[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[Matt Beecher]

If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they 
haul your stuff and set up your tent.  Getting a hotel will likely be 
nearly impossible, given the number of people attending.  

I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it 
up at night.  The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly 
destroyed my bag.  Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to 
guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the 
brand new heavy canvas bag instead.  I tried holding it together with a 
cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days.  A lot of 
items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I 
had to haul it myself.  Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage 
service side of the trip.  

However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers 
every evening.  

One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot.  It got me off 
of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days.  

The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone.  I'd make sure you 
have a power bank available.  

Good luck,
Matt

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>
> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>
> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
> others?
>
> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>
> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

[matt miller]

I wonder if it will start close to Omaha this year since it was the 
northern route last year? 
A very good friend did it last summer. He got an RV, and his wife drove 
(and worked remote). He reserved a lot of RV spots that were NOT with the 
main group. Had a blast, but a couple of those days were pretty rough. I 
think last year was one of the toughest years.

Is BRAN still happening? As a photojournalist in Omaha, I covered RAGBRAI a 
couple years, and also went out to BRAN once. I thought the BRAN folks were 
pretty hardcore.

Matt in STL

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 12:21:49 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> I snapped a shot one RAGBRAI of a bank clock at 6 pm sharp. Still 106F. 
> Thank goodness for plenty of cold beer. 
>
> Jock
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 2:50 PM Sarah Carlson  
> wrote:
>
>> Just watched the RAGBRAI documentary and can totally understand how you 
>> could be called to join a community of riders who support each other 
>> through an exciting challenge. It makes me want to go too except for 
>> when I heard one of the guys commenting, "It's 105 degrees." That gave me 
>> pause! 
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 3:33:07 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Who knows about Bike Film Festival? 
>>>
>>> I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money 
>>> well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard 
>>> of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure 
>>> out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And 
>>> I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene 
>>> AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even 
>>> know that I’m gone so maybe I should ride this epic ride!
>>>
>>> There are a ton of logistics I don’t understand. I think you need a 
>>> “charter” to haul your stuff, yes? And to bring you back across the state 
>>> after you finish? And if you use these “charters” do they trash your bike 
>>> in their racks or will they have something that can handle a a mixte with 
>>> fenders? Is there are charter that is more friendly to Riv bikes than the 
>>> others?
>>>
>>> Also, no camping. I’m really hoping to end up in a hotel or some sort of 
>>> dwelling. I don’t have any tents, don’t know how to pitch tents and so on. 
>>> This may be the thing I can’t plan my way out of, because there are so many 
>>> riders moving through tiny host towns.
>>>
>>> I’ll look up more info tonight after I get my chores done! But it really 
>>> is so exciting to imagine riding my bike across a whole state… Also, it’s 
>>> Real Winter here in Michigan, so maybe that’s why this hits different.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[matt miller]

Nice Ram. Prettu 
blue.https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Rambouillet-54-/325944867343?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 12:18:30 AM UTC-6 chungeu...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Also cross posting here.
>
> 45cm Clem Smith Jr - $1950
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/san-mateo-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7695219731.html
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Sam 56cm just outside Asheville 
>>
>> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/hendersonville-sell-or-trade-rivendell/7696749429.html
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:05:09 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Roadini 54m FF + in OH
>>> $1200 +
>>>
>>> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/bik/d/mason-rivendell-roadini-frameset-new/7696448569.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 5:44:16 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
 60cm Simpleone frameset - $600 - Bikelist.com - 

 https://bikelist.com/listings/60cm-rivendell-simple-one-frame-set-368513588

 62cm Quickbeam bike - $1100 - Facebook group
  Look at this post on Facebook 
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/6601091443332566/?mibextid=S66gvF

 Philip
 No connections to the sellers

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:09:26 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Roadini, 61cm
> $2400, Orange!
> Seattle, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>
> Romulus, 24"
> $850
> Bellingham, WA
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>
> Legolas, 59cm
> $3400
> Portland, OR area
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>
> Atlantis, 61cm
> $2500
> Port Townsend, WA
>
> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>
> Appaloosa, 56cm
> $2000
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Stuff Day

[matt miller]

Looks wonderful. It looks like your rando has an anchor on the top, but not 
decaleur. Can you tell and share more?

Thanks, Matt in STL

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 10:16:20 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love that you are loving your Platypus.  I so enjoy these updates.  That 
> bike can do it ALL!  Can't wait for more updates and ride reports.
>
> On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 11:05:51 PM UTC-5 Ben C wrote:
>
>> Great ride report! Some lovely platypus inspirational build stuff going 
>> on here also. That rack and that bag look great. I'm surprised how good the 
>> black fenders look on this, too.
>>
>> -ben in lex, still putting new parts as they come in on his platypus
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 9:52 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> I spent the morning mounting up some bike stuff I've been acquiring 
>>> recently. A B-17 to replace it's predecessor a C-17 (not a bad saddle, but 
>>> not in the same comfort league as the B models, though your keister may 
>>> differ); 42mm RH 650b slicks (stepping up from 38s); a Nitto M-12 (I 
>>> worried it might collide with the V-brake cable but it fit !); and lastly, 
>>> a Ruthworks 8" Rando bag (love at first sight). 
>>> Grabbed some lunch and headed out for a few miles of forest service 
>>> road, a stretch on the Blue Ridge Parkway and a bit of smooth single 
>>> track.The weather was perfect..
>>>
>>> -- I've only been riding the Platypus since mid-summer and had 
>>> considered it to be more of a pavement/rail trail bike. Today's ride opened 
>>> my eyes to just how capable this thing is.  
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> [image: 35912B89-A62C-4073-8C64-96850F581815.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 22892EC1-62D1-49E3-9A10-E1EE7A6B0F42.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 251A34BC-59A6-4FEA-AA29-F3A25879C6F4.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 08CD7D59-77A7-4FB9-8BA8-D95C65B6C116.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Matt Miller]

Wow, Takashi, that first frame is beautiful. Well done.Matt in STL.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 10, 2023, at 8:18 PM, Takashi  wrote:Some pictures from last Sunday's ride. There was a heavy rainfall since then, and leaves are mostly fallen by now.Takashi2023年11月10日金曜日 13:02:37 UTC+9 Patrick Moore:Welcome back, Beth and a prize for the most badges and stickers on a bike. Do I see Tarik Saleh? I remember the All Rounder (I think it's an AR.)Patrick Moore, whose stickers are all on his car (I once had exactly 144 on a much-missed Plymouth minivan).On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 2:59 PM Beth Hamon  wrote:Lots of shorter Coffeeneuring rides in Portland this fall.Happy riding!Beth H in PDX



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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[matt miller]

Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust 
Trader. https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
Matt in STL

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor seller 
>> known to me)
>>
>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>
>>
>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally nice 
>>> buyer.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rosco Bubbe
>>>>> 58cm
>>>>> eBay auction
>>>>> Lake Linden, MI
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Misadventures

[matt miller]

This is a wonderful story. No judgements from me. I think we are all lucky 
to share in your humility, graciousness and wonderful storytelling. I hope 
you get the pretty red Platy back soon.
Matt in STL

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:46:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I have a long and storied history of bike shop misadventures. If I heard 
> my tales secondhand, I would believe that I, Leah Peterson, am the problem, 
> as I am the common denominator. But I make you a solemn promise that I 
> can’t see how. And I am gracious, even in the misadventures. But they 
> always happen. You can count on it.
>
> There are 2 shops in town. One well-established, the one I always 
> patronize. My bikes are oddballs there, but they never point that out. 
> Great shop. Best I have had in years. I’ve had some misadventures there, 
> but I caught the mistakes and the shop fixed them. Minor stuff. The other 
> shop is in a downtrodden part of town, and they work on a lot of beater 
> bikes. BUT, they know all about Bridgestone and Mount Tam and a little of 
> Rivendell and they revere it all. My son’s Future College Clem was 
> assembled by them, and the mechanic greased every bolt. He saw all the fine 
> points of that frame and mentioned them. He even met Grant once at a 
> conference/bike show. He took his time with the Clem and I really respected 
> his work. That shop doesn’t work on a lot of high-end bikes, and they are 
> eager to see beautiful steel bikes like Rivendells. 
>
> The Racing Platy has a lot of miles on it by now. It needed: a tune-up, 
> new chain, new cassette, possibly new tires, new brake pads, pedals 
> rebuilt, and to be inspected for anything else. When you have a Lifetime 
> Bike, you must keep it tip-top so it lasts. 
>
> Because I wanted a thorough tune up, and because they had so fussed over 
> our Clem, I called the shop and asked if they would service my Rivendell. 
> “Don’t tempt ME with a good time!” Rob said.* (Rob is not his real name.) 
>
> I drove there, wheeled the bike to the entrance and Rob and an employee 
> are smoking something outside. Red flag number one. I feel an urge to turn 
> on my heel. Maybe I’m mistaken; I decide to keep an open mind. We go 
> inside. The mechanic who assembled our Clem is not here. The shop is in 
> tatters as Rob is moving locations. The other man comes by with a pile of 
> metal rods and nearly bashes them into my Platypus. I cringe. Rob says 
> he’ll have the bike done in 48 hours. I’ve provided most of the parts, but 
> will need cassette and chain. I ask him to keep the gearing I have - it’s 
> my club ride bike and the gearing is perfect. No changes, please.
>
> Rob calls me on Wed to tell me he has this cassette laying around that 
> isn’t the same but should work. I decline, telling him that the bike is 
> DIALED. I agree to wait a couple days while he places an order. 
>
> But I don’t hear from Rob. So, I call him today. Rob is nervous. Rob is 
> apologetic. Rob has a sick kid and 400 interruptions. 
>
> Rob has not gotten anything done. 
>
> “I don’t know how to do tubeless,” he admits. “The guy I had coming to 
> rebuild your pedals and do your tubeless didn’t show up. I have a buddy 
> that I can call to come by and show me.” I panic. “No, no,” I say, “Just 
> leave the tubeless and I’ll take care of it.” 
>
> “I pulled the tires off,” he says, “So now we HAVE to do something about 
> the tubeless.” 
>
> My heart sinks and my mind spins. I want to race over and collect my 
> disassembled bike. I can’t believe this shop owner has no formal training 
> on tubeless and was going to invite his friends over to service mine.
>
> “Well,” I say, keeping my tone calm and measured, “How about you put on 
> that rear cassette and then I’ll just get the bike the way it is and take 
> it with me.” I figure this will let him keep some pride and earn a little 
> money. 
>
> I head to the shop wanting to die a thousand deaths because I have 2 
> miserable conversations before me: The first will be when I get to Rob’s 
> shop. How much will he expect me to pay for his services? Will he have 
> damaged my bike? Will he return all the parts I’ve left with him? The 
> second will be facing the staff at “my” bike shop, admitting my 
> unfaithfulness and asking them to fix what Rob has done. I decide I’m going 
> to be gracious for the first conversation and humble for the second. 
>
> Rob has my Platypus wrapped in foam and in the stand. He gets my naked 
> rims back on my bike. There’s a new cassette that he assures me is the same 
> gearing as my old one. He has put my ebike brake pads on. He charges me $35 
> which is fair and he carries my bike to the van. I carry my bag of parts 
> and with my heart in

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[matt miller]

I've used an older version of these First Lite mittens 

 
for hunting, and they also had enough feel to operate my cameras. 
Obviously, they are expensive. My version was much cheaper! But when 
working for hours in the Dakotas and Minnesota, they were perfect and well 
worth it. Wool still works when damp, and I sometimes used just the outside 
with different liners.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The trouble with those, besides being bulky looking, is our big 
> temperature differentials. I can often leave at 9 am at 18*F and come back 
> at 50*F. I daresay that if I were riding long periods at sub 20* I'd think 
> differently.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 9:54 AM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> Honestly, Bar Mitts brand neoprene pogies are so amazing that I would 
>> recommend just buying enough pairs that you can put them on each bike. Or 
>> swapping one pair between bikes as necessary (that can be complicated on 
>> the drop-bar version, depending on your cable routing). They are far beyond 
>> any gloves or mittens worn on the hands because they block the cold wind 
>> without being bulky or interfering with your handling the controls. I have 
>> fingers that are quite cold-sensitive, and I used Bar Mitts for seven years 
>> of commuting in Wisconsin winters. On the below-zero days I would only have 
>> to add a pair of minimalist knitted gloves (the kind they sell for 99 cents 
>> at the supermarket checkout.) 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

Thanks, Eric. I've very recently experienced the same with my saddle 
height. I suspect my self-estimated pbh was low, as a 73 saddle height 
feels fine and, yes, faster. That brings the 60cm within range, but I'll 
keep looking. And will do! 

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:12:56 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Matt — Welcome! And I hope you find a Platypus that fits you well. 
> Where are you located? Maybe we can help find someone in your area so you 
> can have a test ride before you buy a frame. I think a 55, as you say, 
> would be more versatile. 
>
> I have a 2009 Hillborne that's a 57cm and a 2021 Appaloosa that's a 54cm. 
> Got the Hillborne used and the sizing worked out. Before I bought the 
> Appaloosa I called Riv and I was between sizes. Grant said to go 54 instead 
> of 57. I'm glad I did, that was the right call for me. 
>
> As far as saddle height, it can take some time to figure it all out. Fore, 
> aft, tilt, setback, height! For years I was convinced I needed tons of 
> setback to be comfortable. But recently on my Hillborne I set my saddle 
> higher than normal and moved it closer and now I'm more comfortable and 
> markedly *faster*. No science or precision details to share but do 
> experiment. I find the PBH minus 10-11cm to be a good starting place. The 
> thickness of the soles of your shoes makes a difference, too. 
>
> Best of luck and let us know if you find a bike!
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:08:52 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It may work for some but I have never been comfortable going by riv's 
>> sizing standards of going big.
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:30:23 AM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> I just pushed my saddle height to 73 and was pretty comfortable, so the 
>>> 60 might be within reach according to Will. I've spent so long on 
>>> recumbents and Bromptons that I haven't really needed to know the optimum 
>>> height. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tall guy! 
>>>>
>>>> If you’re in NJ or eastern PA, Delaware area you’re welcome to try my 
>>>> bike. At that height, you might be able to do a 60. It is pretty big 
>>>> though. I’m 5’7”. Maybe my pbh is 82?  It’s one of those two numbers.  
>>>> I’ll 
>>>> post pics and measurements when I can get to my bike.  
>>>>
>>>> Roberta. 
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
>>>>> long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
>>>>> ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
>>>>> seems to be more versatile.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years 
>>>>>> ago I test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your 
>>>>>> size. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roberta, Philadelphia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today 
>>>>>>> about a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self 
>>>>>>> measured - pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently 
>>>>>>> riding an ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so 
>>>>>>> I'm 
>>>>>>> not sure the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a 
>>>>>>> real 
>>>>>>> bicycle. Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next 
>>>>>>> stock. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: QuickBeam 58 cm

[Matt]

As a humble newb who'd looked enviously at the Frenchie tabs, I think 
you've made the right decision ;)

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> And as it is Friday and I took an awesome joyride around the new area, I 
> am calling it quits on calling it quits for this bike.  I can say it is now 
> sold, as you all sold me on keeping it.  My plan is to keep riding it more 
> now that I'm more confident with the climbs in the immediate area and 
> if/when I put on the pass n stow rack and start using it for camping, I'm 
> hoping to either: change the front chainring to 40t vs 48 and/or find a 
> 16/19 DOS for the rear.  That should give me all that I need for the 
> terrain.  For some reason the climbing isn't as bad as I initially assumed 
> on the 48-18 and I'll just use the bombora when I'm pulling the baby.
>
> Im super surprised this didn't sell, glad now that I've made my mind, but 
> a head scratcher for sure.
>
> Glad to get to know you all more, it's always a good learning opportunity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason a proud old owner of a new old Quickbeam
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:03:51 PM UTC-5 Jason Zakaras wrote:
>
>> Indeed, super clean, it was a gem when I picked it up from you Dylan!  I 
>> just took a small rip on it and it just glides.  While I think the Rene 
>> Herse crank looks brilliant, the 48t is just too stout to have much fun for 
>> me now.  I'm kicking myself for getting rid of the 40/32 crank and the 
>> 17/19 dos... doh!
>>
>> If it doesn't sell I think I'm going to change out the chainring to 36t 
>> and maybe put a 17/19 dos on it and see if I can have a smile again.  I can 
>> put my pull trailer adapter on the bombora and pull the lil one with that 
>> too.  hm apostasy!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-5 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For what it's worth - this is my old frame and it's SUPER clean. Jason 
>>> did a great job in updating it since I sold it to him. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Jason. I looked them up on the Wolf Tooth site and as far as I 
 can tell they are made only for mountain bike bars; are yours a road bike 
 bar model, or did you just force them on to the bigger bar?

