[RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[oldmangabe]

I've been riding a Galibier for about two years on my randonneur bike. It 
took me (170lbs) quite a while to break it in. I almost gave up and swapped 
it back for the Aspin, but a combo of rainy and sweaty rides finally did 
the trick. 

For me the S/G works best with bars below saddle, while the Aspin works 
slightly below, at, and above saddle heights.

I like both models equally. I decided to try switching to the Galibier 
because the bars on my rando are 2-3 inches below my saddle and I've come 
to appreciate less pressure on the backs of my thighs on rides over 200k. 
It feels similar to using a Flite or a Fabric Scoop saddle. Though the 
Aspin is a great all around saddle for me as well. YMMV

Gabe

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 5:24:45 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I really like Berthoud saddles.  The Mente to me is the best saddle for 
> very upright riding positions.  Mainly because I don't have to ride with 
> the nose super high like I do with the Brooks.  I also like the Aspin for 
> bikes with drop bars.  I've been wondering, though, what the 
> Soulor/Galibier is like.  It's a narrower, racier saddle.  Does anyone here 
> have any experience with this saddle?  Is it too narrow?  Noticeably less 
> comfortable than the Aspin?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

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Hmmm...

This review is making me think about dipping my toes in Atlantean waters 
again

Gabe

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 2:28:23 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I said the 56cm 650B Atlantis was a perfect bike and that I wouldn't 
> change a thing.  
>
> Mike Williams asked for a comparison with the Joe Appaloosa, which is an 
> excellent bike.  There are a few small but notable differences that make 
> the Joe Appaloosa a very good bike for Bill Lindsay, and make the Atlantis 
> a perfect bike for Bill Lindsay.  
>
> They both ride great.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa is ideally set up with Choco 
> bars, in my opinion.  For me, drop bars are just better, and the top tube 
> length of the Joe Appaloosa would have made a drop bar setup goofy for me.  
> The 56cm Atlantis has a slightly shorter top tube and is perfect with drop 
> bars and a 9cm stem.  The 55cm Joe Appaloosa has 700c wheels. When you run 
> it with stout wheels and tires, those heavy wheels make the bike more 
> cruiserish and less agile, in my opinion.  The 650B wheels of the Atlantis 
> are far more preferable in handling.  It is possible that lightweight 700c 
> wheels and tires could get some of that back.  My preferred agility in 650B 
> could easily be countered by another person's stability in 700c.  Finally, 
> I really dislike toe clip overlap.  I really dislike it and avoid it 
> whenever I can.  I bought the Appaloosa thinking it wouldn't have TCO for 
> me, because it had a really long front center.  It had less TCO than my 
> 700c 58cm Atlantis that I used to have, but it still happened, and fully 
> loaded on campouts it was a problem that I don't want anymore.  650B bikes 
> in my size never have TCO.  
>
> So, if I still had the Appaloosa, I'd still ride it and it would still be 
> great, but I would wish it was 650B and I would wish that it had a slightly 
> shorter top tube for a better drop bar setup.  The Atlantis is perfect.  
> The fact that it is an instantly recognizeable ICON of a machine also makes 
> the Atlantis perfect, in my eyes.  I also prefer less seatpost showing on a 
> 56 from the 55 Appaloosa.  The original Atlantis was a masterpiece.  I'm 
> now convinced the MIT Atlantis is flat out better (for me).  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Any MUSA 650b tire makers?

[oldmangabe]

There are no bicycle tires made in the USA. There is no infrastructure or 
skills to do so. 

Gabe

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 10:51:26 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Know of any?

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[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

[oldmangabe]

I just realized my laughter could be construed as being directed at you, it 
isn't. Sorry if it came across that way. The whole thing is amusing to me. 

