C]

That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for 
years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the 
rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make 
small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine).

If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather 
that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the 
bars.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. 
 Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I 
 find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag 
 is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my 
 handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire 
 to pull away. 

 When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to 
 the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my 
 Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with 
 panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt 
 easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. 

 Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got 
 weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to 
 me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding 
 with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. 

 All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 
 forks, but it doesn't bother me. 

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 Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration.  Obviously, you are pleased 
 with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with 
 loading.  So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but 
 you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end.  Have you 
 experimented and determined this to be optimal for you?

 Chris Johnson
 Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!

[Dave C]

Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am 
referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel 
wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering 
corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with 
low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage 
of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while 
climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, 
every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it 
lately.
This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop.
http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf

So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would 
affect this tendency or be unnoticed.


On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:38:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack 
 makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight 
 actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to 
 keep it 'on course'? 

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front 
 for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the 
 rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make 
 small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine).

 If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I 
 gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on 
 the bars.

 On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. 
 Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I 
 find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag 
 is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my 
 handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire 
 to pull away. 

 When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to 
 the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my 
 Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with 
 panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt 
 easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. 

 Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got 
 weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to 
 me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding 
 with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. 

 All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 
 forks, but it doesn't bother me. 

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration.  Obviously, you are pleased 
 with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with 
 loading.  So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but 
 you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end.  Have you 
 experimented and determined this to be optimal for you?

 Chris Johnson
 Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!

[Dave C]

Ha. My street includes a 20 foot elevation change just over one block, and 
there is a 20+ foot steep hill right across from me in the forest. It's 
amazing how our geography changes our biking experiences.

On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 8:21:00 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ahh, well...hah... I live in a province where there is maybe... a 20 foot 
 elevation change over 100km. So... I have absolutely no clue. I'll find out 
 in a couple weeks when I could to ride across Oregon :)

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I 
 am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel 
 wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering 
 corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with 
 low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage 
 of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while 
 climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, 
 every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it 
 lately.
 This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop.

 http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf

 So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack 
 would affect this tendency or be unnoticed.


 On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:38:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack 
 makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight 
 actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to 
 keep it 'on course'? 

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front 
 for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of 
 the 
 rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make 
 small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine).

 If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I 
 gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on 
 the bars.

 On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. 
 Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. 
 I 
 find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle 
 bag 
 is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from 
 my 
 handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's 
 desire 
 to pull away. 

 When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected 
 to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in 
 my 
 Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with 
 panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt 
 easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. 

 Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got 
 weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful 
 to 
 me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding 
 with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. 

 All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 
 forks, but it doesn't bother me. 

 On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration.  Obviously, you are 
 pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences 
 with loading.  So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis 
 loading, 
 but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end.  Have 
 you 
 experimented and determined this to be optimal for you?

 Chris Johnson
 Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Cheapest, lightweight, and durable saddlebag support rack

[Dave C]

I want to get an inexpensive rack that is short and will support a 
saddlebag. I already have a Nitto Campee rack, but I want something lighter 
just for a saddlebag. Most of the Nitto and similar options cost quite a 
lot, even though they are smaller and need to get support less weight. I 
would prefer silver. 

Do you know of any cheap ($40-60) options?

thanks,
Dave

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[RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!

[Dave C]

What size is that Atlantis? Did you get it a smaller size with the 
intention using it with fat tires? Do you have any issues with tighter 
trails and toe/wheel contact?

On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 9:11:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 My curiosity was getting the better of me and I had to find out if I could 
 squish even fatter knobbies into my Atlantis. I picked up a pair of 
 Schwalbe Thunder Burt's in 2.25 and the fit with room to spare! I think I 
 could actually get 2.3 or 2.35s in there! 

 I also took the opportunity to change up a few other things - I have a 
 100cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem matched to some Soma Portola dirt drop bars, 
 with some drillium-style NOS Shimano levers. I went out for 7 hours on 
 Saturday and love the bars! I could have used some light gloves (and 
 sunscreen for that matter), but overall I'm loving the setup. Riding in the 
 drops is fantastic on single track and descending. The hoods are 
 comfortable enough for long distance. I might raise the bars a smidge 
 still, but we'll see.