 About that Quickbeam: I know from experience that you can list and 
 relist a very nice bike and come away with far less than than expected; 
 then a month later someone will post a similar bike and get a much higher 
 price. This happened when I sold a very nice Sam Hillborne some years ago. 
 FWIW.

 On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 3:36 PM Jason Zakaras  
 wrote:

> Patrick, they are wolf tooth's silicone grips, I believe the Karv 
> maybe fatpaw.  I recently switched all my mtbs over to them and they are 
> lovely.  Its a nice touch when you're feeling fatigued and can drop down 
> into a cozy bed for yer hands.  I highly recommend them.



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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

I just pushed my saddle height to 73 and was pretty comfortable, so the 60 
might be within reach according to Will. I've spent so long on recumbents 
and Bromptons that I haven't really needed to know the optimum height. 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Tall guy! 
>
> If you’re in NJ or eastern PA, Delaware area you’re welcome to try my 
> bike. At that height, you might be able to do a 60. It is pretty big 
> though. I’m 5’7”. Maybe my pbh is 82?  It’s one of those two numbers.  I’ll 
> post pics and measurements when I can get to my bike.  
>
> Roberta. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:24 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
>> long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
>> ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
>> seems to be more versatile.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Welcome. 
>>>
>>> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago 
>>> I test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 
>>>
>>> Roberta, Philadelphia
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about 
>>>> a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
>>>> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
>>>> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
>>>> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real 
>>>> bicycle. 
>>>> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>>>
>>>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>>>>
>>>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

Thanks, Roberta. This experiential data is very useful. I'm 5'11 with 
long-ish arms and torso, but a 60cm does look a little too large. I can 
ride a saddle height of 73cm, but I'm just as happy at 72cm, so the 55cm 
seems to be more versatile.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Welcome. 
>
> I use the heel to pedal method also for saddle height, and modify as 
> needed.
>
> My PBH is also 83 and I ride a 55 Platypus, which is perfect. Years ago I 
> test rode a 60 Cheviot and it was way too big. I think 55 is your size. 
>
> Roberta, Philadelphia
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>
>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
>> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
>> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
>> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
>> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
>> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>
>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>>
>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

This is all very helpful. 55cm seems more versatile. I'm unlikely to put 
drop bars on it, but, still. If I can find a used bargain I'll try a 60, 
else I'll go for the 55. Really appreciate the kind and quality of feedback 
here.

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:32:21 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Aside from the subjectivity of saddle height I would attempt to try 
> different sizes of bikes to see which feels better to you. I realize that's 
> next to impossible with a Rivendell but if you have bikes that fit you well 
> I think the knowledge can work laterally. I had a friend buy an Appaloosa 
> from Riv, went off of their sizing method/recommendation over the phone and 
> ended up with a bike they felt was too big. Fast forward years later, we 
> just visited the shop a month ago, they test rode an Appaloosa that was a 
> size smaller and strongly preferred it. We're all built differently and 
> even with experience it's difficult to tell how you feel about it before 
> you actually ride it. 
> Also they obviously know what they're doing & their sizing methods/bar & 
> stem recommendations have steered my wife right twice. Just wanted to relay 
> that story 'cos them bikes is expensive.
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:03:10 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Welcome, Matt! 
>> Saddle height is a bit subjective - but the heel on pedal method gets me 
>> in the ballpark.
>> If your PBH is 83cm I think a 60cm Platy might be cutting it close just 
>> due to saddle height - I feel I'm towards the lower end of the 60cm 
>> Platypus PBH range at 87cm PBH. I'm using a lower profile saddle (compared 
>> to something like a Brooks B17) and don't have a lot of seatpost showing, 
>> but I also run my saddle a bit lower than the PBH - 11cm guideline.
>>
>> Given that Grant has made a 64cm Clem fit him at 85cm 
>> <https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/grants-64cm-clem-l-85cm-pbh>, you 
>> could likely get a 60cm Platypus to fit but it may limit saddle, seatpost, 
>> stem, and bar options.
>>
>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:27:49 AM UTC-4 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all! It seems more art than science. I usually cycle in sandals 
>>> (I refuse to call them flip flops), so I assume that grown-up shoes will 
>>> add some. Nice to be here.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 6:27:48 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of the methods I've read about that is and older one (1960s?) and gives 
>>>> a lower saddle than others; for me, a saddle quite a bit too low -- I did 
>>>> use it myself long ago. Of course, all of these methods are simply 
>>>> starting 
>>>> points.
>>>>
>>>> To the OP: be sure to get your saddle fore-and-aft position in place 
>>>> too as well as saddle height before making other measurements; and even 
>>>> saddle tilt in addition to both the forgoing can affect preferred reach to 
>>>> pedals.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:20 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard somewhere a million years ago that you should be able to rest 
>>>>> your heel on the pedal with a straight leg. If you stretch it's too high, 
>>>>> if your knee is bent it's too low. Sounds ridiculous but it's never 
>>>>> failed 
>>>>> me. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-7 Matt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today 
>>>>>> about a Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self 
>>>>>> measured - pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently 
>>>>>> riding an ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so 
>>>>>> I'm 
>>>>>> not sure the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a 
>>>>>> real 
>>>>>> bicycle. Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next 
>>>>>> stock. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Height

[Matt]

Thanks, all! It seems more art than science. I usually cycle in sandals (I 
refuse to call them flip flops), so I assume that grown-up shoes will add 
some. Nice to be here.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 6:27:48 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Of the methods I've read about that is and older one (1960s?) and gives a 
> lower saddle than others; for me, a saddle quite a bit too low -- I did use 
> it myself long ago. Of course, all of these methods are simply starting 
> points.
>
> To the OP: be sure to get your saddle fore-and-aft position in place too 
> as well as saddle height before making other measurements; and even saddle 
> tilt in addition to both the forgoing can affect preferred reach to pedals.
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:20 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I heard somewhere a million years ago that you should be able to rest 
>> your heel on the pedal with a straight leg. If you stretch it's too high, 
>> if your knee is bent it's too low. Sounds ridiculous but it's never failed 
>> me. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 4:46:05 PM UTC-7 Matt wrote:
>>
>>> Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
>>> Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
>>> pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
>>> ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
>>> the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
>>> Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 
>>>
>>> btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 
>>>
>>> Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.
>>>
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[RBW] Saddle Height

[Matt]

Newb here, but long time Rivendell lurker. Chatted to Will today about a 
Platypus and he mentioned saddle height. My BPH is 83cm (self measured - 
pretty sure it was to bone but maybe another cm?). Currently riding an 
ebike, which feels like driving an automatic only worse, so I'm not sure 
the saddle height is a good indication of what's ideal with a real bicycle. 
Any thoughts on measuring or extrapolating from PBH? 

btw looking for 55/60cm Platypus, but may well wait for the next stock. 

Lovely group, this. Thanks for the edification.

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[matt miller]

I've been thinking about this situation a lot. (And thinking back about 20 
years to my time in college.) I was from a small town, and went to a large 
public school. I learned a lot, and a lot of learning is through mistakes. 
I did lots of dumb stuff, and minus the time I went flying over the 
handlebars and got an ambulance ride, I was lucky to escape without 
life-altering implications. My grandpa died when I was in college, and I 
still treasure a few small items I have from him. Ultimately, things are 
things, but some things mean more than others. It will be up to your family 
to decide the best route. I'm not sure it's been mentioned before, but any 
thought to taking an entirely different bike first semester/first year with 
the plan to revisit taking the Clem second semester/sophomore year? 

Good luck with your decision.
Matt in STL

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:56:34 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Great story Mackenzy! I think many of us started on BMX bikes. I was an 
> 80s kid and the group of guys in my neighborhood all had BMX bikes. In 
> college I rode a Trek mountain bike (low end) but also had a car so the 
> bike was primarily for exercise. I tried single speed a few years ago and 
> really enjoy the simplicity of it even with the limitations.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 3:31:13 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, I had almost the exact opposite issue as a college student. I 
>> grew up without cyclists in my family, and think it's so rad that there are 
>> parents like Leah to give a good starting point of living a happily car 
>> free college life. 
>>
>> I was messy messy messy in my hyperfocus niche interests (bikes). As an 
>> adolescent I got into bmx bikes. I had a very high end BMX I kept in my 
>> dorm room under my bunk for the first two years. I worked at a skatepark 
>> and rode with many professional friends. Eventually, a visiting friend 
>> "from the city" brought his IRO fixed gear. I was absolutely smitten. He 
>> taught me about fixed gear conversions - so I went to one on one bike 
>> studios in Minneapolis and Gene helped me pick out a beat Schwinn Letour in 
>> my size and parts I needed to convert it to fixed. 
>>
>> Within the next few months - I befriended a local bike shop worker who 
>> talked me into buying a 54cm Surly steam roller frame (I am 6' 2" mind you) 
>> for nearly wholesale as it'd been sitting for ever a year. My IRO friend 
>> came back and took me down the biggest hill in town (sanfrancisco style) on 
>> that brakeless steamroller. Literally probably the stupidest day of my 
>> life. We continued on a 40+K ride in the country side to a waterfall and it 
>> blew my mind. My friend with the IRO was also into racing on a geared bike 
>> - and informed me on the magic of "geared bikes" 
>>
>> I sold the steamroller and dropped all my savings on a Long haul Trucker. 
>> Except - except they all fit weird and I didn't like the lng top tube 
>> after a short period. So I traded it for Cross check. I despised the cross 
>> check frame even more - but somebody offered to trade a geared Karate 
>> Monkey for my Cross check. I rode the Karate Monkey for a while, but fell 
>> back in love with single speeds, so converted it to single speed and rode 
>> that a long time. To my detriment "Ride the Divide" came out. Mark Remier's 
>> first Generation Salsa Fargo was on display - dirt and all at the premier. 
>> Within the week I rode to Angry Catfish and picked up a Fargo in my size. I 
>> loved that bike. That concluded my undergradI wont even start on my 
>> bikes during my "Grad school years" 
>>
>> I was quite..."promiscuous" in my bike building because "college" is for 
>> experimenting right? (I never drank or did drugs - most of my bike dealings 
>> were trade/second hand based being in QBP land) There was just so much to 
>> learn and try out -  I couldn't get enough. There were definitely other 
>> bikes and builds in there I am forgetting like a shogun touring bike etc. 
>> and lots of BMX bikes. That was just my undergrad...20 years later. Oof - 
>> not going to think too hard about it. But the enthusiasm hasn't stopped.
>>
>> I think it's super cool to have an option for such a versatile bike from 
>> the get go and supportive parents for a *much* better starting point. I 
>> absolutely believe that Leah's kid is in good hands. Who knows what'll 
>> happen, but he's got a great bike to work with and obviously a lot of love 
>> and support which is super great. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-7 Joe

[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry to say that I think it will get stolen.  I took a bike to college 
and enough parts were stolen off of it to make it unusable within the first 
year.  It wasn't even a desirable bike or parts.  

I wish you good luck if you try this.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:54:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to college 
> in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves buses, 
> bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown up 
> riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>
> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 2020, 
> and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. I 
> lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if the 
> bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond of 
> saying… 
>
> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>
> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, because 
> it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike rack - and 
> I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life is totally 
> unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno because the 
> kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I will not sleep 
> at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 takes 700c, so I 
> don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he really wants. But 
> as of now, he wants his new bike.
>
> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that would 
> be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it could 
> be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
> through undergrad together.
>
> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Butterscotch Complete Seattle

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry for whatever is prompting the sale.  For anyone on the fence, the 
Saluki is by far the best Rivendell that I have owned.  I use it in a drop 
bar configuration and for longer distances.  It is just so dang 
comfortable.  

Best regards,
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 Gilles Berthoud Aspin saddles

[matt miller]

I sent you a DM on the cork. 
I like a B17 on my upright bike, but the C17 hasn't worked well on a bike 
with the saddle a bit higher than the bars- I think I need it to get narrow 
quickly. In the past, a Brooks Swift worked. 
Wondering if you (or anyone else) has experiences they'd share. I know, 
YMMV, but still would like to hear if folks have relevant thoughts.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:23:02 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I picked up a second one of these because the first one seemed to be 
> working out. Turns out they are just a bit narrow for me. The brown one was 
> mounted and ridden once maybe 10 miles. It has a very small mark that can 
> be seen in the pictures that was there when I got it from ReneHerse but it 
> didn’t bother me. 
>
> The Cork finish saddle has approximately 1000 miles on it and is just 
> showing signs of breaking in. Still in excellent shape because it had a 
> cover over it a lot of the time. 
>
> Asking $190 +shipping for the brown, $160 +shipping for the cork. I also 
> have a brown waxed canvas cover from RandiJo made for these saddles if 
> interested. Thrown in free with the first saddle sold!
>
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Handlebar bag with Nitto support

[Matt Beecher]

I think these came with a nitto F15 rack.  Try searching for that, as 
several have sold here.  

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:39:06 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:

> I've decided to sell this barely used bag, which I've had for a number of 
> years without finding it an appropriate home. But I can't find out what I 
> paid for it, the original Riv price or even one for sale on the internet, 
> so not sure how to price it. Does anyone remember what they sold for? Thanks
> Alan NYC
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Matt B.]

That's definitely a 58, going by the size of the wheels (700c).  They do 
say they measured 56cm center to center, whereas Rivendell uses center to 
top.

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself. 
>
>  
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This one? Looks like a 58 to me. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>>
>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
>>> mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
>>> newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
>>> possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
>>> close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
>>> 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
>>> that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
>>> measurer, and that it's a 58.  
>>>
>>> How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm 
 ST/57cm TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 

 This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is 
 this a custom?

 Eliot

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Matt Beecher]

I have one, but have not had a chance to use it yet.  I ordered the gen1 
and it kept getting delayed.  I changed plans and ran with something else 
for a while, but still plan to put mine into service this year.  Overall, I 
felt a bit ripped off for a while, waiting with continual promises of it 
coming sooner than it ever did.  Had I listened and not made other plans, I 
would have been screwed.  

FWIW, there was someone on the paceline selling the first version of the 
beacon.  That was a few weeks ago though, so it may have sold.  

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 5:51:06 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the Beacon 2 is still at pre order status. They are supposed to 
> start shipping in summer is all it says. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 3:41:05 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light they want to sell? 
>>  Or has anyone used it, and care to share their thoughts?  My dynamo light 
>> broke and can't be fixed, and I have a Sinewave Reactor dynamo charger that 
>> I use to charge my iPhone or other USB things.  I figured I'd combine the 
>> two to declutter things a bit with the Beacon Light.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Classic Italian Bicycles: now flat poster !

[Matt Beecher]

For those Italian made Rivendells?