Gabe

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> So I saw this movie on netflix. Spare yourself. The soundtrack is awful 
> and the dialogue is vile.
> But my issue of discussion here is:
>
> It is a guy who goes around the world riding in and video taping bike 
> messenger championship city races.
>
> What I don't understand, is these guys ride totally recklessly through 
> dense city traffic, breaking all kinds of laws and putting themselves, 
> pedestrians, and drivers at risk at every moment of their riding.
>
> I wonder what their average lifespan is once they start riding this way?
> I don't get it.
> Who would want to ride this way and risk dying on every ride? Just doesn't 
> make sense to me.
>
> Also, they totally abuse their bikes, slamming them on the ground when 
> they dismount. Are they rich?
>
> Any messengers here have any insights to what is going on in the messenger 
> community?
>

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[RBW] Re: Line of Sight movie has atrocious cyclists. What is going on?

[oldmangabe]

Hahaha.

Basically, they do it because they find it fun. Sure, we could debate the 
merits of it all, as well as those of personal and social responsibility, 
but they find it fun. So they do what they do. You don't get it, fine. A 
lot of people don't get Riv or it's philosophy, which is fine. 

Gabe

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 2:57:43 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> So I saw this movie on netflix. Spare yourself. The soundtrack is awful 
> and the dialogue is vile.
> But my issue of discussion here is:
>
> It is a guy who goes around the world riding in and video taping bike 
> messenger championship city races.
>
> What I don't understand, is these guys ride totally recklessly through 
> dense city traffic, breaking all kinds of laws and putting themselves, 
> pedestrians, and drivers at risk at every moment of their riding.
>
> I wonder what their average lifespan is once they start riding this way?
> I don't get it.
> Who would want to ride this way and risk dying on every ride? Just doesn't 
> make sense to me.
>
> Also, they totally abuse their bikes, slamming them on the ground when 
> they dismount. Are they rich?
>
> Any messengers here have any insights to what is going on in the messenger 
> community?
>

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[oldmangabe]

Front, duh. 

I've come to appreciate the challenge of riding narrow brushy/snowy single 
track with lowriders. So far the ass-over-teakettle moments have been fun. 
Plus the extra weight pretty much assures you keeping the front wheel 
planted on loose turns or steep climbs.  

Gabe

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Esteban wrote:
>
> I'm building up my Hunqua and planning some bike camping that will involve 
> as much dirt as possible. I have a front and rear Nitto Campee lowrider 
> rack - can anyone chime in from experience about impressions with either? 
> I've used both, but not on dirt and not on a Hunqua or Fatlantis...
>
>  This is under-bikepacking, hobo-style camping, so no framebags for me on 
> this rig. I do pack rather light, though - two panniers and a rando bag 
> does the trick.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[oldmangabe]

Yeeaaah. For some reason google let you route down the spur/downhill track 
and not onto the eldridge fireroad at those 40% sections. Just stick to the 
obvious fireroad up and down and you will be fine, and not get fined. Have 
fun, upper eldridge is one of my favorites. 

Gabe

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:42:29 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Well I don't ride up there much. I was hoping the locals could let me know 
> whether this route was doable. 40% does seem a tad much. I chose all trails 
> and roads I've heard people have ridden. 
> On Jun 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "René Sterental"  
> wrote:
>
> 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!
>
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I think my post to the original got buried. 
>>
>> I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from the Inn 
>> and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At first glance it 
>> looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation but we have all 
>> day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and eat out on the 
>> trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I encourage folks to 
>> chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a bail out on my route 
>> where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for a tour and a really 
>> mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.
>>
>> Without further fanfare here's the route 
>> . 
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[oldmangabe]

Like how the Atlantis is set up!

Gabe

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 5:28:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I was riding BART to the office from El Cerrito to Union City.  I had the 
> bike spot and a fellow leaned up his Rivved out Bob Jackson on my butch 
> Fatlantis.  His bike was decked out:  Albatross, Paul brakes, Brooks, 
> Sackville Saddlesack in back.  Slick.  We had matching Sackville Tunksack 
> Smalls on the fronts of our bikes.  Both of us had the old metal ID badge 
> riveted on.  
>
> Picture proves it happened:
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[oldmangabe]

Hugh et al.,

There isn't a dirt route per se. Instead there are a number of cutoffs or 
side routes that are dirt roads. They are usually bunched together for 
short sections. Pacifica through HMB, then a bit north of Santa Cruz. There 
is Old Coast Rd at Bixby Bridge that ends just north of Big Sur town. After 
that you can go up the superb Nacimento Fergussen (paved just after Kirk 
Creek campground) and head south on the coast ridge road to Burros Rd which 
drops you back to Hwy 1 around Gorda. Once you leave Big Sur proper there 
are some more dirt roads inland to SLO, and then more connectors to Santa 
Barbara. All good diversions, but they almost all require you to climb back 
up to the coast range ridge tops.  