 The brakes received an update after the old Avid Tri-Align's kept 
 slipping. I'm using Paul Touring canti's, and they live up to their great 
 reputation. They just work so well.

 Replaced the BB with a Phil Wood unit plus mud guards, as well as the road 
 version of White Industries' cranks, which brought my Q down by a 
 centimeter. Using this BB and crank, I think I could actually have got with 
 a 116mm instead of 119mm. When it comes time to replace (in like...10 
 years), I'll shorten it.

 I also picked up a Sugino inner ring from Riv on their sale page. I've now 
 got a 44/26 setup with an 11x36 cassette. I replaced my Ultegra front 
 derailleur with an old Suntour Cyclone derailleur, which actually works 
 much better than the Ultegra. The cage is also wider, meaning I don't need 
 to trim as often.

 And last but not least, added a Velo Orange Mojave cage under the down 
 tube with a 40oz Klean Kanteen bottle. Thirsty? Not anymore! This is the 
 setup I'll be using for my 10-day tour in Oregon next month. Oh, and I also 
 added a Mark's Rack to the back after the Bagman rack cracked.

 There you have it! The Fatlantis is even fatter, can climb higher, stop 
 faster, shift better, spin smoother, support more weight, it's perfect!

 More on my Flickr page! 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/sets/72157644514166933/



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[RBW] Re: Fattest Tires on a Mavic A719

[Dave C]

I ran 55 mm mountain bike tires on a front wheel with the A719 rim for a 
few years. I had no problems, and it was used on all sorts of trails.

On Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 8:47:00 PM UTC-7, Michael Fleischman wrote:

 What are the fattest tires I can run on a Mavic A719 rim?

 Mavic says not to longer than 47mm.  Is this true?

 http://www.mavic.us/rims-road-triathlon-719

 Thanks for your insights.

 Michael


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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[Dave C]

That's sounds like a good offer.

I have never uses the Hetres, but I currently am using the 32 mm GB Cypres, 
and I really do like them a bunch. I have been using them on fire roads in 
my area, and I think they have been very versatile and have a nice ride. 
When my wife's Glorius is in need of new tires, I will get her the Hetres, 
even though the Col de la vies are fine. In fact, I can't say for sure the 
Cypres is any better than a non-TG Pasela, but I think it's good to have 
the options that didn't exist a decade ago.

Does anyone know if the Cypres tires have been empirically compared to the 
Paselas with any conclusive results?

And has the new 650B Pasela been tested by anyone yet (assuming it is out) 
and compared to the Hetres?


On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?  

 On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcn...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:
 
  Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you 
 want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might 
 be better put to use. 
 
  I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could 
 arrange something. 
 
  Dan
 
  On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:
 
   Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the 
 tires I would consider? 
  Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of 
 Justice on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in 
 Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 
  I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is 
 googling) led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they 
 are more expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a 
 Rivendell (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more 
 than I ever thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to 
 say, quite frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works 
 out pretty good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on 
 vacation right now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to 
 justify a lot.  So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot 
 under good conditions. 
 
  If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what 
 I will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire 
 with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I 
 don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and 
 over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
  I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at 
 least some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed 
 off to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow 
 made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned 
 out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the 
 Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since 
 we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail 
 sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't 
 where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to 
 be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off 
 to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the 
 others in my group don't.
 
  DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
 quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
 review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on 
 my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
  Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few 
 hours.  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the 
 tires I would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride 
 different places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner 
 rather than later to maximize my fun. 
 
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds 
 of light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
 
  I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix 
 flats. But modern sealants have squared the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

[Dave C]

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_552651_-1___

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_535557_-1___

These mounts on the bars themselves, not the ends.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:18:51 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Next challenge.  I can't ride without a mirror. In fact i used 2 bar end 
 mirrors on my old bike - i have a condition that results in less peripheral 
 vision (minimized eye movement) so it really helps me keep track.   