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

>I thought I would share this with the group:
>
>
>
> https://corsaclassic.com/en-us/products/classic-italian-bicycles-poster
>
> *Thanks to popular demand we now offer the option to have the Italian 
> poster delivered rolled for optimal display!*
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
> *Classic Italian Bicycles "Signature Edition"* 
> 
>
>
> *Introducing the new flat version signature edition of the classic Italian 
> Bicycles map! Multi-buy discount applied.* Made with care, each map is 
> signed by the author on *200g paper*. Measures *70x50cm*, this 
> collector's item can be proudly displayed as a stunning wall poster.
>
> Your map will be *shipped via priority mail in a carton tube*, ensuring 
> that it arrives safely. Elevate your love for Italian cycling with this 
> limited and numbered edition map, a must-have for any true cycling 
> aficionado.
>
>
> Kim Hetzel
>
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
> ­ 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe V1 build revisited

[Matt Beecher]

Very cool to see one of these again.  I saw one at a Riv dealer in the 
Dallas area years ago, when I was in the area for work.  I think they might 
have had a couple Roadinis as well.  Sadly, I was not in the position to 
buy a bike, though I did buy some orange SKS fenders, the only set I have 
ever seen.  

Thanks for sharing. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I has this bike set up as a single speed for the first few years, but 
> decided to add gears. I really love this frame, the 50cm seat tube, 63 cm 
> effective top tube fits me well. As I understand it, these first Rosco 
> Bubbe frames were made by Waterford. There were 10 or 11 of them made, mine 
> was frame number 7, but I call it Seven of Nine (Star Trek fans will 
> understand). I missed the initial sale from Rivendell, but got this from 
> Rivelo when the original buyer backed out. The 700C x 44 Snoqualmie Pass 
> tire are definitely plusher than the 700C x 38 Little Big Bens.
>
> Frame – Rosco Bubbe V1, frame #7, Flanker Green
>
> Headset: Tange/IRD NeedL BlastR - roller bearing lower, ball bearing upper 
>
> Wheels - built by Hands on Wheels; Rich Lesnik - 700C
>
>   Front - 36 spoke, Shimano Deore LX Hub, Velocity Atlas rim, double 
> butted SS spokes - 3-cross
>
>   Rear - 36 spoke, Shimano Deore Hub - 9 speed, Velocity Atlas rim, double 
> butted SS spokes - 3-cross
>
> Tires – Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700C x 44
>
> Drivetrain - 2x9 Pink Flamingo gearing
>
>   Crank – VO Drillium 48 - 34
>
>   Cassette – Shimano Sora-Ace 9-speed 14–27 (Sora 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 ,19; 
> Dura-Ace 21-24-27)
>
>   Chain - Ultrasonically cleaned and Molten Speed Waxed Wipperman Connex 
> Stainless Steel 9 speed chain(s)
>
>   Rear Derailleur – Shimano Dura-Ace RD-7700
>
>   Front Derailleur – Shimano RX-100
>
>   Shifters – Dura Ace 9 speed on Paul Thumbies, silver
>
>   Derailleur Cable – VO braided housing, Yokozuna non-crimp cable ends, 
> silver
>
> Pedals – MKS silver Grip Monarch with side extensions
>
> Brakes – Front: Dia Compe 610 center pull, Dia Compe quick release cable 
> hanger. Rear: Tektro R-559 sidepull
>
> Brake Levers – Tektro Mountain, silver
>
> Brake Cables - VO braided housing, Yokozuna non-crimp cable ends, silver
>
> Seat post - Nitto S-83, 26.8
>
> Saddle - NOS Brooks B-68, Honey
>
> Stem – Nitto DirtDrop 100mm
>
> Handlebars – Nitto Wavie
>
> Grips - Ergon
>
> Pump - Zefal HPX-3 Classic
>
> Kickstand – Pletscher
>
> Water Bottle Cage: VO
>
> [image: RB1 s.jpg]
>
> I had to file a notch in the front derailleur to get it low enough to 
> shift properly.
>
> [image: Notch s.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> Delray Beach FL
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Matt Beecher]

I don't know if there is a rule against this, but why not just create a new 
FS post for your AHH?  I could have sworn there was a message against 
selling non-Rivs, but I am not certain on that atm.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:

> Is it cool to shamelessly include our own craigslist listings? Selling my 
> MIT AHH in Seattle from the 2019 run (I replaced it with a sam). Would 
> prefer to keep it local. I I'm also selling a Crust Romanceur frame size M 
> if anyone is in the market which I could ship. Love the bike, just too 
> small. 
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilsen-58cm/7600316685.html
>
>
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:57:37 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 01616_bnemBujwvCA_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>> Nice Saluki. Here's a picture for reference after the post is deleted. 
>> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:29:28 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful. 
>>>
>>> $2500
>>>
>>>
>>> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale 
>>>> posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a new 
>>>> heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter 
>>>> edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking
>>>>
>>>> Russell Duncan
>>>> Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
>>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be too 
>>>>> big for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased it from 
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clem Smith JR
>>>>>> 52cm
>>>>>> 1,200
>>>>>> SF,CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>>>>>>> 62cm
>>>>>>> $1,200
>>>>>>> Vienna, VA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paging brendonoid! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rivendell custom cyclocross
>>>>>>>> 58cm
>>>>>>>> $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping) 
>>>>>>>> Melbourne, Australia 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either underpriced 
>>>>>>>>>> or the Riv market is finally having a reality check. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7586412968.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Has anybody 650'ed a Riv Road?

[Matt Beecher]

Purple trumps pink.

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:51:02 AM UTC-5 Peter Bridge wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:29:48 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, did you get the pink one off craigslist?  If so, please 
> don't paint it.  Be brave enough to ride pink. 
>
>
> Who, me? I carefully delayed until it vanished. I was tempted to chase 
> it.  I'm already pretty heavily invested, emotion and energy rather than 
> funds, in a bike that checks a lot of boxes for me, including clearing 38 
> tires. Would have taken no bravery for me to ride a pink bike. A screaming 
> pink Eisentraut was my main ride for 25 years. Pink bikes might be the only 
> bikes that are cooler than orange bikes.
>
> Thanks, everybody for the responses.
>
> ~pb
>

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[RBW] Re: Has anybody 650'ed a Riv Road?

[Matt Beecher]

That doesn't work.  You should just sell it to me, cheap.  :D  

I do think I have heard of people doing this, but I don't remember where I 
read that.  I've not tried myself, because I think I would still be limited 
to fairly narrow 650B wheels on my old road.  

Out of curiosity, did you get the pink one off craigslist?  If so, please 
don't paint it.  Be brave enough to ride pink. 

Best regards,
Matt 

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:58:07 PM UTC-5 Peter Bridge wrote:

> Has anybody on the list 650'ed one of the old Rivendell Road frames, the 
> ones that take short brakes and that max out at 28c tires?  What was the 
> outcome?  
>
> ~pb
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Stems

[Matt Beecher]

I'm not personally interested, but I was curious what the UI 12 was.  It 
seems there may a threaded and threadless version of the stem, according to 
a very brief Google search.  You may want to clarify that.  

I'm still on the hunt for a 10cm or longer Nitto hi-riser.  

Cheers,
Matt

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[RBW] WTB: Silver Paul Short Pull Levers

[matt miller]

I'm pretty sure this search will be met with crickets, but figured I'd ask 
here before I order. In case anyone wants to get rid of a pair of Paul 
canti brake levers, I'm looking to buy. (For some reason long-pull brakes 
were installed on my Homer. My wife has Pauls on her bike. I tried them, it 
worked well, and now I don't want to go with different levers!)

Thanks,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: FS - Acorn Large Front Trunk Bag

[Matt Beecher]

I sent a message this morning, but never heard back.  I'm assuming it may 
have already sold.  

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 5:13:03 PM UTC-6 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> I posted this on the i-BOB list a couple weeks ago, but no takers there. I 
> wish to repost it here and drop the price by $20:
> A somewhat rare "limited edition" production run, black waxed canvas in 
> very good condition. I have owned over a dozen Acorn bags and am a 
> believer. Just a guess, but I suspect this model proved to be too costly 
> to 
> produce for very long.
> 170 mm tall x 300 mm long x 140 mm wide. Two zippered side pockets 
> protected from the elements by the top flap. Six attachment rings. 
> Internal 
> molded plastic stiffeners in front, back, bottom and sides. I have added 
> thin foam sheets inside which quiet things down nicely. Easily removed. 
> A slight circular ghost image of a P. Williamson "Goathead" patch remains 
> on the top flap. Also, a half-dozen small pin holes where small 
> commemorative pins were installed.
> $80 plus $17.10 for USPS Flat Rate Priority box shipping, CONUS. Or if you 
> wish, I will check your zip to see if shipping can be lowered.
> PayPal preferred but check is fine too.)  PM me with any questions.
> Photos in sunlight and in shadow: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720306262139
>
> Thanks,
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Matt Beecher]

It looks like the price has come down just a little bit for the 62cm Sam.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?s=f8a5e70cf14b0a7e54275e5d2bdb4b4c=292940

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-6 mitchel

Clem Smith JR
52cm
1,200
SF,CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric wrote:

[image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]

Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
62cm
$1,200
Vienna, VA

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post


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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matt Miller]

Thanks all. When the FD was lowered, the chain could not climb up to the big ring. First thing he did was lower it. I tried it myself, when I first got the bike. I just ordered a cx70. If that doesn’t work, I’ll get new VBC or figure something out.Also figured out the brake levers were long pull. So that explains part of the braking issue. Brakes are overrated! Ha.MattSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2023, at 9:16 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:The hiccup here is his double is really more of a triple with the middle ring removed; lifting a chain from 28t to 46 is a big climb. I'm not sure a double is going to cover this, but I agree lowering the derailer is a good idea. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer chainrings.Nick Payne



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[RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[matt miller]

I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
between not reaching the big ring, or going over!

It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 

[image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]

Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because of 
that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
and selling these.

Thanks,
Matt

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[RBW] Re: 58 Simple One pics

[Matt Beecher]

I've got a Quickbeam and yet I still find myself staring at this and 
wondering what I could do with it.  Thankfully, I imagine this will be gone 
soon.  

Good luck with the sale.  It is a beauty. 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:47:57 PM UTC-6 alan lavine wrote:

> Tried to get all the beausage visible, but overall from 5 ft, it looks 
> good.
> Alan
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Re: [RBW] Pedal Question

[matt miller]

I have the EH-500 on my All Road bike. I guess I recently bought it out of 
habit. I used to have a pair on my ride everywhere bike (which was stolen). 
I liked how I could hop on and ride to the bars or out with friends, and I 
could still go on a longer purposeful ride. Haven't used the clip side for 
years, but still like the option, I guess! The spikes go in quite easily on 
the flats side. They do go on sales every once in a while. Shoes are a 
whole other can of worms!

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:13:37 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've used almost all the different pedal types (I've not used Time or 
> Crank Brothers but I have used Sampsons and WTBs and Graftons) including 
> clips and straps and I wholeheartedly recommend Shimano SPD pedals. PDm520s 
> are inexpensive and durable and work fine. Some of the SPD clones -- 
> Ritcheys and Wellgo for example -- work well too, though SPDs seem to 
> engage and release better than any other make, even Shimano's lower cost 
> models. And you can often find SPDs used at low prices if you care to try 
> before spending a great deal.
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023 at 7:17 AM Dick Pahle  wrote:
>
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
>> cleats.
>>
>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>
>> dick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

[matt miller]

I think he's referring to a post a few days ago. He has a nice set of 
images, links and prices. I'll help him out with the link: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/CH5S8_xA3oA

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Sean referred to a Rene Herse UD-1 rack as "listed if anyone ... is 
> interested"
>
> Does that mean it is offered for sale? Is it offered as-pictured, missing 
> all the hardware?  What's your price?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 8:47:50 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:
>
>> I've a Rene Herse UD-1 rack listed if anyone searching for an adjustable 
>> and lightweight rack with a 10 kg (22 lb) weight rating is interested.
>>
>> It’s very nicely built and high quality w/adjustable struts that can fit 
>> the same mounts as a 32f.
>>
>> Rene Herse specs - 
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/equipment/racks/rene-herse-ud-1-disc/
>>
>> Pics - 
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZN_guFpHhKwBSHXI89expGdVdYFwrZH6?usp=sharing
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 5:29:45 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Will thanks! That's exactly what I was after. 
>>>
>>> Re: the non published weight limits/tether advice, I wonder if it's 
>>> because of failures that happened? Either way I don't plan to put a ton of 
>>> weight on it. I think it'll be alright. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 4:30:26 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:
>>>
 @ Zac: The 32F on my Quickbeam routinely exceeds the 4.4-lb load. I'd 
 go with Analog's 15-lb limit.  As load increases, slow-speed steering 
 weirdness becomes the constraint long before one worries about rack 
 integrity.  Using archive.org, I just took a peak at 
 http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/webalog/baggage_racks/20020.html from 
 February 2006 (about the vintage of mine), and see that they did not 
 publish a weight limits nor recommend tether straps back in the day.  When 
 did published limits appear?  Anecdotally... I've walked my 4-year-old 
 (30+ 
 pounds) home from school while she sat backward on the 32F rack (I pushed 
 the bike).  And the similar VO Rando rack has a 12-pound rated limit, tho' 
 it has straight stays to the fork blade eyelets.  

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 4:40:54 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Yeah, I always thought it goofy also to buy a tiny rack and then put a 
> big wire basket on top of it and expect it to be stable. Even if one does 
> it anyway, in "zac's" case with a shallow head tube frame, the 32f is 
> poor 
> choice as it has no adjustability in any way to get it close-r to the 
> head 
> tube. While a M 18 or Marks rack would offer that, more platform and 
> relative strength is called for here. The Soma/VO Porteur racks are fully 
> adjustable and there's no concern with loads. The VO includes a platform 
> fence, no cheap wire basket needed. How the bike may feel/handle, well 
> that's a separate story.
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:43:54 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> this has been discussed many times before.  in this age of 
>> litigation, nitto has always been conservative with their weight 
>> ratings, 
>> but we're all adults and have to make our own decisions.  that said, and 
>> keep in mind this comes from someone thats been running a nitto mini 
>> front 
>> for over 10 years with a basket, you can get away with more weight.  now 
>> even i would say, if your plan is to bring back 15-20 lbs of whatever 
>> often, then thats not a good idea (imo), but for occasional heavy loads, 
>> its fine.  
>>
>> my bigger issue with this combo is i think the smaller racks are not 
>> wide enough of a platform for stability to secure a basket.  i recently 
>> switched to a nitto/simworks obento rack and its been a little more 
>> stable.   
>>
>> you don't mention what bike you are planning for this, but if its a 
>> rivendell, most of them do not steer well with a heavy front load, which 
>> is 
>> another reason to keep it light.  
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The pass and stow is nice but im going for something lighter that 
>>> hopefully sits closer to the headtube. having the load out in front of 
>>> the 
>>> axle like that feels too sloppy for me. I think im gonna try the 32f 
>>> with a 
>>> beefy strap and just not go too crazy on the load. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is why I’ve just opted for the five rail rack from Pass & 
 Stow: 25lbs or less suggested, rated to 50lbs, and can handle 200lbs. 
 I’ll 
 *never* need all that it can offer tbh.