Gabe

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 11:34:52 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> Outstanding! I hear there is a dirt route down the coast, which I'd love 
> to find and ride. I love the route you took some of the best of California. 
> Thanks for the post.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:21:48 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo, 
>> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara. 
>> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to 
>> keep my bike light.
>>
>> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow 
>> lister, and carried everything with me. 
>>
>> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was 
>> hardly a cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride 
>> (8,000 feet of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
>>
>> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv 
>>
>> --Eric N
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>> @Campyonlyguy
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for North Coast beta: Lost Coast loop

[oldmangabe]

Neil,

A W Way campground is a nice county campground right on the Mattole river. 
It's about 5-7 miles south of Petrolia. I wouldn't recommend staying at the 
BLM site near Honeydew. There is also beach camping at the mouth of the 
Mattole river southwest of Petrolia. 

Depending on which direction you go out of Ferndale, you could ride up 
Wildcat/Mattole rd. to A W Way, then over Panther Gap to Albee Creek on Day 
2, and then north on AOTG/101 to Rio Dell and Ferndale on Blue Slide rd. 
Winds are predominately out of the NW, so either way is going to have 
headwinds, but having the wind at your back while descending the wall and 
along the coastal terrace would be best in my experience. 

Gabe

On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 11:51:58 AM UTC-8, Neil wrote:

 Hey all -  a couple pals and I intend to ride the Tour of the Unknown 
 Coast route over 3 days in late May. I'm looking for any info on camping 
 and supplies, and any don't-miss spots along the way. We're taking 3 days/2 
 nights to ride about 100 miles, so we'll have lots of time for side-trips 
 and general corn-doggin'. Any and all recomendos and advice welcome!

 Cheers,

 Neil




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Re: [RBW] Re: Phase Two of an Atlantis build

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YUSSS.

I like your rack mounting. 

Glad the bike is getting used!

Gabe

On Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:31:59 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Now, with racks and dynamo lighting installed:

 'Lantis https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/15834703819/

 After that, I did a minor front rack optimization to get it level:

 Rack Mini-Mod https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/15995390446/

 Resulting in a really cozy area in front of the headtube

 Front end area https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/15995392956

 On Friday, December 12, 2014 6:00:57 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Yeah, great idea for the cable routing, Bill.  Looks clean, and stays out 
 of your way. 



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[RBW] Re: Longshot Want-To-Trade: My Paul Touring Cantilevers for your Shimano CX70s

[oldmangabe]

Couldn't you just swap cartridge holders from the long ones that come with 
the Pauls to the  shorter road ones found on the CX70's? I've done that 
in the past and been able to clear the fork blades and seat stays. 

Gabe 

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:31:05 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I'd like to try out a set of cantilevers that were designed to clear the 
 fork blades and seatstays completely when quick released open.  The ones 
 Rivendell sells are the Shimano CX70.  I have a set of decidedly used 
 silver Paul Touring Cantilevers to offer in trade, before I go hit the 
 buy button.  Let me know if you are looking to swap out and get more 
 MUSA.  


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[RBW] Re: Gabe's Atlantis has come to its new home

[oldmangabe]

Awesome!

Gabe

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:07:02 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I accidentally posted this on the i-Bob group.  Meant to post it here...

 Henry and I went and picked up Gabes 58cm Atlantis today.  Now it's on the 
 stand and ready for another chapter.  Here's the album.  

 Flickr Set 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157649658062495/

 I threw the wheelset and cockpit on there for a couple shots to visualize 
 fender clearances (massive) around Soma C-Lines.  

 First thing will be touch up on some chainsuck, and then Purple Newbaums 
 chainstay wrap for future chainslap protection.  Onward!


