[RBW] Re: Nitto Mark's Rack M-1
The M-1 Rack has been sold. Boy, these are popular, judging from the response. On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-6 R Gonet wrote: > Brand new, it's still in the original packaging from Rivendell. $160, > includes shipping in CONUS and you save on tax, as well. Please reply off > list to ten...@gmail.com. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b021d220-989d-44f7-a767-f0beae2b4d85n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Nitto Mark's Rack M-1
Brand new, it's still in the original packaging from Rivendell. $160, includes shipping in CONUS and you save on tax, as well. Please reply off list to teno...@gmail.com. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6da274d9-f584-457a-99e8-15ddff347199n%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Columbine! It must be July.
Patrick, what part of Colorado and at what altitude? I don't think they do well in Fort Collins. I tried planting some last year and they fizzled quickly. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles
Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me. If he wants to scrap his bikes and cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it. And ask him to post some photos for us to see it happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Identity Crisis. Tire recommendations needed.
Has anybody ridden the relatively new Shikoro from SOMA? They kind of look like the Vitesse but with some additional puncture protection. I've read some reviews on different sites and they get good ratings, both for comfortability and durability. http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/shikoro-700c-clincher-tire > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: SUNRACE One-At-a-Time shifter maintenance?
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:16:40 PM UTC-6, ian m wrote: > > I've been running these for about a year and a half now, and for the past > half the left shifter has been increasingly terrible. On the push it sounds > and shifts fine, but on the pull it sticks, skips, makes horrific sounds, > etc. It's now at the point where it's virtually unusable. Has anyone had > any luck pulling these apart to maintain them? I usually shy away from > parts with small bits that are easily lost, but figured I'd give it a go > before scrapping it. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: SUNRACE One-At-a-Time shifter maintenance?
Ian and Bill, I have a question for you. I decided to replace the Nitto Noodles on my Homer with Albatross bars and ordered the aforesaid Sunraces a week before I encountered this string. Since I used Silver shifters on my Noodles, I still have them. Here's the question: Do they mount to the Sunrace clamps easily or is there some kind of modification kit that is necessary? Thanks. On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 4:29:42 PM UTC-6, ian m wrote: > > I appreciate the offer for the spare, but I'll probably get some silver > shifters in the near future and mount them on the Sunrace clamp. Just > wanted to see if they could get better before they get replaced. Sadly > short life span. > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >> I don't have maintenance advice but I did disassemble a pair of these >> shifters to use the clamping part for one project and the cable stop part >> for another project. The shifter part is the only part that remains. You >> can just have it if you want. Pay it forward to somebody who needs >> something. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 2:16:40 PM UTC-7, ian m wrote: >>> >>> I've been running these for about a year and a half now, and for the >>> past half the left shifter has been increasingly terrible. On the push it >>> sounds and shifts fine, but on the pull it sticks, skips, makes horrific >>> sounds, etc. It's now at the point where it's virtually unusable. Has >>> anyone had any luck pulling these apart to maintain them? I usually shy >>> away from parts with small bits that are easily lost, but figured I'd give >>> it a go before scrapping it. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: The newest BLUG
This has always been a dilemma for me. I remember back in Richmond, VA, a plea by social services agents of some sort that street people not be given handouts because there were programs to help them and that the handouts only perpetuated their living on the street. I don't know if that's true or not. Other charities spend a lot of the money on fundraising, their own bureaucracy, and CEO salaries, so not as much of the money makes it to the intended recipients. Others have social, religious, or political agendas that I do not agree with. Instead of sorting this all out and going through a lot of angst about it, I have been donating money and volunteer time to the local Food Bank. The benefits go directly to the recipients who qualify and every dollar that is donated to my Food Bank (and probably all the other ones, too) is used to buy five dollars worth of food through their supply and distribution channels. There are no political, religious, or social agendas; only the goal of providing food to hungry people who need it. I feel very comfortable about this decision and I don't need to feel guilt when I walk past the Salvation Army kettle, for instance, because I have already contributed my part to help others. On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 8:56:36 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > *We (RIV) have a charity fund every year, doled out whether we’re doing OK > or not. * > > It's admirable that they give when they can, not only when it's easy. > > The question whether to give directly or through a "qualified" > intermediary is being debated here in Albuquerque about panhandlers who beg > at traffic intersections. I am happy to give a bit of cash to these people, > preferring to be a sucker instead of a cynic. The city though has started a > law to ban such panhandling (either still being debated or, if on the > books, ignored) and a program to accept such donations in a fund for the > beggars. But one wants to give to a person, not a bureaucracy. > > But I understand the dilemma. Years ago I gave $20 to such a person with a > sign saying "Stranded, looking for work," and asked my boss to give the man > work. Boss tracked him down to a motel, offered him work, but the man was > too comfortable with the results of his panhandling and closed the door on > boss. > > My own worry is less the crazy and unstable as such, as it is the > alcoholic or drug addict: $10 or a $100 sweater might just go to something > that will make their situation worse, not better. If I could be sure that > the recipient would use the gift for food or warmth, I'd give much more > readily. > > But, beyond all the practical questions (which obviously determine the > particulars of giving), there is compassion, the principal Buddhist virtue > and one wonderfully illustrated in the Islamic *hadith* of the prostitute > whom God forgave because she took pity on a thirsty dog and gave it a > drink; or the wonderful lines (paraphrased) from the story of the > excommunicated Manfred in the *Purgatorio*: "The Divine Mercy has arms so > wide/It takes to Itself everything that turns to it." In this respect, > giving benefits the giver as much as the recipient. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: struggling with my B-17's
I'm 195 lbs. and have been riding SA's on three of my bikes for several years. I ride the Clydesdale version and found that they needed to be adjusted for the first several hundred miles. I see from looking at their website that the present models have a longer adjustment bolt and that they will sell you a longer bolt for your older models. I may do that when I get to the end, but so far, the saddles have stabilized. One thing that I did was to install laces and that has done two things. First, the saddle doesn't splay out and rub my thighs. Second, I think it contributes to reduce the sag caused by stretching, and maybe that's why I've not had any issues after break-in. Just hypothesizing, though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Platform/Spiked pedals question (gripsters, grip kings, etc.)
I've used the Grip Kings without spikes and with Power Grip straps, which I really like but I have a set on my Homer that I am going to install with spikes. Would you use Loctite on the spikes?As a side question, I've always used beeswax on things like racks and fenders -- does anyone use Loctite for those? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Kryptonite Bike Lock Idea
Check out these anti-theft skewers from Velo Orange. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/locks-security/vo-anti-theft-skewers.html On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:05:30 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote: @ted: I am thinking of getting pitlocks for the wheels, and just using my mini u lock on the frame to lock onto sign posts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Shifting a Rohloff from the stem
Andrew, Some years ago I ran a Rohloff on my Hilsen and tried both the Hubbub (#2) and the bar-end for quill stem (#11). I preferred the bar-end method. I don't use the drops that much, so the quill was much closer to my hand. It's also less expensive and would be a good place to start since, as you point out it doesn't interfere with your experimentation with bars and brake levers. Another thing that the writer does not mention about the Hubbub is that it slips into the end of your bar and extends the length by several inches, so you really need to saw off a piece of your bar end. If you decide to go the Hubbub route, PM me and I'll see if I can still find my old one for you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Bike locks ?