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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[Matt Miller]

You all know more than I do. I do like Mile’s thoughts, and I enjoy his bikes. My impression with canti is that the optimal setup is to have the pads contact the rim at a perpendicular angle, or as close to possible. I also thought he talked about getting the angle between cable and arm at 90 degree angle at rim contact. I see Paul ships with thinline. But referencing the old Sheldon Brown site says that Mountain/BMC is improved over the thinline. At this point, all i know is that my brakes aren’t working well enough! I’m going to try extra spacers first. Then will try thicker pads if that doesn’t work. I’ll try to get a photo if I can.MattOn Feb 13, 2023, at 3:46 PM, lconley  wrote:Unfortunately, the black mountain article is full of such total complete nonsense on geometry "(Pad position on the arm") that I cannot take any of it seriously. Whoever wrote it doesn't have a clue. It doesn't matter how many spacers there are on whatever side of the arm, the arc of the pad travel is defined by the brake pivot and rim contact point. That contact point defines the diameter and direction of the rotation of the pad, regardless of the intervening structure.LaingOn Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:26:29 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:Read the BMC blog I mentioned.  He makes a pretty compelling argument AGAINST using thick pads:https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:34:25 AM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for your suggestions. It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate this being a grocery-getter!I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten thicker pads. As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told me he tuned it up. Lol.I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:Just beautiful.  Well done!So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way you wanted?  I really like the color.Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that are worth re-reading every once in a while.On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Just. Absolutely. Perfect. On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).    I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto.     Might the pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable.     Enjoy that bike!!!   On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may 

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[Matt Miller]

Thank you for your suggestions. It is a custom Homer, and it’s a Waterford from about 2014, according to the serial number. It doesn’t have many mounts, actually. I think if i want a rack, I’ll need to use the canti posts. Need to look that up. May be easier to use a frame bag if I need to carry a bunch. I don’t anticipate this being a grocery-getter!I’ll keep playing with the brakes. I think I’ll have to add more spacers. The rims are pretty narrow. The cables are older and thick. The old pads were worn, so I replaced with thinline, but maybe I should have gotten thicker pads. As you can see, recreational marijuana was legalized here, and the front derailleur is super high. I need to address that, as well. The seller told me he tuned it up. Lol.I think the bars are kind of like albatross/dove. I should measure them. Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 13, 2023, at 10:04 AM, iamkeith  wrote:Just beautiful.  Well done!So is this a new old stock saluki that you got to paint and decal the way you wanted?  I really like the color.Regarding the cantis,  i'm starting to think there's as much witcthcraft as science to getting them right.  Every once in a while I'll set some up, and they won't work well, and I'll realize that I've just been lucky the other times.  I have those same brakes on a bike and find them to be fantastic, so don't give up on them.  Small adjustments in straddle wire length make a big difference, as does the length from the shoe to the part of the brake that it bolts to.  (You can change the later to be either 3mm, 4mm, 5mm or 6mm by rearranging the spherical washers on the stud.  Usually, less is better (Less flex / bigger leverage ratio/start the pull with arms higher), but skinnier rims or wider post spacing sometimes mandate more spacers.  It looks like you can bolt the pads lower in the vertical adjustment slot, and a little lower on the rim, too - which should help.  Again, lower is better. (Think of the leverage ratio to the arm length on other side of the pivot, to where the cable attaches.)  After your cable stretches and shoes bed in, it'll get better.)  Salmon shoes are great but, if you'll only ride in dry weather, you might like normal black ones too.Shelon Brown and Black Mountain Cycles have articles on canti setup that are worth re-reading every once in a while.On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:09:41 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Just. Absolutely. Perfect. On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).    I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto.     Might the pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable.     Enjoy that bike!!!   On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out for you after you've settled into the bike. Joe Bernard On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of you helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a few times, and have really enjoyed it. Definitely need to get the brakes set up better, though! I don't think I've had cantis in 20 years. My feet have been utilized often!!!I'd love some input on the stem/bars. There's nothing wrong with the stem (VO, I think?), but aesthetically, it looks a little imbalanced because of the frame size with the 650b tires, I think. I'm not sure what the bars are. It's a dull finish. It does feel a little narrow, but I wonder if a different stem may alleviate that feeling.Paint job definitely looks nicer outside than the seller's photo in his basement.Also need to give a huge thanks to Jake from Florida for the saddle. You are very generous. There are a couple prints that will be mailed to you this week. Thank you.Matt in STL



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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Matt Isaacs]

FYI, I think is the same guy who was selling a couple Riv frames for a 
deceased friend back in November. A Roadeo custom painted sage green and a 
Heron custom painted by Joe Bell. If so, the seller has a very active ebay 
account selling vintage motorcycle stuff and has a good seller rating. 

Matt
Walnut Creek

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:02:08 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
> read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
> 1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
> what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
> Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
> that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
> get to report back soon.
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
>> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>
>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>
>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>
>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>
>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/591659724221291/permalink/5766806640039881/>
>>>  
>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[Matt Miller]

I did reach out to Curt Goodrich a few days ago. He remembered the man he built the bike for, but could not locate the geo or any other info. I really wanted to buy that bike, but the family budget office didn’t authorize the expenditure. I hope “settling” for the canti AHH will work out well for me. I believe all the Rivs, minus the brown Ram are sold. I think unless Steve gets an offer he can’t refuse, he will keep it.Thank you to everyone who gave their thoughts on this topic. I look forward to sharing some nice bike photos soon, but first I need to find a saddle. I’ve liked a Swift in the past. Recently got a c17 but am not in love. Anyone have a b17 collecting dust? Please DM me.Matt in STLOn Jan 26, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Ryan  wrote:Curt Goodrich DOES do nice work and seems to be active still...just GoogleWas lucky enough to have my Road built in 2001 by Goodrich (CG1098),  which is stamped on the bottom bracket shell. Base price was 2150.00a bargainHard to say who built the AR, because the bottom bracket shell doesn't have that info stamped on the shell that I can see...maybe it's from the period after Waterford in the late 1990's when Riv was building more customized frames without advertising and using other tubing besides Reynolds 753. I think they were working with Match and maybe Joe Stark as well. Then in 2000-2007 they were swapping frame-building duties between Stark and Goodrich That is a lovely collection of bikes indeedOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 9:16:19 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:Thanks Kieran!Beautiful collection of bikes. Fun to see.k.On Jan 24, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Kieran J  wrote:Those are the cream Longboards that Riv used to sell. KJOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:03:45 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?k.On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks away!BL in ECOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill suggested. Paint was really nice.The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to arrange shipping.-BrianOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to Saint Louis??) TomOn Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about never building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to own.Frank On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's builds are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and they have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike that would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become popular. I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be able to find someone to take it off your hands. As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might as well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs are 

Re: [RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

The fenders were SKS. I was surprised.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:58:28 PM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:

> Anyone know who makes those cream fenders on the Curt & Ram?
> k.
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:52 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I kind of want that grey Hilsen ... When's my birthday?  Two weeks 
>> away!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:31:31 AM UTC-8 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I checked these out today and picked up the blue Homer. My first riv! 
>>> I've got some stuff to change on it but i am super excited.
>>>
>>> The grey 'homer' is indeed a 650b canti bike. Prob a saluki as Bill 
>>> suggested. Paint was really nice.
>>>
>>> The Ram also had 650b wheels with long reach brakes at the bottom of the 
>>> slots. Also had nice, presumably custom, paint.
>>>
>>> The Curt was a beautiful bike. Had 700x38 tires with fenders. Looked 
>>> like it would clear a little bigger with fenders. Maybe a 42 or 45 without.
>>>
>>> The Riv custom had 26" wheels. Tires that were on it were 35 or 38. 
>>> Again could probably fit a 42 or 45 but not much more.
>>>
>>> All the bikes are in the 60cm range with top tubes between 57-59. The 
>>> seller, Steve, was super nice and I'm sure would be happy to provide 
>>> whatever info someone may be looking for if you give him a ring. He didn't 
>>> seem keen on shipping the bikes because of how big of a pain it is (i feel 
>>> him on that), but I bet he'd be open to delivering to a local shop to 
>>> arrange shipping.
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>>
 What a collection!  All look very clean too.  Acknowledging the keen 
 eyes here, it's too bad someone is not on hand to help the seller offer 
 accurate information about each bike. (Is everyone looking at flights to 
 Saint Louis??) 
 Tom

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-5 Frank Brose wrote:

> Good point. I didn't even think about the All Rounder. I actually 
> tried to get Joe Starck to build me a bicycle after he had quite the 
> business. He refused to pick the torch back up and was adamant about 
> never 
> building again. There is not a bike in that whole lot I wouldn't like to 
> own.
> Frank 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:20:33 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-7 Frank Brose wrote:
>> Buy the Goodrich if it fits and can handle the tires you want to run. 
>> They are rare and built by a true craftsman. The quality of Curt's 
>> builds 
>> are second to none and most custom builders would attest to that and 
>> they 
>> have a ride to match. I know because I had Curt build me a 650b bike 
>> that 
>> would fit 42's back when the 650b's were just starting to become 
>> popular. 
>> I've had at least 6 different Riv's. All fine bikes but not as fine as a 
>> Goodrich. You won't be disappointed and if you are you'll certainly be 
>> able 
>> to find someone to take it off your hands. 
>>
>> As a point of fact, the All Rounder might very well have been made by 
>> Curt Goodrich.  If not him, then Joe Starck or, maybe Richard Sachs.  If 
>> the builder is an important consideration to you (and I'd agree it might 
>> as 
>> well be), then you won't go wrong with that one. 
>>
>> The Ram is one of the earlier ones - probably orange prior to the 
>> re-paint (and brake mod?).  It and both of the Homers (or Homer and 
>> re-painted Saluki) are Toyo built.  Also very high quality.  (The lugs 
>> are 
>> the giveaway)
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at 
>> them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>> likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to 
>> be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when 
>> I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming 
>> the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
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[RBW] Re: Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

Thank you, Bill. I got off the phone with him a bit ago, and he couldn't 
read the tire sizes (I did ask), but he said the standover was about 33 
1/4" on the Ram. And he did say that he thought the bikes were bigger than 
what the owner would normally ride. (I took this to me traditional 
Riv-sizing." I was hoping to get there this afternoon, but I don't know if 
that will happen now. I am also curious about that Goodrich. Hopefully I 
get to report back soon.

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, since 
> the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>
> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and that 
> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>
> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>
> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was actually 
> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, when 
> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>
> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>> 
>>  
>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>> Thanks, everyone.
>
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[RBW] Nice Rivendell, Goodrich and Sevens for Sale

[matt miller]

Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
 
for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one likely 
custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Matt Beecher]

I'm sorry to hear that.  I had a similar event a few years ago on a "new 
bike day".  I was riding along on my new-to-me Atlantis and taking a turn 
at what seemed like a safe speed.  I think my tires hit a dense patch of 
goose poop, causing the wheels to go out from under me.  I barely 
remembered the event, as it also happened very quickly.  Most of my memory 
is in the immediate events afterwards, such as putting my finger back in 
place instinctively, realizing that doing so caused absolutely no pain and 
felt like popping a knuckle.  

I found myself very fortunate, though I did have some moderate injuries, 
much less than yours.  I hope your recoveries go faster than mine, because 
it took several months before I was comfortable supporting my upper body on 
my wrist, then years to fully heal in my shoulder, particularly if I had to 
lift my arms above my head.   

I cannot say much about riding upright, as I have not been too interested 
in doing so.  I did try moustache bars on the Atlantis after the crash and 
it did help with remove some weight off my wrists, but I was never all that 
happy with them.  I then tried the old variety of crazy bars from VO, but I 
liked those even less(too wide).  I'm back to the original drop bars now. 

I hope you can get back on the bike as soon as you would like.  
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:09:46 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen 58cm Rivendell Atlantis - Berkeley

[Matt Beecher]

Ugh, I thought I mentioned it, but maybe edited it out.  I am very sorry 
for the loss.  Short of my dogs, I don't know what else might hurt more to 
be stolen than my bike.  

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:47:00 PM UTC-6 Matt Beecher wrote:

> As someone who has been very casually looking for a 58, can you provide 
> any information that would help identify your frame, in case it gets parted 
> out or rebuilt?  Do you have any photos of scratches, scuffs, etc that can 
> help us spot it.  
>
> A long-running fear of mine when buying used bikes is that they could have 
> been stolen at some point.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:38:01 AM UTC-6 Dave wrote:
>
>> Hello, 
>>
>> My 58cm Atlantis was stolen from my front porch yesterday afternoon, near 
>> UC Berkeley. 
>>
>> I can't find a picture of the current build, however:
>> It is notable for the Nitto Bullmoose Bars and silver Pletscher rear 
>> rack. At the time of theft it also had fenders, a mini front rack + basket, 
>> sackville panniers, and lights. 
>> It is a standard, green 58cm Toyo Atlantis from around 2005.. 
>>
>> If you have any leads please let me know. 
>>
>> Best, .
>> Dave 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen 58cm Rivendell Atlantis - Berkeley

[Matt Beecher]

As someone who has been very casually looking for a 58, can you provide any 
information that would help identify your frame, in case it gets parted out 
or rebuilt?  Do you have any photos of scratches, scuffs, etc that can help 
us spot it.  

A long-running fear of mine when buying used bikes is that they could have 
been stolen at some point.  

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:38:01 AM UTC-6 Dave wrote:

> Hello, 
>
> My 58cm Atlantis was stolen from my front porch yesterday afternoon, near 
> UC Berkeley. 
>
> I can't find a picture of the current build, however:
> It is notable for the Nitto Bullmoose Bars and silver Pletscher rear rack. 
> At the time of theft it also had fenders, a mini front rack + basket, 
> sackville panniers, and lights. 
> It is a standard, green 58cm Toyo Atlantis from around 2005.. 
>
> If you have any leads please let me know. 
>
> Best, .
> Dave 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

[Matt Beecher]

I should have added that mine closes via magnets.  

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Kevin
>
> Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
> Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  
>
> I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping 
> price?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> 7346 Cutting Blvd
> El Cerrito, CA
> 94530
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:
>
>> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>>
>> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
>> storage. 
>>
>> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
>> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
>> you think my price is off.
>>
>>
>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Kevin
>> In Madison, WI
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Bar Sack & Nitto F15 rack

[Matt Beecher]

It is worthwhile, because it saved me an email.  FWIW, I really like mine 
and would not have minded a spare.  

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:48:55 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Intended that reply only to the author, but probably little harm done.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Sure, I'll take it.  Is there any kind of closure/retention for the lid?  
>> Is it velcro?  Magnets?  I feel like it was magnetic.  
>>
>> I could paypal you $150 now and then again when you have a shipping 
>> price?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> 7346 Cutting Blvd
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 94530
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:20:33 AM UTC-8 Kevin M wrote:
>>
>>> $150 plus shipping, OBO
>>>
>>> This bag has low miles, but it has a bit of beusage from general use and 
>>> storage. 
>>>
>>> These aren't made any more and don't come up for sale very often, so I 
>>> think this is a fair prices, but certainly feel free to make an offer if 
>>> you think my price is off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dAT47NWQHqFWNS8w7
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Kevin
>>> In Madison, WI
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[Matt Beecher]

I know these are sold out, but figured I would post in case there is 
another batch made.  Mine arrived fast and I am happy with the purchase.  I 
sorta wish I bought two, but now I am hoping there might be a color change 
in another batch.  

I also have a big head and it fits me fine.  

If I could add any input, I don't think the leather strap offers much in 
the way of improvement.  It is not bad, but I probably would prefer it just 
be the same fabric as the rest of the hat.  

Cheers,
Matt

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:31:35 PM UTC-6 edwardb...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What’s the fit? Average? Asking because I have a big noggin :/ a lot of 
> baseball hats don’t fit right. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:07 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I made a very small batch of Suntour hats. They're on Adams LP 
>> 101 caps, unstructured, with a leather strap out back. 
>>
>> They're $30 shipped CON-US. Please DM me to purchase. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> [image: suntour 01 SM.jpg][image: suntour 02 SM.jpg][image: suntour 03 
>> SM.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] FS 60cm Simple One and 61cm MUSA Homer

[Matt Beecher]

Graham was looking for a Homer in this size and just posted a WTB.  I don't 
know if this sold, but if not, you might want to try and connect.  

TBH, I am maybe a little glad that I did not see the frameset posted, as I 
don't know if I could have resisted a Homer with centerpul braze-ons.  
Beautiful.  

