Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Doug Hansford]

Hi Ahmed,I hope things are good for you. I still am looking to buy a 54 Roadini. Is yours the current geometry?  Let’s work out a sale. 706-614-3592Doug Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 14, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@Doug -Maybe the lighting in the photos are not true to the color of Sergio green despite the wording being so ? ... or ? At any rate, I hope you find what you are looking for in less time than you anticipate. Maybe it will be a serendipity experience, like it was with and my blue Clem. Kim Hetzel.On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 11:57:40 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Hi Kim,Yeah they do! The price is higher but if I really want green then that is my only option. Orange is available used for less money. Decisions, decisions... :-)DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Blue Lug has a Rivendell 54 Roadini Framset in Sergio Green in stock !https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-roadini-frame-set-sergio-green.htmlKim Hetzel.On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:17:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:The first run used mid-reach (47-57mm) brakes, the current model uses long-reach like Tektro R559. On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:58:57 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Does the orange one have a different spec than the new ones? The dropouts are perhaps different? Perhaps tire clearance as well? Just asking. The Roaduno changed my mind. I have a tigged Riv (Clem) and a fillet brazed one (Gus). So if I am to have a (completely unnecessary) third Riv I decided it should be fully lugged.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 3:39 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I did and have exchanged emails with him. Nice guy and that is a good price. I'm hoping for one of the green framesets but if one doesn't come along I may buy that orange one if it's still available. Thank you for the heads up!DougOn Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:18:51 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Doug, did you happen to see the 54 for sale on Craigslist, Cincinnati? I have talked to the guy & the price was down from $1,200 to just $950. It’s NOS or new never built or whatever. Looks new & is orange so from a previous batch? I seriously considered it as I could drive to pick it up but decided I did not need it.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 13, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Doug H.  wrote:I wanted to bump this up one time to see if anyone has a 54 for sale. I could buy a 50 from Riv but the saddle would be higher than I prefer on that size.Thanks,DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!DougOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.BrianOn Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is based on upright relaxed riding.On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle height. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H.  wrote:I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.DougOn Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Frameset or complete would work. Doug HansfordAthens, Ga



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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikeshop A-Hole Video

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Yep, Wisconsin.  Here is a longer video showing him working on his Rivendell All Rounder.  https://youtu.be/ysx21nddMmkDougSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 30, 2024, at 6:30 PM, Bob  wrote:Fairly sure he's in Lake Mills, WI: https://gibsbikes.com/His All-Rounder can also be seen here, https://www.instagram.com/p/CUd84lVNlD-, and elsewhere on his Instagram account: @bikefarmer--BobOn Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 3:49:19 PM UTC-7 RichS wrote:Steve, your question about his location. It appears to be Wisconsin. Note the BKEFRMR license plate at 2:26 in the video.Best,Rich in ATLOn Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 5:12:13 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:Thanks for sharing Doug. It was refreshing to hear a shop owner critique high end race bikes. Any idea where the guy's shop is located?  His personal All Rounder looked pretty sharp.Steve in AshevilleOn Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 8:14:34 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:It's a fun video despite the title and if you watch the whole thing you'll even see a Rivendell All Rounder for a few seconds. I thought you all might enjoy this on the heels of Bike Snob's Outside article. It's in the same vein. Enjoy. Video



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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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They probably aren’t that hard to adjust. I just couldn’t get the hang of it. I actually like 2x9 gearing and may try it again at some point.DougSent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2023, at 6:01 PM, lconley  wrote:Are modern FDs really that bad / hard to adjust? i learned to ride a 2x5 drivetrain (Schwinn Suburban) in 1969. That bike weighed 38 lbs, but it always shifted just fine. I rode 2x and 3x with only Campagnolo Nuovo Record FDs from 1972 to 2002, never a problem (maybe a Suntour Cyclone in there somewhere for a year or two). In common with the Schwinn FD (Huret?) was that they had smooth cages. Still have 3 bikes with Campy NR FDs. i think that many modern derailleurs are built to match a certain crank / chainring combo, and when asked to do something different, do not work as well. I did go with a friction shifted mostly smooth caged Dura-Ace FD-7800 (2003) on my Custom.LaingOn Friday, May 19, 2023 at 5:38:19 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:I just changed my Clem to 1x and it’s been great. I could never adjust the FD and finally had enough.  DougSent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:I’ve got 1x on my other Platypus! It’s really nice to have both types of gearing. I don’t know that I really drop my red bike’s chain but I have done it many times on my Clem. I wish that thing was 1x…It’s good to hear that people like their 1x - Grant talked about it in his blog and he didn’t have the praise for it I was expecting.On May 19, 2023, at 5:23 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:Actually, it took me a full year to get the front derailer on one of my bikes to shift without drama, and I've been wrenching personally and professionally for 50 years. On a lovely gravel road in Maine, I had just just passed a couple of young women on horses and started up a hill. Flipped the lever and dropped the chain into the chainstay. So much for that new paint, and so much for looking like the cool guy who had thoughtfully announced his presence and rolled quietly and slowly by them. You realize why 1x drivetrains are so popular when that happens. If you're not 100% confident that when you move the lever nothing bad is going to happen, you just don't move the lever. And you miss out on all those wonderful spinny gears. (Turns out I just needed to rotate the inner chainring 1/5 of a circle, shifts immediately and confidently, now.)I'm not a professional mechanic, and I ran 3x drivetrains for many years, frequently running them out of spec (24t small chainring, 39 tooth middle ring) The number of times I've dropped the chain has been innumerable. Last year I flipped everything to a 1x drivetrain, and now I don't know why I didn't do so earlier. I don't race, and around here when the terrain changes you don't  need a 1t adjustment, you need at least 2-3 teeth so the bigger jumps don't bother me at all.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Getting in over my head

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I just changed my Clem to 1x and it’s been great. I could never adjust the FD and finally had enough.  DougSent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:I’ve got 1x on my other Platypus! It’s really nice to have both types of gearing. I don’t know that I really drop my red bike’s chain but I have done it many times on my Clem. I wish that thing was 1x…It’s good to hear that people like their 1x - Grant talked about it in his blog and he didn’t have the praise for it I was expecting.On May 19, 2023, at 5:23 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:Actually, it took me a full year to get the front derailer on one of my bikes to shift without drama, and I've been wrenching personally and professionally for 50 years. On a lovely gravel road in Maine, I had just just passed a couple of young women on horses and started up a hill. Flipped the lever and dropped the chain into the chainstay. So much for that new paint, and so much for looking like the cool guy who had thoughtfully announced his presence and rolled quietly and slowly by them. You realize why 1x drivetrains are so popular when that happens. If you're not 100% confident that when you move the lever nothing bad is going to happen, you just don't move the lever. And you miss out on all those wonderful spinny gears. (Turns out I just needed to rotate the inner chainring 1/5 of a circle, shifts immediately and confidently, now.)I'm not a professional mechanic, and I ran 3x drivetrains for many years, frequently running them out of spec (24t small chainring, 39 tooth middle ring) The number of times I've dropped the chain has been innumerable. Last year I flipped everything to a 1x drivetrain, and now I don't know why I didn't do so earlier. I don't race, and around here when the terrain changes you don't  need a 1t adjustment, you need at least 2-3 teeth so the bigger jumps don't bother me at all.



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Roadini

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Jonathan,That might work. Can you send me details and photos in a private message?DougSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:I have a 54 for sale but it's complete. On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Does anyone have a 54 cm Roadini they would like to sell? I'm thinking of setting one up as a single speed.Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

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It may be obvious to some but I appreciate the detail. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 3, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Apologies to anyone who thinks I'm explaining the obvious, I've learned over the years to start at "explain everything, assume nothing" and it's served me well. And as I said in my first post, I'm probably doing it all wrong! On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:52:07 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Trial and error bro! Basically you need the range of motion between L and H to cover the chainrings, and the cable pinched down so the shifter will move the cage through that range.If the shifter starts slipping you'll need to crank down on the bolt there. Silver thumbies have a little ring you turn, SunRace/Microshift use a hex bolt. On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:Joe these are excellent instructions. My mistake is not leaving the cable loose when adjusting the low limit. Thanks!!DougSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 3, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Of course I forget something. The cable gets tightened down (after the L setting is done) with the shifter in its most forward position, the cable is let out as much as it will go. On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:The way I do it was self-taught decades ago and no doubt wrong but it works so here goes:Chain in small front/big rear like you said, L and H screws all the way out, then I adjust the L screw to get the cage just inboard enough to clear the chain. That's my low position for the derailer, I know I dont want it swinging any closer to the frame. Now I tighten the cable at the clamp and shift to the big front/small rear. Is the fd getting my chain over to the big ring? Good, now I'm screwing the H limit in just far enough to keep the chain from overshifting and tossing the chain between the ring and crankarm. Once I've gotten this far I ride a bit to dial the L and H screws, often on the first try one or the other isn't quite right and I'm not getting enough travel to knock the chain to the next ring. Easy! On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:41:41 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:I want to tap into the collective knowledge here. I need to adjust my Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice would be most appreciated. Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailer Adjustment

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Joe these are excellent instructions. My mistake is not leaving the cable loose when adjusting the low limit. Thanks!!DougSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 3, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:Of course I forget something. The cable gets tightened down (after the L setting is done) with the shifter in its most forward position, the cable is let out as much as it will go. On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:The way I do it was self-taught decades ago and no doubt wrong but it works so here goes:Chain in small front/big rear like you said, L and H screws all the way out, then I adjust the L screw to get the cage just inboard enough to clear the chain. That's my low position for the derailer, I know I dont want it swinging any closer to the frame. Now I tighten the cable at the clamp and shift to the big front/small rear. Is the fd getting my chain over to the big ring? Good, now I'm screwing the H limit in just far enough to keep the chain from overshifting and tossing the chain between the ring and crankarm. Once I've gotten this far I ride a bit to dial the L and H screws, often on the first try one or the other isn't quite right and I'm not getting enough travel to knock the chain to the next ring. Easy! On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:41:41 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:I want to tap into the collective knowledge here. I need to adjust my Shimano Deore front derailer on my Clem. It looks to be aligned properly. Is it proper to tighten the cable when the chain is on the small ring and largest rear cog? Should the H and L screws be all the way screwed in when I start the adjustment? I was able to get it to shift but the low screw is pretty much all the way out so it just seems to be off in some way. And, after a couple of rides it seems to come back out of adjustment. Any advice would be most appreciated. Doug



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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr Update

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This is good info. I don’t mind needing to use loc-tite because the shifter is 
smooth and looks good. But, maybe Riv should make this a recommendation or pre 
install it on the bolt. I’ll try it and report back. 
Doug

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> On May 31, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
> 
> I installed a suntour barcon on my clem build with an ALTUS rear dr. Not 
> sure if it's a stronger modern spring but find it's slipping more than 
> normal. I previously had it paired with an older generation XTR reverse rapid 
> rise which worked fine. But I think the reverse rapid rise has less return 
> tension. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:06:24 AM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>> Doug, you're likely already aware that there's different levels of loc-tite, 
>> but just make sure you use the less permanent option on those shifters of 
>> yours.
>> Happy shifting!
>> -Kai
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:38:46 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>> I was just looking at shifters on the Rivendell website and found this 
>>> blurb in the description of the wing bolts that can replace the d-ring bolt 
>>> that comes with the Silver2 shifter... "Put some loc-tite on them and 
>>> you'll likely never have to mess with them. If your shifter loses a little 
>>> tension, turn it at the next stop or even while you're riding, if you're 
>>> careful."  So, I think I will try a little loc-tite on the bolt to see if 
>>> that helps with slippage.
>>> Doug 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:08:03 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Man, I grew up with friction shifters & have been yearning for the Silver 
 shifters to replace my Microshift units that came on the bike. But these 
 things work flawlessly & I’d forgotten about “slippage”. I think I shall 
 resist the nostalgic trip down memory lane and save $170.00!
 