 New bike has bar end shifters that I'm really enjoying.  I added one 
 German mirror from riv cuz i didn't see a better option based on my googles 
 and bike shop forays.  It's ok, but the distortion is so different. I am 
 used to a much truer perspective.   

 i really prefer not using a helmet mount. Has anyone seen a good handle 
 bar option?It also seems like i should be able to create a mount that 
 would let me repurpose my bar end mirrors to mount on the handle bar. Has 
 anyone done that?  Hard for me to believe someone else hasn't tackled this 
 already.

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[RBW] WTT: Atlantis 61 CM for Rambouillet 60 or 58 CM

[Dave C]

I am have a 2003/2004-era Toyo-built Atlantis with a fairly standard build 
(Sugino XD triple crank, Shimano barcons, 46 cm Noodle, Mavic 719 
wheelset). I can't tour anytime soon, I really just need a road bike with 
some decent tire clearance. So I am interested in swapping with someone's 
Rambouillet (or Roadeo, I suppose). The bike is in great shape, with 
scratches on the right chainstay from a couple chain-suck incidents and a 
few scratches on the top tube. No dents, no problems. I can furnish 
pictures.

If you yearn to tour, or you want a bike with wider tire clearances, and 
you are up for considering a trade, let me know. I can get far more 
specific about components and other matters in a private conversation.

Dave Carroll
Wrightwood, CA

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[RBW] Re: Tire size on small Ram

[Dave C]

No offense to the shop, but I would expect them to do their homework
on this issue. I hope they order the correct size tires for you.

On Feb 19, 1:09 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I have a 50cm Ram that is currently being assembled. The shop said
 that the 26 inch wheels on it are not mountain bike wheels but an
 older/ rare 26 inch road size. He said it may be difficult to get
 tires. I had never heard this. Anyone have a Ram with 26 inch wheels
 or know if they are an oddball size or not?

 Thanks!
 cm

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[RBW] FS: 59 cm Romulus bike or frameset

[Dave C]

I listed this on the Boblist, too, but I know that many people
(including myself) usually only read the RBW list.  I also know there
are many Californians on this list - if any of you in the south are
interested in this bike and would like to arrange a local meeting, let
me know, please.

Rivendell Romulus bicycle or frameset for sale.  Frameset is $750, or
complete bike is $1100.  This bike has seen minimal miles, has a few
cosmetic blemishes.  I guess it has been ridden somewhere between
400-600 miles total.  I live in the San Gabriel mountains in Southern
California, and I would be happy to arrange for a local to see and
ride
the bike.

Some pictures are at
http://picasaweb.google.com/david.charles.carroll/RomulusForSale#


Payment with Paypal is preferred, unless I make a local sale, and
then
cash is fine, as well.

Frame is a 59 cm C-T purchased from Rivendell in 2005
It is built with the stock Romulus/Rivendell kit, including:
Nitto Frog seatpost
Nitto Technomic Deluxe (7 cm - it's shorter, because my wife needed a
shorter cockpit)
Nitto Noodle 46 cm handlebar.  She wrapped it with cotton tape and
hemp
twine, and shellacked it an amber color.
Shimano 105 hubs, derailers and headset.
Shimano Dura-Ace 9-speed bar-end shifters.
Shimano R-400 brake levers and 57 mm A-550 long-reach calipers.
Sugino XD triple crankset 48-36-26.
12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-25 cassette.
Araya RC-540 rims with Panasonic/Rivendell Ruffy-Tuffy tires.  The
tires
have most of their life still ahead of them.
2 mm stainless steel spokes, 32 front, 36 rear.

Additionally, I would be happy to include the 45mm SKS black fenders
if
you buy the complete bike.  I took them off of her bike, because the
room was a bit tight in the stock brakes.  If you decide to buy the
frameset only, I will sell them for $10.  They are in fine condition,
and depending on your brakes, they will fit around a 35 mm tire or
narrower.

I am not selling the saddle in the picture.

NOTE: One of the dropouts on the fork was bent a little when I
removed
the bike from a roof rack.  It doesn't affect the alignment of the
hub/wheel, but I have to loosen the quick release nut further out.
Easily repairable, doesn't affect the ride, but I don't want anyone
to
be surprised by this.