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Re: [RBW] For Sale-58cm Atlantis Frame/Fork/Headset

[oldmangabe]

Bill, 

Your strong defense and quick handling skills have caused a turnover and 
you are now driving to the hoop.  

SALE PENDING.

Thanks everyone. I appreciate it.

Best,
Gabe

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:33:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I am working on it.  As the basketball players would say, I'm 'boxing 
 out'.  I got first dibs in.  If you like my builds, stay tunedIf you 
 hate my builds, grab a barf bag.  

 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:51:01 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 That's a killer deal. I paid a fair amount more than that for my 58cm 
 Atlantis, same year, with only marginally better paint condition. Someone 
 get on that! 

 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:53:57 AM UTC-6, Pondero wrote:

 Gee...it's so much fun to spend Bill's money.  Go, Bill!

 Chris Johnson
 Sanger, Texas



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[RBW] For Sale-58cm Atlantis Frame/Fork/Headset

[oldmangabe]

 

Hi everyone,

 

For sale is my 2005 or 2006 Rivendell Atlantis 58cm frame and fork. It is a 
great frame and I have made a lot of memories with it, but after about nine 
or so years of trying to convince myself it fits, I’ve finally realized 
it’s just too small. I am the original owner. The bike was ridden in and 
around Northern California on and off road since I bought it and the paint 
is representative of this. There are quite a number of paint dings and 
scrapes with the most significant being shown in the images, but the damage 
is confined to the paint and is not affecting the tubes. The frame was 
never crashed, and is structurally sound and in alignment.

 

Images can be found HERE 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128926515@N04/sets/72157648844502288/

 

Geometry and specs HERE 
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/09.html

 

I am located in SF. A local sale would be preferred since nobody really 
likes dealing with SH, but I will ship. Contact me off list if interested. 

 

I am asking $1000 for the frame/fork/Ultegra headset + SH. 

 

Best,

Gabe

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[RBW] Re: New Kryptonite Bike Lock Idea

[oldmangabe]

I've seen iterations of this idea before. They have either been in the RD 
phase, or produced in small numbers by local engineers or machinists here 
in SF. It is a neat idea, but when I tested a similar design made locally I 
found it to be too cumbersome and limiting to use in most situations. That 
was the general consensus too among those who tried it. It's interesting to 
see Kryptonite taking this idea to market. I hope it goes well.

Gabe

On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:52:43 AM UTC-7, Jim Edgar wrote:

 I love the simplicity of this - surprised it took so long for someone to 
 notice that this could work.  Just have to use the one narrow enough to 
 resist the car jack exploit.


 http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/new-bike-gear-previews/new-bike-locks-kryptonite

 - Jim / cyclofiend.com


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[RBW] Re: Bike locks ?

[oldmangabe]

My opinion and experience.

Honestly getting a high quality u-lock and using it correctly is the best 
theft deterrent and piece of mind when looking to protect the frame/fork or 
whole bike regardless of the bikes value. I use/used and like the 
Kryponite, Abus, and On Guard u-locks (mini versions). I've had my last 
Kryptonite u-lock going on six years of daily use. All good u-locks will be 
kind of hefty, but it's worth it. I wouldn't really recommend using more 
than one u-lock on the bike because of the hassle, excess weight, and 
redundancy/over-complication of the situation. If you live in an area 
without a lot of parking meters or well designed/useful bike racks, the 
kryptonite NY chain locks are great for fitting around bigger street sign 
poles. I believe Abus makes something similar, or you can make your own by 
buying the best chain and lock at a hardware store and sheathing it in a 
used tube. Though if one doesn't live in a high density area, or an area 
with a high theft problem, a single good u-lock will be sufficient for 
securing your bike. 

I also use Pitlock skewers on my hubs and seatpost for the bikes I ride in 
SF or other urban areas where practicality dictates locking them outside or 
even inside public garages or bike parking areas. These give me piece of 
mind to enjoy whatever it is I am doing and not having to fret about the 
wheels and seat. Combined with the u-lock I am pretty much worry free. Pay 
attention to what you lock up to and that you properly lock the frame to 
the desired structure. If you don't want to deal with or pay for the 
Pitlocks, there are less expensive allen key skewers. Or you can use a 
decent sized cable to secure your wheels or seat. Also, never leave your 
bike locked up overnight in a publicly accessible location (ie: on the 
street, public garages. bike racks).