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:06 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> That homer is BEAUTIFUL! 
>
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 6:54:12 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 6:50 PM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Couple of very special bikes up for sale here folks:
>>>
>>> First up is a 60cm Simple One in green 
>>>
>>> Frame measures:
>>>
>>> 58cm st c-c
>>> 58cm tt c-c
>>> 85cm standover
>>>
>>> Cranks are 43/34
>>>
>>> Rear hub has a dingle 17/19 FW on one side and 21 FW on the other.  You 
>>> can use the large ring with the dingle and small ring with the 21.  Pretty 
>>> cool set-up!!!
>>>
>>> Suzue hubs, Atlas rims, 32H f, wheels built by Rich, Soma Shikoros 
>>> 700x42
>>>
>>> Does not come with saddle and light mount but does come with everything 
>>> else (pedals, spurcycle bell, handlebar bag)
>>>
>>> I can't remember the name of the handlebars but they're made by VO. Stem 
>>> is a nitto technomic.  Rides butter smooth, a very cool bike, nice upright 
>>> riding position.  Reach out with any questions or anything I missed. Paint 
>>> is about right for a bike this age, small chips and scratches not 
>>> dings/dents or issues.
>>>
>>> $2,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp, 
>>> zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.
>>>
>>> _
>>>
>>> Next up is one of my grail bikes, an absolute sweetheart.
>>>
>>> 61cm Made in the USA Homer Hilsen
>>>
>>> Measures:
>>>
>>> 59cm st c-c
>>> 58cm tt c-c
>>> 86cm standover
>>>
>>> Custom french blue with braze on centerpulls and Compass brakes
>>>
>>> This frame was built by Waterford.
>>>
>>> Super upright zero offset Analog stem with Whisky drops.
>>>
>>> Veloce 10 speed groupset.
>>>
>>> 40/30 rings on a VO crank
>>>
>>> 12/30 rear cassette
>>>
>>> Compass barlow pass 700x38 tires
>>>
>>> White Industries hubs, 99% sure they are dyad rims, 32H f
>>>
>>> I had a hell of a time figuring out how to get rid of brake squeal in 
>>> the rear.  I spend many many hours screwing with toe-in.  Then I thought 
>>> the brakes were too powerful so I had a friend machine me a custom brake 
>>> booster.  Then I tred lightly scoring the rim and padsand then I read 
>>> that the salmon pads that compass brakes come with sometimes squeal with 
>>> certain rims.  Tested the rear with el cheapo black post brakes and presto, 
>>> no more squeal.  I ordered new black pads for the rear but they're not set 
>>> up perfect.  Might take a little time in the stand to get them 100%.
>>>
>>> Full disclosure the local guy that built this wheelset got the dish 
>>> wrong and it's a couple MM offset to the non-driveside.  There needs to be 
>>> about 2mm shorter spokes on the driveside to fix the dish (or thread the 
>>> existing spokes another 2mm).  I never noticed a difference, they stayed 
>>> true and I never felt anything so I just got lazy and rode it as-is. 
>>>
>>> Paint is approaching perfect on this one...maybe some small scratches 
>>> here or there but otherwise very very nice.  Absolutely no dings or major 
>>> issues.  Rides like an exotic super car yet has a comfortable riding 
>>> position.  Plush and zippy.
>>>
>>> Comes with everything pictured minus saddle.
>>>
>>> $3,200 shipped conus with non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp, 
>>> zelle)  Paypal G also available but add 3%.
>>>
>>> Combo deal for $5,200
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>> There's pictures and a walk-around video for both of these here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-4vUjN4Z2St_rQ59VIL1Zx7ky-w4_Pyh?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I'll also reply to this message with one image for each.  Let me know if 
>>> I forgot anything!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alex Wirth
>>> Rochester, NY
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[RBW] Re: WTB 61 A. Homer Hilsen

[Matt Beecher]

Alex Wirth was trying to sell a very nice looking bike not too long ago.  I 
don't see anything that said it sold, so you might want to find that post, 
if you are open to buying a full bike.  I don't know if he was considering 
selling the frameset, but you can always ask.
  

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-6 Graham McCall wrote:

> I'm looking at picking up an A. Homer Hilsen in a 61- anyone have a frame 
> they're willing to part with?
>
> Thanks, 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Matt Beecher]

IMO, the peak of my interest remains with the Atlantis and Saluki, though I 
would like to try one of the Toyo Homers of the 700c variety and maybe a 
Wilbury.  The move to being upright does not interest me, yet, and I have 
not seen anything that interests me in a new frameset.  I imagine one day I 
might be looking for an upright bike, but I wonder what the options will be 
at that time.

I do like some of the clothing options they offer, namely the wool, but 
none of it fits me, with my long arms/torso.  I'm a big fan of the sweaters 
from a few years ago though, because the sleeves appear designed to roll 
up, but would love to see more items with long arms for riders wanting to 
keep their wrists warm on cold rides.  I'd love to see a heavier equivalent 
to the Surly wool jersey, with the extra long sleeves and thumb holes.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego





On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:35:52 AM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Nov 12, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Eric Peterson  wrote:
> > 
> > Saw a comment from Ted Durant, recall we rode a 200k brevet together on 
> our RIvs back in 2016.
>
> Pictures prove it happened. Alas, I was on my Terraferma, not my Riv. But 
> I was wearing my Riv hat. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Bump: 60cm Wilbury looking for new home. $2500

[Matt Beecher]

I'm probably just kicking the tires on this, but what are the theoretical 
top tube lengths on these things?  Were they designed to be upright, or do 
they work equally well for drop bars?  

Best regards,
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 60 Riv Simpleone Frame/Fork

[Matt Beecher]

Did you see Alex Wirth's post?

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 7:26:01 AM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Bumping this again, still searching!
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:35:43 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> All this talk of Riv Singlespeeds by Bill and others  has me wanting to 
>> try out a Simpleone Frame. I passed one up years ago and am kicking myself 
>> for it now.
>>
>> I recently built up a Trek 520 as a fixed gear and while I love it, it 
>> leaves much to be desired, mainly in terms of tire/fender clearance. I can 
>> fit 32mm tires, but alas there's not enough clearance for fenders.
>>
>> A simpleone would allow much more room for wider tires/fenders, and put 
>> me solidly back in the Riv Owners Bunch membership (currently no Rivs in 
>> the stable).
>>
>> Anyone have one they're sitting on. I'm set on components/wheels, just 
>> need the frame/fork and maybe the headset.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mike in Minneapolis
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Mamachari, rider experience, ride quality, etc.

[Matt Maceda]

Hello! Does anyone have any experience with a "mamachari"? For anyone not 
knowing; Introducing the Mamachari 
.
A Bridgestone Wedgerock 27" popped up in my zone and I was wondering if 
anyone had any bike of this type in their collection. I like the idea of 
this tough, utilitarian bike, mostly designed to live outside in the 
elements. I'm not afraid of 27" wheels or the heavy weight. What's your 
take on the mamachari?

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[matt miller]

Wow. You all are amazing. I've got sizing info, plenty of other models to 
check out, and many ideas for builds. Those Soma are kind of cool. The 
Schwinn are available. Never heard of SR. I don't have Eric's skill, and 
I'm 100% she doesn't want me to commit the time to get there. (Although I 
some non-parenting quiet time in the basement over the winter sounds 
awesome!) I'll see what she thinks. She definitely wants a step-through. 
(I'm sure I'll be there myself in 5-10 years.)

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 2:27:47 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I would recommend a Handsome Devil step-through aka She Devil.  It's going 
> to have a little more lively steering than a Riv due to lower trail. The 
> frame itself is also not as nice and a little heavier than a Riv 
> Platy/Betty, but it still has very clean welds.  No lugs.  You could also 
> build it with a IGH rear hub because it has semi-horizontal rear dropouts 
> to tension the chain. The folks at Handsome are good people to work with. 
> The Devil was originally a nod to Bridgestone bikes.
>
> I had a Handsome Devil for years all decked out in Riv Style before I got 
> my Platy.
>
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Betty Foy Sizing & Search

[matt miller]

Hello all,

I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically likes a 
Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not really in to 
changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting and trail rides 
<10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?

Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone have 
old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and searched, 
but been coming up empty.

She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.

Thanks,
Matt in STL

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Re: [RBW] Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[matt miller]

Nice one on Facebook 
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1011486256914408/

He says he will take to bike shop.
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:02:04 AM UTC-5 Matt B. wrote:

> The final version of quickbeam, which came with silver paint, did have a 
> kickstand plate. The QB never had those fork dropouts though as those came 
> later on the hunqapillar in about 2011 or so.  My guess is that ebay 
> listing is a simpleone with canti posts removed.
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think some SO frames had caliper brakes, but they only went up to a 
>> 62cm size. Though I don’t recall the QB had a kickstand plate. Maybe the 
>> later ones did. 
>>
>> But why would anyone take off canti posts to use caliper brakes? “Hey, 
>> let’s take off my powerful and light brakes and put on something without 
>> any power in the wet. That’ll be exciting!”
>>
>> Sorry. Don’t get me started on long reach brakes. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to 
>>> be a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also 
>>> it's a 64cm. 
>>>
>>> *Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a 
>>>> Simpleone.  
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey group,
>>>>>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
>>>>>> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[Matt B.]

The final version of quickbeam, which came with silver paint, did have a 
kickstand plate. The QB never had those fork dropouts though as those came 
later on the hunqapillar in about 2011 or so.  My guess is that ebay 
listing is a simpleone with canti posts removed.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I think some SO frames had caliper brakes, but they only went up to a 62cm 
> size. Though I don’t recall the QB had a kickstand plate. Maybe the later 
> ones did. 
>
> But why would anyone take off canti posts to use caliper brakes? “Hey, 
> let’s take off my powerful and light brakes and put on something without 
> any power in the wet. That’ll be exciting!”
>
> Sorry. Don’t get me started on long reach brakes. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Not in this size*, and the SimpleOne was canti as well. This appears to 
>> be a QB with the canti studs knocked off, then the clearcoat done. Also 
>> it's a 64cm. 
>>
>> *Some small silver QBs had caliper brakes. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a 
>>> Simpleone.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>
>>>> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey group,
>>>>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
>>>>> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thinking about getting a 62 Quickbeam

[Matt Beecher]

Did the QB ever come without cantis?  I would assume that is a Simpleone.  

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 1:02:56 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

>
> Hello Tom,
>
> Not mine, but a nice looking 62 QB frame/fork on the bay now...
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/364015264475?hash=item54c10022db:g:SzwAAOSwD79jEA9r=enc%3AAQAHoHwOqNWKMXHgc3oWyVn7pYPofBnuW5KG%2BoPQYyGHw3W5Fsfi278BWZin%2FGqnOZzDrWipsEVRl3DPDOIhASKUW968jEuKj49QYo3jTAqPBpMecpPHLrK2mmAyrgkZAI1sTF0XB2epZ4zk52Mkr4rj3WPFqdkj9wfeClKfmTrIuEUKfAJ%2F2QGA18n2Idq1vJd9pnww4UQOZqCh0ds1J9j5jn0%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7CYj8T9YA
>
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 10:17:13 AM UTC-4 tc wrote:
>
>> Hey group,
>> If anyone is thinking about selling or trading a 62 Quickbeam in good 
>> condition, I'd like to discus with you - thanks.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm SimpleOne

[Matt Beecher]

Guessing they are these.

https://crustbikes.com/products/magic-components-dango-bros

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:25:09 PM UTC-5 steve wrote:

> Beautiful bike.  Where did you get the smiley face cable carriers?
> Steve
>
> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 12:17:35 PM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A quick explanation of what's going on here:
>>
>> I purchased this bike a year ago and decided to polish it up to new with 
>> some classy bits and bobs while also recruiting Rick @ D to do a crimson 
>> & cream fully accented paint job.  In the process I stumbled upon a very 
>> nice 58cm Quickbeam and I feel that while the renovated bike looks amazing, 
>> doesn't get the attention it deserves based on the way the QB is set up for 
>> the riding I do around my house  Everything has been professionally 
>> updated and all the parts are new.  I've put on about 40 miles since it's 
>> been rebuilt and I think it really turned out lovely.  As with many bikes, 
>> I feel that the price is appropriate (I'm taking a haircut on the bike from 
>> what I've put into it) but also would be flexible on it as I'd be willing 
>> to keep anything on it, especially the newly built wheelset, to bring your 
>> cost down.  please connect with me privately if interested.
>> Photos:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/196122347@N08/52213400520/in/album-72177720300508394/
>> build:
>>
>> 56cm SimpleOne
>>
>> Polished Paul bits (tall n handsome + neo retro + touring cantis)
>>
>> Polished smiley face cable carriers
>>
>> Campy headset
>>
>> SKF jis bb 107
>>
>> Crust towel rack wrapped with brooks tape to match brooks b17 saddle 
>>
>> Rene herse 48t crank to surly 18t free hub
>>
>> Paul flip flop rear hub with surly 18t fix as well
>>
>> Front hub polished sp7 dyno
>>
>> Wheels polished quill 700c w/ ultradynamico grey rose/cava tires
>>
>> Paul Funky monkey front and rear polished
>>
>> Front dyne lamp and rack not included
>>
>> Buyer would be responsible for shipping and PayPal fees, free local 
>> pickup in Omaha :)
>>
>> Asking $2400.00
>>
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Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[matt miller]

Saw this on Craigslist 
<https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/van-nuys-rivendell-homer-hilsen-61cm/7544335378.html>
 
last week, but the owner didn't want to ship it to me. He now posted it on 
Paceline, too.
Someone should go buy this and then sell it to me! Ha. Seems like a good 
price, but I'm not sure about the seat post.
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=288265

Cheers,
Matt
On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-5 Huston wrote:

> Hunqapillar: 58cm; modified with disc brakes
> Vermont
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225199291886
>
> --Huston
> Lexington, KY
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:15:54 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Liz continues to hook up the 58cm frames in the DC market... even when 
>> they're listed as 60cm frames! (Like the Hillborne I got last year) 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:51:20 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking 58cm SimpleOne for sale in Washington, DC!
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/7544082611.html
>>>
>>> -- Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:02:26 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>>>> 62cm, double top tube
>>>> $1,000
>>>> Havre de Grace, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659471725439195/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>>
>>>> [image: 309111465_5068415423263209_7180659657528188289_n.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:10:10 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clem L
>>>>> 59cm
>>>>> $1350
>>>>> Napa, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-rivendell-clem-59-cm/7543048146.html
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tall Rando Bag by Acorn, gray waxed canvas, $160 plus $20 shipping

[Matt Beecher]

For anyone that is not familiar with these, they are possibly the finest 
handlebar bags on the market.  I have one of this size and a medium for my 
Saluki.  I found it best to mount with a decaleur, such as what is sold by 
Velo Orange, for extra stability on the rack.  