Thanks for the advice. I just ordered some anti-theft skewers from VO. Also, as an experiment I softened up some beeswax and pushed into the seat post bolt. It's obviously not 100% tamper proof, but it's going to take me a while to dig it out when I have to adjust the saddle height, so I would say it's going to be effective. You can go one step further and embed a ball bearing in the wax plug, but for where I live I think that's overkill. I suppose in a high theft area I would invest in something more professional. On Friday, August 8, 2014 8:33:59 AM UTC-6, jeffrey kane wrote: I'm in my 4th year on a Belriot here in NYC. I commute nearly year round (ice will stop me but usually not the cold). The key is that the bike comes inside at night and all day while I'm at work ... and that most outside lock-up times are short (one to three hours on average). Still it's a fairly typical Riv set up intended to run errands: Alba's, Berthoud SS fenders, B-17, Marks rack, Wald basket, etc. and it gets locked up everywhere I go in between work and home. This includes trips to Bklyn. as well. I carry (1) Kryptonite NY Fahgettaboudit lock. Period. Here's how I do the rest: Velo Orange anti-theft skewers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/skewers/vo-anti-theft-skewers.html I swear by them Metric Security Bolts (from Bicycle Bolts / Adam Gray): http://www.bicyclebolts.com I use (1) M6 x 22 for the seat post binder and (1) M8 x 45 for the Nitto S-65 I figure that if the guy with the van and grinder/massive bolt cutter is coming there's nothing I can do about it anyway. And the security bolts are great deterrents for opportunistic twerps out looking to boost a saddle or wheel. Yes, I probably should super-glue a ball bearing into my stem bolt 'cause I'm not naive enough to think that someone could try and walk off with my cockpit one day … I just haven't gotten around to it and the Wald is secured to the bar and rack in such a way that makes it quite an undertaking. Here's another thing: while the Bleriot is a way-cool ride (particularly to us here) -- I'm, not so sure it catches the eye of so many in NYC. As a friend once said to me *Oh, I see you riding your Mary Poppins bike today* ! So perhaps if you combine that with the trend of most food delivery guys being into E-Bikes or jacked up MTB set-ups with skinny tires these days … maybe that just leaves the strung-out types looking for the more popular fixie-like rides to pinch (?). I think the Riv comes in under their radar. On Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:34:48 PM UTC-4, Serial Griller wrote: I normally do my ride and lock my bike in the rack on my truck since I seldom ride from home.( I live in the boon docks) What kind of lock set ups are popular with all of you. Thanks, Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
I'm much more of a Honka Hoota guy than a ding-a-ling type. http://youtu.be/urfTG1yFlYQ If you push hard they are loud but you can give it little punches to be more expressive, kind of like a train engineer does. I find it really gets attention and a lot of smiles. $7 at REI. And it doesn't rust or corrode. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:34:32 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Stan's report: Longevity
Relax, folks, there are appropriate terms to describe such improvisation. Jury-rigged suggests improvisation in an emergency, as does MacGyvered. Jerry-built signifies very shoddily constructed. The two are often conflated to Jerry-rigged, which means organized or constructed in a crude or improvised manner. Now go ride and improvise, everybody. On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:55:36 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The term ghetto is used by many as a coded racial term. In any case, the word's history is not exactly positive for various groups of oppressed people who've been relegated to living in ghettos. For us to use it as a term for any improvised or haphazard mechanical solution on our expensive bicycles is insensitive at best. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Jack Browns
Pair of Jack Browns - Green. New, in original RBW packaging (such as it is). $95, includes shipping in CONUS. Reply off-list, please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Friend of Rivendell Maynard Hershon in LA Times
I read some of MH's stuff in the Riv Reader years ago and couldn't understand why it was ever published by Grant. It was sour, negative, even mean. He came off as a cranky, bitchy old man. I remember reading one Reader with a very inspiring article about an amputee who was getting back on his bike and I found this to be a very heartwarming, inspirational story. Then I came to MH's piece and I went looking for eyewash. I wrote GP to inquire why he even considered printing this dark prose but he never responded. Since then I have refused to read any of his stuff because it is so down and depressing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/omVD7wm-BFkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SO/Quickbeam options
I have decided to sell my 61 cm. orange QB. I need to itemize the accessories and decide on the price, but if you're at all interested, contact me off-list at richard.go...@earthlink.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: How to treat large dings that have rusted?
Jim, can you elaborate on what you mean by enamel? Thanks. On Jul 1, 11:23 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 7/1/11 7:15 AM, Jeffrey at unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: I have several large abrasions through the paint that have rusted. what do you do to treat them? If I just paint/fingernail polish them will that stop the rust underneath, or do I need to remove the rust first? If so, how? Clean the rust with fine steel wool, then enamel. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cross levers on 46cm Noodle bars?
I have interrupters on all of my three bikes and I use them 3/4 of the time because I use the hoods most of the time. I also use handlebar bags on all my bikes and the levers aren't really in the way. I would go so far as to say that having only the standard levers in the drops would be awkward and perhaps unsafe for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen
I don't see it on CL. What size is it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Chain Tensioners
Use some Locktight next time. On Jun 29, 9:01 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matthew, thanks for the feedback on the Surly tensioner. Hopefully there were no accidents resulting from it falling off. I'd hate to see that happen while under load! On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Matthew Snyder mwsny...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, I used the Surly chain tensioner and was not terribly impressed with it -- it's a fairly simple component, so all I really ask is that it just works. I had lots of little issues with it. The biggest problem was that the floating pulley bar (for lateral adjustment) kept loosening up, no matter how hard I'd tighten it down. Eventually the pulley bar actually fell off during a ride, which is not a good position to find yourself in. I partially blame myself for continuing to use a part that wasn't working right, but still... Anyway, just my limited experience. If you don't need the extra lateral adjustment, the Shimano looks like a better option, but I haven't used it. Regards, Matthew Snyder Ann Arbor, MI On Jun 25, 11:39 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Surly, Paul and Soulcraft all make different styles of chain tensioners. I'm kinda' leaning toward the Soulcraft Convert, does anyone have experience with this or the others? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Chain Tensioners
For a while I had a Shimano Nexus hub on my AHH and needed a chain tensioner. I tried the Shimano tensioner and, for some that reason that I can no longer remember, it did not work and I had to return it. I think it had something to do with the spacing. I then tried the Surly with great success and later used another Surly on a SS project bike that I built. On Jun 25, 12:22 pm, Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: David, It's been a few years but I've used the Shimano Alfine chain tensioner with good results. I have a new Paul Melvin which I never used for reasons I can't recall but it is beautifully made. I might have had trouble adjusting to chain line but looking at it now it appears to be just a matter of moving spacers. It might be prudent though to check your application with Paul if going in that direction. Seems to me I tried the Surly and didn't like it but I don't really remember so that's helpful, huh? I don't know why I am hanging on to these so if you'd like one I'll sell the Paul for $55 shipped and the Alfine for $20 shipped, OBO. Both USPS priority mail. Best, Tim On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Surly, Paul and Soulcraft all make different styles of chain tensioners. I'm kinda' leaning toward the Soulcraft Convert, does anyone have experience with this or the others? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam/Simpleone and Rohloff hub
If anybody's interested, I have a used Rohloff for sale. I used it for about a year and a half on my Hilsen. It's quite the machine. Contact me directly at rgo...@earthlink.net. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?
I reported the gist of this string to Grant and he replied that he had just assumed that the two wouldn't work together. He has now changed the website to indicate that they will work. I hope more people are encouraged to use this combination now because IMHO it's an ideal setup for the Rivish Rider. On Oct 3, 12:34 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Gonet is correct. the straps readily work on the GripKings. I should have clarified the space thing. I used the space to hold out the outboard end of each strap flush with front of the pedal. I suppose it's not entirely necessary, but it does provide a few extra mm's of clearance for your shoe. I also drilled and tapped in the little set screws for more bite. GripKings tend to be much less grippy when the bottom of your shoe is smooth-soled or wet. That's their one drawback, as evidenced, I believe, by Riv's own post-production instructions about tapping in the set screw/spike things. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?
I'm using power grips on three sets of grip kings and love them. You have to pop off the reflectors first, then just mount them normally. I did not have to use spacers or make any other modifications, as one other member described. I'm not sure what he is referring to. I have emailed Grant and told him that the combo does work, but he has not changed the advertisement, perhaps because it involves removing the reflectors, which he would be against. If that's an issue buy some of his reflective tape and stick it on the bike, which I have done. It is *very* bright. On Oct 1, 5:07 pm, Brencho bren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I'm wondering if anyone has used power grips on the grip kings. If so, how can I get the bracket with the compression clip attached to the pedal? Thanks! Brencho -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo?