As for best modes of locking bikes to auto bike racks, I have no idea 
really. Maybe try the u-lock? Also, I think some/most roof or bed mount 
racks have locking attachments. 

Best,

Gabe 






On Thursday, August 7, 2014 3:34:48 PM UTC-7, Serial Griller wrote:

 I normally do my ride and lock my bike in the rack on my truck since I 
 seldom ride from home.( I live in the boon docks)
 What kind of lock set ups are popular with all of you.
 Thanks,
 Jon


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rip-off?

[oldmangabe]

It's a colorway people. It's not trademarked by Riv or anyone as far as I 
can tell and it isn't hurting the brand or image of Riv (the only way Riv 
could contest the issue). As previously stated it appears to be an 
inspiration point for a company trying to push cycling as a lifestyle 
choice for urban and suburban living in the USA.  

Gabe

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:47:27 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:

 Funny, I remember people complaining a little with the introduction of the 
 Atlantis and how the color was mimicking Bianchi Celeste.  


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 On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Wow, where did *these* guys come from? That's a pretty extensive line of 
 city and cargo bikes. And Atlantis Green looks exactly like what it is: 
 There's no other bicycle on the market which has held this one distinctive 
 color for 15 years, so might as well give it the bike's name.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:02:33 AM UTC-7, Minh wrote:

 Life's too short to take everything as a slight :)

 Inspired in color only, Atlantis is not a fixed-gear city bike.

 On Thursday, May 1, 2014 12:20:35 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:

 I don't know much about this Virtue Bikes, but one color they offer 
 is Atlantis green:
 http://virtuebike.com/bicycles/2014-virtue-one-atlantis-green

 Hm

 Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

[oldmangabe]

As an aside to this discussion, I personally don't see why people are 
dogging on the Pasela TG tires. I've ridden a heap of different tires over 
a heap of miles myself (ranging the whole spectrum), and have found the 
TG's to be much better than most. I know that everyone's expreiences are 
more or less distinct which are in turn affected by various unique factors, 
but as I said, from my experiences I just don't agree with the seemingly 
general opinion that the TG's are heavy, slow, stiff, poor handling tires. 
YMMV and all that, but it's bizarre to me to be located on the periphery of 
opinion regarding the TG tire.  Blah, blah, blah...

If a bike isn't making you happy, don't feel bad passing it on. You will 
find another bike that will stoke you out more in the long term. 

Grumpy out.

Gabe 

On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote:

 So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional 
 road type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are 
 mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that 
 I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe 
 Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride.

 About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who 
 knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My 
 idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in 
 Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with 
 a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform 
 pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, 
 bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and 
 ahs over it, etc.

 The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, 
 wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get 
 terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried 
 to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm 
 out on the bike... like hurry up, man! come on! I'm a decent enough 
 mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think 
 this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is 
 a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to 
 compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike 
 isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my 
 bikes are around that weight or heavier.

 Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is 
 there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and 
 ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier 
 and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm 
 tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights 
 would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Prototype on Blug?

[oldmangabe]

It reminds me of the Breezer bikes that Joe built way back. Particularly 
the ones he and Steve Potts used when touring in New Zealand. 

I've always really liked those bikes and the design, it is smart overall 
design if the materials used allow for the design. Otherwise it just seems 
to be visual flair. In this case I don't understand why the rear midstays 
curve up to the seatstays as they do. It appears to negate any possible 
triangulation/structural benefits of the midstays which may be wanted with 
the long chainstays. Ultimately I don't know, I didn't design the bike or 
spec the materials so this is all just my personal opinion and speculation. 
Sorry for sounding overly critical, not my intention. 

It's an interesting bike and I like how Riv built it up to reference the 
older rough stuff touring bikes. Iterations on a theme. Dirt Cruiser 
Bruiser Bike.