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>> On May 30, 2022, at 8:50 PM, J J  wrote:
>> 
> 
 
> Hi Doug, thanks for the nice write up. CeeCee looks great!
> 
> About the Silver2 shifters: I’ve had the same problem of gears slipping. 
> I find that I have to tighten the D ring screw so much to prevent 
> slipping that it makes it hard to move the shift levers. I haven’t 
> thought of using thread lock. I’ve just kind of accepted the slipping as 
> reality for these shifters. It seems like I constantly have to fiddle 
> with them. 
> 
> I’d love to hear suggestions from anyone else who might be reading this. 
> I prefer friction shifting. But the slipping with these brand new 
> Silver2s has me considering index shifting for the first time. Grant says 
> these are the best shifters in the world. If these are the best….surely 
> they should not slip?? 
> 
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 4:14:29 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>> I now have several hundred miles on my Clem Smith Jr so wanted to share 
>>> some thoughts. I feel like I'm cruising around when I ride so I call it 
>>> my Clem Cruiser, or CeeCee for short. I've never named a bike but 
>>> CeeCee may work. Is it fast or slow? Those aren't the right questions 
>>> to ponder. Am I faster or slower on the Clem as compared to other bikes 
>>> I've ridden? It doesn't feel like it and I don't care! I'm amazed at 
>>> how it tracks up hills with ease. I sit upright and enjoy the scenery 
>>> which gives me a greater degree of feeling safe as well.  I'm really 
>>> happy with how the Clem rides on asphalt, dirt or gravel.
>>> 
>>> I recently had Rich build a dynamo wheel for me as I had never used 
>>> dynamo but wanted to give it a shot. I'm hooked. I don't feel any drag 
>>> from the hub and not having to worry about recharging lights frees my 
>>> mind for other thoughts. The wheel is a Velocity Cliffhanger 32 spokes 
>>> with a Kasai hub. My rear wheel is still the stock Alex 36 spoke with 
>>> an unbranded hub. The mismatched wheels are kinda cool and Clem-like I 
>>> think. 
>>> 
>>> My pedals are One Up aluminum platform pedals that are large and 
>>> grippy. They are perfect for the Clem and my big ole feet. I rode today 
>>> wearing my Merrell sandals and the pedals gave plenty of support and 
>>> grip. Speaking of grip, I really like the Ergon Biokork grips.  
>>> 
>>> I wrapped Newbaum cloth tape on my chainstay  as a protector even 
>>> though it already had a clear one...I like the looks of it. I've put 
>>> two stickers on it and ordered a couple from Path Less Pedaled to 
>>> sticker it up a little more. This is a fun bike to ride and tinker with 
>>> for sure.
>>> 
>>> I'm digging friction shifting but I have gotten slippage from the 
>>> Silver2 shifter. The bolt comes loose and my gears slip at times. I 
>>> guess I need to find just the right tension but it is a little 
>>> frustrating. Should I use 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Riv 50/52 Step Through (Platypus, Clem L, Cheviot)

[Doug Hansford]

I think I’d need a 55 but I don’t see a listing for that bike anywhere. 
Doug

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> On Mar 19, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> 
> I talked to them so more about it but it just doesn't make sense for me 
> financially right now. Parting it or selling the parts that I had set aside 
> for this build would end up with me paying more for the frame then I would 
> for a new one. But for someone needing a complete its a fair deal.
> 
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:02:29 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>> Is the Platy is Cambridge a 50 or 55?
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 10:09:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>> I got a hot tip from Leah on a Platy in Cambridge however it is being sold 
>>> as a complete and the price is fair but since I have so many parts its a 
>>> pain to pay the higher price and try and offload a bunch of parts to 
>>> compensate. If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I will give you 
>>> the info. Or if someone wants to buy a bike load of nice Riv pats/wheels 
>>> etc let me know and maybe we can partner up.  Otherwise I am still on the 
>>> hunt. :)
>>> 
 On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 8:31:30 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
 I was planning on taking a shot at a Rosco Platy but now it sounds like 
 they are pushed until May. It's still a solid plan and I will wait if need 
 be but I am going to throw out a feeler as well. Would prefer just a frame 
 as I have all of the parts but could be fine with getting one more 
 complete if its the right thing.  I would need a 50 Platy or Cheviot (they 
 came in the same sizes right?) or a 52 Clem L. I need something with V 
 brakes so I think those are the only step throughs that use them.
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Re: [RBW] Clems: Rivendell, modernized?

[Doug Hansford]

I’ll order a set of those Joe. And I agree about the green Oury grips, they 
look Rad.  

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Doug: I use Deity Black Kat pedals and they're great, I didn't like how 
> narrow the MKS were. Deitys come in a bunch of colors, I think Leah has the 
> cheaper Deftrap model which looks to be the same size as mine. Good stuff. 
> 
> Paul: That's a nice bike. Dig the green Ourys! 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:53:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> I have ridden my Clem a few times now and can report it is excellent on 
>> roads, gravel, and dirt. I rode with the rear tire at 25 psi and the front 
>> at 30 psi. On roads I'll probably pump that up to 35/40. The Tosco bars are 
>> better than I expected as I had already thought about putting Billie Bars on 
>> it but now I'm satisfied with the Toscos. I have them angled downward a bit 
>> which is comfortable to me. The MKS Monarch pedals are good too but I may 
>> try another flat pedal that is wider and flatter at some point, maybe even 
>> add some color bling like Leah has done on hers. Not much else to report yet 
>> but so far so good! 
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 9:29:46 PM UTC-5 Gill wrote:
>>> So it’s been 15 months. I love the bike and extoll it’s virtues to anyone 
>>> who asks (and to some who don’t). It was not love at first sight. I bought 
>>> a clem for it’s personality - and price. Comfort and off-road capability 
>>> were the inducements. As time passed I came to appreciate clem’s beauty and 
>>> now find traditional diamond frame bikes look common and truncated in 
>>> comparison. For me the price was a sweet spot. It cost $1650, enough to be 
>>> a quality bike but not so much that it causes reluctance to ride the 
>>> granite strewn trails of cape ann for fear of dinging it up. Clem does what 
>>> you ask of it. Out last week a pedal came off at an inopportune moment 
>>> stripping the crank so I push rode it like a scooter 4 miles home and 
>>> thought it still rode nice. Can’t offer build inspiration as my clem is 
>>> still stock. All I’ve done is reposition the shifters to below the bends 
>>> freeing up hand space. This has made a big difference for any sort of 
>>> aggressive riding/climbing, works well for long descents too as you can lay 
>>> forearms flush on swept back and be comfortably aero. 
>>> 
>>> Maybe I’m just easy to please but for me this is a no-brainer. Whatever you 
>>> need, on or off-road, loaded or unloaded Clem Smith is a first ballot hall 
>>> of fame bike. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:45:12 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
 Yeah, the Clem to some qualifies as a "beater bike", albeit a still 
 relatively expensive one. The term is meant to convey something of a 
 lesser investment/value/importance that one feels more liberated to be 
 creative with. If you bought a new custom Riv, or a say a shiny new car 
  would you take the liberty to adorn it with hand painted designs of 
 your own ?  Would you gut the interior and replace it with your own design 
 ?  While most do not, many do just that. 
 
 Still, every bike is unique no matter how it adorned. In fact there are no 
 duplicates of anything,  "Mirror mirror on the wall who's the fairest of 
 them all ?"  Hah !  It's a trick question in that it starts with the 
 assumption of two or more, when in actuality there is but The One. 
 
 When I had my '83 Stumpjumper (silver) one mid-80's winter I just felt 
 like hand painting some of the lugs orange as I had some Testor's paint 
 handy. It was irresistibly fun !   I think this is exactly what my 
 Bombadil needs too, some hand painting here and there. It's already a 
 custom single color. no decals. I bought it used and it was flat black, 
 which to me was worse in person than I imagined. So when it needed some 
 frame work I had Jack @Franklin custom frames use that black powder coat 
 as a sanded base to paint it with light green metallic Imron. I didn't 
 like the original decals either so I left them off. About the only stock 
 Riv color I've seen that I liked in the Clementine soda pop Orange. The 
 Susie orange is a mildly burnt/dull offering. I expected something 
 brighter . boo hoo hoo ! 
 
 Spray-can painting is something we used to do as kids to bikes and 
 anything else that would take it. I wonder how many are willing to paint 
 over and/or accent their stock paint jobs ? I'm sure some have !  I like 
 the idea of a "blanco" primed and ready to paint as you like frame. Given 
 a blank canvas some may find it overwhelming at first but after that 
 first step into the seeming abyss and seeing that all is indeed well . 
 such is the Living as Life Itself. 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Tuesday, November 16, 

Re: [RBW] NBD: Clem L

[Doug Hansford]

It really is crazy. It looks different depending on the lighting. 

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Looking good! That color is CRAZY. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 9:47:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> A few pics from a daytime ride albeit in the woods and shady. 
>> Clem Ride
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> We have to wait for the weekend for sunlight pics?? I object! 
>>> 
>>> Joe "thinks he needs a LimeOlive Clem or Platy now" Bernard
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 5:17:53 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
 There is no sunlight when I'm home now Monday thru Friday with the time 
 change. Hopefully, I can ride this weekend and take some sunny photos. I 
 did do a night ride last evening and I can report that Clem is all that 
 and a bag of chips! 
 Doug
 
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:42 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> You have to put it in the sunlight tomorrow and share more photos with 
> us, Doug. I think that new lime is my favorite color so far. You’ll love 
> that bike. It give so much and asks for so little. A gentle giant.
> 
> Up next: a Platypus!
> Leah
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> Here is a link to a few more photos of my Clem L 52 ready to roll.  Clem
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:58:24 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>> Good point Joe. I'll look at other options, maybe even a front rack as 
>>> the front end of the Clem is already light compared to the rear.
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 2:43:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
 You might not be able to fit a Pletecher over those big tires, my 
 recollection from mounting one on my first Clem is the clearance gets 
 tight at the rear struts. Leah should be a good info source for this, 
 you can see in pics of her blue Clem L how the rack fits over her 
 GravelKings and fender. I don't know what size that tire is, but it 
 looks way narrower than your 2.5 knobbies.  
 
 Joe Bernard
 
> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 11:23:39 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
> I'd like to put a rear rack on my Clem and am thinking the Pletscher 
> Clem rack that Riv no longer sells would work well. If anyone has one 
> to sell please let me know.
> Doug
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:28:50 PM UTC-5 
>> mathie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank you for tossing in the book info, Doug. I had the same thing 
>> happen with my Platypus shipment last month and, since I'd ordered 
>> and read Eben's book a few months back, I wasn't sure whether it was 
>> a freebee or a mistake. 
>> 
>> Yes, The Platypus is as great as everyone has mentioned 
>> 
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 9:20 PM Doug H.  wrote:
>>> I didn't order it so it was a freebie. Maybe since it took almost 
>>> three weeks to ship the bicycle but either way I'm happy to get it 
>>> as it has been on my radar to read.
>>> Doug
>>> 
 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 10:12:31 PM UTC-5 
 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 So did they just toss in a book or did you order it? It’s a 
 FANTASTIC read. Enjoy!
 
 Ben
 
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>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>> 
> It's so cool!!!
 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 6:33:36 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>> Johnny,
>> Here is a peak at the Clem in my basement sans a saddle which is 
>> in transit from Rivendell.
>> Clem L
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:13:12 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien 
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm very excited for you but at the same time disappointed in 
>>> you for providing no photos with this post.
>>> 
 On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:49:23 PM UTC-5 
 oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 i am. Thoroughly. Thanks again for it. 
 
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 7:45 PM Doug H.  
> wrote:
> Thank you Oli. I hope you are enjoying your SimpleOne.
> Doug
> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:09:22 PM UTC-5 
>> oli.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looking forward to this, Doug! Enjoy it 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS Clem and Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

The fact that the new generation Clem L is longer makes me wonder why the 
switch to the Tosco from the Bosco handlebar.  
Doug

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> On Oct 30, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> The 2019+ Clem-L's are notably longer front and rear than the previous 
> generation of Clem's which the Clementine belonged to. They are 2 completely 
> different frames that happen to share the same model name. There was no 
> advance that this was going to happen, so for example when Leah got her new 
> one it took her awhile to figure out a new, much shorter stem to use.  
> 
> Here's the visual .   
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4ca,5ad94f910b7e170014f9dc22,
> 
>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 12:57:22 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>> Am I right to think the "small" Clementine is the same as a 45cm Clem L?
>> Abe
>> 
>> On Friday, 29 October 2021 at 13:29:05 UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>> Bump, 52 Clem and a small Clementine in the California Bay Area 
>>> 
 On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 5:38:53 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
 Those look new! 
 Doug
 
> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 8:14:35 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
> Where are you located?  Beautiful bikes!
> 
>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:32:25 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:08:29 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:07:30 PM UTC-7 El Sapo wrote:
 Clem is a medium in blue, and Clementine is a small in black. Both are 
 from the first shipment of full build Clem Smith Jr bikes. They are 
 both in "Like New" condition. The Clem has a brooks saddle and light 
 weight Rene Herse tires. The Clementine is stock.  
 
 Giving the RBW Owners Bunch first shot.
 