The rear bags are nice too, but I'll never give up my rando bags as long as 
I have a suitable bike to put them on.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> Here's a link to more photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ALkq9kzAXWfgKTM69
>
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> This is a nice bag. It's in very good shape. 
>>
>> Here's a link to the product description:
>>
>> https://www.acornbags.com/products/tall-rando-bag?variant=9075503169580
>>
>> Here are some photos:
>> [image: 20221010_175238.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: my new 2 speed coaster brake Susie

[Matt Fitzgerald]

[image: IMG_4215.PNG]
Thanks for the kind words, all! J and Leah, here is a photo of the 
drivetrain. 
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:55:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know if I could live with no front brake lever to grab in an 
> emergency stop - what if I forget it's coaster brake only??! - but this is 
> SO cool. I love the "only what you need and nothing more" look and 
> vibe..nice work, Matt! 
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-7 Matt Fitzgerald 
> wrote:
>
>> I've had my new Susie since June, but ordered the frame months earlier. 
>> This gave me a lot of time to consider the dream setup, and time to sell 
>> the Clem H I'd been riding for a couple of years. I loved that bike, but it 
>> was a bit too much of a Lincoln Town Car to qualify as the dream bike I 
>> dreamt of. This one fits the bill. It is a XL Susie in the green color. As 
>> I purchased parts, I realized I was pursuing an idealized version of my 
>> childhood bike. I grew up in the 1970's in northern michigan, riding a 
>> green Schwinn sting ray that my father refashioned into a "bmx" when that 
>> craze hit. The bike had a wild frame, fat tires, a coaster brake, single 
>> speed, with black handlebars, a black saddle, and green pedals. As an 
>> adult, my favorite (stolen) bike had been a Surly Cross Check set up as a 
>> single speed, with rim brakes and north road bars. I loved that bike's 
>> simplicity. 
>>
>> I'd never built a bike up from the frame before buying the Susie, but 
>> youtube is my friend. While waiting on the frame, I bought a 2 speed 
>> kickback sturmey archer hub, a salsa gordo front wheel with a black rim and 
>> shimano dynamo hub, a black sugino RD2 crankset, a black seatpost, cheap 
>> green oversized mb pedals, a black quill stem, a dynamo headlight, black 
>> handlebar tape, and chunky black grips. All of these items were used but 
>> the rear hub. I had a brooks cambium saddle, Surly ET tires, and an older 
>> Nitto albatross handlebar on a bike I put together for my son. I switched 
>> these out for stuff in our garage and he hasn't yet complained. The photo 
>> below is of the bike with the Salsa sparrow handlebars I switched out for 
>> the nittos. When the rear hub arrived, I took it to the wonderful folks at 
>> Boulevard Bikes (I live in Chicago) and asked them to build a rear wheel. 
>>
>> And then, when the frame was delivered I realized how difficult it is to 
>> set up a bike with vertical dropouts as a single speed! I bought a couple 
>> of chains, a chain tool, and a pile of rear cogs. After 500,000 attempts, I 
>> nailed it. 
>>
>> My first ride was from our place on the north side, down through various 
>> paths in Lincoln Park, to State Street in the Gold Coast, into the loop, 
>> then South on Michigan to Hyde Park, and back home along the Lakefront. It 
>> was a gorgeous evening in mid-June, warm but not hot. The bike took me 
>> straight back to childhood. It was geared way too high, so each turn of the 
>> pedals rushed me forward. I've been riding a coaster brake Raleigh 20 for 
>> years, and am very comfortable with that setup. For city riding, it 
>> requires focus and a lot of anticipation, which are good practices 
>> regardless of how you stop. The 2 speed kickback wasn't immediately 
>> intuitive, but I immediately loved both the limitation it imposes, and the 
>> option it provides. After a few months, switching between the two gears has 
>> become second nature. 
>>
>> We spent a month up in Michigan this summer. Before leaving, I took the 
>> bike back to Boulevard to make sure I hadn't done anything that would kill 
>> me. I asked them to switch the gearing, anticipating a lot of hills in 
>> Michigan. It didn't take them nearly as long as it took me, and they set up 
>> a perfect gear ratio. I rode a mix of pavement, dirt roads and forest 
>> trails daily, and grew to love the bike more with each ride. It is 
>> comfortable and aggressive, quite relaxed, but able to burst and leap. The 
>> hills made my legs stronger. I'll probably switch to a more conventional 
>> setup with rim brakes and a rear derailer eventually, but for now, I'm in 
>> bike heaven. 
>>
>> Gratefully, 
>> Matt in Chicago
>> [image: IMG_1873.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: 57cm lugged Roadini Protovelo

[matt miller]

What would you guess clearance would be with fenders? TY.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> Life situations force sale. 
>
> Rivendell Protovelo with identical geometry to the 57cm Roadini but lugged 
> and in Romulus blue. 
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Build list:
>
> Compass maes 44 handlebars
> Nitto technomic stem
> FSA Riv headset
> Dia Compe Gran Compe 202Q (QR) brake levers
> Blue lug acrylic handlebar tape
> New cables
> Dura ace 8 bar end shifters
> Compass 35mm extra light tires
> Velocity A23 rims laced to 105 hubs
> Brand new Sugino XD crankset 
> 110mm bottom bracket (didn’t pull it, smooth)
> No pedals
> Nitto S83 seatpost
> Selle Italia flite saddle
> Baggins bag (just rewaxed and leather treated)
> Tektro 539 rear, 536 (standard reach) front with brand new kool stop pads 
> and holders
> XT RD-M772 rear derailleur
> Ultegra 6500 front derailleur
> 8 speed 12-34 cassette
> Salsa side entry cages
>
> I think that’s it. The original owner said he thought it had a Roadeo 
> fork. Grant couldn’t recall much about it, but said they had them made in 
> Taiwan and the US circa 2011-2012. No serial number. 
>
> It rides beautifully. I set PRs on segments my first time out. 
>
> I’ve taken up close photos of all blemishes. No dents, cracks or damage. 
>
> Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hQkyuVzjfQTmgjrcA
>
> $1500 plus shipping. I’ll pack on my dime.
>
> Please reach out with any questions. 
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Matt Beecher]

My problem is that the town was engulfed relatively recently by the Chicago 
suburbs.  It probably would not have supported a LBS in the past, so this 
one opened maybe 20 years ago(guessing).  They don't seem to appreciate 
well made steel bikes, catering to a lot of CF and aluminum.  I would not 
expect that they would have the taps needed.  

I suspect they also think I am weird, referring once to me as a 
"tinkerer".  I assume it is because of some of the relative oddities I come 
in with, from 1940's/1950's bikes, to Rivs with dynamo lighting.  They had 
never seen dynamo wiring before and were confused about them.  .

Matt

On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 7:06:01 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I bought the hanger alignment tool several years back - a great 
> investment. Bikes get knocked around over the years. A lot of my bikes 
> needed alignment. Especially important on bikes with indexed shifting.
> The derailleur tap also helped with new frames - the hanger is always full 
> of paint.
> I used to feel bad about not using the LBS, but not any more. These guys 
> (why no women?), some of whom are half the age of of my older bikes, are 
> always trying to sell me on something that I don't want or need, like 
> tubeless. If you have 25+ bikes, no way I want to add higher maintenance 
> items to my bikes to solve a problem that I don't have - I have no idea 
> what a pinch flat is. They don't carry even the simplest of items, I went 
> to 4 shops and none of them had a seatpost binder bolt - evidently all new 
> bike use clamps.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:23:50 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Extremely sad if you can’t trust your LBS with such an easy job. Might be 
>> worth just getting the tools and doing it yourself. Or look for the LBS 
>> that looks so rundown nobody would think to go, they usually have the skill 
>> to do anything on a steel frame. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 2:24:33 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> I also think it is sad that they are not doing this prep. I would have 
>>> no confidence in my LBS doing that well, which would make me second guess 
>>> whether to get another Riv.  I'm hoping that some amount of pleading will 
>>> get them to reconsider this, if I am ever interested in buying another new 
>>> Riv. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *The missing binder bolt signals to me that this frame needs threads 
>>>> chased and the derailleur hanger checked/straightened, I kinda wish Riv 
>>>> wasn't selling them to folks this way but I guess it speeds up the process 
>>>> of getting frames sold and shipped. 
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini 61 on Craigslist (not mine)

[Matt Beecher]

I also think it is sad that they are not doing this prep. I would have no 
confidence in my LBS doing that well, which would make me second guess 
whether to get another Riv.  I'm hoping that some amount of pleading will 
get them to reconsider this, if I am ever interested in buying another new 
Riv. 

On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:59:39 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
>
> *The missing binder bolt signals to me that this frame needs threads 
> chased and the derailleur hanger checked/straightened, I kinda wish Riv 
> wasn't selling them to folks this way but I guess it speeds up the process 
> of getting frames sold and shipped. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking measurements on Nitto 34F

[Matt Beecher]

Thanks Brent.  I appreciate it.  I also have similar floors, in my ca 
1920's house.  Your stain even looks to be nearly the same.  Beautiful!!

Best regards,
Matt

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 3:43:39 PM UTC-5 Brent B wrote:

> Hey Matt, See attached!
>
> I have this rack and have used it on my 53cm MIT Atlantis and a 52 Clem -- 
> both bikes had just enough room to squeeze in a fender in between the rack 
> and a 2.2" tire when mounted w/ the rack in its middle vertical position. 
>
> Also Blue Lug's Flickr has all kinds of examples of bikes set up with that 
> rack:
> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=9108763%40N08_all=1=34f
>
> -Brent
>
> On Sunday, 21 August 2022 at 11:31:55 UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> Can someone with a Nitto 34F please measure it to tell me the distance 
>> from the bottom of the platform at the top to the three holes used for 
>> mounting?  I'm trying to determine if/how it would fit my 56cm Atlantis 
>>
>> Thank you in advance...
>>
>> [image: Nitto 34F measurements.png]
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt B in Oswego
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Matt Beecher]

I've ridden several, but the Saluki is my favorite.

Models that I have tried: Toyo Atlantis, Waterford Atlantis, Taiwan 
Atlantis, Waterford Road Standard, Taiwan AHH, Quickbeam, & custom 
singlespeed. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 58 cm Toyo Atlantis

[Matt Beecher]

I was looking a while ago.  I had some opportunities present themself, then 
a few decided against selling.  One remained, but wanted more than I think 
the bike was worth.  Maybe you are willing to spend more than I.  

https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3324393/

I ended up buying back an old Saluki I once owned, along with a Gitane TDF, 
and a significantly OT 1930's frameset for significantly less.  I nearly 
had a repainted Atlantis, but the seller had a change of heart at the last 
minute. I'll probably keep looking for the 58 Toyo Atlantis, if somewhat 
more casually.  

Good luck with the hunt!

-Matt

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:37:33 AM UTC-5 Dave C wrote:

> I appreciate the help. I should have said I want a single top tube, 
> Toyo-built, shorter chainstayed version of the Atlantis. I had a 2004 and 
> the single top tube 58 is what I am interested in. 
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 9:02:26 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Here are two 59s:
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/santa-fe-59cm-rivendell-atlantis/7518558404.html
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59-less/7515767824.html
>>
>>
>> And a 56 Toyo:
>>
>> https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/bik/d/tomahawk-56cm-toyo-built-rivendell/7506043832.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>>
>> Had a 61 cm, it was a little big for me. I am looking for a good 
>> condition 58 cm Toyo Atlantis. Let me know in a direct reply if you are 
>> interested in selling. Thanks, Dave 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matt Maceda]

Although not a Riv, I reckon there might be a little overlap of interest in 
this:

Soma Buena Vista 54cm - $1,200 (Oceanside)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/oceanside-soma-buena-vista-54cm/7513472653.html

Looks like a nice price with lots of accessories. Somebody scoop it up!
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:30:02 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> Rivendell Road Standard
> 59cm
> 1,000
> Redondo Beach, CA
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/redondo-beach-rivendell-road-standard/7510004831.html
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:37:08 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Atlantis
>> 59cm
>> 3600
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-59cm/7511867606.html
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Items

[Matt Beecher]

The photo link does not work.

Is this the platsack/rack that was on Ebay recently.  If so, I am a bit 
disappointed. 

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:30:02 AM UTC-5 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello! I got some Sackville bags for sale.. let me know if you have any 
> questions or want more pictures.. everything is in excellent condition.
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipMKWulA2fuZBrkASdfXTp_Q_24OVLef_HMam1d0
>
> Platsack/Platrack - $180 shipped. 
>
> Brown Trunksack - $80 shipped.
> Olive Trunksack - $80 shipped.
>
> If local to Bay Area (SF) we can work something out!
>
> Thanks! Mitch 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marinoni Turismo

[Matt Beecher]

Yep, the other was larger, but these are pretty cool, imo. 

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-sales/1002852-marinoni-special-triple-rings-cantilever-brakes-great-condition.html

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:34:44 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Very cool.  I love purple bikes and I remember one like this several years 
> back on Bikeforums.  I think it was taller though, as I recall considering 
> it, but the bike sold before I could finalize a deal.  
>
> Good luck with the sale.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:03:38 AM UTC-5 Damien wrote:
>
>> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 01:02:20 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> aaand a few more pics
>>>
>>> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 01:01:25 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bit of a backstory: I bought this bike and set it up with high upright 
>>>> handlebars with the intention of having my dad ride it. Unfortunately he 
>>>> had a significant health scare very recently (still not recovered) and I 
>>>> realized that he's not really going to use it. Plus he's got some 90's 
>>>> Rocky Mountain which he won't let go of, and I thought, "well, if he's 
>>>> happy with this, I'm happy too." So, I tinkered a bit and tried to find a 
>>>> way to have this fit me but I could not get comfortable myself on it (I'm 
>>>> an 80 PBH, standover on this is 81-82, and the reach still felt a bit long 
>>>> for me even with a short stem and compact bars - and I'm on a 51 in both a 
>>>> Sam and Hunqapillar and don't feel I would have a need for it even if it 
>>>> did fit). So, I thought someone here might appreciate. 
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully it is ok to post this here and even if no interest, I'm 
>>>> hoping someone will find that the bike is at least cool to look at. It 
>>>> really is nice and makes me wish I was taller and longer limbed.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 00:59:36 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately selling this lovely bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2001 Marinoni Turismo Columbus SPX frame and fork
>>>>> 56 cm top tube length
>>>>> ~ 81-82 cm standover
>>>>> Campagnolo Veloce 9x3 speed shifters
>>>>> Campagnolo Veloce RD
>>>>> Campagnolo Triple Crankset
>>>>> Campagnolo Triple FD
>>>>> new cables and housing throughout
>>>>> new Nitto x Crust Shaka Bars
>>>>> new Nitto x Crust 60mm quill stem
>>>>> new Black Inc bar tape
>>>>> Ambrosio 36 hole rims laced to Campagnolo Hubs
>>>>> Blackburn Front and Rear Touring Racks
>>>>> Will not come with the Brooks B17 in the pics but will come with a 
>>>>> used Brooks Cambium saddle
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for $1,300 (USD) and can organize professional boxing and 
>>>>> shipping at the buyers expense (I am located in Canada - if you're in 
>>>>> Canada and interested, can discuss CAD price).
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if any questions. Will happily send more pics!
>>>>> Damien
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marinoni Turismo

[Matt Beecher]

Very cool.  I love purple bikes and I remember one like this several years 
back on Bikeforums.  I think it was taller though, as I recall considering 
it, but the bike sold before I could finalize a deal.  

Good luck with the sale.

Best regards,
Matt

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 12:03:38 AM UTC-5 Damien wrote:

> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 01:02:20 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>
>> aaand a few more pics
>>
>> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 01:01:25 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>
>>> Bit of a backstory: I bought this bike and set it up with high upright 
>>> handlebars with the intention of having my dad ride it. Unfortunately he 
>>> had a significant health scare very recently (still not recovered) and I 
>>> realized that he's not really going to use it. Plus he's got some 90's 
>>> Rocky Mountain which he won't let go of, and I thought, "well, if he's 
>>> happy with this, I'm happy too." So, I tinkered a bit and tried to find a 
>>> way to have this fit me but I could not get comfortable myself on it (I'm 
>>> an 80 PBH, standover on this is 81-82, and the reach still felt a bit long 
>>> for me even with a short stem and compact bars - and I'm on a 51 in both a 
>>> Sam and Hunqapillar and don't feel I would have a need for it even if it 
>>> did fit). So, I thought someone here might appreciate. 
>>>
>>> Hopefully it is ok to post this here and even if no interest, I'm hoping 
>>> someone will find that the bike is at least cool to look at. It really is 
>>> nice and makes me wish I was taller and longer limbed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 22 July 2022 at 00:59:36 UTC-4 Damien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately selling this lovely bike.
>>>>
>>>> 2001 Marinoni Turismo Columbus SPX frame and fork
>>>> 56 cm top tube length
>>>> ~ 81-82 cm standover
>>>> Campagnolo Veloce 9x3 speed shifters
>>>> Campagnolo Veloce RD
>>>> Campagnolo Triple Crankset
>>>> Campagnolo Triple FD
>>>> new cables and housing throughout
>>>> new Nitto x Crust Shaka Bars
>>>> new Nitto x Crust 60mm quill stem
>>>> new Black Inc bar tape
>>>> Ambrosio 36 hole rims laced to Campagnolo Hubs
>>>> Blackburn Front and Rear Touring Racks
>>>> Will not come with the Brooks B17 in the pics but will come with a used 
>>>> Brooks Cambium saddle
>>>>
>>>> Looking for $1,300 (USD) and can organize professional boxing and 
>>>> shipping at the buyers expense (I am located in Canada - if you're in 
>>>> Canada and interested, can discuss CAD price).
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if any questions. Will happily send more pics!
>>>> Damien
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matt Beecher]

No sales history.  I might have considered it, but that will make me pass.  