Gabe

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:29:31 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:

 Check it out in all it's blue-ness!

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com

 Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Bunyan Velo No. 4

[oldmangabe]

Thanks Mike!

Gabe

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:45:22 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:


 Just makes me want to buy a fatbike even more.

 Gabe's story of crossing into Cal from Oregon was very well done.  Lots of 
 great writers and adventures.  

 ~mike


 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:17:37 PM UTC-8, rperks wrote:

 Many of you here may already know this, but Bunyan Velo No. 4 hit the 
 digital street today:

 http://bunyanvelo.com

 Click on issues up in the top right corner.  Lucas does this with little 
 of no ads, and the donations part helps keep the next issue coming. 

 Enjoy

 Rob



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[RBW] Re: Retrofitting Riv custom for rails to trails riding

[oldmangabe]

I would see what the biggest 650b tire is you can fit in the Riv. Most 
likely a 38mm Lierre or a 42mm Hetre. You will not be able to fit the 
smallest knobbie 650b, nor will you really need that kind of tire for now. 
For the terrain and load you are describing, the Lierre or Hetre will be 
great, just remember to run either size around 40psi for better traction 
and comfort. Remove the fenders. If you can fit the bigger tires just 
convert the Riv from city/rando to rough stuff. 

As for bars, go back to the midge bars. You know they work for you, and if 
you can get them high enough they should work well off pavement by allowing 
you to easily access the flared hooks for leverage when climbing or riding 
over rough terrain. 

This should be able to give you a pretty adequate rough stuff bike. If 
you find yourself wanting something to handle the rough terrain differently 
or at a greater scale, then look for an old mtn bike or something along the 
lines of the Bomba or Hunq.  

Gabe

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:54:54 PM UTC-8, Lesli Larson wrote:

 A few weeks ago I wrote in seeking info on ideas for a classic, riv style 
 MTB bikes for trail riding.  I still have my eye on a Bomdadil but now I'm 
 eyeballing my Riv custom rando bike as a possible makeshift trail rig.  I 
 use a different bike now for brevets so the Riv is currently set up as more 
 of a commuter with porteur bars, inverse levers, Pauls centerpulls, and 
 basic 650x1 tires.  

 If I remove the fenders I'm wondering what more I would need to do to 
 retrofit the bike for rails to trails riding - typically rough pavement and 
 some hard packed dirt?

 I'll be on a three day tour and might require a few more hand positions.  
 I anticipate riding on roads for a fair portion of the ride.  

 I already have pretty low, 1x1 gearing from rando riding.  Shifting is via 
 downtube shifters and a vintage, long cage Campy derailleur.  

 Wondering what I might want to do about tires (go wider?) and the bars (go 
 back to drops or midge bars)?

 Front wheel has a generator hub but that seems like a good thing for trail 
 riding.

 As much as I love to buy new bicycles, I'm trying to shop from myself 
 more for project bikes or seasonal adventuring.

 The question here is whether I'm forcing the Riv into a  bike it is not 
 instead of sourcing a low budget MTB via craigslist for this kind of 
 specific use case.

 Here's what the bike looks like in its rando state:


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/61672163@N00/3588549190/in/photolist-6t7fDL-awbwTw-6178Wa-3ohQqg-zAM2h-6XcaCG-6cP5CM-6rgUtY-53fvrM-51J8Pp-35XvEa-4Pn81k-4Rh75s-4SW9xS-9WosMi-5pRHuP-4Y5aoJ-6gq2Gi-4Pn9tk-4Y5aqw

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[RBW] Re: Need Bike Shop SF, CA Marina or Pacific Heights

[oldmangabe]

Not in the areas you mentioned, but a good shop for Riv builds is Box Dog 
Bikes in the Mission.  Close to BART.  

Gabe

On Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:52:11 AM UTC-8, Jim J. wrote:

 I'm looking for reliable bike shop in Pacific Heights or Marina District 
 in SF.  A place I could have a bike shipped and who would assemble for me.


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[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[oldmangabe]

Well said Bobby.  