 $2K each.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Billie Bar - stem length & wtb

[Doug Hansford]

Is there much indication of use on the bar? Grip residue or scratches? 
Doug

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> On May 18, 2021, at 2:15 AM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
> 
> Yes I do! 
> 
> I have them listed on eBay Currently but haven’t sold yet ! If you want to 
> work a deal out more then happy too! 
> 
> Bren 
> 
> http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2=5575378759=5338273189=_item=333998262813=psmain_vectorid=229466=902099=824=lg=1
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> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>> 
>> Brenden,
>> If you still have the bars and stem for sale I am interested.
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:52:04 PM UTC-4 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hey J , 
>>> 
>>> My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
>>> pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set 
>>> up on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want 
>>> to personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the 
>>> bars and stem to you! 
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> Brenden
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Apr 18, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
> 
 Hey J , 
 
 My name is Brenden and I have yet to post in the group yet but I do have a 
 pair of Billie bars and a 12cm Tallux Stem to pair with it. I had the set 
 up on my 59cm Atlantis and my 57cm Crust lightning bolt. If you would want 
 to personally email me about price I’m more then happy to sell both the 
 bars and stem to you! 
 
 Thanks 
 Brenden 
 
 
 
>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Garth  wrote:
>> 
> 
>>> 
> JS , without being you, all I can say is go long, a 12 or 13. I have a 
> good selection of various open face stems so I can try any combo easily. 
> I find a combo of a threadless adapter and some cheap threadless 0 degree 
> or greater stems great for fitting and or keeping on the bike to ride. 
> That said, I'm not a fan of negative rise road stems with a long quill 
> for raising handlebars, it's self-defeating.  
> 
> "Upright" is such a cliche' though and means nothing more than saying it. 
> Unless you're face planted everyone who rides a bike is upright to some 
> extent and it's always changing. People have different body types, 
> different flexibilities and certainly different sensibilities about 
> everything in general. How you're placed over the saddle and your foot 
> placement has a big influence on the upper body, so just concentrating on 
> the upper with considering everything else is misleading at best. Bike 
> riding is a whole body experience, not to mention the "white elephant" in 
> the room . which is we are not machines...mechanical.. material.. 
> we are to put it blunty  Infinity Itself. 
> 
> Riding for joy of Riding Itself. ... Because We Are. 
>> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:49:11 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:
>> Greetings
>> I'm looking to try a Billie Bar on my App and unsure on stem length. I 
>> think I'm leaning towards a slightly more aero position and would like 
>> to have the grip/brake area not too far back.  I'd like to set them up 
>> so that position is comfortable and upright but not an issue for 
>> steering or knee hitting.  The issue is, I'm not all that long and 
>> general ride shorter stems .
>> * 9cm for Noodles on my S.H.
>> * 8cm for flat waive-like bars on my App currently 
>> 
>> I don't think the "3rd" position in the rounded forward part of the bar 
>> is something I would use all that often but definitely the area in front 
>> of the levers appeals to me as a primary riding position that sort-of 
>> mimics riding on the hoods of a drop bar.
>> 
>> Does anyone have suggestions on how long of a stem works best with these 
>> bars?   My gut is saying 11cm but I'm concerned about purchasing such a 
>> long stem and it feel way too out there.  It's a 55cm App with a roughly 
>> 60cm effective top tube length 
>> 
>> Also if anyone has a Bille Bar they would like to move on, please let me 
>> know
>> Thank you
>> JS
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some bars 
before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right the top 
tube is s long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H the ETT is 
about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. 
Doug

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> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo on 
> that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a 
> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver 
> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I wonder 
> if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and we could 
> try it out!
> 
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>> 
>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on 
>> the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem 
>> build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear 
>> what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and 
>> agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
>>>> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
>>>> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I 
>>>> have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts 
>>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to 
>>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. 
>>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on 
>>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, 
>>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only 
>>>> about 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. 
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>>>> your impressions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Leah
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to 
>>>>> take a file or grinder to it though.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>>>> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
>>>>>> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
>>>>>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a 
>>>>>> couple of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I 
>>>>>> guess.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Doug Hansford]

I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops on the 
road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my Clem build. 
Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to hear what 
others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) and agree 
with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. 
Doug

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> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers 
> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup:
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars
>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, but 
>> the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too close 
>> to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, I have 
>> no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts enough 
>> that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to sing and 
>> dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. Anyway, I 
>> have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on there 
>> because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, which I’m 
>> hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about 1.5 inches 
>> further away from me than my Boscos. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are 
>> your impressions?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
>>> a file or grinder to it though.
>>> 
 On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
 That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
 hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
 wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
 of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
 
 Tom
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Re: [RBW] WTB: A Rivendell

[Doug Hansford]

Joe,
I knew you would know! Thank you sir. 
Doug

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> On May 13, 2021, at 4:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> - 52cm Atlantis - 
> 
> Yes, that's an earlier Toyo or MUSA model which was sized like a flat-toptube 
> road bike. The 53cm MIT Atlantis that (I assume) you're looking for is a much 
> larger frame. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:00:08 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> Jim,
>> Yes sir! Georgia to Maine and back.  That Atlantis looks small. Did they 
>> ever make a 52?
>> Doug
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 13, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
 
>>> Hike the Appalachian Trail and then ride it back. ;-)
>> 
>>> 
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek ca
>>> 
 On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
 I saw that one. He prefers not ship but it's on my radar.
 Doug
 
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Sam Hillborne
> 55cm
> $2250
> Bustins Island, ME
> 
> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bustins-island-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7304637824.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 13, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>> 
>> The title is vague but I've been looking for a complete or frame for 
>> some time. The Atlantis, Clem H or Appaloosa would seem to fit the bill 
>> for me. Obviously these are not readily available. If you have a Clem H 
>> 52, Atlantis 53 or Appaloosa 54/55 I would be interested. Or, a Sam 
>> Hillborne might work as well.
>> Thank you,
>> Doug
>> Athens, GA
>> 706-614-3592
>> 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: A Rivendell

[Doug Hansford]

Jim,
Yes sir! Georgia to Maine and back.  That Atlantis looks small. Did they ever 
make a 52?
Doug

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> On May 13, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Jim M.  wrote:
> 
> Hike the Appalachian Trail and then ride it back. ;-)
> 
> jim m
> walnut creek ca
> 
>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:17:38 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> I saw that one. He prefers not ship but it's on my radar.
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 2:43:34 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> 55cm
>>> $2250
>>> Bustins Island, ME
>>> 
>>> https://maine.craigslist.org/bik/d/bustins-island-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7304637824.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 13, 2021, at 11:37 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
 
 The title is vague but I've been looking for a complete or frame for some 
 time. The Atlantis, Clem H or Appaloosa would seem to fit the bill for me. 
 Obviously these are not readily available. If you have a Clem H 52, 
 Atlantis 53 or Appaloosa 54/55 I would be interested. Or, a Sam Hillborne 
 might work as well.
 Thank you,
 Doug
 Athens, GA
 706-614-3592
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Doug Hansford]

Great story Leah. Thank you for sharing it. I appreciate learning about the 
life and times of bicycle people. 
Doug

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> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> TMI...sort of.
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:25:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m glad this thread was resurrected because I’m in fine fighting form today 
>> about my garage.
>> 
>> For years, 2 of the 3 stalls were mine. The third stall was for my deep 
>> freezer, bikes and the tiny amount of tools/pieces/parts that go with the 
>> bikes. But now big things are happening in my household. JP got himself a 
>> motorcycle, so that went to live in the bike stall. Then, he inherited his 
>> Dad’s 1995 Jeep Wrangler and decided to restore it. As of yesterday, he 
>> convinced me to move my van out of my remaining garage stall and park on the 
>> street so he can really spread out and mess up the garage. He’s doing things 
>> with paint, so now I live in fear he’s going to spray my beloved raspberry 
>> Platypus, or maybe it will get stolen because he’s got the garage door up 
>> all the time. Or maybe we’ll all die of the paint fumes, who knows.
>> 
>> Last night things came to a real head when he asked for my socket wrench. 
>> Years ago I took the socket wrench and the 3/4” socket and kept them in my 
>> van, because that’s what both of my bike racks require. Last night he asked 
>> for it back...for keeps. I bought him this socket set when we were dating in 
>> college; we had just met and it was Christmas. He was a farm boy who was 
>> studying to be a suit, but I didn’t see why he wouldn’t like a good socket 
>> set - it was CRAFTSMAN. I think his exact words after unwrapping the gift 
>> were...”You don’t know me, do you.” And he was right. But now he’s returning 
>> to his roots. He sheds that suit and he turns on country music and he gets 
>> tools and he’s ripping apart that Jeep. Today I went to Lowe’s and spent a 
>> whopping $37 on one socket wrench and one socket in 3/4”. I bought Craftsman 
>> because it’s cheaper than a divorce (I’m kidding. Kind of.). 
>> 
>> Here are photos of the pathetic little spaces I’m left with, and of my 
>> glorious new socket wrench.You’ll note my one little tool bag (I bought one 
>> that didn’t scream TOOLS IN HERE to throw him off my trail). I have a 
>> make-up bag (!) in the van and that is where my socket wrench and bike rack 
>> parts are. Not pictured are my bike stand and my air compressor.  
>> Leah 
>> PS I actually adore him. I just think socket wrenches are like underwear - 
>> you should only have use of your own.
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit late as well, but I've really enjoyed seeing everyone's work 
>>> space and have gotten some good ideas from y'all. And hopefully we can keep 
>>> this thread going and see more of your shop spaces. Here's a pic of my 
>>> workbench: I moved the bike stand for the shot, but it lives on the 
>>> cardboard you can see at the corner of the pic, and most of the bikes are 
>>> hung up on the wall just to the left of the metal cabinet. Cheers,
>>> 
>>> ~Mark 
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Mar 19, 2021, at 19:40, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
 Dang, glad you made it Rich! I'm really impressed with the bottle cage 
 and cup as tool holder. That's some next level stuff. I'm serious. I like 
 your shop-made tool holders as well as the base you made for the truing 
 stand. I'm with you on the plywood, nails and shop-made methods for 
 holding stuff. Table-mounted vise is cool. 
>>> 
 
 
>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 5:45:54 PM UTC-4 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm very late to the party but wanted to share. I've done a lot more 
>> volunteer work- frame and wheel building for our local co-op. My frame 
>> building items are in another room and I haven't done a full-frame in 
>> almost 2 years, although I've done a lot of S and S coupler retro's 
>> which is odd. It seems repairs will come and go in cycles. My space has 
>> been taken over by various kids and family projects, which has been fun. 
>> My daughter's crafts, my son's pitching practice area, and oddly, a 
>> wrestling mat. Hey, they are only young once! My dream is a separate 
>> space outside of the house, but that is just that, a dream! 
>> -Rich in Des Moines
>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Another 53cm Atlantis F/F/HS

[Doug Hansford]

Yes, and I put it on my watchlist just to see what it sells for. There are 
lots of people watching so I expect it to be bid up pretty high. Maybe to 
$1200? We'll see.
Doug Hansford

On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 10:57:44 AM UTC-4, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>
> Oops -- never mind! I see that it's the made-in-Taiwan frame (so, 
> crazy-long chainstays and top tube...).  Cheers!
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC 
>
>
> On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if that's the older-geometry Atlantis? Or the newer 
>> geometry, with the crazy-long chainstays and top tube?  Thanks!
>>
>> Liz
>> Washington, DC
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 2:35:31 PM UTC-4, Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> on eBay:
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/303609777102
>>>
>>> (it's not mine and I have no relation to the seller)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Another 53cm Atlantis F/F/HS

[Doug Hansford]

The ad says there is lots of beausage but it looks pretty clean. There are 
a few scratches but nothing major unless I'm missing something. Could be a 
good deal depending on how high the bidding goes.
Doug

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> on eBay:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/303609777102
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

[Doug Hansford]

Joel,
Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top 
tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement 
gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good 
discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike. 
Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would 
be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom 
and the process he went through the come up with the design.
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were still 
> with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but kept 
> the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now 
> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I 
> deserve a treat.  
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel,
>>
>> Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of 
>> that is just years of inflation but still ...
>>
>> I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride 
>> and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
>> That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but perhaps 
>> a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 
>>
>> regards
>> ted
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
>>> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
>>> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
>>> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
>>> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
>>> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
>>> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
>>> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
>>> that would have caused it.  
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joel,
>>>>
>>>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
>>>> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>>>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
>>>> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>>>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>>>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>>>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
>>>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>>>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
>>>> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think 
>>>> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling 
>>>> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
>>>> the 
>>>> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
>>>>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
>>>>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those 
>>>>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
>>>>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
>>>>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
>>>>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I 
>>>>> could 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

[Doug Hansford]

Joel,
Funny about Grant measuring your PBH. I've never been to Rivendell but have 
talked to Grant about bikes by phone. He asked my PBH and I told him I 
measured it at 83 and he said "you're probably an 85". I think he figures 
most folks don't get all the way up to bone when they measure. I like 
having at least an inch clearance even though I can ride a bike with less, 
I'm always thinking about a quick dismount off of the saddle. My latest 
bike, a GT steel commuter build has a 32.5 inch stand over measurement and 
I have clearance.of more than an inch. So, I think Grant is actually right 
about my PBH being closer to 85 than 83. I'd say buy the largest frame you 
can comfortable straddle so that you can adjust reach with handlebar and 
stem changes. A too small bike I think limits what you can do for your 
cockpit options.
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 12:57:49 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what that 
> means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and Appaloosa 
> and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these new MIT models 
> are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom was just a tad 
> more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase comfort, my 
> back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he stability of the 
> front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed a bit of a twitchy 
> feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on but I don’t think 
> that would have caused it.  
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) have 
>> significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height is 
>> smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible differences 
>> in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I presume 
>> wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I think there are 
>> other threads that speak to how these versions ride and handling compare, 
>> but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from the rear 
>> axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the 
>>> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot 
>>> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would 
>>> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that 
>>> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I 
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my 
>>> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a 
>>> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well 
>>> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover 
>>> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could 
>>> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer 
>>> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue 
>>> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these. 
>>> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort? 
>>> I also ride upright.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am confused.
>>>
>>> Any input is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Joel
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What shade of orange?