The reasons we are selling this bike/frame are twofold:
1.  It was a long reach for her, because she has long legs but a
shorter
torso and shorter reach than many men who ride a 59 cm Rivendell
frame.
2.  We bought a surfboard and wetsuits, and something has to go to
fund it.

Dave Carroll
Wrightwood, CA



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[RBW] Re: San Diego Custom Bicycle Show - this weekend, Riv ride Sunday

[Dave C]

I went with my wife, my 1 year-old, and a longtime friend who lives in
San Diego.  It was the first bike show any of us ever attended, and it
was fun.  My daughter practiced walking among the different booths, so
she had fun, too.

I enjoyed the following booths:
--Calfee - talking to Craig Calfee about the bamboo bikes was
absorbing, and he's a nice guy to boot
--Winter Cycles - nice styling, good touring/randonneur bikes, very
friendly
--Kish - builder in San Luis Obispo, I liked his rigid drop bar
mountain bike
--Sendero - fun guy, with a couple adventure bikes, one with Surly
Endomorphs
--can't remember his name, but an older builder in San Dimas.  Didn't
know any builders were there.
--Nobliette/Rene Herse booth - neat sampling of equipment

I was pleasantly surprised by the number of high-end mixtes there.
I'm glad to see the different designs and to see the concept get the
respect it deserves.

Overall, I was more interested in (1) talking to the builders and
designers and enjoying their enthusiasm, and (2) getting an injection
of bike culture since I live in the Southern California San Gabriels/
Inland Empire, where I never feel part of a bike culture.  It's
relieving to be around so many cyclists.

This is why I really need to go on one of the rides planned by David
Estes.

best,
Dave Carroll
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[RBW] Re: Shellacking a Saddle Nose

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On Mar 16, 5:12 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 So - I was pondering things on yesterday's ride.  As the mist got a little
 rain-like, I watched the nose of my Brooks get increasingly damp. Got me to
 thinking...



Shellac is not very water resistant.  It will whiten/discolor and
eventually deteriorate.  Leather waterproofing products, such as
Snoseal or Nikwax, are much more appropriate.  Shellac is generally
not used for exterior finishing for this reason/

best,
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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

It does have that piece! So that should confirm it is the 287V.  That
means either I failed to adjust it properly, or I need that special
noodle that comes with it, according to Mr. Thill.

What Outdoor Science School?  My friend and fellow teacher worked
several years at the one in Wrightwood.

On Feb 26, 7:39 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 Dave

 Thanks for the compliment. I taught for California public school
 programs for years (Orange County, LAUSD and the Stanislaus County
 Office of Education) as an outdoor science school teacher and
 administrator. If you are in Southern California, you might check out
 the Santa Barbara Middle School (private) bicycling program. It's
 inspiring.

 To your question . . . It appears that there are a couple of versions
 of the Dia Compe 287V. I have an older set - these have a plastic
 piece at the very top of the lever that is held in place by a 2mm hex
 bolt - the bolt and the plastic piece must be removed to install the
 cable. You'd know for sure if you have it! The other version (also
 287V) lacks the plastic piece but looks like this:

 http://www.niagaracycle.com/product_info.php?products_id=1578

 Dave

 On Feb 25, 10:20 pm, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

  I looked at the levers when I returned home, and I can't see any
  identifying number.  Is there any way to identify the specific Dia
  Compe model, without deep familiarity with the different lever designs?
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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

Tim, I think the poor braking is due to my inexperience at brake set-
up.  I never set up cable and housing before for this type of brake or
brake lever, and I'm not sure how to terminate the housing into the
lever body. I probably need to find a picture to determine the proper
method.

Last night, I adjusted the front brake by following the advice here,
increasing the cable tension by pulling more through the brake pinch
bolt.  I also adjusted the pads a bit.  It improved the braking, but
evidently I need to adjust some more because it is still weak.

Dave

On Feb 26, 8:04 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Dave C wrote:

  It does have that piece! So that should confirm it is the 287V.  That
  means either I failed to adjust it properly, or I need that special
  noodle that comes with it, according to Mr. Thill.