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:14:04 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Roadini F/F/HS
> 57cm
> $750!
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/385021626200?hash=item59a513c758:g:uyYAAOSwK1pi2q-c
>
> Low mileage. I hope someone can move on this one! 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-07-22 at 11.12.29 AM.png]
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:19:40 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> SimpleOne
>> 62cm
>> 1950
>> Klamath Falls, OR
>>
>> https://klamath.craigslist.org/bik/d/klamath-falls-rivendell-single-speed/7510441213.html
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Advice on a bike trade

[Matt Beecher]

I recommend keeping the Atlantis.

On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 7:21:28 PM UTC-5 frankie garcia wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> I think it also depends on the XO1. The canti orange ones should be worth 
> more… at least to me. 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 21, 2022, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> You are correct, if you really want a perfect XO-1 that's not going to 
>> happen too many more times, we're 29-30 years out from them now. You can 
>> always find another Riv if you want one later, grab that XO.  
>>
>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 4:02:16 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:
>>
>>> Does the rarity effect your choice though? I feel like mint Xo-1 is 
>>> impossible to get now. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll be interested to see what others say. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have a 93 X0-1 but I have other bikes too. I do love the 93 
>>> X0-1; it's an iconic bike. But honestly, I think the 2000 Toyo Atlantis is 
>>> a better-made , more versatile bike as Nikko points out. They're not 
>>> interchangeable and if you're doing any touring , the Atlantis is a 
>>> hands-down winner
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 5:32:07 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>>
 I’d keep the Atlantis. 

 Mounts on the fork, better paint, and it’s Grant’s take on a better 
 version of the XO-1. 

 On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:

> Would you trade your mint 2000 Toyota Atlantis 26” for a Bridgestone 
> Xo-1 in the same condition? 
> Please elaborate. 
>
> -Frankie 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: FS Cargo Bike Stuff

[Matt Beecher]

Probably a good idea to show it on a bike, if you can.  I did not know what 
it was and was curious enough to look it up online.  Not sure whether 
others would bother.  My first thought was that it looked awfully long to 
not have any sort of additional wheel...until I saw what it really was.  

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:33:54 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> A suggestion - I think that you need to post a picture of the Leap without 
> the bags. It isn't very obvious what the frame extension looks like because 
> it is covered up by the bag.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 10:57:24 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> My kids keep growing/multiplying and I have moved on to a full cargo 
>> bike. For the past few years though I have used this Xtracycle Leap kit 
>> with various frames and it has been fantastic. I thought I'd throw it up 
>> here before I post it on CL. The kit comes with the skirts, bags, brackets 
>> for seats... everything you see. The only thing missing is the magic carpet 
>> cushions, which moved to the new bike. I also have a Thule seat that fits 
>> on the Leap and a rear rack that is compatible with the seat. Local pickup 
>> (Southern NJ) for obvious reasons. Please reach out with any questions.
>>
>> Leap - $500
>> Rack - $25
>> Seat - $100
>>
>> Bones
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Matt Beecher]

I'd really like bike like this for a drop bar build, but I just could not 
pull the trigger without knowing the top tube length.  My guess is that 
this is designed for upright riding only, which seems to be the way Riv is 
trending.  Good luck to all those who pick this up.  It looks like a nice 
design.  

Matt

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:58:01 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Good luck to all who will be vying for a Rosco Plat today! If you miss 
> out, comfort yourselves with the arrival of the new Platypuses this fall. 
> But I do hope you get the Rosco, if that's what your heart wants. Whichever 
> you get, you won't be disappointed. There's magic in the Rivendell mixtes, 
> and like Pam Murray once said to me, Every mile on a Rivendell mixte is a 
> golden mile. After nearly 70,000 miles, she should know.
>
> Please let us know if and what you get today!
>
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 6:13:58 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like both colors! Tough choice but since I have a Lime Green Clem I 
>> would choose Anapurple...if I were to buy one
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:51:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
>>> pic of the green one with this text: 
>>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>>
>>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS NIB 55cm Bleriot

[Matt Beecher]

That's crazy.  If these truly ride like the Saluki, this is an amazing 
deal.  

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 11:47:46 AM UTC-5 cramer@gmail.com wrote:

> I was deployed and/or living overseas, the frameset was stored in a 
> climate controlled facility in the frame box unbuilt. $1100, free shipping. 
> $1000 local pickup Denver area. A new Roadini will run you $1300 and IMHO 
> this is a better frameset.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bleriot 55 complete $1000 plus shipping

[Matt Beecher]

That's a crazy good deal!  I'm not personally interested, but I also cannot 
access the photos.  

GLWS!

Matt

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:09:10 PM UTC-5 Valerie Yates wrote:

> I am interested in selling my size 55 Bleriot complete. It is a lovely 
> bike to ride. I have the gearing set for steep dirt roads, at which it 
> excels. It rides similar to a Soma San Marcos - very fluid - with a bit 
> more tire clearance (42 v 38). 
>
> I purchased the Bleriot from a list member in 2017. Our deal was for $1200 
> including shipping and minus saddle, stem, and handlebars. I am hoping to 
> sell it for essentially the same price with a stem and handlebars included, 
> along with a new freewheel. Sale price is $1,000 complete, including 
> professional packing, plus actual charges for bike flights shipping. 
> Shipping to be determined once packed and the ship-to address is known. I 
> am open to offers if someone wants the frame minus specific components or 
> for local pick-up in Boulder/Denver area. 
>
> This bike has ample visible beausage - lots of scratches and dings -- 
> without any serious damage.  The only trouble it has given me is that the 
> rear brake hanger can get in the way of the seat bolt binder. I have to 
> position it very carefully to make sure the seat post does not slip. 
>
> Lots of pictures here 
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/135516352@N04/albums/72177720300363529/with/52199131999/>
> .
>
> *Details*:
> Size 55 measured center to center (which is a good fit for my 82 pbh)
> Saddle as pictured is 71 1/2 , measured diagonally from the center of the 
> crank arm
> Geometry chart 
> <https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/bleriotgeometry.pdf>
> Velocity Synergy 650B 32h rims
> Standover about 81 Fatty Rumpkin tires (great tires! plenty of life left 
> in them)
> Shimano Dynamo front hub DH 3N71 
> B Lumotec Lyt (25 lumens)
> Phil Wood rear hub
> Campagnolo-Brev-Int headset
> Phil Wood bottom bracket (according to previous owner)
> Technomic stem 7
> Nitto handlebars -- likely B136 Rando Touring Bar size 42 
> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-b136-randonneur-touring-bar-drop_handlebar_nitto_b136_870/p?skuId=640084>(very
>  
> comfortable)
> Sugino XD triple 48x36x24
> Shimano Sora FD
> 7 speed freewheel (not a free hub / cassette) SunRun 14x34 (relatively new)
> Paul Components center-pull brakes
> Shimano XT RD
> Tektro brake levers
> Shimano bar-end shifters
>
> Excluded items: saddle, pedals and tail-light
> Bottle cages - optional (no charge either way)
>
> Happy to answer any questions. 
>
> Best,
> Val in Boulder CO
>
> [image: PXL_20220706_203855424.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Bombadil, 56cm Hillborne, 45cm Clem

[Matt Beecher]

They are great bikes and if it does not work out, they are as rare as hens 
teeth, highly sought out, and sell quickly.  I saw the one on Ebay over the 
weekend and assume that is what you bought.  

The long low tempted me quite a bit more, but ultimately decided against it 
and noticed it was gone an hour later.  I probably should have bought it 
and sold my Ram, but the bad photos of the tape measurements were hard to 
read appropriately.   

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:38:05 PM UTC-5 Karl wrote:

> Thanks Matt! Hoping it is all I have it built up to be!
>
> Karl
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 4:29 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
>> Congratulations!  I recently bought back my old silver Saluki, after 
>> failing to find an Atlantis at a reasonable price.  Now I have that to 
>> rebuild, along with a Gitane TdF.  
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt Beecher
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Bombadil, 56cm Hillborne, 45cm Clem

[Matt Beecher]

Congratulations!  I recently bought back my old silver Saluki, after 
failing to find an Atlantis at a reasonable price.  Now I have that to 
rebuild, along with a Gitane TdF.  

Best regards,
Matt Beecher

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[RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[Matt Beecher]

I used to bike commute in Athens when I worked at the EPA and my wife was 
still in Vet School.  It's a nice area and that was where I got back into 
riding as an adult.  It turned out to be as fast/faster than driving 
because I could ride through the campus, instead of hitting all those 
lights by going around the campus.  That's a nice area for cycling, because 
it had a strong cycling community.  Drivers respected the cyclists far more 
than in northern Illinois.

I recall seeing someone ride by on the opposing side of the road every day 
with what looked like a folding bike.  I always assumed it was a college 
professor, but since we were on opposite sides of a 4 lane busy rode, I 
never got to stop and ask.  I wonder if he/she is still cycle-commuting.  

I do recall the feeling of relaxation after getting home from work.  Any 
stress would have melted away.  I've not been able to do quite the same 
thing up here.  My commute is 33 miles now and while there is a nice trail 
I can use to get to work, I just cannot commit to the 2+ hour investment of 
the commute and getting cleaned up before work.  I sometimes ride home on 
Fridays, and back in on Saturdays to get my car.  I've debated the option 
to drive in, ride home, ride in, drive home hybrid style of commuting.  

My not so hidden trick was to save grocery bags and put my dirty clothes in 
those bags and hang them on my bike while I worked, so I did not try to 
save the dirty clothes in the office, nor did I want to put them into a 
pannier, where the stench might linger.  I don't have a sense of smell, so 
I don't know if that was necessary, but it made as much sense as possible 
for someone that doesn't really understand what smells are like, or how 
they work.  

Invest in decent lights for the dark mornings.  It does not take much 
though, so I mostly recommend getting something reliable and maybe 
something as a spare.

Best regards,
Matt - missing Agua Linda and Big City Bread - Beecher

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:41:39 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I rode today and noticed the quietness of my Clem. The friction shifting 
> is almost noiseless and the Silver2 shifter is perfect. The front shifter 
> is the clickety Sun Race that works just fine but does make noise. After a 
> somewhat stressful day at work the ride was just what I needed. I have 
> considered commuting but haven't taken the plunge yet. My commute would be 
> 50 minutes and about 9 miles each way I think, which isn't bad and would 
> help clear my mind. I know Roberta has started bicycle commuting and I'd 
> love to hear hers and others experiences, challenges and benefits.
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis

[Matt Beecher]

Giving this another shot, in case someone might know of one for sale...

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: A Hunq

[Matt Beecher]

If someone has to have pink fenders, there is this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265580783485?hash=item3dd5d9277d:g:RqAAAOSwS0diI8T7

I have no affiliation with the sale, but I remembered spotting them while I 
have been searching for 2 sets of the old beige SKS fenders that are also 
no longer in production.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Who's pre-ordering an Atlantis next week?

[Matt Beecher]

I'm not looking for another MIT Atlantis, since I got a 56 a few years ago, 
but I wish I picked up a 58 AHH a couple months ago.  Those went fast.  

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:50:53 PM UTC-5 CJ wrote:

> I have to admit that for the last decade or so, I haven't been too 
> interested in Rivendell's off-the-peg frame offerings. I have a Rambouillet 
> and a Heron, and briefly owned a 26" wheeled Toyo Atlantis (that had been a 
> wish-list bike for a long time) that I just didn't gel with. I've looked at 
> Riv's current offerings, and the only one in recent years that peaked my 
> interest was the Clem H. After reading the most recent Riv newsletter and 
> seeing the Atlantis pre-order, I took a look, and realized that the 53cm 
> Atlantis is very close in fit and function to the 52cm Clem H. It's kind of 
> got me interested. If I were to buy one, I would have to build a set of 
> wheels, as I don't have any 584 wheelsets. I'd probably rob the rest of the 
> parts to build it off some other bikes, and think about thinning the herd a 
> bit. I've built quite a fleet of 90s MTB beaters, and they are currently 
> enjoying a bit of a moment of popularity, so maybe it's time to release 
> some of them into the wild.
>
> Anyway, that's my story. Is anyone else planning on trying to get an 
> Atlantis? Why? What are your plans for it? 
>
> Any recommendations for 584 rims? I think the Velocity Cliffhanger is the 
> only wide, rim brake rim available in that size. Any others that I've 
> missed. I'd be using 2.2-2.4" tires, so narrow rims need not apply.
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Matt Beecher]

I've got a few Acorn bags.  The medium and tall rando bags are the best I 
have seen, if you want to consider a front rack bag and are willing to 
commit to a decaleur.  The saddle bags are good too, but more on par with 
competition.  The only fault I give Acorn is that they are hard to get, 
though it seems this is a small two person side-hustle, so you cannot 
really blame them for this.  

I have some Sackville bags and they are pretty nice.  I have no complaints 
here, but the fabric does not seem quite as durable, though I think this 
might be an unfair statement.  I've never had a Sackville fail on me before 
and the quality is good.  That said, if I were going to ride across the 
country and needed a saddlebag to last those miles, I would probably go 
with the Acorn.  

I also have two Minnehaha bags.  I picked them up about a decade ago for a 
very cheap price.  I think they were on clearance for about $25.  Without a 
support, I am not a fan, as they have a tendency to sway due to a lack of 
reinforcement.  I like them with the bagman support I picked up.

Surprisingly, I don't think I have ever seen a Carradice in person, though 
I hear good things about them. 

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 5:20:56 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> Hi all - I'm new to the group and figured you all would have opinions on 
> "the best all-around useful saddle bag," if you could only own one.
>
> For context, I ride a Bridgestone CB-0 set up with a front rack and Wald 
> basket. This is great, but I sometimes wish for a little more capacity in 
> the form of a bag. Based on Rivendell's site, the Bagboy or the Happisack 
> seem to fit this "all-around useful" purpose and size. I mostly ride around 
> town but want to do some overnights this summer as well.
>
> Would you recommend definitely getting one over the other? I'm also 
> looking at the Swift Zeitgeist or Catalyst.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] FS New Sackville Hoard found, trunk sacks, saddle sacks, backabikes, discontinued items

[Matt B.]

Got my bag safe and sound, thanks a lot Alex.  

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 6:20:07 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> One last bump before I move these over to flea bay/facespace 
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
> (1) Blue flap $15 each
> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
> (1) Blue bagabond $200
> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:36:47 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> Last grey trunk sack sold.
>>
>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:35:34 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>> Another update, thanks all!
>>>
>>> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
>>> (1) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
>>> (1) Blue flaps $15 each
>>> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
>>> (1) Blue bagabond $200
>>> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
>>> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:38 PM Matt Beecher  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was not the first time my responses to Alex went without reply, but 
>>>> we have that worked out now.  I also had looked at what his email was and 
>>>> assumed the numbers@gmail was Google Group obscuring his real email 
>>>> address.  
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 12:13:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the PM interface on Google Groups is miserable. I would encourage 
>>>>> all list members to use direct email addresses and be patient with 
>>>>> sellers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:27:14 AM UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>>>>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Large blue saddle sack sold
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:13 AM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For clarity here’s an updated list as of right now:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
>>>>>>> (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
>>>>>>> (7) Blue flaps $15 each
>>>>>>> (1) Brown flap $15 each
>>>>>>> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
>>>>>>> (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
>>>>>>> (1) Blue bagabond $200
>>>>>>> (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
>>>>>>> (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
>>>>>>> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
>>>>>>> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either 
>>>>>>> discontinued or not available at the moment)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any 2 trunk sacks for $180
>>>>>>> any two shiners $15
>>>>>>> any 2 flaps for $25
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred 
>>>>>>> (although PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please email me directly at the email address above with your 
>>>>>>> mailing address and I’ll get you sorted lickety split.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 10:33 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
>>>>>>> Bicycles <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Olive flaps are sold
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:21:36 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>>>>>>>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apologies to those that think I ignored them.  GMAIL can sometimes 
>>>>>>>>> put "DM" replies in spam, going back and replying now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's always a good idea to send emails directly to someone's email 
>>>>>>>>> (some did in this case and 

[RBW] Re: looking for a specific headlight mount

[Matt Beecher]

Bingo.  I think this is what I was thinking of.  Thanks Collin!  