[Doug Hansford]

Kiley,
I must confess to being somewhat anti-orange. I grew up around Athens, GA 
where all things UGa Bulldawgs is a way of life. And, as a child I was a 
huge fan of the Dawgs. Our rivals were Florida, Clemson, and Auburn who all 
wear some shade of orange. Maybe that has transferred to my bicycle 
preferences as well. Having said that, I can appreciate a nice orange 
Rivendell. Are you still planning to buy a Clem L and build it up?
Doug Hansford

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 10:10:49 AM UTC-4, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> OK, I have to weigh in because my favorite color is orange. I am a student 
> of orange. True orange is a bit like red, in that a little goes a long way.
>
> In 2015, when I went to Riv to pick a bike in any color as long as it was 
> orange, I picked the Cheviot over the Clem L. Part of the reason I went 
> with the Cheviot was it was a nicer shade orange. The trick with 'good' 
> orange is that it not have any neon effect, errs on the side of red, not 
> pink, and is saturated. The Cheviot orange was darn near perfect, whatever 
> its color number might have been.
>
> P.S. I took my love of orange and bicycles, and the extra height, as sure 
> signs I was part Dutch. Ancestry.com has (orange) crushed that dream.  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

Dang, the bolt is too short. I thought I was the only one who just when I 
think I have the right parts, it doesn't work! Gash in the stem aside, that 
steel looks nice and strong. Hopefully you'll get it working just right 
soon. I'm a fan of nice clean chromoly parts on a bicycle and silver 
cranks, stems, and bars look classy on your bike.
Doug

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> John asked for a photo when I swapped the bolts. I tried that 
> tonight...bolt is too short. Sigh. But he asked for photos that show the 
> shelf that the nut is supposed to rest against. (I think.)
>
> Here are photos of the area in question. I hope you can see what you were 
> looking for because I’m never taking that nut off again. I’m worried I’m 
> going to wear it out and it will let me know on my way down Killer Hill.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 PM, CB > 
> wrote:
>
> Aside from BBDD's stem issue, a number have noted that the sleeved bars 
> sometimes creak. I would expect that the sleeve is inflexible when clamped 
> properly in the stem. The bars flex quite a bit, and the flexing may deform 
> the inner bar a tiny bit at the ends of the sleeve and cause the creak.
>
> A similar effect might be expected between the stem clamp and bars for 
> non-sleeved bars, but in that case tightening the clamp would reduce the 
> deformation.
> -- 
> Carl
>
> On June 23, 2020 6:04:56 PM PDT, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>>
>> The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr mark 
>> on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my slightly 
>> obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the dang thing 
>> got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper and knock it 
>> down! 
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[RBW] Queen -- Bicycle

[Doug Hansford]

Not exactly Rivendell related but it sort of is. Just ride.
https://youtu.be/GugsCdLHm-Q

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

[Doug Hansford]

Deacon,
Thank you for sharing. I enjoyed every photo. Nature is truly a gift and 
exploring by bicycle must be the most efficient and perfect way to wander. 
I couldn't help but admire your two-finger coffee cup. What tire pressure 
do you use when riding trails like these? 
Doug Hansford

On Sunday, June 21, 2020 at 6:02:51 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm 
> to wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black

[Doug Hansford]

Can't go wrong either way but I'd say the brown looks better. It blends 
> well with the frame color.
>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

Mark,
The same thoughts went through my head today as I drove my 2002 Toyota 
4Runner that has more than 205,000 miles on it. It runs so well and is 
solid and just well-made. But, it has a few rattles and quirks that I can 
live with that don't affect the performance or safety. Leah's bike and 
components are of course much newer and less complex than a 4Runner but 
nothing is exempt from slight noises and rattles. The stem/handlebar 
connection is important but if it is truly just a noise that doesn't seem 
to be leading to failure then one has to decide if they can or cannot live 
with it. When I start hearing a noise like that it's hard to unhear it or 
ignore it though. Oh to be on my BMX bike again not caring about the 
details.
Doug


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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

Wrenching bikes as needed can be frustrating but it's fun too. Lone Wolf 
Leah you are tuned to every single noise a bike makes, just as I am. I 
think there was a time I didn't focus so much on noises; but, as I started 
installing and switching out parts I think I paid more attention to noises 
and such. I had to really torque a single bolt stem when I used the Bosco 
bars because they apply such force to the connection based on leverage I 
guess. I hope you get it solved.
Doug Hansford

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:48:36 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
> correctly! 
>
> I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re 
> the second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. 
> But why? I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I 
> had the 225 mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
> replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
> concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
> parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
> in the past.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your 
>> son's bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for 
>> the asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this 
>>> stem - where do I get it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy <http://youtube.com/CampyOnlyGuy>  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
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>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>>>
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>>
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut doe

[RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

[Doug Hansford]

I agree with you aeroperf, there is nothing for the nut to "grab" when 
tightened down. A star washer or split/lock washer should help.
Doug

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 1:44:40 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> When Leah posted about buying her stem, I went out and got one, too (and 
> within a week of her posting).
> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put a 
> star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
>
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
No laughing induced. They look great and as I said form follows function. I 
think Oakley makes darn fine sunglasses and are good for cycling or whatever. 
Good choice I think for you style wise. Joe is the MAN for Oakleys. 
Doug Hansford 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus story

[Doug Hansford]



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> I managed to open the link (and other NYT stories) using Safari in "private" 
> mode; I get 5 articles at a time, then have to clear the cache and start 
> again.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 6:01 AM Doug Hansford  
>> wrote:
>> Steven,
>> I wanted to read the story but I'm not a subscriber to the NY Times. Is the 
>> article available elsewhere?
>> Doug Hansford
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 7:57:56 AM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/science/platypuses-australia-wildfires.html?referringSource=articleShare
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[RBW] Re: Platypus story

[Doug Hansford]

Steven,
I wanted to read the story but I'm not a subscriber to the NY Times. Is the 
article available elsewhere?
Doug Hansford

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>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Jason,
Do the Granola bars only come in 31.8 clamp diameter? If so, which stem are 
you using? I like the look of the bar and the sweep is not as far back as 
the Bosco which I like, even on the long TT Clem.
Thanks,
Doug Hansford

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 9:48:25 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Hey Doug, they are VO Granola bars - I like the "middle ground" amount of 
> sweep, I find it gives me better control. Similar to the Jones bars. I may 
> end up with Albatross one day, though. 
>
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 05:26:24 UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> Jason,
>> Which bars are you using on your Clem?
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 1:48:29 AM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
>>> any of these jumps!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Nice to meet you Kim! I'm sure Bridgestone was a cool place to work just as 
Rivendell for sure must be. Bike-centric and people friendly. I've never 
been to Rivendell headquarters but have spoken to Grant by phone a couple 
of times and he's genuine and really wants his customers to get the right 
bicycle and just ride. His book drew me to Rivendell in the first place and 
I've been a fan since, even though I don't currently own a fully built 
Rivendell bike. But, I've set my other bikes up according to the "Just 
Ride" philosophy and enjoy riding more than ever before. Leah's Clementine 
is a good example of making a bike uniquely your own even if it isn't a 
custom.
Doug Hansford

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:43:24 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
> hey doug. you don't know me but i feel like i know you. lol
>
> omg leah!! i will get you back for this. dude where did you even find 
> that? I was seriously hung over in that pic (because bridestone reps were a 
> v. bad influence!) yikes, that was a hundred years ago. ugghhh I used to be 
> in mint condition. Now I am like a scratch and dent floor model. ha haha
>
> It's funny b/c when I agreed to do that catalogue thing, grant says to me: 
> be sure to bring your riding clothes, because we will all definitely go on 
> a ride. (tho I had been working in shops most my life, I was never the 
> pro-shop cyclist.) In other words, riding clothes meant whatever I had on 
> at the moment.  I remember thinking ogod please no! Because any kind of 
> riding that required special stretchy clothing and the weird shoes was sure 
> gonna kill me.  I tried squirming out of it, but they plied me with the 
> promise of after-ride beer and pizza! (The whole riv ethos sure has changed 
> !)
>
> And the bridgestone headquarters...  you can imagine - It was like 
> entering the willy wonka factory. Orange and purple x0-1s all leaned up 
> next to the cubicles. EVERYONE commuted. I think some even had their babies 
> at work with them. It was one of the most creative atmospheres I'd ever 
> experienced.
>
> So anyways thank you!!
> This place is similarly inspiring.
> sending hugs!!
>
>
>
>
> [image: IMG_2491.JPG]
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:08 AM Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> She’s famous, alright! 
>>
>> I’m so excited for you to get your Rivendell, Kim. You’ll have to be a 
>> little more prolific on this forum when you do! You know, all the photos... 
>>
>> I get so much joy from my #RivSisters. Riv brothers are good, too!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Doug Hansford > > wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang. 
>> But, all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
>> Doug Hansford
>> "Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro
>>
>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha. busted. 
>>> I so wish I was humble!
>>> I think I’m on eBay for $5. 
>>> think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)
>>>
>>> I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the 
>>> klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really 
>>> advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a 
>>> lot here, so thank you!
>>> I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I 
>>> loved the klunker vids. btw.)
>>>
>>> BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day 
>>> now.
>>> (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed 
>>> up.) 
>>>
>>> Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
>>> ✊
>>>
>>> (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I 
>>> think. Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink 
>>> dirtdrop I just might have to gift you.)
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I 
>>>> think there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>>>>
>>>> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

I'm a little slow so I still have no idea who you are Kim, Flowerfang. But, 
all RivSisters are cool and riding Rivs is cool.
Doug Hansford
"Not anonymous in Watkinsville, GA" #RivBro

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
>
> Haha. busted. 
> I so wish I was humble!
> I think I’m on eBay for $5. 
> think we’ve given up more than enough clues with that ;)
>
> I really try not to covet your Clem’s. I was always more the 
> klunker/strandie/derelict bike queen. When the discussion gets really 
> advanced, I feel like a Bud drinker at a wine tasting. But I am learning a 
> lot here, so thank you!
> I think Craig Montgomery is my homie and he can vouch for me? (Matthew I 
> loved the klunker vids. btw.)
>
> BUT I do have a snail-boot frame in the pipeline!!Will be any day now.
> (Oops -meant Susie Longbolts frame. I get all the hyphenates so mixed up.) 
>
> Would be an honor to be a sis: Ryan, Joe, Leah et. al.
> ✊
>
> (Pswho got the kookas for their Susie build? It must be Mark I think. 
> Are you going pink and orange !!?? In any case, I got a pink dirtdrop I 
> just might have to gift you.)
>
> On Friday, June 12, 2020, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote:
>
>> "Kim, you’re so humble. You should tell them who you really are! I think 
>> there are photos from a rather beloved publication featuring Kim..."
>>
>> Tell the world, Kim! (btw Flowerfang is an awesome name ❤️)
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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Jason,
Which bars are you using on your Clem?
Doug Hansford

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> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
> any of these jumps!
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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Getting air on a Clem would be a feat indeed! That green is the best color 
for a Clem I think, with Grilver a close second. I'm enjoying all of these 
posts.
Doug Hansford

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> Puttered around on the Clem for a bit this afternoon - can't say I aired 
> any of these jumps!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Frank Jones 51cm

[Doug Hansford]

Wow. The lug work and paint is so nice on this bike. And, the build is top 
notch. Someone should grab this one!
Doug Hansford


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Re: [RBW] Re: Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

I've spent more than I care to admit on bicycles and bicycle upgrades over 
the years. But, that's part of the fun of it as a hobby and I would not 
begrudge anyone spending on their bikes. We aren't all bike mechanics or 
know how to install parts, etc. And, that's okay. LBShops can certainly use 
the business. I've dabbled in installing parts and adjusting brakes and can 
do a decent job. I'm even considering building up an Atlantis soon but have 
my LBS as a backup and I suspect I'll need their help. 
Doug Hansford

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 2:30:52 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> First, that price for that much labor - and how well it came out - is 
> practically free! Second, remind me to pay up next time instead of doing 
> the build myself. After finishing up my custom - which took AGES - and 
> dealing with the results of my arthritic wrenching hand doing stuff it 
> would rather not anymore, I remembered Mark @ Riv asking, "Am I building it 
> or you?" Next time I'm paying up. I'm over it.  