Thanks, Ray. I'm going to go out in the garage and inspect my setup. My power grips are adjusted to max to fit my shoes and this may give me some more strap. Or maybe I misunderstand you. On Oct 3, 12:34 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Gonet is correct. the straps readily work on the GripKings. I should have clarified the space thing. I used the space to hold out the outboard end of each strap flush with front of the pedal. I suppose it's not entirely necessary, but it does provide a few extra mm's of clearance for your shoe. I also drilled and tapped in the little set screws for more bite. GripKings tend to be much less grippy when the bottom of your shoe is smooth-soled or wet. That's their one drawback, as evidenced, I believe, by Riv's own post-production instructions about tapping in the set screw/spike things. From: R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 9:08:20 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: grip king and power grip combo? I'm using power grips on three sets of grip kings and love them. You have to pop off the reflectors first, then just mount them normally. I did not have to use spacers or make any other modifications, as one other member described. I'm not sure what he is referring to. I have emailed Grant and told him that the combo does work, but he has not changed the advertisement, perhaps because it involves removing the reflectors, which he would be against. If that's an issue buy some of his reflective tape and stick it on the bike, which I have done. It is *very* bright. On Oct 1, 5:07 pm, Brencho bren...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I'm wondering if anyone has used power grips on the grip kings. If so, how can I get the bracket with the compression clip attached to the pedal? Thanks! Brencho -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: North Bend Rail Trail
Greg, it looks like you travel light and I know you have that reputation. Can you give us some insight on how you manage this, please. On Jul 28, 12:37 am, Greg Doggett gndogg...@gmail.com wrote: The North Bend Rail Trail in W. Va. was a hoot! Great riding, great eatin', great W. Va. folk, great camping ( for an established campground), and six great friends sharing it all. And one broken fork...on a Bob Jackson. More details to followIts late in central Virginia. Attached picture is of me and my Sam loaded for the 3-day ride. Taken at the old train depot in Pennsboro, W. Va. Greg 4836019854_c7787aa9ae.jpg 270KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Weekend riding, camping, and cowboy shirts!
What a great set of photos. Wish I wuz there. Where, exactly, were these taken? On Jul 25, 8:53 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote: Took the wife and kiddo up to the mountains this weekend for some camping and outdoor fun. Weather was a nice break from the 90+ going on in Denver. Got a beautiful rain on Saturday that I decided to go riding in. The foot trails that line the river behind our cabin are layered with pine needles and ride very soft and silent. My favorite time to weave through them is during a light rain. Had the XO-3 with me this weekend, shod with 26x1.5 semi slicks. Ran great. Wish I would have wrapped the bars before...they get slick in the rain. Fun anyway. We had a good group of 15-20 plus kids over the 3 days. I built driftwood boats with the kids and had races. We made shiny mud balls. Cooked over the fire pit all weekend. Took my Trangia stove and made coffee trail side. Took a morning dip in the icy run off water to start the day. Even pulled my Rockmount cowboy shirt off the hook for the evening. Decided to bring it home. I hope everyone had a great weekend. Outside is king. fotos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/sets/72157624581811352/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: West (by god!) Va. bound!
Hope you'll post some pics when you get back. Can you squeal like a pig? By the way, they've discovered a new use for sheep in W.Va. - wool. On Jul 22, 3:13 pm, Greg Doggett gndogg...@gmail.com wrote: The Sam, shod with Pasela TG 37mm's and armed with Large Sackville SaddleSack and med Wall basket are bound for a 3-day, 142 mi. there and back bike camper on the North Bend Rail Trail in W. Va. (Dinga-ding -ding-ding-ding -ding -ding -ding, read like banjo music). There is an element of danger to this trip...I'll be wearing knickers. Will post pictures upon return! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grip King Impressions
I like the Grip Kings, as well. Contrary to what Grant says on the RBW site, they DO work with Power Grips. I have them on three bikes. I don't know why Grant says this, except that you have to remove the reflectors to install them. But they DO work with no trouble. On Jul 22, 6:12 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: +1 on the Grip Kings. I noticed they were less grippy than i liked in rain. So I put blunt studs in them and all is fine. I've used SPD pedals in the past. For a couple of years it was the most delicate thing about any given ride. Will the pedals feel right *this* time? Will I need to adjust them? I can't say I'm a convert, since I never got comfortable with clipless/click-in/cleated pedals in the first place. But Grip Kings fit my foot perfectly every time since they have the shape I want and I can decide how to use that shape. They're good out of the box. And you can make them better in mud or rain with the pedal spikes. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Jul 21, 9:37 pm, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: I have a set of pedals similar to the Sneaker Pedal and they are fun for cruising. However, I really do love the length of the Grip Kings. The aching in my arches ankles is completely gone as the Grip King prevents me from tipping my toes downward. I just didn't think I'd like the pedals quite this much. Man, I am a geek. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Actual tire widths and variations (Paselas, Jack Browns)
Where do you find plain talc? The only thing I seem to find is baby powder with other ingredients added. On Jun 22, 6:23 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 02:59 -0700, Earl Grey wrote: In the places where the measurements were smaller, I noticed that the slight ridge on the tire near the bead (that presumably is there to let you gauge whether the bead is seated equally all around the tire) was partly buried under the rim, despite the fact that I pinched the tires near the rim when partially inflated to help seat the bead. That's correct, and if yours is uneven you have a bead seating issue. If hand manipulation doesn't work, try over-inflating, or try initially using talc to assist in seating the tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Actual tire widths and variations (Paselas, Jack Browns)
But this has no talc in it. On Jun 23, 5:18 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Baby powder works fine, and it keeps the tubes from getting diaper rash. --Eric Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:00 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Where do you find plain talc? The only thing I seem to find is baby powder with other ingredients added. On Jun 22, 6:23 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 02:59 -0700, Earl Grey wrote: In the places where the measurements were smaller, I noticed that the slight ridge on the tire near the bead (that presumably is there to let you gauge whether the bead is seated equally all around the tire) was partly buried under the rim, despite the fact that I pinched the tires near the rim when partially inflated to help seat the bead. That's correct, and if yours is uneven you have a bead seating issue. If hand manipulation doesn't work, try over-inflating, or try initially using talc to assist in seating the tire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: do you ever get tired of....
I personally think that ain't fills a huge gap in our language and ought to be encouraged; as, too, y'all. Seriously. What are the gaps that they fill? I can see the utility of ya'll, though the apostrophe is a PITA, but ain't doesn't seem to fill a need that I can tell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?
What? Grant built a carbon bike? After all that he's said and written about them, I hope that's not true. On Apr 22, 12:11 am, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to burst all of your bubbles, based on very well placed sources: The frame in question is the full carbon riv that was NOT at the SD bike show. The original buyer requested that it had clearance for no more than 20mm tires, but that was mistakenly transcribed as 20mm with fenders. The final product just had a touch too much space between the 18mm tires that the customer preferred and the frame, destroying the balance between fat frame tubes and very tiny tires with subliminal clearance. It will probably be repainted as PROTOORBEA and sold on Ebay. Tarik On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: Joel, Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Paul brakes won't work if those canti studs are set up for cantis and not the Paul centerpulls. The two have different stud mounting positions. The idea is pretty cool, though. It is a bizarro design from a Rivendell perspective. Assuming that this is the rejected custom in question, I can't get my head around why Grant would have let that set of frame choices get out the door given his (and the company's) very a particular velosophy. Ron On Apr 21, 6:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the rear, Repack Revisited. We are of a like mind. I need another bike like I need another hole in my head. Nevertheless, the thought of a Riv frame with a kick back coaster brake hub - maybe Bull Moose bars up front - perhaps the new Paul RacerM for a front brake? - really sets the mind a reeling. On Apr 21, 8:09 am, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the rear, Repack Revisited. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?
And I bit! On Apr 22, 8:43 am, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Not to worry, R. Tarik is pulling your leg. John at RBW On Apr 21, 11:31 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: What? Grant built a carbon bike? After all that he's said and written about them, I hope that's not true. On Apr 22, 12:11 am, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to burst all of your bubbles, based on very well placed sources: The frame in question is the full carbon riv that was NOT at the SD bike show. The original buyer requested that it had clearance for no more than 20mm tires, but that was mistakenly transcribed as 20mm with fenders. The final product just had a touch too much space between the 18mm tires that the customer preferred and the frame, destroying the balance between fat frame tubes and very tiny tires with subliminal clearance. It will probably be repainted as PROTOORBEA and sold on Ebay. Tarik On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: Joel, Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Paul brakes won't work if those canti studs are set up for cantis and not the Paul centerpulls. The two have different stud mounting positions. The idea is pretty cool, though. It is a bizarro design from a Rivendell perspective. Assuming that this is the rejected custom in question, I can't get my head around why Grant would have let that set of frame choices get out the door given his (and the company's) very a particular velosophy. Ron On Apr 21, 6:41 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the rear, Repack Revisited. We are of a like mind. I need another bike like I need another hole in my head. Nevertheless, the thought of a Riv frame with a kick back coaster brake hub - maybe Bull Moose bars up front - perhaps the new Paul RacerM for a front brake? - really sets the mind a reeling. On Apr 21, 8:09 am, Scott G. sco...@primax.com wrote: Maybe the new Sturmey Archer kickback hub with coaster brake for the rear, Repack Revisited. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You
[RBW] Re: Boeshield just once?