 Any noodle should work, IMHO, since it would not affect cable pull.  
 But Jim has a lot more practice putting together this stuff than I  
 have.  An inline adjuster for the brakes might be helpful.  My tandem  
 came with the lower example of these:

 http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/cable-hardware-brake.html#adjusters
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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

Here's a picture of the bike.  The brakes work MUCH better with all of
your advice.

http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/steelcommuter/?action=viewcurrent=101_1619.jpg

Dave

On Feb 26, 3:17 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:
 On Feb 26, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Dave C wrote:

  Tim, I think the poor braking is due to my inexperience at brake set-
  up.  I never set up cable and housing before for this type of brake or
  brake lever, and I'm not sure how to terminate the housing into the
  lever body. I probably need to find a picture to determine the proper
  method.

 I don't have any of these any more.  IIRC the cable housing is just  
 inserted into the guide hole in the lever body until it stops.  The  
 cable housing must be long enough to fully stop against both the  
 lever body and the cable stop (stop(s) for the rear brake, of  
 course).  If you pull the brakes and see the cable housing pulling  
 tighter somewhat in its run, that's a sign that the cable housing is  
 too short.

 Also, make sure you are using brake cable housing (coiled wire in the  
 sheathing) and not shifter cable housing (a bundle of longitudinal  
 wires in the sheathing).  Shifter cable housing will fail under the  
 forces of braking.  Don't ask how I know this.  Also make sure that  
 the brake cable housing ends are not crushed and dragging on the  
 cable- the ends must be fully open to allow the cable to slide  
 through easily.  Otherwise your hand force is overcoming the cable  
 friction and not braking.

 Given how important brakes are, it might be worthwhile taking your  
 bike to a good bike shop and having them set the brakes up and show  
 you how.

  Last night, I adjusted the front brake by following the advice here,
  increasing the cable tension by pulling more through the brake pinch
  bolt.  I also adjusted the pads a bit.  It improved the braking, but
  evidently I need to adjust some more because it is still weak.

 How much clearance to you have between the pads and the rims?  V-
 brakes run very close to the rims (about 1 mm away), unlike brakes  
 that require less cable pull.  You could have 3-4 mm with sidepulls  
 or cantis and have plenty of lever travel, but not so with V-brakes.

 BTW, I really don't like V-brakes for these reasons.  A well set up  
 canti stops just as well and is a lot less goofing around.  The only  
 bike I have with V-brakes is my tandem which has shorty V-brakes.
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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

I believe they are 287V brake levers.  I'm at work, so I can't check,
but that was what I intended to say.

Jim, are the Tektros better at this out of the box, or do you have to
do something special?

I have a bunch of cantilever brakes lying around, and I'm considering
just using one of those.  I think the road levers I have will work for
that, at least.  But I'm intrigued by the Tektro brakes.

On Feb 25, 5:08 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 2/24/09 8:44 PM, Dave C at david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

  I was setting up the front brake on my newly built-up Karate Monkey
  frame.  I have never used moustache bars, V-brakes, nor the DC 287
  brake levers.  Please take that into consideration.  I set up the V-
  brakes this evening, the pads are fairly close to the rims and
  parallel, but the levers don't seem to pull enough cable to stop the
  rim when riding.  There is little to no tension when I apply the
  levers.

  I got the DC 287 levers from someone several years.  I was wondering
  if they are supposed to come with any others parts besides the basic
  levers.  Is there a trick or special method to setting up V-brakes
  with these levers?

  Any help is appreciated -- I am not very experienced with brake set-up
  and adjustment.

 The 287 does not pull enough to be used with V-type brakes. There is a 287V
 which is designed to pull the proper amount.

 You can get standard levers to work with V-brakes by using an adapter such
 as the Travel Agent

 Good reference on brakes and their workings - 
 AASHTA:http://sheldonbrown.com/brakes

 - J

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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

Thanks.  You are very clear, so I bet you're a good teacher.  I teach
high school English, but it would be great to teach high school
Bicycling.  That should be added to the California curriculum.  I have
an Atlantis, too, with cantilevers that work fine.