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Doug Hansford]

I've not been a Rivendell consumer and fan for as long as many of you, just 
about 4 or 5 years. Does Grant usually come out with new frame designs 
every year or two or has he been stepping it up lately with more offerings?
Doug Hansford

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Yes, it's more road oriented than the Hillibikes, with shorter front 
> center, more bb drop. I think it's hard to judge the aesthetics of the 
> joints with the snapshot we have--those shadows don't help. Still, I don't 
> see a problem with it, and for road riding it gives plenty of extra 
> clearance. I like that it's not the same as the Hilli in that regard, 
> though there is the rumor that potentially significant changes could be 
> made.
>
> Also looks like different fork. Hoping it will be tig-welded, or, as the 
> Hillibikes were first conceived, some of both (but that seems unlikely). I 
> just bought a Susie, so not flush, but I would buy a $900 f/f  tig version* 
> when it comes out. Just because it looks cool, and I know the ride will be 
> lots of fun. And I probably have all the parts I would need.
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:05:42 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>> What looks bad to me is the curved top tube of the Gallop joining the 
>>> seat tube at a significantly higher point than on the Gus/Susie. It almost 
>>> merges with the seat cluster of the Gallop and that detracts from each 
>>> element. If you're going to drop the top tube you might as well provide a 
>>> little more clearance.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> How is it different from the Gus/Susie? Tig welding versus fillet 
>>> brazing? That may allow for a major price break. The Gus/Susie family are 
>>> now $1800 for a frameset.
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> Shorter top tube to allow for drops?
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> And, we don't know if there will be 650b and 700c variants in the size 
>>> ranges.
>>>
>>
>> David Lipsky
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Next Level Clementine is such a nice name for your bicycle. I think 
changing out parts, components, wheels and tires does make every bike 
unique. I did that on my BMX bike as a kid and still do that to my bikes. 
Racks, bags and bells..oh my! Leah you seem to be riding daily and upping 
your mileage? I like to ride at least a few miles a day and take some 
longish rides on the weekends. Happy trails.
Doug Hansford
Watkinsville, GA

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:02:27 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Thanks, Joe. I do so love it. I never get tired of color, I suppose. And I 
> love the idea of having a Clem different from everyone else’s. Let’s see if 
> I can pull off the same for the upcoming Platypus.

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[Doug Hansford]

Not a bike name but handlebars. I like the mashup of Albatross and Mustache 
bars...Albastache. Descriptive and simple.
Doug

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I think GP would ask him and he would say no. 

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[RBW] Welcome New Bike Riders PSA

[Doug Hansford]

This is a cool video that was made in response to the recent surge in 
bicycle sales. Phil Gaimon has advice for new riders as well as experienced 
cyclists about how to treat the newcomers.
Doug Hansford

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=21515138?utm_medium=email_campaign=ed94_content=iss110-pc2_source=threadloom

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

[Doug Hansford]

Roberta,
Such a nice build and a beautiful bicycle. A use a Riv Banana Sack too and 
it seems to hold so much more than you'd think looking at the outside 
dimensions. Do you like the 1x drivetrain so far? Do you ride many hills?
Doug Hansford

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> In April 2017, I rode a 2016 stock-built Rivendell Joe Appaloosa at Gravel 
> and Grind and fell in love.  James (formerly of G, now of Analog 
> Cycles) recommended a Brooks B-17 saddle, fenders, a rear rack, and I 
> happily pedaled away for the next three years.   My only change was to a 
> Brooks Flyer saddle.  
>
>
> I love the ride of the Appaloosa and rode it at home on the weekends.  When 
> I wanted another bike at my office for after work rides, I bought an A. 
> Homer Hilsen from a fellow RBW member.  My only issue with the Joe 
> Appaloosa was it was heavy for me to maneuver on mass transportation, 
> steps, and general lifting.  Now I had a lighter AHH, and that is the 
> bike I chose to travel with.
>
>
> But…I still loved the ride of the Appaloosa…it was just so…heavy.  A call 
> to James and Candice one day to talk about tubeless tires options, and I 
> was signing up to change nearly everything on it to lighten it and get an 
> even better ride.  I changed the saddle back to the B-17, removed the 
> heavy and too large for my use Carradice bags. Rack, fenders and kickstand 
> are too practical, so I kept them.  
>
>
> On Memorial Day weekend, I drove both bikes to Analog Cycles.  AHH got 
> 1.75” Gravel King tubeless tires and a shorter stem.  Instead of regular 
> grips, they wrapped the grip area with Fizik tape over gel.  Deity valve 
> caps in red for the finishing touch.   I didn’t need to change out 
> anything else on the bike—it already had dyno lighting and the correct 
> rims.   My new bag is a Sackville Banana Sax, just the perfect size!
>
>
> The Appaloosa got the most work.  They changed the handlebar from steel 
> Choco-moose to aluminum Albatross and changed my 3x8 (or 3x9, I forget) 
> drive train to a 1x11 with indexed shifting.  However, the biggest 
> difference came with the new wheels, tubeless tires and dyno lighting!  
> Candice 
> recommended purple spoke nipples and they look great with the butterscotch 
> frame.  Near the valve stem, she changed the colorway to gold, topped off 
> with chartreuse valve caps, and I think it looks smashing!I also got 
> nice cork grips that probably a “blend” because they have more give than 
> the Rivendell ones.   I also like the ergonomic “bulge” in the middle, 
> like the older cork grips Riv used to sell.
>
>
> The ride with the tubeless tires on both bikes, wheels built by Analog’s 
> master wheel builder Mark, is sublime.  The more I ride them, the more I 
> LOVE them.  They soak up the bad city pavement and cracks in the MUP 
> sidewalks.  Even going over railroad tracks isn’t jarring.  The tires 
> just “smush” to take up as much road vibrations as it can.  Yet, they are 
> not slow or plodding.  I explained it to Bicycle Belle Ding Ding, who was 
> anxiously awaiting delivery of her new wheels, this way:  “By the time I 
> get home from my rides, I feel so much less beat up and feel like I can 
> keep on going.The ride was so much more pleasant.”  It took a few days to 
> get to this state.  Every day I rode them I liked them so much more than 
> the previous day.  I think part of that is getting the psi down to my 
> optimal level.  On the day that the pressure felt too low and I just 
> pumped it up to 35 psi.  Over time, I’ll find my sweet-spot, pressure 
> wise.
>
>
> Then, there is Dyno lighting!  I can now just jump on the Appaloosa 
> without worrying if I charged my lights.  The Edulux light Analog speced 
> is so bright.  I have Busch + Muller IQ-XS on the AHH.  It’s very nice, 
> but not nearly as bright as the Edulux.
>
>
> Now the Appaloosa is light enough for me to pick up, move it around, even 
> carry it up steps if needed, or onto a train if there is no boarding 
> platform.  I just love it!  Candice, James, and Mark did a fantastic job 
> and I’m SO pleased.  They are easy to work with and are meticulous with 
> their work.  They picked the parts and basically, I said “OK.”
>
> Going tubeless took a lot of consideration.  I heard so much pros and 
> cons, but after speaking with James and Candice, I decided to take the 
> chance.  What would happen if I didn’t like it???—I’d take the goo out of 
> the tires and put in tubes.  And, I’d be out some money.   But, I’m so 
> glad (in the two weeks I’ve had the “new” bikes) I took the chance.  The 
> ride quality is AMAZING.  Beyond anything I could even imagine.
>
>
> Here are my new Appaloosa parts:
>

Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Leah is riding an Electric Light Orchestra or maybe she is conducting the 
orchestra. Was trying to think of an ELO song that suits this silly post of 
mine. Evil Woman for sure isn't good. Maybe Mr. Blue Sky? Ha. Nice ride and 
this is definitely a Next Level Clementine.
Doug

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:33:08 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Ok, I went digging and found my specs, for those of you who can’t believe 
> I wouldn’t post them. 
>
> Also, fun thing. My colorful spoke nipples light up under the Edelux light 
> and are delightful. I had to take the video myself while riding so it’s 
> awful, but you can get a glimpse. I’ll try and get someone to ride with me 
> and video it to see what it looks like from another perspective. 
>
> Joe - yes, that’s the sound and actually that was my sentiment about 
> pedestrians hearing the sound on the MUP and me not having to use the bell. 
> I hate using the bell. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem H or L 52

[Doug Hansford]

I have a lead on an H but that is true Mark. They often “find” frames in dusty 
corners of the building. 
Doug 

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> On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:43 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you give Riv a call to see if they have anything kicking around the 
> warehouse? I've heard stories.
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 5:21:52 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>> I'll try again even though these are hard to find. I'm wanting a frame but 
>> will take a complete bike. I plan to buy the upcoming Platypus but since 
>> that won't be until years end I would like a frame to build up. If you have 
>> a Clem H, or Clem L in 52 and are looking to sell, let me know. Would also 
>> consider aCheviot, Atlantis or Rosco Bubbe. I'm really just itching to build 
>> a bike up.
>> Doug Hansford
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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
That ‘tricked out’ Clem is fantastic. The sum of the parts equals stylish 
delight. I think making a non-custom bike yours creates a custom bike! There 
are other Clems but that one is yours and there are none like it. Congrats on 
your persistence and for sharing the results. I like it!
Doug Hansford

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> On Jun 4, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Weeks ago, I took my 2019 Clementine to a bike shop for a major makeover. I 
> plunked down the money to make my only bike (until the Playpus arrives) a 
> Next Level Clementine. I decided I’d finally get dyno, which I’d never had an 
> longed for for years, and I’d get new wheels and tubeless tires to lighten up 
> my heavy bike. I’d seen Analog’s beautiful work on Instagram, and dyno and 
> hand built wheels and tubeless tires are their wheelhouse. Candice and James 
> created and shipped the most colorful, beautiful wheelset/tires/dyno you 
> could ever imagine. Ever. Now all I needed was a mechanic. But this is Vegas, 
> and good bike shops are hard to come by.
> 
> These are the days of COVID 19 and bike shops are overburdened everywhere. I 
> don’t have any options close by, so I had to point the van SW and drive 35 
> miles, deep into Vegas. I got to the bike shop 20 minutes before opening and 
> there was already a line. I grabbed my Clem, secured my spot, waiting in the 
> sun. The mechanics came out to and explained no repairs, save simple flat 
> fixes, would be done - they were swamped. I turned around and put my 
> Clementine back on the rack. From the parking lot, I called several bike 
> shops (one had 6 handwritten pages of names on their waitlist) and found only 
> one that could 1. Accept my bike (other shops were too full to take more 
> bikes) and 2. Get the bike back to me in less than a month. The catch was 
> that the place was called Pro Cyclery. Yikes. How can I show up at a place 
> like that with a bike like mine? They will laugh me out of the parking lot. 
> They will think I brought them a beach cruiser. 
> 
> I bit back tears. I looked back at my fancy Analog wheels. And then I pointed 
> the van in the direction of Pro Cyclery, arriving 15 minutes later.
> 
> When I arrived there were employees apologizing to a mother-son duo that they 
> could not get parts, due to a worldwide shortage. There was carbon fiber and 
> drop bars and mountain bikes everywhere; it was just as I imagined. An 
> employee met with me to write up my ticket. I had a long list for him. The 
> list was:
> 
> ~Remove old wheels and install Analog wheels (tubeless tires were already set 
> up and ready)
> ~Hook up dyno
> ~Adjust brakes, which were too loose
> ~Grease stem
> ~Adjust derailleurs
>  ~Check click in pedal - bottom bracket?
> ~ Install new 38 tooth front chain ring (had a 35 and it was too easy) and 
> trouser guard
> ~ Install new Kool Stop ebike brake pads 
> ~ Check rear fender to make sure it’s correct because some idiot (me) 
> installed it. Without taking off the rear wheel. 
> 
> The mechanic looked at me uneasily. He said he was sure his more experienced 
> mechanic would help us. “Is this going to be ok?” I asked. “Do you ever hook 
> up dyno here?” 
> 
> “Well, I see them at community bike projects. But I can’t see how I’m going 
> to hide this wire,” he said, frowning at my fork .
> 
> The shop really stretched itself to figure out how to set up the dyno (they 
> even called Candice), but when they were done they were really proud of their 
> work. They used fancy metal clamps instead of zip ties, something I’m not 
> sure they ever have cause to do. They hated drilling into my pretty VO 
> fender, but they did it with great precision. They cleaned that bike until it 
> sparkled - and this is no exaggeration if you’ve seen RBW Blue paint. They 
> recognized my bike for what it was - “Whoever made this bike really cares 
> about quality. We know quality when we see it. We don’t see bikes like this 
> come through the shop.” By the time I arrived to pick it up, they had all 
> ridden my bike and they LOVED it. I brought my bars to show them I was 
> swapping out the 55 cromoly Bosco bars for the 52 aluminum Boscos. The senior 
> mechanic said, “Oh, no! That will change how this bike rides and this bike 
> rides perfect! It’s so nice - we’ve all ridden it and it’s so smooth! If I 
> were you I wouldn’t be concerned with weight.” Hahaha - you can all feel the 
> irony of the words leaving his lips in a room full of carbon bikes with a 
> sign on the building saying Pro Cyclery.
> 
> Anyway, I paid them way more money than they initially quoted me (oh well, 
> it’s a Next Level Clem), left them a 6 pack of chilled hard cider and drove 
> home. I swapped 