When you do your frame, do you squirt it in all the holes, tape them up, turn the frame every which way to circulate the mess, or do you do something less intensive/obsessive? On Mar 16, 10:09 am, Joshua Kruck joshua.kr...@gmail.com wrote: I do my frames twice a year, at the beginning and end of winter (in MN that works out to november and march usually). This seems like enough, even the frames that get salt and sand and whatnot from the MN snow removal hold up fine. On Mar 15, 12:29 pm, M9091666 tomnelsoncont...@gmail.com wrote: Once you or Riv has applied Boeshield to the frame, does it have to be reapplied, and if so how often? I ask because the Boeshield literature seems to imply that it's only good for a few months. Perhaps they are talking about external applications that get wear or exposure, but I thought I'd ask. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Carboon Bashing- was: Riv resurrecting and selling crashed frames
Very good point. It up to each of us to evaluate the risk versus the reward and make a decision for ourselves. If, in fact, carbon is less forgiving than steel, which I believe, then I thank GP for making me aware of this information. Don't shoot the messenger of bad news. On Mar 7, 12:13 pm, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: I don't think anybody suggests that EVERY carbon frame or fork will fail in the next XX years. In fact, probably a TINY fraction of a percent MIGHT. I also don't think that EVERY Toyota on the road is going to accelerate unexpectedly and uncontrollably within the next XX years either. The point is that if the consequences are severe enough, then it's not much fun playing the numbers game. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Carboon Bashing- was: Riv resurrecting and selling crashed frames
I just looked at Grant's carbon bashing piece on the RBW website and appended to the end of the original post is a letter from a mechanical engineer who claims to have great familiarity with carbon materials, and it is well written and sensible: Letter from Joe Thomas. I read your thoughts on the RBW site and thought I'd chime in. I'll preface this by stating that while I'm not a material scientist, I do have a mechanical engineering degree and I've worked in system safety and reliability on the space station and space shuttle programs for the last 22 years. That said, carbon fiber is a wonderful material *IF* it's laid up in a manner appropriate for its intended use.No one would argue that it's very strong but the key is the stiffness .It can be made to be incomparably stiff, as in a Formula 1 race car chassis, or fantastically flexible, as in a Shakespeare Ugly Stik fishing rod. What it can't be, though, is resilient. Either it works or it doesn't; there's no in-between. Damage it and it's done. Ever seen an off-road vehicle or race car with a carbon roll cage? No, and you won't because it doesn't give. When it fails, it fails completely. Now, I can see that it's a great RACE bike material, if you're a high level professional competitor who doesn't have to ride the same bike for more than a season or two but for the recreational rider who can't afford to plop down several K every few years (and who isn't a delusional racer wannabe), it makes little sense. This effect is magnified for anyone who tours. If you suffer even a mild structural failure with a carbon bike, your tour is over. There's no fixing that. In contrast, the local welder in Quinter, Kansas, can shore up your steel bike well enough to let you finish the ride. Aluminum and titanium are also fixable but in decreasing degree due to the more specialized skill required. Carbon has its place in the bike world, no doubt, but it's far from the be-all, end-all of materials. --Joe Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Carboon Bashing- was: Riv resurrecting and selling crashed frames
I don't think the manufacturers of carbon bikes are saying that they are safer, they are saying that they are lighter. Grant agrees that they are lighter, they are just less safe. So the user has to decide whether the increased risk of injury justifies the benefits from the reduced weight of the bike. For Greg Lemond, it might. For a 190 slug like me, it doesn't. Besides, like most people, I don't race. On Mar 7, 2:44 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I think it is pretty common sense for the builder of a certain thing to explain why they built it the way they did and not the way someone else did. So if you make steel bikes because you think they are the best, it has to be true that you think something else is not the best. And on that spectrum, there has to be a yang to your ying-- ie carbon fiber to grant's steel. Disagree all you want, have your own ying-- but isnt the bike industries turn away from steel to other materials saying the same thing about steel that G is saying about CF? Read the mags and they routinely say things like every cyclist should aspire to CF. That said,the first thing I did when i bought my steel Lemond in '03 was replace the CF fork. Just not worth it to me-- so I am already entrenched Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivendell's Mystery Item?
Amazing that merkins, at least in this string, are not OT. Good work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapiller news
I'm like you. Every time I get on a bike it takes me back all those years, like the WayBack Machine. On Jan 23, 10:11 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: Mi dos centavos When I was a kid, about when I'd outgrown my old Evel Knievel bike, I rec'd a Huffy 12-speed (actually won off the back of a cereal box). It was a 'road' bike, but I rode it everywhere. Took me to school, took me to the store, over to friends' houses, up into the woods to play, across yards and fields... even played tag while riding bikes. It didn't matter that it was a 'road' bike, and wasn't a BMX or a mountain bike (this was before mountain bikes had become ubiquitous; Im sure they were being birthed out there in California by then, but in a suburb back in the east, we were just kids). I think, that's what Grant wants. Us to just be kids, riding bikes. Yeah, we're not youngsters anymore, but, I don't think of these as road bikes versus mountain bikes, they're just bikes. Go ride 'em, and have fun. FWIW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapiller news
Still, what's a hunquapiller? What does the name come from? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: for the bunch only please
Just downloaded the RR, read the table of contents, and started to drool. Looks like it was well worth waiting for. While you guys are sipping elf drinks, I'll be curling up with my laptop and a supply of Guinness Stout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Will riding a Rivendell make me self-conscious or overly worrisome?
Wear a bag over your head if you feel uncomfortable. Or buy a Huffy and go no-bag. On Jan 14, 4:29 pm, Mick makoep...@mac.com wrote: I'm very interested in buying a Sam Hillborne. I think it's a fantastically constructed bike and aesthetically a work of art. I like the idea of having a quality piece of machinery, that fits well, and that could ridden for many years to come. While I can afford to drop $2,000 (or so) on a bike, I've never owned one that costly before. I was wondering if this owner's group could let me know if they've ever felt uncomfortable riding an expensive bike or one as beautiful as the Sam Hillborne. Is it the same as sporting around in a Porsche or let's say a vintage Alfa Romeo? (I'm not sure I could ever do either of these things). Generally speaking I like to keep a low profile. I was wondering if that will be possible riding a Sam Hillborne. Do those riding Rivendell's get approached often by people looking to appreciate their bike? And is this a positive experience? Do you ever feel self- conscious about riding such a flash bike? What about locking the bike and leaving it? Do you feel comfortable doing so? Or is it so obviously expensive and sought after that you wouldn't think of leaving it out of eye sight? Thanks for providing any insight you may have. I'd hate to buy a bike that I loved, but didn't feel comfortable being seen in public with. I'm hoping that you Rivendell riders might be able to put my mind to rest. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Traveling to DC and Richmond
It was 13 in Richmond this morning. On Jan 11, 10:09 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 18:05 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I assume the weather that far south will be wonderful! Ha! It was in the teens this past weekend. = -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: White Paselas
Keith Richards rides an orange Quickbeam? I thought they were dead. On Jan 6, 1:15 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: But if you played it backwards it said Keith is dead. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Don't know on tires (guessing no diff), but I have an orange vinyl Stones album and it plays the same as the black color version. -- *From:* Mike mjawn...@gmail.com *To:* RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wed, January 6, 2010 9:38:57 AM *Subject:* [RBW] White Paselas I wonder, do colored tires ride differently. I've only ever used black tires. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet
Although the RBW site says Power Grips do not work with Grip King pedals, they do. I use that setup on three different bikes and they work well. I don't understand why Riv makes this disclaimer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet
Steve: I attached the PG's according to the directions. I don't think I can write a description, but if you still want, I will take a pic and send it to you off-list. As another list member noted, you do have to pop off the reflectors from the pedal, but when I ride at night I have blinkies, reflective tape, spoke reflectors, and one of Grant's reflexite triangles on my back. The reflectors are nice, but you do need more. I do like the idea of using Power Grips on the Grip Kings, but also read that doesn't work. Richard - where to the ends of the straps connect to the pedals? Any pix? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grip Kings and Numb Feet
Ray: You are correct, you do have to remove the reflectors to use Power Grips with the Grip Kings. I didn't need to make any other alterations, though. I'm curious about your use of plastic spacers on the strap end side, since I needed no such modifications. The important point to make is that they *DO mount* to the Grip Kings with little effort. I'd also like to point out that I used to use the Power Grips for mountain biking, where you often have to get off the pedal ASAP with little warning, and I never once got hung up on them. When you're not thinking about it, it just happens. On Dec 15, 11:51 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Steve -- I should have added that Power Grips DO MOUNT to GripKing pedals. Despite what some other posters are saying, mine were mounted quite well with just minor alterations. For instance, you must remove the reflectors from each pedal, and use a plastic spacer on the strap end side. I might have some pix of the set up. If I find any, I'll post them. The other thing I'd like t point out about the Power Grips is that to remove your foot -- let's say the right foot -- you need to push the heel out then pull the foot back to free the shoe from the strap. That is the exact same movement you do to release from a cleated pedal. There's really no difference. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.