The crux of this particular problem is that SRAM seems to have rushed it's 
product to market in order to compete with Shimano and meet market 
expectations. In doing so SRAM seems to have neglected to do enough RD on 
the redesign of the road versions of their hydro calipers.  It always 
baffles me that companies would rather deal with warranties and recalls 
rather than make sure the products were correctly designed and speced, even 
if it means they come to market a bit later than the competitors.  Though 
if they had waited longer they would most likely have missed the 
opportunity to sell their components to bike manufactures who have speced 
them on their 2014 and 2015 models.  Again, it still baffles me that SRAM 
chooses to operate under the quick to market but with good warranty 
service model.  In my opinion quality of product should be paramount which 
will help drive sales in the long term.  Such is capitalism though.  

I've grown tired of razzing my friends who have discs on their steel cross 
bikes, which is too bad because I took such a perverse pleasure in doing 
so.  It should be noted though that none of them run SRAM hydros, and they 
are all much more skilled and experienced riders than I.

Gabe

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[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[oldmangabe]

I am not sure if I would be able to commit to a frame, but I do have some 
general ideas and opinions.  

I would basically keep the SO/QB the same in terms of general geo and 
specs.  At it's core it is a very good design and concept that is actually 
pretty hard to find in the bike world.  

Changes or things I would like to see:

1-foreward facing horizontal dropouts without a derailleur hanger.
-the reason for this is that it replicates the current dropouts on the 
simple one/quickbeam allowing for easy gear changes, and allows for easy 
fender setup/fenderlines and wheel removal.  The rear facing horizontal 
drops are cool in theory, but it was the main dealbreaker for me because it 
made wheel removal and movement with fenders such a PITA.  No derailleur 
hanger, because it is unappealing aesthetically and concept wise, plus 
these kind of bikes never shift that well unless the wheel is all the way 
forward in the DO slot.  BTW, I am speaking mainly of rear facing DO's with 
hangers.  Even horizontal DO's with hangers need the wheel as far forward 
as possible for quick shifting. 

2-More tire clearance with fenders.  
-Maybe up to a 45mm with fenders and 10mm of clearance at stays and 
fork blades with fenders on.  

3-equaldistant bridges for easy and secure fender mounting.  The seatstay 
bridge should have a threaded boss facing the rear axle.  Even bolting 
plastic fenders makes them more secure than just using the slide clamp.

4-Canti/linear pull brake bosses.
   -Keeping in line with the original QB and SO concept.  Better tire, 
fender, and mud clearances than the silver sidepulls.  It also allows for 
more variation and choice in specing the bike out.  You are not locked into 
just using the silver big mouth brakes.  Same goes for centerpulls, limited 
options.  

5-brake cable stops at 11 o'clock, or 1 o'clock on the TT.  This will make 
shouldering the bike comfortable.  You won't have the stops digging into 
your shoulder, or you don't have to think about repositioning the bike when 
carrying it on your shoulder.  This can make the frame better for urban 
use, plus dirt riding.  

What I would like to not see.

1-No double TT's except on the bigger sizes (62cm plus).
   A double TT doesn't really add anything structurally IMHO except on the 
bigger frames (62cm+), and only when the frame is built using either 
standard diameter tubing or very thin wall tubing.  Unless one of the 
main design concepts for the frame/fork is to be a single speed mtn touring 
bike, or a go fast bike, then it wont be built using either of the afore 
mentioned tubing styles, thus negating the need for the double TT.   
Aesthetically a double TT just makes the frame look cluttered, my personal 
opinion.  I see the double TT to mainly be a marketing/brand identifier 
now, one which I don't think Riv needs anyway, again my personal opinion.

2-No kickstand plate.
   Again a personal preference.  In my urban/suburban riding I have never 
found the need for a kickstand.  Leaning the bike on poles, meters, bike 
parking, walls, fences, trees, bushes, etc. has always been sufficient.  
When in my apartment, bikes are hung up or leaned against a wall.  When 
touring and riding in the wilderness I have not found kickstands to be a 
benefit.  More often than not the kickstand sinks into the ground 
destabilizing the bike.  Or the loads on the bike destabilize the bike 
negating the kickstand. 