[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Doug Hansford]

Leah,
I could use a good laugh so post your photo! Just kidding, form follows 
function should be the rule for sunglasses.
Doug

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Hi guys, 
>
> I had already impulse purchased the clear glasses when I wrote this post. 
> I had tried my shooting glasses but they didn’t seat well under my helmet, 
> bounced up and down and they weren’t optically correct, so it made things 
> worse and I tossed them in my bag after minutes of wearing them and went 
> bare-faced instead. As soon as I got home I went to Oakley’s website and 
> ordered a pair of Radar Pitch glasses with clear lenses. I knew they would 
> play well with my helmet (so many cyclists wear them), they were 20% off 
> and I was just so completely fed up with not having night glasses that I 
> plunked down the money. 
>
> But then that brought me to sunglasses. Once I read sunglasses reviews and 
> saw that people were saying things like: 
> ~I don’t have wind making my eyes tear anymore 
>
> ~I don’t have sun coming in through the top of my glasses 
>
> ~I can see images crisply on the road [Oakley’s Prism technology] 
>
> ~My peripheral vision is so much better with the wraparound 
>
> ~My glasses don’t bounce around on my runs anymore, they stay put 
>
> Well, THAT was when I realized I have all those same issues with lifestyle 
> sunglasses. And I live in the desert with like 300 days of sun, and there 
> isn’t a day that goes by that I am not outside exercising in it. Running, 
> biking, swimming, walking. I was accustomed to the above annoyances, but 
> now I don’t have to be. I’m going to look a *little* rad, not a lot rad, 
> and that seems like a fair trade-off. I did buy a pair of sunglasses that 
> were really on sale and if you behave yourselves and refrain from laughing 
> and pointing, I might just show them to you. 藍 
>
> Lone Wolf Leah

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[RBW] Re: Pedals

[Doug Hansford]

Steve,
I have tried the Shimano pedals with SPD on one side and flat on the other 
and could never get comfortable using them. The pedal always seemed to have 
the side I needed facing downward. Thanks for the feedback.
Doug

On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:46:44 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> As on so many things, I'm of two minds.  I want to be able to jump on my 
> bike and run some errands without worrying about what shoes I'm wearing.  I 
> find, however, for longer planned pleasure rides being clipped in gives me 
> a sense of security.  I would also add that living in an urban area, SPDs 
> allow me to not worry about starting up from a stop.  I simply don't need 
> to make certain the pedal is in a specific location, e.g., 10 a.m..  
>
> My answer has been to equip my bikes with pedals that give me the options 
> I want, one side SPD, the other flat.  My favorite, although not cheap, is 
> the Shimano XT PD-T8000.  Unlike every other pedal I've used, when I 
> unclip, they rotate to vertical and allow me to easily switch to flats, 
> which I do when I'm stopping, or continue with the SPDs.  Good luck on you 
> search.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:46:34 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me 
>> to thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals 
>> after using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. 
>> My current are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the 
>> article below:
>>
>> https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/
>>
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Jan's post

[Doug Hansford]

Would you come to the defense of a post supporting a cause you don’t believe 
in? Just wondering if your outrage would be evenly applied to other causes. 
Doug

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> On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:27 PM, j.schwartz  wrote:
> 
> 
> It appears that Jan's post was taken down.  Either he took it down himself or 
> the moderator did.
> 
> For those of you that missed it , Jan is offering to pass on the revenue from 
> Bicycle Quarterly subscriptions to Black Lives Matter 
> LINK HERE
> 
> If his original post was taken down by anyone other than Jan,  I find this 
> deeply disturbing.
> 
> There are currently active posts on this RBW Owners Bunch google group 
> related to fly fishing rods, "wrenching for the homeless" , Nikon cameras and 
> someone seeing advice on a recumbent bike for their dad
> 
> None of those are really in line with what this group is supposed to discuss. 
> 
> Jan is offering a magazine that most, if not all, members would be interested 
> in and letting the group know that currently he's donating those funds to an 
> organization.Grant has done similar promotions to inspire his customer 
> base to buy items that would benefit a cause.
> 
> If the cause Jan is supporting doesn't appeal to you, then don't buy the 
> magazines.   But, if this group can't handle the content of Jans' post or is 
> somehow offended by the prospect of supporting Black Lives Matter, then that 
> is a sad reflection on the nature of this online community.
> 
> I suspect this group is comprised of mostly older white men.   That is 
> important to keep in check when analyzing why this post may have been 
> removed. 
> I would like to know why it is gone.  
> I do hope Jan removed it himself.
> 
> 
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[RBW] WTB: Clem H or L 52

[Doug Hansford]

I'll try again even though these are hard to find. I'm wanting a frame but 
will take a complete bike. I plan to buy the upcoming Platypus but since 
that won't be until years end I would like a frame to build up. If you have 
a Clem H, or Clem L in 52 and are looking to sell, let me know. Would also 
consider aCheviot, Atlantis or Rosco Bubbe. I'm really just itching to 
build a bike up.
Doug Hansford

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[RBW] Pedals

[Doug Hansford]

I saw an interesting article about innovative pedal design and it got me to 
thinking. Why do I use the pedals that I use? I like platform pedals after 
using clipless for many years for both road riding and single track. My current 
are Shimano steel. Which pedals do you use and why?  Link to the article below:

https://newatlas.com/bicycles/bike-pedals-unique/

Doug Hansford

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Doug Hansford]

Jan,
I was too quick to criticize you and I apologize. These are not normal times 
and so I think off-topic may be on topic with all that has been happening in 
our world. Again, I hope your fundraiser is successful and I think your 
intentions are Obviously noble. 
Kind regards,
Doug

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[RBW] BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

[Doug Hansford]

Really? Don’t turn this into a political discussion? Throw this out there and 
basically shush discussion. Okay. If this isn’t off topic I don’t know what is 
for a cycling forum. But I wish you well in your cause. 
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Doug Hansford]

I've never had a pair of Oakley glasses that weren't good. Oakley, to me, 
is worth the extra money. I posted a similar question here in the past 
couple months and my man Joe Bernard hooked me up with THREE pair of 
Oakley. I gave two of them to my sons and kept the EV Zero. They have good 
coverage, are light weight, and the lens works great in all levels of 
light, except for darkness. I plan to get a pair of clear lens glasses 
soon. I'm glad your eye is okay Leah, sounds really painful.
Doug

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 5:45:35 PM UTC-4, Glen wrote:
>
> Check out Smith glasses with interchangable lenses. Also, I have always 
> found yellow lenses better for low light conditions than clear since they 
> seem to increase contrast.
>
> Steep and Cheap has Smiths on sale quite often (just about always) and 
> Smiths' warrantee and customer service is amazing.
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words 
>> I need to get out.
>>
>> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
>> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
>> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
>> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
>> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
>> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
>> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
>> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
>> never leave without sunglasses. 
>>
>> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
>> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
>> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
>> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
>> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
>> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
>> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
>> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
>> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
>> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
>> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
>> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
>> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>>
>> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
>> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
>> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
>> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>>
>> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>>
>> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
>> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
>> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
>> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
>> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
>> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
>> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
>> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
>> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
>> bike. 
>>
>> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
>> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>>
>> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
>> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
>> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
>> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>>
>> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
>> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
>> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
>> factor here. *
>>
>> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
>> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Silver crankset

[Doug Hansford]

What is the crank length?
Doug

On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:20:57 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> Silver crankset as shown. Some normal scratching from use but overall 
> great shape. This was taken from my wife’s Clem - converting to 1x with her 
> ride. Rings are 38/24, but I also have a 34 chainring and smaller rivendell 
> guard I can install - buyer preference. Please send PM for interest. 
>
> $165 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Doug Hansford]

Lithocarpus,
I'm curious about the drivetrain on your awesome Atlantis. What's your 
crankset and cassette? Which shifters do you use?
Thanks,
Doug

On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 12:07:46 AM UTC-4, Lithocarpus wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_7215.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_7216.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_7214.jpg]
> Well, Pancake's post prompted me to go up Partrick today for my evening 
> ride.  It was gorgeous up there.  Lots of sheep and two rattlesnakes, but 
> no Rebobs.   
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 7:09:51 PM UTC-7, Bill Rhea wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Pancake, that stretch of Partrick Rd near the top is one of my favorites. 
>> Always worth the brutally steep parts just to get up there.  Still no rebob 
>> sitings for me
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Low

[Doug Hansford]

You are correct Mark. That is the first gen Clementine. Thanks for the info.
Doug

On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 7:18:45 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Cautionary note: That is not a Clem L, that is one of the original orange 
> Clementines, a somewhat different beast. I had an orange Clementine with 
> Albatross, worked fine. But also, Albatross is not Albastache. So the newer 
> geo Clem L/Albastache combo, as Joe points out, will be a bit of a reach.
>
> Still, with a short reach stem, I would think totally doable. Whether it 
> would change the handling feel in a negative way, you might have to 
> experiment. Certainly would be rideable. I was tempted to try drops on my 
> Clem L just for fun, might give it a try on my upcoming Susie (initial plan 
> is going with the Choco-,moose I got from Joe. And really, I have plenty of 
> drop bar bikes around.)
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 3:13:49 PM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> Here is a Clem L with Albatross bars for sale in Dallas. It might give 
>> you some ideas about how to set up yours. I would be interested in it but 
>> Orange isn't for me.
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>>
>> Pedals, I'm a huge fan of the big platform on Deity Black Kats. Analog 
>>> Cycles sells them in just about any color you can imagine. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[Doug Hansford]

Okay boomer...Just kidding Deacon Patrick. Your comment made me think back 
to doing research papers and such in high school, before we had the 
internet. Libraries and old newspaper articles on microfilm were sources. 
I'm not implying I'd want to go back to those times but they were so 
different it's sometimes hard to remember how things were. Was it Abe 
Lincoln who once tweeted "technology makes wise men of fools"? Probably 
not. haha
Doug

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:13:58 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
>> confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 27, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old 
>> British movies.  
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Trinian's_School
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Low

[Doug Hansford]

Here is a Clem L with Albatross bars for sale in Dallas. It might give you 
some ideas about how to set up yours. I would be interested in it but 
Orange isn't for me.
Doug

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html


Pedals, I'm a huge fan of the big platform on Deity Black Kats. Analog 
> Cycles sells them in just about any color you can imagine. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Slowly reappearing

[Doug Hansford]

I'm sorry to hear you've had health problems too. And, I've heard from 
others that the Ogre is a bit of a sloth, heavy feeling. I'm also looking 
for a lower top tube bike for ease of getting on and off. I'm past the 
"girls bike" thing and think the Clem L looks tough and capable for a 
do-anything bike.
Doug Hansford

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[RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug Hansford]

It's funny, I don't remember the hard plastic (red, like my mags) being 
uncomfortable. But, I was 12 years old and my bum was just happy to be on 
my bike! Accessories and upgrades for my bike definitely added to the cost. 
I bought a set of red knobby tires with tan sidewalls at some point.
Doug

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:07:33 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I remember the colored Viscount saddles, luckily I never had one of 
> those!!! LOL. 
> Funny, thing with these bikes is most of them weren't too expensive, but 
> by the time I'm done upgrading them they double or triple in cost. 