Patrick: Are you sure your auto underinsured coverage covers you while on a bicycle? I hope you're correct, but I haven't seen that in my policy. On Dec 15, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance, his property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it. If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth -- at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive, Travelers and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think $ is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $ PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc. On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft, the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even made a bit on the deals. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.
Thanks. I thought that you had to be operating a motorized vehicle for your UM/UIM coverage to kick in, but apparently not. That gives me a better feeling of security. My widow and children can benefit from my bike riding. On Dec 15, 5:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: UIM is meant to cover damages to you that the other party's liability insurance ought to have covered if he had it, or if he had enough of it. If someone hits you and is at fault (in the insurance sense, not a legal sense), then his insurance is contractually obligated to reimburse you. If he doesn't have it or doesn't have enough, your own UIM coverage takes its place. I am sure because (1) I sold the stuff and (2) I received a UIM payout, temporarily, when I got hit in 2006 and the poleece report said that the hitter had no insurance. (His momma had insurance, but my UIM kicked in until my company figured that out.) Your UIM will cover you in any situation, riding, walking, sitting, lying, levitating, for which you might have a right to be compensated by someone else's liability coverage, were he driving his insured vehicle and, at fault in the insurance sense, did you damages that can be represented in some way in terms of money. At fault in the insurance sense doesn't mean he broke some law, it just means that he and not you or some third party caused the damage to you and yours. So yes, I am sure. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:37 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.netwrote: Patrick: Are you sure your auto underinsured coverage covers you while on a bicycle? I hope you're correct, but I haven't seen that in my policy. On Dec 15, 3:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Your home or renter's insurance will not cover accidents. If you have an accident and the other party is at fault, then (1) if he has insurance, his property liability will cover it. If (2) he does not have it, or has too little, your own auto Uninsured/Underinsured coverage will cover it. If you know how to talk to an adjuster, you will get your money's worth -- at least, if the company is a reputable one: Hartford, Progessive, Travelers and the other prime companies I now gleefully forget. Your bottom feeder companies are often amenable to a letter saying, in effect: I think $ is fair. I have given good reasons why it is fair. if you want to jerk me around, I will hire a lawyer. If I hire a lawyer, then you can pay $ PLUS my lawyer's fees. Have a nice day. Sincerely yours, etc. On the two occasions I've had to claim for bicycle losses -- one a theft, the second an accident -- I got full and prompt settlement -- heck, even made a bit on the deals. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: calendars?
Sign me up. You can even make the calendar run from January to January. I just look at the pictures. On Dec 15, 1:46 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/14/09 11:01 PM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote: So, time is getting kinda tight. Did I miss an email about a current classics calendar for 2010? No. Here's the plan at this point - Assuming I can get enough pre-orders (which I _don't_ think will be an issue), the 2010 calendar will run from February to January 2011. The turnaround looks to be a mid-January ship date to you. Email was going to go out tomorrow (work/class crunch right now). - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Workshops of the iBob's Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines My nighttime attitude is anyone can run you down and get away with it. That's why I don't even own a bike light or one of those godawful reflective suits. Because if you've put yourself in a position where someone has to see you in order for you to be safe...you've already blown it. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
And the Rivendell content here is... On Dec 13, 7:57 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a Tank. I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were very similar size wise. The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 pounds 12 ounces. The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. Is that a Tank? At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into consideration the length of the fork. The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm longer on the BLT. Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the LHT. Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise quill stem, call me Old Fashioned, but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 inches of spacers. That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the bars higher if desired. Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their web page). The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter than the LHT with Surly racks. Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. The Groups I have coming are completely LX. The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com Any questions - feel free to give me a call. Regards, Bruce Gordon -www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Our New Bike Catalog Is On The Site
It is a beautiful catalog. What I miss is the older catalog with all the parts, accessories, essays, and how-to pieces. I have one that's a couple of years old and I still look at it often, many times use it for reference purposes. I suppose with everything on-line now, it's impractical to mail out a paper catalog. I'll hang onto this one. On Dec 11, 1:22 pm, John Bennett johnat...@gmail.com wrote: a sneak preview can be found by following this to a PDF http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/174 Cheers, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 8-Speed Jtek Bar End Shifter
Is it possible to use a Shimano or Silver bar end shifter in friction mode? I'm guessing the answer is no, otherwise there would have been no need for the Jtek. However, I don't know why they wouldn't work. On Dec 3, 4:38 pm, Alex tortoise.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Do you know where i can find an 8-Speed Jtek Bar End Shifter? It appears Jtek stopped making them. I ask because i want to put a Shimano Alfine internally geared 8-speed hub on my Rambouillet. Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 8-Speed Jtek Bar End Shifter
Thanks for the info. Shimano already makes a trigger shifter for the Nexus and perhaps they don't see a much larger market for the bar end shifter. If you want to use the Nexus you'll probably do so with the shifter they already provide, even if you'd rather use a bar end shifter. Let's hope that Shimano doesn't think like this, however. On Dec 6, 12:14 pm, Sarah Gibson sadieja...@hotmail.com wrote: ok this is only my experience but at acme we tried every single possible 8 speed or friction shifter (btw-the shimano bar ends all have friction mode) for use with internally geared hubs with little success of quality shifting thats why jay created the jtek barend shifter have installed numerous ones on shimano 8 speed internal hubs with excellent results. im sorry to hear he's no longer producing them theres a huge market in kansas city area anyways for barend style shifting or anything remotely road oriented for internal hubs at the handmade bicycle show in indianapolis in feb we discussed this at length with the shimano guys and they indicated that shimano was indeed researching that as an option for shifting tho ive not heard anything else about it since... nevertheless anyone who makes an internally geared hub should in my opinion make a quality shifter that can be used on road style bars be they drop or moustache etc peace well behaved women rarely make history _ride yr friggin bicycle_ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:00:10 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: 8-Speed Jtek Bar End Shifter From: richard.go...@earthlink.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Is it possible to use a Shimano or Silver bar end shifter in friction mode? I'm guessing the answer is no, otherwise there would have been no need for the Jtek. However, I don't know why they wouldn't work. On Dec 3, 4:38 pm, Alex tortoise.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all: Do you know where i can find an 8-Speed Jtek Bar End Shifter? It appears Jtek stopped making them. I ask because i want to put a Shimano Alfine internally geared 8-speed hub on my Rambouillet. Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Waxing Well
Doesn't Carradice sell something to use for this purpose? On Dec 2, 3:51 pm, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for the word on waxing my canvas equipment properly. So far, I've only waxed the wheel-facing sides of my baggins panniers. This was a few months ago, but I wasn't satisfied with the result. Several months on it hasn't seemed to absorb properly (still waxy in parts) and it really darkened the fabric significantly. How do you wax your cotton in a manner that results in a similar outcome to the original thing. Also, what's the best product to use? I'd be waxing a few baggins bags, a nigel smythe, and *maybe* an acorn rando. Thanks, erik -- berkeley, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: High resolution Rivendell logos, anyone?
I, for one, would buy an RBW laser etched water bottle, as long as it isn't a Sigg. I'll bet a lot of others would, too. I'd also like to contact you off-list about having your dad etch an item for me. Please contact me at rgo...@earthlink.net. On Nov 26, 5:50 pm, Stephen recycle...@gmail.com wrote: my dad needs business PERIOD. I once suggested to Grant cheap laser engraved headbadges for the resurrecto sets, but they dont really sell enough to make it worthwhile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Internal Hub Efficiency: What the Experts Say
Patrick Wrote: --- I'm just waiting for an IG hub with a QR. Patrick is he really serious? Moore Your wait is over. The Rohloff is a QR IG hub. Richard I've got one, Gonet -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Which Side Pull Brakes for Jack Browns?