Dave

On Feb 25, 8:04 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
 Tocayo (Dave C!):

 I've used all of the above items on various bikes, including a 287V/
 linear pull set up karate monkey with mustache bars, and they all
 work. I have to say though, that even in comparison with travel agents
 and normal levers, the 287V levers were my least favorite. I did use
 them successfully (with plenty of stopping power for a 200lb rider) on
 my Atlantis during a month-long, loaded tour. The 287V's do seem
 overly sensitive to cable routing issues and the rear brake never
 quite met my expectations for a smooth pull - though it stopped fine.
 Without looking at your bike, I wouldn't suppose to tell you what's
 wrong with your set-up.

 The tektro levers and the identical Cane Creek Drop V's do work great.
 As Jim says, you just hook them up and they work. The only thing they
 are missing is the adjustable brake noodle that comes with the dia-
 compe 287V set up. Without some sort of adjuster, you have to adjust
 the brakes by undoing the anchor bolt and pulling cable to adjust for
 pad wear - not a big deal, but I prefer the fine adjustment of an in-
 line system. So, you could buy some of the tektro levers and use the
 dia-compe noodles or use Jagwire in-line adjusters to do the job.

 Switching to canti brakes is certainly another option, but with the
 Karate Monkey, you'll have to add some brake cable  hangers to make it
 work. Again, not a big deal. Setting up canti's is a little more
 challenging depending on the brand of brake. Mustache bars with aero
 levers can present an addition problem when you try to route the front
 cable housing to the front cable hanger. If you have cut your steer
 tube short and have a stem with little rise and reach, it's tough to
 make the cable run smoothly depending on how you've taped your bars/
 cables. However, there are ways!

 This is my first foray into trying to help someone solve a bike issue
 online and I hope I've been helpful. I'm teaching a bike course
 currently and I'm checking out the online bike scene as my personal
 project this term. My students are definitely into the on-line
 community deal and I'm trying to become less of a Luddite. I have an
 Atlantis and will soon receive a Bombadil frame for a build this
 spring, so I thought I'd check out this forum.

 Standing by. . .

 On Feb 25, 8:07 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Nothing special with the Tektro long-pull levers. Just hook them up as
  usual.

  On Feb 25, 8:40 am, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

   I believe they are 287V brake levers.  I'm at work, so I can't check,
   but that was what I intended to say.

   Jim, are the Tektros better at this out of the box, or do you have to
   do something special?

   I have a bunch of cantilever brakes lying around, and I'm considering
   just using one of those.  I think the road levers I have will work for
   that, at least.  But I'm intrigued by the Tektro brakes.

   On Feb 25, 5:08 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:

on 2/24/09 8:44 PM, Dave C at david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was setting up the front brake on my newly built-up Karate Monkey
 frame.  I have never used moustache bars, V-brakes, nor the DC 287
 brake levers.  Please take that into consideration.  I set up the V-
 brakes this evening, the pads are fairly close to the rims and
 parallel, but the levers don't seem to pull enough cable to stop the
 rim when riding.  There is little to no tension when I apply the
 levers.

 I got the DC 287 levers from someone several years.  I was wondering
 if they are supposed to come with any others parts besides the basic
 levers.  Is there a trick or special method to setting up V-brakes
 with these levers?

 Any help is appreciated -- I am not very experienced with brake set-up
 and adjustment.

The 287 does not pull enough to be used with V-type brakes. There is a 
287V
which is designed to pull the proper amount.

You can get standard levers to work with V-brakes by using an adapter 
such
as the Travel Agent

Good reference on brakes and their workings - 
AASHTA:http://sheldonbrown.com/brakes

- J

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[RBW] Re: Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

I looked at the levers when I returned home, and I can't see any
identifying number.  Is there any way to identify the specific Dia
Compe model, without deep familiarity with the different lever designs?
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[RBW] Question about Dia Compe 287 levers and V-brakes

[Dave C]

I was setting up the front brake on my newly built-up Karate Monkey
frame.  I have never used moustache bars, V-brakes, nor the DC 287
brake levers.  Please take that into consideration.  I set up the V-
brakes this evening, the pads are fairly close to the rims and
parallel, but the levers don't seem to pull enough cable to stop the
rim when riding.  There is little to no tension when I apply the
levers.