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[RBW] Re: Slowly reappearing

[Doug Hansford]

Welcome back Eric. I look forward to reading about your bicycle journeys 
and such. What are you looking for in the Clem L that the Ogre didn't have? 
Doug

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>
> Just wanted to poke my head up and say "hi" to all the folks on the list 
> again. It's been a long time since the last post. A lot of things meant it 
> was no longer viable to monitor and contribute to the list. The changes 
> over the past few years have been both good and bad. And will just keep it 
> at that. 
>
> What made me come back? It was Clem. Jumped in on the latest pre-sale for 
> a 59. And to make it official, sold my non-Riv steel bike (Surly Ogre). 
> Don't worry, still have the 60cm Sam Hillborne for riding. And it's been 
> getting miles in this year. Have put more mileage on the past two months 
> than the prior two years combined. Why Clem? Been sorely tempted on one 
> ever since the first introduction. Life had a way of telling me it wasn't 
> time. Now, it's time. 
>
> So for now, it's good to be back and hope to have some pleasant 
> conversations with folks on bikes and stuff.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug Hansford]

Those are all sweet bikes masmojo. The colored saddles reminded me that I 
had a hard plastic saddle with air holes in it on my Mongoose. And, a 
fluted seatpost!
Doug

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 5:09:06 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> I never had a great BMX, bike, But as I do today; I tricked out the one I 
> had with red Tuff Mag wheels and Tuff Neck stem. Around 1978!?
> Then in 1981 (after a tip to Southern California) I started riding BMX 
> cruisers and I still ride them today!
> BMX cruisers are great because you still get that BMX feel on a bike big 
> enough for old Farts like me.
>
> I've got several:
> My Original Schwinn Heavy Duty Cruiser with Red 3 Piece cranks, Mongoose 
> Kos Kruiser forks and Handlebar, Custom wheels with Araya 7X rims!  
> Mongoose Kos Kruiser https://photos.app.goo.gl/DkMiFSDmCKi3c54SA
> A Kona A'Ha https://photos.app.goo.gl/gnjCA6LhwCqe8X7i7
> Breezer - Ignaz X https://photos.app.goo.gl/RST7kNuBBhkTSXRt5
> Electra BMX4 - Chromoly frame tricked out similarly to the Breezer above - 
> (no Current photo)
> SWOBO Folsom - https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZUd1MMopMH3UhgRN9
> Eastern -  Growler that I affectionatly refer to as Big Baby Due to her 
> Corpulent color - https://photos.app.goo.gl/cPeJdWczurdrSJr18
> AND
> my most recent acquisition - 
> Framed - Judgement 27.5 Cruiser -  
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/D4cAkpMLGQaaXNB87
>
> A Few more not worth listing . . . . 
> These are all the Cruisers I currently have; I've sold a few over the 
> years. Most notably a OM Flyer from 1981-2 era
>
> Thus proving that you can get older and never grow up!
>
> Obviously, i don't do jumps anymore, but I am slowly working on reviving 
> my Wheelie game.
>
> Great fun!!
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug Hansford]

I had forgotten about table tops!  I do remember “whoop dee doos”. That’s what 
we called the dirt mounds spaced close together and I could never figure out 
how to jump those gracefully. My bike was Chromoly with red mags and KKT 
Lightning flat pedals. Good times. 
Doug

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[RBW] Re: BMX Nostalgia

[Doug Hansford]

I remember my first BMX race in 1979 I used a paper plate (the wax coated 
kind of course) as my number plate although I really wanted a Haro plate. 
It was in Griffin Ga I think. And I wore my motorcycle helmet. Times were 
tough! Haha. But, I had a nice Mongoose bike and placed for a really small 
trophy.
Doug

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 10:47:37 AM UTC-4, greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
> BMX Plus, so awesome, or should I say, radical, totally forgot about that 
> magazine. Also, forgot about the full on BMX racing suits, the Haro number 
> plates, and Oakley B1B's, of which, everyone had to have.
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 9:52:28 AM UTC-4, Doug Hansford wrote:
>>
>> I found a website with uploaded copies of old BMX magazines circa 1979 
>> through the 80s. Looking at these takes me down memory lane, I'm sure I had 
>> some of these magazines at the time. It's fun to read the stories and the 
>> ads are funny and interesting. Take a look at one or two if you have 
>> interest...and memories.
>>
>> BMX Magazines <https://oldschoolmags.com/bmx_plus.html>
>>
>> Doug Hansford
>> Watkinsville, GA
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: He Ain't Heavy, He's My Clem Smith L('il Missy)

[Doug Hansford]

Mark,
Are you within the recommended weight range for the Susie? Not trying to 
get personal! I'm just curious as I think a heavier rider would be just 
fine on a Susie but Riv is likely being as conservative here as with their 
racks. I'm just above at 175 lbs but would not hesitate to ride one.
Doug Hansford

On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 10:11:53 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I haven't noticed it being so bad. It may be because there is a decent 
> amount of clearance--these are 700C   63mm  fenders  over 650b tires, so 
> extra width and depth. I guess it's also a matter of tread--maybe some 
> patterns pull the pebbles up into the rotation more than others? If I could 
> find a nice 650b that was 55-60 in a file tread I would be all for it, but 
> Switchbacks are 47mm ish, and I am not fond of the G-One Speed. However, I 
> impulsively ordered a Susie yesterday, so maybe I will go to something 
> smoother for El Clem and get some big bad 700c knobbies for Susie.
>
> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 6:07:02 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> Do you find the knobby tires and metal fenders make for a loud 
>> combination on gravel / dirt?  I have just slightly knobby tires with mine 
>> and it's a constant symphony of "bt bt clack bt" as small 
>> pebbles travel through - and I can feel when a rock hits one of the bolts! 
>> My plan is to put some slicks (Rat Trap Pass endurance casing) ASAP so it 
>> won't be an issue for too long 
>>
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[RBW] BMX Nostalgia

[Doug Hansford]

I found a website with uploaded copies of old BMX magazines circa 1979 
through the 80s. Looking at these takes me down memory lane, I'm sure I had 
some of these magazines at the time. It's fun to read the stories and the 
ads are funny and interesting. Take a look at one or two if you have 
interest...and memories.

BMX Magazines <https://oldschoolmags.com/bmx_plus.html>

Doug Hansford
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Re: [RBW] Re: Handling Effects of Shorter Stems (from the OT discussion in a previuos post on the New Sams in Sept)

[Doug Hansford]

Those are nice looking builds. Thanks for sharing Max. 
Doug

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> On May 22, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Max S  wrote:
> 
> http://www.peterverdone.com/some-bikes-are-more-evil-than-others/
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> http://www.peterverdone.com/airspeeder/
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> http://www.peterverdone.com/2018-pvd-bird-of-prey/
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> - Max “color me intrigued” in A2
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Doug Hansford]

I know I know. I’m just curious. I really want the lower bar bike like a Mixte. 
Im in!!

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> On May 13, 2020, at 7:28 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Doug, you can’t get an Atlantis anymore because you’re getting a Cheviot and 
> being in our club. 
> 
> So, nothing to see here, move along. 
> Leah
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On May 13, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>> 
>> Roberta,
>> I am not a Riv owner. I had a Clem H for awhile but sold it because I have a 
>> 90s GT mountain bike I built into an all around commuter kind of bike. And, 
>> the Clem was so similar. I decided to keep the GT and sell the Clem. I 
>> really like my GT. 
>> Over the past few years I’ve wanted a Rivendell but have yet to take the 
>> leap. I’ve owned many bikes over the years including a few Surlys. 
>> 
>> So, I don’t feel like I’ve ever REALLY owned a Riv. I’m looking forward to 
>> seeing and feeling what all of you have been saying about how they ride. If 
>> anyone could compare an Atlantis and a Cheviot i would be interested. 
>> Doug 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2020, at 6:58 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doug,
>>> 
>>> Are you a Riv owner now?  I don't remember.  The Atlantis is awesome!!  
>>> 
>>> 3 years ago I spent more money on my Joe A. than all the money I've spent 
>>> on all the bikes, gear, and maintenance in my entire lifetime.   Probably 
>>> by 2 or 3 fold.
>>> 
>>> The first Riv I rode was a MUSA Atlantis.  I knew I was going to be a Riv 
>>> owner from that first pedal stroke!  Then, a Chev and a Sam.  4 months 
>>> later, a Joe A (purchased) and 2 years after that, an AHH (purchased).   
>>> I'd been riding the same Specialized Hardrock for 30 years.  My Rivs are 
>>> the best money I've spent on "goods" and worth every penny.  Oh, the joy 
>>> they bring me.   And, because of them, the 10 fold increase in mileage that 
>>> I'm smiling the whole ride.  More exercise, more happy, more health.  Even 
>>> more friends.
>>> 
>>> Roberta
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 6:15:15 PM UTC-4, DHans wrote:
>>>> Great news Leah! Okay I said I wanted a Cheviot. But lately I’ve been 
>>>> looking hard at the Atlantis. I really want ONE bike to ride and am 
>>>> settled on spending more than I’ve ever spent on a bike. Not Joe’s custom 
>>>> kind of money but a lot for me. I really like the idea of a lower top tube 
>>>> since I’m no longer a spring chicken...53. 
>>>> 
>>>> So, yes, I’m a man who wants the Cheviot. Can we pre-order or do we wait 
>>>> and grab one when they arrive? 
>>>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Doug Hansford]

Roberta,
I am not a Riv owner. I had a Clem H for awhile but sold it because I have a 
90s GT mountain bike I built into an all around commuter kind of bike. And, the 
Clem was so similar. I decided to keep the GT and sell the Clem. I really like 
my GT. 
Over the past few years I’ve wanted a Rivendell but have yet to take the leap. 
I’ve owned many bikes over the years including a few Surlys. 

So, I don’t feel like I’ve ever REALLY owned a Riv. I’m looking forward to 
seeing and feeling what all of you have been saying about how they ride. If 
anyone could compare an Atlantis and a Cheviot i would be interested. 
Doug 

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> On May 13, 2020, at 6:58 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> Doug,
> 
> Are you a Riv owner now?  I don't remember.  The Atlantis is awesome!!  
> 
> 3 years ago I spent more money on my Joe A. than all the money I've spent on 
> all the bikes, gear, and maintenance in my entire lifetime.   Probably by 2 
> or 3 fold.
> 
> The first Riv I rode was a MUSA Atlantis.  I knew I was going to be a Riv 
> owner from that first pedal stroke!  Then, a Chev and a Sam.  4 months later, 
> a Joe A (purchased) and 2 years after that, an AHH (purchased).   I'd been 
> riding the same Specialized Hardrock for 30 years.  My Rivs are the best 
> money I've spent on "goods" and worth every penny.  Oh, the joy they bring 
> me.   And, because of them, the 10 fold increase in mileage that I'm smiling 
> the whole ride.  More exercise, more happy, more health.  Even more friends.
> 
> Roberta
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 6:15:15 PM UTC-4, DHans wrote:
>> Great news Leah! Okay I said I wanted a Cheviot. But lately I’ve been 
>> looking hard at the Atlantis. I really want ONE bike to ride and am settled 
>> on spending more than I’ve ever spent on a bike. Not Joe’s custom kind of 
>> money but a lot for me. I really like the idea of a lower top tube since I’m 
>> no longer a spring chicken...53.
>> 
>> So, yes, I’m a man who wants the Cheviot. Can we pre-order or do we wait and 
>> grab one when they arrive? 
>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Doug Hansford]

Joe,
Any idea what a complete build would cost?
Doug

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> On May 6, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Let's try that again in a photo you can actually see, shall we? 
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 10:21:23 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Leah, here's a comparison with my 55cm Cheviot and the green one I rode. My 
>> eye sees an ever so slightly lower tube on the Fancy, but they're both low 
>> anyway. When I was riding yesterday it was super easy to mount/dismount, and 
>> the frame felt like everything was way down there out of the way. I think 
>> you'd be fine with it as opposed to a 60, which is hardly even a mixte for 
>> our height! 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:55:40 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> One of the things I hoped is that the mixte tube is not, as Roberta calls 
>>> it, a trip-through. As in, let’s get the tube as low as we can. Is it just 
>>> me seeing what I want to see, or does the top tube appear nice and low?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

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Thanks Masmojo for the info.  In my online searching I liked the look of Rad 
Power bikes and their reviews are mostly positive. And they seem to be a U.S. 
company that stands behind their product. The removable battery makes charging 
easier. 
Doug

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 6:37 PM, masmojo  wrote:
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> I've got a Radwagon & I can vouch for their value & features, they are 
> pretty popular and well built as well as being one of the older Ebike 
> companies at this point with a variety of models. They are also doing 
> delivery in some major markets (like Austin).
> I had been contemplating an Ebike & a cargo bike, so it seemed like a perfect 
> opportunity to kill 2 birds with one stone. 
> Just got back from a grocery run to Target & back and it's ideal for those 
> quick little trips to get a couple bags of groceries.
> 
> Personally, I think every household should have at least 1 Ebike; so much 
> potential there to not only alter our traffic situation, but also our bike 
> infrastructure. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Inventory

[Doug Hansford]

I appreciate the info Keith. 
Doug

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> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:14 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> I talked to Vince today and mid-May is the expected time for Clems. 
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>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>> 
>> I’ll do that. Thank you, Keith. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:47 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I bought mine they told me the next opportunity would be mid-March or 
>>> so.  Email Spencer and ask.  He seems to be quickest with email responses.
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-8, DHans wrote:
>>>> I could call Riv and ask but I thought I’d check here first. Does anyone 
>>>> know when they will have the Clem L completes or frames back in stock? 
>>>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Inventory

[Doug Hansford]

I’ll do that. Thank you, Keith. 