I have a Hilsen with Cane Creek levers, Silver brakes, and Jack Browns and I've had no problems, though I did replace the original pads with Kool Stops. On Nov 16, 7:40 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: I'm with Jim. I don't have a problem with the Silvers. I have them on my Bleriot. If you have the Cane creek levers I'd think they would be fine. On Nov 16, 5:43 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I am fully satisfied with the Silver brakes that I use. They are the ones marked Silver, and they stop me very well, and have a light action and are easy to set up and adjust. I've never noticed any problem with flexiness. They came with great pads. -Jim -Original Message- From: reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net Sent: Nov 16, 2009 6:39 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Which Side Pull Brakes for Jack Browns? Am building up a frame with Jack Browns in mind. In light of recent comments about the flexiness of the Tektro Big Mouths, I am curious whether there are any other standard reach dual pivots availabel - that would not require the tire be deflated to clear the brake pads when removing/installing the wheel. The standare reach Shimano Ultegras open up to only about 30mm with Cane Creek levers fully opened. Any ideas? Thanks. RL- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: increasing longevity of skinwall tires?
I demounted some older Pasela's and found a crack in the sidewall that ran around the entire sidewall at the point where the sidewall touches the rim, maybe a mm. or two from the edge of the bead. I never would have detected it if I had not taken the tires off. The black tread was still in excellent condition, but I had to throw them away. My suspicion is that the deterioration of the sidewall is not due to usage or wear but to degradation from ultraviolet rays and/or ozone. I'm going to inspect my Jack Browns today for the same problem. FWIW, I have a few nicks in my tan Pasela sidewalls from rocks or such, but not cracking or deterioration on them. I'm keeping my on those few areas as the top weave is cut, but the second layer is still fine. Hope it stays that way as I have a bit of tread still (but going fast!). They do seem really dry though, almost brittle. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: increasing longevity of skinwall tires?
I just checked my 2-year-old Jack Browns and they have that same split all the way around, though not as bad looking as the much older Pasela tan wall. The split appears to be in the outer gum wall, if that's the correct term, and doesn't look like it's penetrated into the woven layers below. I don't know if this is a safety issue or not. I've never heard of a tire failing at that point before, but confess to little knowledge on the subject. By the way, it's very easy to check your tires without removing them. Just deflate them all the way and push the tire bead away from the rim, working your way around the tire to inspect the circumference visually. Is there anybody out there who has some knowledge in this area who has an opinion on the safety issue? On Nov 14, 2:11 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I noticed that before on mine, but didn't think much about it... now took a second look and yeah, it runs around the entire circumference, maybe 3 or 4 mm above the rim. Top layer of the weave is totally split. Replace immediately??? Tread is still ok... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4103817724/ On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 7:53 AM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.netwrote: I demounted some older Pasela's and found a crack in the sidewall that ran around the entire sidewall at the point where the sidewall touches the rim, maybe a mm. or two from the edge of the bead. I never would have detected it if I had not taken the tires off. The black tread was still in excellent condition, but I had to throw them away. My suspicion is that the deterioration of the sidewall is not due to usage or wear but to degradation from ultraviolet rays and/or ozone. I'm going to inspect my Jack Browns today for the same problem. FWIW, I have a few nicks in my tan Pasela sidewalls from rocks or such, but not cracking or deterioration on them. I'm keeping my on those few areas as the top weave is cut, but the second layer is still fine. Hope it stays that way as I have a bit of tread still (but going fast!). They do seem really dry though, almost brittle. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: increasing longevity of skinwall tires?
Nice analysis, Jim. It would be interesting to ride the tires until they fray to see how long they would go, but I tend to replace tires on my cars and bikes before I need to. I think the newer tires are safer, it gives me peace of mind, and it's a small luxury that I can indulge in. Kind of like buying new sneakers before your old ones are worn out. This also offsets other riskier, even dumber, behaviors that I engage in. Thanks for the post. Richard On Nov 14, 4:57 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/14/09 12:50 PM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: I just checked my 2-year-old Jack Browns and they have that same split all the way around, though not as bad looking as the much older Pasela tan wall. The split appears to be in the outer gum wall, if that's the correct term, and doesn't look like it's penetrated into the woven layers below. I don't know if this is a safety issue or not. I've never heard of a tire failing at that point before, but confess to little knowledge on the subject. By the way, it's very easy to check your tires without removing them. Just deflate them all the way and push the tire bead away from the rim, working your way around the tire to inspect the circumference visually. Is there anybody out there who has some knowledge in this area who has an opinion on the safety issue? Hey. It's the internet. I'll hazard a guess... If you work from the outside in, the tire layers consist of contact material (the black part of a skinwall), The underlayer (the skinwall), the thread/casing, and a thinner layer. AASHTA -http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tires.html In the photo that David E shared -http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4103817724/ I notice two things - first, the cracking parrallel to the rim, second the whitish fold marks from running at relatively low inflation. Overall, the sidewall looks pretty dried out - certainly drier than my tires. David rides in an area which has consistently high ambient temps, which I've always found to degrade tires quickly. My experience is that the skinwalls/sidewalls go first. If those were my tires (and lemme just say that I may have a higher tolerance for risk than others here, and if you base your actions on my opinions, I can't take liability for it) I'd run 'em until I start to see the beginning hints of threads fraying through. But, I'm also just odd enough to want to see how they begin to fail. If the whole sidewall is cracking, I'd replace the tire. This is how you often find old tires on garage sale bikes - unused tread but brittle, almost varnished looking sidewalls. But, if the sidewall is still relatively supple and elastic, I'd run them for a while yet. IF I could see through to black tube anywhere when they are inflated, I'd pull 'em, cut the bead with a tin snip and not use them. Back to the photo - The threads still have to fail, and the thread casing/underlayer in general is probably a bit thicker than the skinwall. The threads are probably more resistant to heat damage than the surrounding rubber composite. I think what may be happening is the combination of running larger volume tires at low pressures, while the sidewall itself is drying out a bit quicker than average. That big footprint of the tire tends to stay stuck, while you and the bike can move quite a bit side-to-side. I would tend to think that's why you are seeing cracking like that. Just one other semi-unrelated data point - Riding with a canti brake pad out of alignment, I cooked through a brand new WTB Velociraptor rear tire in under an hour, and the first half was climbing. There's not a lot of material there. You might check to make sure the edge of the pad isn't off the edge of the rim, though David's doesn't appear to have done so. One more thought - If the underlayer is really dried out, there is a possibility of the black layer delaminating. (Kinda like a retread auto tire failure). I've experienced this with a Specialized road tire (can't remember the name - back in the later 90's) that used a dual durometer compound. But, even that was happening slowly enough that I noticed it between rides. Hope that helps. - Jim who just took his Pasela 32's outside and looke at them under strong light and cleaned glasses... -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt - Now availablehttp://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Improper Messages
Whoops, subject got changed by accident. Here it is corrected. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Actually, after all the Surly threads we have had here of late, I kind of find it refreshing. Much like Riv, BG runs a small operation based around his vision of what a certain kind of bike should be. Surly is a division of a large corporation with an guerilla marketing campaign that somewhat cynically suggests buying one is sticking it to the man. I don't have anything against BG or Surly - like 'em both - but I was just commenting on Gordon's blatant hijacking of the spam string to promote his own products on the RBW forum. I liked your comment about Surly's marketing campaign. I never thought about it but it's true. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Patagonia Dumps Sigg Over BPA Issue
Why do so many of you value SS bottles so highly? I've been using Polar Bottles and like them a lot. They're insulated, less expensive, no BPA, no flavor, you can squeeze them, they don't rattle in a bottle cage. Is there some advantage to SS that I don't know about? I'll admit they do look good. On Oct 11, 6:10 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I sent my 1L and 1.5L bottles to them, and they credited me $50 toward a new purchase. Unfortunately that doesn't cover a direct replacement in those sizes, so I instead picked up the double walled stainless steel 1L thermos. That was $40, and there was nothing available for the extra $10 credit. The thermos hasn't arrived yet, and it's been a couple weeks since I ordered it. I presume it'll come, but it's not exactly a quick turn around. I used the 1.5L bottle daily, so needed something immediately and purchased a KK 40oz. container. The KK new sport-top 2 is supposed to be pretty cool FWIW. DE On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Guess I should have returned my Sigg to Rivendell instead of to the Sigg address. Just got back from a week bike tour and found still no news whatsoever from Sigg. And yes, I had forwarded a request for update before leaving. I hope Sigg at least got the bottle to recycle the aluminum. Probably just stick with the Wall Bike bottles I used on this trip. On Sep 20, 10:31 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: On Sep 20, 9:06 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 20, 2009, at 10:40 AM, R Gonet wrote: Again, think about Rivendell having to deal with a recall on one of their products. They'd have to assign some of their limited staff to deal with that but would still be doing business as usual. Everything would be slower- new order fulfillment as well as processing the recall. All the RBW folks would (hopefully) understand this- because Rivendell is not a faceless corporation to us- and cut them some slack. We should do the same with Sigg. Companies like RBW, Sigg, Patagonia, and others trade on their reputation for quality, reliability, and integrity to earn our trust. When I buy a no-name product made in China, I know I'm taking my chances. When I pay a premium to buy a product from one of the aforesaid companies, I rely on their reputation to deliver a quality product. I'm not overly concerned about BPA but when a company employs deceptive practices, I think they don't deserve any slack. Richard, you're obviously tweaked about this and we're not going to agree. Since this isn't a Riv topic, maybe it should be left off of the mailing list. Tim: I agree. We've beaten this horse to death. We should be out riding instead. Richard. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Well, good. Apparently no scamming or dishonesty here. There are (at least) two sides to every story and stuff happens. It looks like the forum can relax. I'm OK, you're OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Update: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
Huh? Addressed to me? On Oct 9, 11:44 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Glad you weren't pinned under an Atlantis. On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, good. Apparently no scamming or dishonesty here. There are (at least) two sides to every story and stuff happens. It looks like the forum can relax. I'm OK, you're OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
I have purchased items from individuals on this and the iBOB list. Sometimes they send me the item before I have paid and other times I have paid before I've received the item, and all has worked out. I'm a lawyer and deal with scammers, conners, liars, and cheats all the time, so I'm not a naif, but I also assume that people are honest and sincere until they prove otherwise, unless they give obvious signs of mendacity (we all know the difference between a rat and a kitten and we give the former a wide berth). It then disturbs me greatly when they prove me wrong. I also like to think of the people on these two lists as some kind of brethren and that there is a code of honor among us, almost as if participation in these groups somehow filters out the chaff. It is therefore disturbing when something like this occurs to me. If I were you, I would detail the specific facts of the transaction on this site, email it to the person, and invite him to make things right. I would assume and hope that there is a good explanation for his failure to respond. If he does not, then post it. Strange things happen all the time and he may have a plausible explanation - he may be on sabbatical or in the hospital. Or, he may just be a little f*g creep who should be outed to protect the rest of us. If, indeed, he is a conner, we can at least take comfort in the fact that he is the exception that proves the rule. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Ethics: What to do if I am scammed by a list member?