I got the DC 287 levers from someone several years.  I was wondering
if they are supposed to come with any others parts besides the basic
levers.  Is there a trick or special method to setting up V-brakes
with these levers?

Any help is appreciated -- I am not very experienced with brake set-up
and adjustment.

Dave
Wrightwood, CA
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[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Riders Feb. Ride is in the can

[Dave C]

I live about 40 minutes from you, David, and I would have liked to
come with my family.  We visited my grandmother instead, but I hope to
join one of these rides someday.  I'll take my Atlantis and my wife
can choose between her Glorius or Romulus.  We go to Loma Linda and
Redlands for medical appointments, so perhaps we can meet up for an
impromptu ride.  Since the kids are so young, we pull them in
trailers.

Dave Carroll
Wrightwood, CA

On Feb 21, 8:20 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Levi, Lance, and the Yellow Devil were riding 50 miles to the west of us,
 but 13 intrepid souls hoped on their bikes to hit the trails out here in
 Redlands.  A wonderful day, with perfect weather and good people.  The ride
 was intended to be an under-biking extravaganza and I think it succeeded
 in that.

 Thanks to everyone that showed, and hope we can encourage some more SoCal
 denizens to show up for the March ride, which will be from Oceanside to Dana
 Point (and back again).

 There should be more pics coming your way from Esteban, Chris, and Mark, but
 you can start with 
 these:http://flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157614275209826/

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 Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: Glorius and drop bars

[Dave C]

I haven't responded because I've been so busy, but I neglected to
mention that my wife rides a 59 cm Romulus and the 56 cm Glorius.  I
can't measure it right now, but I think the Romulus has a 57.5 cm
effective top tube, about 1.5 cm shorter than the imaginary top tube
of the Glorius.  So I think if I go with a stem on the Glorius that is
1 cm shorter than her Romulus, she can use drops.

Of course, her stem on the Romulus has a  7 cm extension, which is
pretty short.  I don't know if a 6 cm stem has any disadvantages.

Thanks for all the responses, btw.

Dave

On Feb 9, 9:42 am, John at Rivendell j...@rivbike.com wrote:
 Yep. Need to go short with the stem on a mixte if you are considering
 a drop bar,
 especially ours with long effective top-tubes. We (generally) still
 recommend
 the albatross/dove bars on these frames.

 Cheers,

 John at Rivendell

 On Feb 8, 10:13 pm, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

  Wow! Thank you!  I never even considered the Dirt Drop stem.

  Dave

  On Feb 8, 9:32 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Hey Dave,

   I've been wondering the same, and was glad to see this pic of the
   Betty Foy

  http://tinyurl.com/cxpuhx
   (last picture at the bottom shows drop bars mated with dirt drop stem)

   -Jay

   On Feb 8, 11:42 pm, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

My wife is strongly considering swapping the Albatross bars on the
   Gloriusfor some drop bars.  She wants to have the lower drop position
for fast descents and off-road control.  Yet after scouring the web
and the Flickr site, I have not seen oneGloriusor Wilbury with
   drops.  I know why -- part of the bike's appeal overlaps with the
appeal of Albatross bars -- but my wife does not need the higher
position they provide.  She has been satisfied with her Noodle bars on
her Romulus.

Has anyone outfitted their Rivendell mixte withdrops?  Any
suggestions for stem change?  I know that she will either use another
Noodle bar, or a flared drop in the randonneur style or Dirt Drop
style.  I'd love to see pictures if anyone has done this.

Dave
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[RBW] Re: FS: New Nokian Hakkapeliitta 700x35c W106 Studded Tires, $90

[Dave C]

These have sold.