Best regards,
Matt

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> I'm assuming you are thinking about VeloLumino...the fender widget might 
> be this one?
> AT headlight mount | Velo Lumino 
> <https://www.velolumino.com/product/at-headlight-mount/6?cp=true=false=false=false_id=3>
>
> Cheers,
> Collin, lungs full of pollen, in Sacramento
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:28:45 AM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I recall seeing a small online shop for someone that was selling parts 
>> that I assumed he machined, or had machined locally.  One of the pieces was 
>> what I think I recall as a arc-shaped piece of aluminum intended to mount a 
>> light to the front of a metal fender.  I cannot seem to find the site 
>> anymore, but I question if it is closed, or if I am just not using the best 
>> keywords.  Does anyone recall anything like what I am poorly describing? 
>>
>> The link below is the closest thing I can find, but I believe the one I 
>> remember being sold and manufactured in the US.  
>>
>> https://alexscycle.com/products/tanaka-fender-light-mount-1
>>
>> [image: light mount example.png]
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>
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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Matt Beecher]

Do what you want and don't get caught up with what others think.  I imagine 
when I put canti's on an early 70's Motobecane LeChampion, people thought I 
was trying to make a cross/touring bike.  I just really liked the bike and 
wanted different brakes...and a small trunk sack up front.  

Of course, you do need to make the paint purple.  Any other color would be 
ludicrous.  :D

Reading ahead, I am also curious if this is considered a Roadeo still, or 
full custom.  What will the decals say?

Best regards,
Matt

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>
> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
> forthcoming bike?
>
> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
>>> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
>>> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
>>> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
>>> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
>>> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
>>> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
>>> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
>>> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
>>> a Canti-Roa.  
>>>
>>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
>>> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
>>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
>>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS New Sackville Hoard found, trunk sacks, saddle sacks, backabikes, discontinued items

[Matt Beecher]

It was not the first time my responses to Alex went without reply, but we 
have that worked out now.  I also had looked at what his email was and 
assumed the numbers@gmail was Google Group obscuring his real email 
address.  

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 12:13:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, the PM interface on Google Groups is miserable. I would encourage all 
> list members to use direct email addresses and be patient with sellers. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:27:14 AM UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> Large blue saddle sack sold
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:13 AM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For clarity here’s an updated list as of right now:
>>>
>>> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
>>> (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
>>> (7) Blue flaps $15 each
>>> (1) Brown flap $15 each
>>> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
>>> (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
>>> (1) Blue bagabond $200
>>> (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
>>> (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
>>> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
>>> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>>>
>>> Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either discontinued 
>>> or not available at the moment)
>>>
>>>
>>> any 2 trunk sacks for $180
>>> any two shiners $15
>>> any 2 flaps for $25
>>>
>>> All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred (although 
>>> PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)
>>>
>>> Please email me directly at the email address above with your mailing 
>>> address and I’ll get you sorted lickety split.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 10:33 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Olive flaps are sold

 On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:21:36 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
 Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Apologies to those that think I ignored them.  GMAIL can sometimes put 
> "DM" replies in spam, going back and replying now.
>
> It's always a good idea to send emails directly to someone's email 
> (some did in this case and we synced up quickly)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex
>
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:36:10 PM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> Small saddle sack is sold
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 1:16 PM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Large grey saddle sack is sold
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 10:31 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
>>> Bicycles <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Some updates as of today, I found another big box of Sackville 
 stuff (from our old shop):

 (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
 (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
 (7) Blue flaps $15 each
 (2) Olive flaps $15 each
 (1) Brown flap $15 each
 (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
 (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
 (1) Grey saddle sack large $220
 (1) Blue bagabond $200
 (1) Blue saddle sack small $145
 (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
 (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
 (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
 (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each

 Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either 
 discontinued or not available at the moment)


 any 2 trunk sacks for $180
 any two shiners $15
 any 2 flaps for $25

 All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred 
 (although PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)

 Cheers!!

 Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS New Sackville Hoard found, trunk sacks, saddle sacks, backabikes, discontinued items

[Matt Beecher]

Well, since I got no reply, I guess I'll have to shop elsewhere.  

GLWS.

Matt

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> PM sent on panniers, XS saddle sack, mudflaps, and a saddle.  Let's set up 
> a bike!
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
>
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 9:31:00 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> Some updates as of today, I found another big box of Sackville stuff 
>> (from our old shop):
>>
>> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
>> (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
>> (7) Blue flaps $15 each
>> (2) Olive flaps $15 each
>> (1) Brown flap $15 each
>> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
>> (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
>> (1) Grey saddle sack large $220
>> (1) Blue bagabond $200
>> (1) Blue saddle sack small $145
>> (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
>> (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
>> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
>> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>>
>> Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either discontinued 
>> or not available at the moment)
>>
>>
>> any 2 trunk sacks for $180
>> any two shiners $15
>> any 2 flaps for $25
>>
>> All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred (although 
>> PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)
>>
>> Cheers!!
>>
>> Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY
>>
>> [image: IMG-0407.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS New Sackville Hoard found, trunk sacks, saddle sacks, backabikes, discontinued items

[Matt B.]

PM'd regarding blue saddlesack large.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 10:31:00 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> Some updates as of today, I found another big box of Sackville stuff (from 
> our old shop):
>
> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
> (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
> (7) Blue flaps $15 each
> (2) Olive flaps $15 each
> (1) Brown flap $15 each
> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
> (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
> (1) Grey saddle sack large $220
> (1) Blue bagabond $200
> (1) Blue saddle sack small $145
> (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
> (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>
> Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either discontinued or 
> not available at the moment)
>
>
> any 2 trunk sacks for $180
> any two shiners $15
> any 2 flaps for $25
>
> All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred (although 
> PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY
>
> [image: IMG-0407.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS New Sackville Hoard found, trunk sacks, saddle sacks, backabikes, discontinued items

[Matt Beecher]

PM sent on panniers, XS saddle sack, mudflaps, and a saddle.  Let's set up 
a bike!

Best regards,
Matt

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 9:31:00 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
Bicycles wrote:

> Some updates as of today, I found another big box of Sackville stuff (from 
> our old shop):
>
> (2) Blue trunk sacks $105 each
> (2) Grey trunk sacks $105 each
> (7) Blue flaps $15 each
> (2) Olive flaps $15 each
> (1) Brown flap $15 each
> (6) Yellow Haus Wunder Sac (snack/handlebar bag) $75 
> (1) Blue saddle sack large $220
> (1) Grey saddle sack large $220
> (1) Blue bagabond $200
> (1) Blue saddle sack small $145
> (1) Blue saddle sack x-small $70
> (2) Blue backabike panniers $250 for the set (will not separate)
> (2) Tan hub shiners $10 each
> (2) Brown hub shiners $10 each
>
> Pretty sure most of these are unobtainium from Riv (either discontinued or 
> not available at the moment)
>
>
> any 2 trunk sacks for $180
> any two shiners $15
> any 2 flaps for $25
>
> All prices are plus shipping, PayPal F or CashApp preferred (although 
> PayPal G is ok if we don't know each other)
>
> Cheers!!
>
> Alex Wirth in Rochester, NY
>
> [image: IMG-0407.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Matt Beecher]

This would be a tough call, but as I get older, the Saluki gets more 
comfortable.   I imagine the Atlantis would hold up better to wear and 
tear.  I imagine the Saluki would win amongst the two, since it can do all 
that I ask of the Atlantis and it weighs a fair bit less.  If I were a 
younger man, I might opt for the Atlantis. 

Thankfully, I don't have to choose to keep only one.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL


On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-5 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:

> MUSA Atlantis 
> Ahmed in San Mateo CA
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 12:07 PM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> AHH
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:22:50 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>>
>>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>>> question yesterday: 
>>>
>>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>>
>>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>>
>>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>>
>>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivish Parts from garage clear-out

[Matt Beecher]

I should have clarified that I am interested in the Campagnolo shifters.

On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:35:08 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I'm interested in the shifters, but cannot get the link to the pictures to 
> work.  Have the shifters been used a lot?
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 10:25:35 AM UTC-5 jayay...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Doing some garage cleanout so I can follow my other passion for a while 
>> and build out a woodshop.  I am local to Los Angeles, but happy to ship.  
>> If shipping is needed, to keep it simple all items are an additional $8 for 
>> shipping in cont. US unless otherwise noted.  Prices are listed, but let me 
>> know if you have a different price in mind, I will in no way be offended.  
>> All items will be shipped within two days of receiving payment, paypal or 
>> venmo preferred:
>>
>> PHOTOS 
>> <https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipM_zQNUv87IWTO5wpielqiUAh2v7iwxt0tOk9E>
>>
>> 1. Brooks Professional Honey Saddle - Very good condition - I bought this 
>> on Ebay as seller listed the saddle did not work for them - I received it 
>> with the small watermarks you see on the top of the saddle.  I used it for 
>> approximately 2 miles as I was trying different leather and cambium saddles 
>> - $135 OBO + shipping
>>
>> 2. Shimano SL-BS77 9 Speed bar end shifters - I bought these to set up 
>> with an XTR derailleur but found it hard for myself to move away from 
>> friction shifting as a commuter.  Some scuffs as pictured, fully functional 
>> - $65 OBO + shipping
>>
>> 3. Shimano Deerhead derailleur set - Both fully functional, I was 
>> planning a classic build but ended up going a different direction.  Signs 
>> of wear, 28.6 clamp on FD - $75 + shipping
>>
>> 4. Campagnolo Daytona 10sp shifter set - These are famed for being able 
>> to use as is with an 8 speed drivetrain and a 9 speed drivetrain with 
>> "Hubbub" routing - it all has to do with cable pull and cassette pitch as 
>> seen here 
>> <https://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/components/transmission-gears/derailleur-gears/shimergo>.
>>   
>> I was drawn to it for the more classic look it offers over shimano 
>> brifters. These were puchased locally as NOS, and I just added new Campy 
>> clamps as pictured.  Alas, I have friction bar ends now on my one and only 
>> bike - $140 + shipping
>>
>> 5. NEW Gravelking Slick tanwall 700c x 28mm - Brand new, in the process 
>> of selling the Bridgestone they were intended for - $65 + $10 shipping
>>
>> 6. Gravelking SK+ Black, 700c x 38mm - These were intended for use on my 
>> commuter but the knobs gave me a little too close of clearance for 
>> comfort.  20 miles on these, maximum - $60 + $10 shipping
>>
>> 7. Ritchey Logic Triple Crank, VGC - Some scrapes from use, but in very 
>> good condition.  Logos almost completely untouched (which is rare from what 
>> I've seen).  Some wear on middle ring - current rings are 46, 36 with 26 
>> granny - $150 + $12 shipping
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer.  Happy 
>> riding! 
>>
>> James
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivish Parts from garage clear-out

[Matt Beecher]

I'm interested in the shifters, but cannot get the link to the pictures to 
work.  Have the shifters been used a lot?

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL
On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 10:25:35 AM UTC-5 jayay...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Doing some garage cleanout so I can follow my other passion for a while 
> and build out a woodshop.  I am local to Los Angeles, but happy to ship.  
> If shipping is needed, to keep it simple all items are an additional $8 for 
> shipping in cont. US unless otherwise noted.  Prices are listed, but let me 
> know if you have a different price in mind, I will in no way be offended.  
> All items will be shipped within two days of receiving payment, paypal or 
> venmo preferred:
>
> PHOTOS 
> <https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipM_zQNUv87IWTO5wpielqiUAh2v7iwxt0tOk9E>
>
> 1. Brooks Professional Honey Saddle - Very good condition - I bought this 
> on Ebay as seller listed the saddle did not work for them - I received it 
> with the small watermarks you see on the top of the saddle.  I used it for 
> approximately 2 miles as I was trying different leather and cambium saddles 
> - $135 OBO + shipping
>
> 2. Shimano SL-BS77 9 Speed bar end shifters - I bought these to set up 
> with an XTR derailleur but found it hard for myself to move away from 
> friction shifting as a commuter.  Some scuffs as pictured, fully functional 
> - $65 OBO + shipping
>
> 3. Shimano Deerhead derailleur set - Both fully functional, I was planning 
> a classic build but ended up going a different direction.  Signs of wear, 
> 28.6 clamp on FD - $75 + shipping
>
> 4. Campagnolo Daytona 10sp shifter set - These are famed for being able to 
> use as is with an 8 speed drivetrain and a 9 speed drivetrain with "Hubbub" 
> routing - it all has to do with cable pull and cassette pitch as seen here 
> <https://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/components/transmission-gears/derailleur-gears/shimergo>.
>   
> I was drawn to it for the more classic look it offers over shimano 
> brifters. These were puchased locally as NOS, and I just added new Campy 
> clamps as pictured.  Alas, I have friction bar ends now on my one and only 
> bike - $140 + shipping
>
> 5. NEW Gravelking Slick tanwall 700c x 28mm - Brand new, in the process of 
> selling the Bridgestone they were intended for - $65 + $10 shipping
>
> 6. Gravelking SK+ Black, 700c x 38mm - These were intended for use on my 
> commuter but the knobs gave me a little too close of clearance for 
> comfort.  20 miles on these, maximum - $60 + $10 shipping
>
> 7. Ritchey Logic Triple Crank, VGC - Some scrapes from use, but in very 
> good condition.  Logos almost completely untouched (which is rare from what 
> I've seen).  Some wear on middle ring - current rings are 46, 36 with 26 
> granny - $150 + $12 shipping
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer.  Happy 
> riding! 
>
> James
>

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[RBW] WTB: 58cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis

[Matt Beecher]

After seeing the post for the bike in Arizona, I thought I should post that 
I'm still looking for a 58cm Atlantis.  Toyo is preferred.  I'd certainly 
consider a Waterford one too.  

If someone is looking for something smaller, I do have one of the Taiwan 
650B Atlantis in what I think was a 56, but with a much greater sloped top 
tube.  I don't want to part with this until I get a 58 though, so I am not 
selling it.  

I've also got an Airborne Carpe Diem and Litespeed Appalachian, if someone 
is looking to try titanium.

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[Matt Beecher]

Hi Joel,

I've had similar requests to keep others in mind if I sell mine, but I 
cannot imagine letting it go.  

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/VlLOB0qumr0

I'm a bit curious how many were made, but always assumed they rarely go up 
for sale because they are spectacular bikes.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:26:34 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Matt.  I had mentioned to Johnny that if he was ever going to sell 
> it I wanted it.  He remembered and was so overly fair.  
>
> Joel
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
>
> That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
> not *the* favorite.  Congrats on the acquisition.
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
>> worn shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
>> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with 
>> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by 
>> the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very 
>> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The 
>> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
>> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I 
>> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
>> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
>> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
>> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known. I am 
>> very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saluki, first ride

[Matt Beecher]

That's a nice bike and build. The Saluki is one of my favorite bikes, if 
not *the* favorite.  Congrats on the acquisition.

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
> worn shorts.  So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect.  Outfitted with 
> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes.  I was quite surprised 
> by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot.  Very 
> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling.  The 
> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more).  I 
> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known.  I 
> am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>
>
>

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