It is the exception that proves the rule. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule On Oct 8, 10:53 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:35 PM, R Gonet wrote: Or, he may just be a little f*g creep who should be outed to protect the rest of us. If, indeed, he is a conner, we can at least take comfort in the fact that he is the exception that proves the rule. Also a possibility, although exceptions disprove the rule... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
On Oct 7, 11:06 am, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Oct 6, 10:29 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: So, if the only variable you're comparing is width, the difference between 30 and 33.3 is significant. significant? really? what is significantly different about the jack brown and 32 pasela? just curious. 3.3 mm., if the only variable you're comparing is width. That's more than a 10% difference. Do you disagree? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: TYRES?
I have an AHH with Jack Brown Blues and they measure 33.3 mm, as advertised. I also have a QB with Pasela (non Tourgards) which are a nominal 32 mm but actually measure about 30 mm. So, if the only variable you're comparing is width, the difference between 30 and 33.3 is significant. I've only ridden the QB on the road but I've used the AHH on the road, trails, some dirt, mud, and gravel and they perform adequately. They aren't mountain bike tires, but the only times I've stalled were on significant uphill grades with wet grass, mud, or very loose gravel. I think the advertising on the RBW site is pretty accurate. And they are comfortable. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Who made the hatchet sold by RBW?
Molly On Sep 29, 12:58 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What company made the small hatchet once sold by RBW? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Patagonia Dumps Sigg Over BPA Issue
Again, think about Rivendell having to deal with a recall on one of their products. They'd have to assign some of their limited staff to deal with that but would still be doing business as usual. Everything would be slower- new order fulfillment as well as processing the recall. All the RBW folks would (hopefully) understand this- because Rivendell is not a faceless corporation to us- and cut them some slack. We should do the same with Sigg. Companies like RBW, Sigg, Patagonia, and others trade on their reputation for quality, reliability, and integrity to earn our trust. When I buy a no-name product made in China, I know I'm taking my chances. When I pay a premium to buy a product from one of the aforesaid companies, I rely on their reputation to deliver a quality product. I'm not overly concerned about BPA but when a company employs deceptive practices, I think they don't deserve any slack. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Patagonia Dumps Sigg Over BPA Issue
On Sep 20, 9:06 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 20, 2009, at 10:40 AM, R Gonet wrote: Again, think about Rivendell having to deal with a recall on one of their products. They'd have to assign some of their limited staff to deal with that but would still be doing business as usual. Everything would be slower- new order fulfillment as well as processing the recall. All the RBW folks would (hopefully) understand this- because Rivendell is not a faceless corporation to us- and cut them some slack. We should do the same with Sigg. Companies like RBW, Sigg, Patagonia, and others trade on their reputation for quality, reliability, and integrity to earn our trust. When I buy a no-name product made in China, I know I'm taking my chances. When I pay a premium to buy a product from one of the aforesaid companies, I rely on their reputation to deliver a quality product. I'm not overly concerned about BPA but when a company employs deceptive practices, I think they don't deserve any slack. Richard, you're obviously tweaked about this and we're not going to agree. Since this isn't a Riv topic, maybe it should be left off of the mailing list. Tim: I agree. We've beaten this horse to death. We should be out riding instead. Richard. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeams on Ebay
With Riv selling a 65cm QB frame and fork for $1100, the one at the start of this string sounds like a steal at $699. http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/frame_specials#product=50-272 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saddles
I have a B-17 and two Selle Anatomica's. The SA's beat the Brooks hands down. And they're waterproof. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeams on Ebay
Well, maybe not, but I've been searching eBay (and craigslist, and this list) for a long time for another large frame, and so far I've found only low-end bike-boomers, and I already have one of those. I get pretty excited when I find something worth serious attention. Maybe I should just set up my old straight-gauge Fuji Royale with a 7-speed hub and see how I like that. I think I am agreeing with those who think this frame is overpriced ($699). Ed: I don't think I'd let the price deter me. First, is it really that overpriced? Good bikes in this size are few and far between, and you know because you've been looking for a while, so I think you should be willing to pay a small premium. I think you should be willing to pay $150 or so extra to get this find. You will end up with a great frame that will last you a long time. If you're into flipping bikes and making money on them, that's one thing. If you want something that will make you happy for many years, spend a few more dollars. You aren't going to outfit it with the cheapest saddle, bars, running gear, etc., that you can find are you? Of course not, so don't skimp on the frame. It's an investment. Go for it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Rivendell product wishlist
A number of you have expressed the wish for a waterproof (synthetic) saddle. The Selle Anatomica is leather, waterproof, and out of the box it is more comfortable than the Brooks. RBW used to sell them but stopped. IMO, that saddle is the answer to your wants. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Hilsen Touch Up Color
How do you tell whether an AHH is Toyo or Waterford? I have one and don't have any idea how. On Sep 8, 3:05 pm, Solomander soloman...@aol.com wrote: Thanks for pointing it out. I have a Waterford AHH. Joel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam in Denver
Why the velcro strap on the left brake lever? Is it a parking device? Does it prevent tennis elbow? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Classical geek, not greek. Face it, even without your Old Guys Rule T-shirt she spotted you for a geezer. Young people spot a lot more cues of aging than you or I do. Just accept it, man. You've got a patina that they can't even see. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Spurious Posts
Ditto. On Sep 8, 12:09 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Amen -what Patrick said THANKS! On Sep 7, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Jim -- not to the subject, but thanks for your work in maintaining this entertaining list. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 9/7/09 2:16 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My typing-fu is weak today: The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. What I _meant_ was The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and only seems to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version Didn't want to appear quite so double-negativeish. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Sick Siggs
Apparently Sigg was selling aluminum water bottles with an interior coating containing bisphenol, which is supposed to be a bad thing. Grant has a post on the RBW site about this, under the Rivendell News section. Sigg is replacing these bottles and Grant suggests that you send them back to Sigg, but because RBW sold them, Grant is also willing to assist in the exchange (read the article for details). Grant is apologetic for having sold them - his term is guilty by association - but RBW was misled by Sigg, too. I would not think of returning a bottle to RBW under these circumstances and I give great credit to Grant's taking some responsibility, even though I think he does not need to. But that's just another example of why we support RBW. And I would never buy another Sigg product, to punish them for their deception --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Multi-Speed Quickbeam
It is true that the 8sp hubs will not generally fit on a stock QB, but you could probably cold-set to 132 or whatever is needed. Jim: Would please explain what you mean by cold-set. Thanks. Richard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sick Siggs
Of my entire post, the criticism of Sigg consisted of only one sentence. My major point was that GP was being so apologetic about the problem, that it wasn't necessary because it wasn't his doing, and that this was just another example of his altruism (to quote Esteban), which is another of the reasons that we support RBW. And for what it's worth, I still use the old toxic plastic bottles, but I'd be annoyed if I'd payed extra for the supposed purity of Sigg aluminum. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
For some other things you won't have to think about with your steel bike, see http://www.bustedcarbon.com/. Good luck to your carbonized friends. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Considering an AHH - Advice sought
All other things being equal, I don't think you're going to be able to keep up with your friends on carbon when riding an AHH. But I think you'll have more fun than they do if you poke around some gravel or dirt roads, which would not be accessible to them. My experience with the AHH is limited to using the Jack Brown 33.33 cm tires and I think they are good all rounders. I use them on pavement, gravel, mud, and dirt and they work as advertised at the RBW site. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Continentals 25% off at REI
REI is selling all Continental tires at 25% off. Good time to stock up on Ultra Gatorskins. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo Press on BikeRadar.com
Thanks for the link, Jim. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: 650b market status?