On Feb 12, 12:31 pm, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:
 My wife gave me a pair of studded tires for my Atlantis, but we don't
 have enough icy conditions to warrant the purchase.  These are new
 tires, never mounted are used.  These are intended for icy commutes,
 but they have a decent tread on them for trails.  Most Rivendell
 frames will be able to clear these, although the Romulus and
 Rambouillet frames may not have clearance for these tires AND a
 fender.

 I would like $90 or best offer.  I will ship anywhere in the CONUS.  I
 would like to use Paypal.

 Dave Carroll
 Wrightwood, CA
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[RBW] Re: Pics of Atlantis built up as pure road bike?

[Dave C]

I live in the San Gabriels, where there are no flats - only up or
down, and there are some 8-12% grades here.  That is the primary
reason I wanted to equip my Atlantis with the slimmer Avocets.

On Feb 9, 10:24 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote:

  On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Brooklyn david.paul.crock...@gmail.com
  wrote:

  I see no point in riding on tires less than 32 mm unless you are in a
  race or are messenger.

  Better acceleration? Seems like there are times when one would want this,
  without needing to be in a race or being a messenger.

 Easier climbing? Lately when I do club rides on nice days, I ride my
 Klein with 28mm tires. There's a huge difference between that and the
 32mm tires (plus a generator hub) on my Atlantis, and I climb a lot
 faster on the Klein. What difference does climbing a hill eight
 minutes faster make? For me, not that much, but for the friend waiting
 for me at the top, quite a lot.

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[RBW] Re: Pics of Atlantis built up as pure road bike?

[Dave C]

My Atlantis is built up in the standard component package, and I've
added a generator light, Nitto rear rack and Mini front rack, and
saddlebag.  It weights 30+ pounds with my saddlebag, I'm sure.  But I
am interested in seeing them built up as road machines after putting
some of the 31 mm Avocet Duro Plus skinwall tires on my rims after
running the 35 mm Paselas.  It felt so much zippier.  I'm a light guy
(155 #) and some of the component choices I made are a little beefier
than I really needed, particularly since I have no time to take it
loaded touring.  Two little daughters and a high school teaching
position has an effect on your time and what you can do, you
know :)

I was impressed with the low weights of some of the French
constructeur bikes highlighted by Jan Heine, and it seems that there
are smart ways to keep the functionality of my bike and reduce the
weight.  For instance, my SKS fenders are warped and the rear is
broken, so the replacement fenders will be one of the lighter options
out there.  I have a heavy Mavic 719 rear rim that I spec'ed for my
touring, but I intend on taking one of my lighter rims and using it
with the Atlantis.  Sometimes I consider removing the Nitto rear rack
and replacing it with a mere saddlebag support.  Generally when I need
panniers, I'm taking one of my daughters in the trailer, which means I
don't need the panniers anyway.

thanks for the response.
Dave



On Feb 8, 4:56 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Dave:

  Here's a site with a lot of variety:

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/

 If you happen to find an Atlantis build that was done with component weight
 in mind, please post as it would be an interesting variation.

 The Atlantis has always been marketed as a highly versatile, go anywhere, do
 anything bike, suitable for touring, off roading, you name it.  That's why
 you're not seeing any built up as a go-fast.  Big wide tire clearances,
 cantilever brakes, dripping with rack eyelets  even a kick stand plate now,
 doesn't appeal to someone wanting a light, skinny tired bike.  Rivendell
 certainly always has something available that is more suitable for a go fast
 but Rivs not going after any the weight conscious crowd.  
 FWIW, my 58 cm Atlantis (standard Riv build components) with no racks,
 packs, bottles but with Schwalbe Marathon 35 mm tires is around 26 lbs IIRC.
 But the normal setup includes a Nitto Big rear rack, saddle bag, Marks mini
 front rack  bar tube.  That lot tips the scales around 30 lbs without food
  water.  I'd guess my setup is middling to light compared to some of the
 ones you see with larger tires, baskets, bigger bags, etc.  Us Atlanteans
 just aren't into weight worries - until we've got get the bike on an
 airplane!  

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 Anyone have pictures of Atlantis frames built up as road bikes with skinny
 tires, lightweight components, etc.?  The only ones I see on the web are
 generally built up for touring use or roads and fire trails.

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