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> On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:47 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> When I bought mine they told me the next opportunity would be mid-March or 
> so.  Email Spencer and ask.  He seems to be quickest with email responses.
> 
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>> I could call Riv and ask but I thought I’d check here first. Does anyone 
>> know when they will have the Clem L completes or frames back in stock? 
>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2020 Goals

[Doug Hansford]

Thanks all.  
Doug

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 6:42 AM, j.schwartz  wrote:
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> Congratulations to Joe and Doug! 
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Banana Sack

[Doug Hansford]

That’s part of the decision I need to make...the size saddle sack if I go that 
route. 

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> We also have to determine if Doug means Small Saddlesack like the grey one 
> that just got posted FS here, or the XS Leah is taking about. Banana Sax is 
> about smack dab in the middle of those two sizes. 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Clem Smith L 52 Grilver

[Doug Hansford]

I think it’s an H model but thanks for the heads up. 

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> Look a little further down the list. There is a new 52 for sale. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

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Efficient in my mind is the least amount of effort in traveling a given 
distance. I do understand that efficiency is not always the most important 
factor. If you enjoy fixed riding then keep on keeping on. And, I enjoy your 
ride reports Deacon. 
Doug

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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:50 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Doug wonders if fixed gear makes cycling less effecient. Less effecient at 
> what? Greatest speed per kilowatt? Gears are indoubtably more effeceint. 
> Greatest amount of fun per kilowatt? Personal preference. Greatest workout in 
> a given amount of time? Fixed gear, hands down. At some point I saw data 
> about the times of the Tour de France in relation to adopting first 
> freewheel, then gears vs. fixed. There is a reason free wheels and gears were 
> taken up. Doing so, however, come at a cost as well, all depending on what 
> you want from you riding experience.
> 
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug Hansford]

Eamon,
Grant introduced us to the company so I simply ask about his experience. If you 
are the gatekeeper to this group I wasn’t told. I’ll dismiss your advice. 
Doug

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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 12:41 PM, 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> Doug, this group is about Rivendell bikes, but not run by them. Try emailing 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug Hansford]

Does anyone know whether GP received his order?
Doug 

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> "orders" dept was copied in & asked to give me a status & tracking number, 
> but I've yet to hear anything.
> It's been two months and although I don't characterize myself as a suspicious 
> or paranoid person, I am starting to think there's a problem. I  suspect that 
> there's likely a disconnect between the web site/ management & production in 
> Ethiopia. 
> I certainly hope I am wrong, but they've got a week or so, before I follow up 
> with my credit card company.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Doug Hansford]

I say just ride. 

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> On Sep 16, 2018, at 11:43 PM, M Talley  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I see the curved second top tube of the new Atlantis inverted 
> here. Though probably thicker walled for this application. It reminds me how 
> now I see bicycle design in terms of palettes of tube selections. After 
> looking over what some of the new models out from Surly, All City and Salsa - 
> specifically the models able to accept wide tire like this Hill bike - I 
> thought these separate brands must share. To have a heavily shaped tube made 
> and have it make sense by scales of economy the other two brands might look 
> at it as a piece to add to a new model. Just guessing.
> 
>> On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 11:43:49 PM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see how 
>> it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>> 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>> 
>> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
>> Collin
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Mtn Bike = Clem L for Me?

[Doug Hansford]

That makes perfect sense Zed. So, you currently ride the L?
Doug. 

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> Hey Doug, having owned one of each:
> 
> If for you (the generic you, not necessarily actually you) the Clem is a 
> trail/rough-road bike, and you have good flexibility, the H makes more sense. 
> It's more rigid, and very obviously shows its old MTB inspiration.
> 
> If for you the Clem is a commuter and city bike, the L offers the easier 
> step-through, an easier way to carry it through doors (by grabbing the loop 
> of the frame. This has actually been way handier than I expected when I 
> switched), and somewhat less often mentioned is it makes the bike look a lot 
> more laid back for the same geometry and at least where I am drivers are 
> considerably more likely to stop and yield for me, and I get more smiles from 
> people. It gives that more 'urbane' look and there are benefits to that.
> 
> If you like nice details, the newer Clem L frames have the heart lug at the 
> seat tube, and that's a fancier touch.
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 1:46:16 PM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
>> I’ve been wondering what the appeal is of the L as opposed to the H Clem. Is 
>> it just the ease of stepping through/onto and off of the bike? 
>> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Doug Hansford]

I begrudgingly agree. The Bosco bars put loads of torque on the stem connection 
 to the point that I would worry about using them with a quill stem on single 
track. 

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> Yeah, I personally think a quill stem is a bad idea for an MTB.
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Doug Hansford]

Will the price be Clem like? I know, I know you said that’s all you have to say 
about that for now, channeling my Gump. But, I had to ask...
Doug from low humidity pleasant day in Athens, GA. Won’t get used to it

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> 
> Yeah, I'm gonna need this bike. I don't think I ever emailed anyone at Riv 
> about it, but I love the HHH fork and was hoping it would show up on a 
> not-tandem eventually. Take my money!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Commuting

[Doug Hansford]

That’s an impressive distance Patrick. I live in the hot and humid south and 
would sweat pretty good with that long of a commute. 
Doug

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> +1. I used to commute 15-20 miles each way, 7 miles of gradual climbing, on 
> everything, from $150 beaters to custom Rivendells; and with Rivendells, from 
> fully equipped 3X7s to a custom, stripped-down, lightweight custom Riv Road 
> gofast fixie. Fun whatever I was riding.
> 
> That said, for the perfect single-purpose Rivendell cross-town commuter, I'd 
> consider a Sam Hill or a Roadini.
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> I think practically every Riv would be great for that.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 07/21/2018 03:51 PM, Doug H. wrote:
>>> I commuted off and on for a few months on a Surly LHT but sold it and 
>>> stopped commuting. I want to start commuting a few days a week again. My 
>>> commute is all asphalt and is 9 miles each way...a little hilly. Is there a 
>>> Riv that would be great for that or would any old Riv do?
>>> Doug
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Photos on Riv Website

[Doug Hansford]

Thank you Roberta. 

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> On Dec 1, 2017, at 2:09 PM, REC  wrote:
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> Doug,
> 
> As much as I was rooting for you to get Andrew's Joe A, I'm so glad you got a 
> Riv.  I've had my Joe (my first Riv) for 7 months now (after 6 months of 
> deliberation) and still am so surprised how good it rides; absolutely no 
> regrets spending the money, because of the joy it has brought me.  I think 
> you will love your Clem just as much.  I wish you many happy miles.
> 
> Roberta
> 
>> On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 3:05:54 PM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>> I have one ordered. Looking forward to my first Rivendell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 51 Joe Appaloosa silver

[Doug Hansford]

$1400 shipped? I’m waiting on a Clem but a fully lugged bike would be cool. 

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> If any interest is piqued, I’m open to offers for a partial build as well. I 
> can use the levers, rear mech, maybe bars. I have a new set of smart sams 
> that will go with as well as big bens currently mounted. 
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Doug Hansford]

Jim,

The wording is this... 
   
   - SHIFTERS: SunRace thumbies. They click but aren’t indexed. Go figga... 
   but they’re re- ally good. Metal.  



On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 3:27:17 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 The clicking is probably an internal ratchet mechanism.  On an indexed 
 shifting system, the click of the lever or button corresponds directly to a 
 shift up or down in gearing.  That is not the case here.  The ratchet just 
 reduces the tendency of the lever to move - the cable is under slight 
 tension from the spring in the derailleur.  

 Don't really see the phrase you are quoting (the strange grouping of 
 shifter to gears...) but I'm only going by the Clem page and pdf.

 - J


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 Jim, that does help and I appreciate the response. I am just confused as 
 to why Riv says it is a strange grouping of shifter to gears. It seems that 
 you'll hear the click in the shifter but that may not necessarily coincide 
 with a shift. Anyway, I'm an amateur in this area and am just confused. 

 On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 2:02:37 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Hey there Doug - 

 Welcome to our merry band

 Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as a bike with friction 
 shifting.  By that, I mean that it's the shifters themselves which create 
 the indexing.  So - as long as derailleur is compatible with the shifting 
 mechanism (some systems use 1:1 cable pull, others 2:1) and the shifter has 
 as many steps as the number of cogs (8 speed shifters for 8 cogs, 9 for 9, 
 10 for 10, 11 for 11, etc...) it will work.

 If that's what you are comfortable with, then there's no reason not to 
 use them.  But, if you have a chance to ride with a simpler, more direct 
 connection like the silver or other shifters, you may find it more 
 intuitive and simpler.  I've found that the most indexed systems tend to 
 start shifting well and then slouch towards entropy.  Kind of feel that you 
 end up tweaking and tending to rather than riding (especially if you tend 
 to ride in a variety of conditions and terrain).  There are plenty of RBW 
 riders who have Shimano or Campagnolo shifters on their rigs.  

 hope that helps!

 - Jim


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 New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate 
 the input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a 
 question about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. 
 The Riv website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm 
 looking for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this 
 setup.

 Cheers,
 Doug



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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Doug Hansford]

New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate the 
input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a 
question about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. 
The Riv website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm 
looking for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this 
setup.

Cheers,
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. Index Shifters

[Doug Hansford]

Jim, that does help and I appreciate the response. I am just confused as to 
why Riv says it is a strange grouping of shifter to gears. It seems that 
you'll hear the click in the shifter but that may not necessarily coincide 
with a shift. Anyway, I'm an amateur in this area and am just confused. 

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 Hey there Doug - 

 Welcome to our merry band

 Strictly speaking, there's no such thing as a bike with friction shifting. 
  By that, I mean that it's the shifters themselves which create the 
 indexing.  So - as long as derailleur is compatible with the shifting 
 mechanism (some systems use 1:1 cable pull, others 2:1) and the shifter has 
 as many steps as the number of cogs (8 speed shifters for 8 cogs, 9 for 9, 
 10 for 10, 11 for 11, etc...) it will work.

 If that's what you are comfortable with, then there's no reason not to use 
 them.  But, if you have a chance to ride with a simpler, more direct 
 connection like the silver or other shifters, you may find it more 
 intuitive and simpler.  I've found that the most indexed systems tend to 
 start shifting well and then slouch towards entropy.  Kind of feel that you 
 end up tweaking and tending to rather than riding (especially if you tend 
 to ride in a variety of conditions and terrain).  There are plenty of RBW 
 riders who have Shimano or Campagnolo shifters on their rigs.  

 hope that helps!

 - Jim


 On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 10:49:22 AM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:

 New member here, first post. I am enjoying this group and appreciate the 
 input from all. I am also considering the Clem Smith Jr. and have a 
 question about the use of index shifters on a bike with friction shifting. 
 The Riv website says it is weird but won't cause issues while riding. I'm 
 looking for your thoughts and whether anyone has any experience with this 
 setup.

 Cheers,
 Doug



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