What do you all find to be the advantages of 650B over 700C? Are they more comfortable? On Aug 23, 9:01 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I'm with Bruce! Almost an all 650B fleet now. In fact, my only non-650b bikes have been locked up 400 miles away in my ex's shed for over 2 years now: 20 wheeled 'bent, 27 fixie, and 700c Shula. I'll probably keep the bent and Shula, but the fixie will be replaced by a 650b model. (already got the wheels!) Last 700c ride was may 2007. Riv content: this is all Grant's fault for selling me those Trimlines 3 years ago! Ryan On Aug 23, 2009, at 15:48, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: After being sucked into the 650B vortex by Phil, I have divested myself of all 700c wheels and now count (3) 650Bs and a lobe 26 in the garage. In fact, I just built a set of wheels using some NOS uniglide hubs and Synergy rims. I like 'em. From: Phil B phi...@sonic.net Other than a little used rigid mountain bike 650B conversion, the only time I utilize the size now is in the winter, turning my comfortable road bike running Jack Browns into a fendered 650B. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo sizing
On Aug 22, 6:28 am, nawr...@comcast.net wrote: I cant wait to see the headbadge, Riv always does such a great job with those. And am also curious about the seattube decal, panel or an R on the sides like the Rambouillet ? It is fun watching the new bikes from Grant. Wouldn't a Howdy Doody headbadge be appropriate for a bike named Rodeo? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
Think of how much trouble Grant and others have had to get the fork rake just right on Taiwan made frames. Others have made similar comments. Would someone please explain why it is so hard to get a fork made to one's specifications? I can't do it, but it's not exactly rocket science, is it? If you are a builder of some experience, and if you start with a properly tapered steel tube and then bend it on a jig, and if you use care in doing so, can't you end up with the same fork tube time after time? I can't see why this is any more problem than assembling a frame to specs and making it straight. Why can't a Taiwanese builder do this as well as a Japanese or American builder? What am I missing here? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
I don't know why that would make a difference, if the tubing is being bent around the same shaped form in both cases. But if that is the difference, why can't the Taiwanese bend by hand, if that is what is required to meet RBW specs? It can't add that much more to the cost of manufacture. On Aug 21, 10:59 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I could not find it, but recall in another string on this that the Taiwan factory uses a machine to bend the forks where Toyo and others bend by hand. On Aug 21, 9:51 am, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Think of how much trouble Grant and others have had to get the fork rake just right on Taiwan made frames. Others have made similar comments. Would someone please explain why it is so hard to get a fork made to one's specifications? I can't do it, but it's not exactly rocket science, is it? If you are a builder of some experience, and if you start with a properly tapered steel tube and then bend it on a jig, and if you use care in doing so, can't you end up with the same fork tube time after time? I can't see why this is any more problem than assembling a frame to specs and making it straight. Why can't a Taiwanese builder do this as well as a Japanese or American builder? What am I missing here? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service
I have a B-71 with about 1200 miles on it and two SA's. The Brooks just isn't as comfortable and I have it mounted on my Quickbeam because I can't ride a single speed as far as my other bikes and I'm out of the saddle more. If someone wanted to buy it, I would replace it with another SA. It's honey, with the copper rivets, never ridden in the rain, nice patina, tension bolt adjusted once, then loosened to see if that would help. Maybe it's just my butt. On Aug 15, 10:08 am, Todd Olsen todd_ol...@comcast.net wrote: i was thinking of doing just that. i currently have B-17 that I purchased with my bicycle. have ridden it about 1300 miles. it is pretty comfortable, but i have a sense that i may be able to do better. i will probably continue to ride it another 1000 miles or so, try some tweaks such as raise a nose a little, maybe put a little conditioner on it, see if i can loosen the tension bolt a half turn (never been tightened). but if that does not work, i am considering the Brooks Upgrade Service offered by Selle An Atomica. another option would be to switch to the selle an atomica altogether. do you have experience with both a broken in B-17 and the SAA? BTW, i noticed RBW no longer has the SAA on its website. todd olsen On Aug 14, 2:43 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Why not just buy a Selle Anatomica in the first place? Out of the box they're much more comfortable than a broken-in B-17, IMO. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Brooks Upgrade Service
Why not just buy a Selle Anatomica in the first place? Out of the box they're much more comfortable than a broken-in B-17, IMO. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: A Little Roadeo Preview - QA with GP
Also check out the Velo Orange stems. http://www.velo-orange.com/vostem.html They also sell a nice stem adapter. http://www.velo-orange.com/vothstad.html I have purchased these for an RB-1 rebuild and they are beautiful. On Aug 14, 6:57 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 17:36 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Rocky B wrote: Great-looking bike. Can't wait to see the final version. Is it me or does lugged frames with threadless stems look weird? I can never get used to them together. They looked fine when Alex Singer and Rene Herse did them 50 years ago. And Tom Ritchey did them in the 1970s, too. I think the issue is that the modern threadless stem tends to have a big fat tube instead of an elegant looking tube for the extension. It doesn't have to be that way:http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless.jpghttp://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless3.jpg I'd call that elegant --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: A Little Roadeo Preview - QA with GP
Right, but you were comparing it to the Nitto, which is heavier because it has the vertical portion that inserts into the head tube. The Ritchey and VO do not, but you then have to factor in the weight of the fork tube and spacers, etc. My uneducated guess is that it's a wash. On Aug 14, 9:41 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: But the same applies to the Ritchey stem that was under discussion above, since it too is threadless. On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: But don't forget that with the Nitto stem you are saving the weight of the fork tube extension, whatever that may be. On Aug 14, 8:52 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: In all fairness to Mark, it must be kept in mind that the goal was to build the prototype with weight in mind, given that the Roadeo is intended as a lightweight club rider. I'm not sure about the particular Ritchey stem he used, but since many of those sorts of stems weigh just a little over 100g, there is a not inconsiderable weight savings compared to the otherwise very nice Nitto stem that Steve linked to above, which weighs in the neighborhood of 300g. That's somewhere between a 1/3 to 1/2 lb. difference, if my math is correct. If they succeed in getting the final build below 20 lbs, it would go some way toward demonstrating that lugged steel and lightweight bikes are not mutually exclusive categories, even if the bike still carries what some may consider a 3 or 4 lb weight penalty with respect to the latest carbon machines. On Aug 14, 5:03 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 17:36 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Rocky B wrote: Great-looking bike. Can't wait to see the final version. Is it me or does lugged frames with threadless stems look weird? I can never get used to them together. They looked fine when Alex Singer and Rene Herse did them 50 years ago. And Tom Ritchey did them in the 1970s, too. I think the issue is that the modern threadless stem tends to have a big fat tube instead of an elegant looking tube for the extension. It doesn't have to be that way: http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless.jpg http://www.businesscycles.com/graphics/tstem-nitto_tless3.jpg I'd call that elegant Me, too. Hence why I mentioned them earlier as preferable to the fat black Ritchey stem in the photo. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