3-No extra brazons
  -single rear eyelets, rear seatstay eyelets, double fork tip, midfork, TT 
cable stops.  No shifter bosses or other extra cable stops or brazeons.   

Though a design by committee approach can be a dangerous thing, it can also 
be exciting.  I look forward to hearing what others think, and ultimately 
what Riv and Grant design and brings to light.  

Gabe


On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:28:12 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike 
 that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam 
 and SimpleOne.  The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant 
 Petersen's comments in this thread - 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - in 
 which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the 
 project.  

 Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could come 
 to pass. No promises, of course.  

 Here are the guidelines for this thread:
 - State clearly what you would like to see.
 - Give a specific reason why.

 Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging 
 creative thought:
 - No negative comments.  If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue 
 (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.  
 - No discussion about whether something would or would not work.  Each 
 idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.

 This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion.  If you have a 

[RBW] Re: How are 33 mm tires for fire roads?

[oldmangabe]

Patrick,

If neither of you are confident on the terrain conditions, and he is not 
confident handling a road bike in the dirt then I would agree and say the 
mtn bike is the better choice.  As to your question as to what is a general 
rule of thumb for fire road riding, I have two answers.  Again I agree with 
what others have said, it is primarily subjective to each persons comfort 
and skill level on the bike.  I and friends have shredded down rocky 
singletrack on 23mm tires on numerous occasions.  Though for some take away 
numbers, 28mm is the smallest I would go for passive suspension and tire 
contact, with 32/33 being the accepted size for sportif riding and 35mm+ 
for more exploratory riding.  

Gabe

On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:12:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thanks, Brian. That's precisely my fall back response, but I was wondering 
 if there is a general rule of 30 mm or 35 mm or ??? being the low end of 
 ridable on fire roads.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:04:14 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I would then tell him to bring the mountain bike. Right tool for the job. 
 Even if it is a bit overkill, better to have too much capability than not 
 enough.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:42:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 That's the thing, he's new to multitudinous terrain riding, so he has no 
 reference point. Since my Hunqapillar runs 50 mm tires, I don't either.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:34:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Your best bet is to describe the terrain and let him decide. The what 
 bike/tire for dirt debate is almost as subjective as saddles: One 
 person's 
 fun ride can make another person feel in over their head.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:04:33 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 A friend is planning on coming on the flash ride on Pikes Peak and was 
 wondering whether to bring his MTB or road bike (33 mm tires aka 27 x 
 1.75). I helpfully replied, “What are those? I just ride.” He laughed and 
 replied “No. Seriously. Which one?”

 I don’t know the condition of the most likely route, but in the past 
 it’s had some wash board and loose-ish gravel but was well packed for 
 most 
 of it with a clean line most of the time. May be some snow on the road 
 come 
 Saturday and it will likely melt somewhere along the way.

 Can you help me help him?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Stolen Royal H Mixte Ventura

[oldmangabe]

I agree with people that being forced to take part in the cycle of stolen 
property makes one feel like you are perpetuating the whole deal.  I guess 
there are some key points that are left unclear or unaddressed before I can 
pass my own judgment on people, actions, or choices that were directly 
involved in this scenario.
1-how did the original owner become aware that X bought the bike at a swap 
meet?  
2-How did X come to know that the bike was the owners bike?
3-Why did X bother contacting the owner that they had recovered the bike?
4-Why do we assume that X was in on the whole scheme, or why they are a 
willing part of the cycle of stolen and fenced goods?
5-Yes, it is too bad that the original owner had to pay out money to get 
their bike back but, THEY GOT THEIR BIKE BACK.  True, it was not a complete 
recovery, and that can add salt to the wound.  

Now for my editorial and context:
It sounds like the original owner got thier bike back because someone at a 
swap meet noticed a very nice bike for too little money.  They bought it, 
and then checked the forums etc., to see what was the what.  At which point 
they appear to have contacted the original legal owner of the bike saying 
they had recovered it.  More often than not, when one is forced to recover 
a bike in this manner, one ends up having to pay out of pocket, and it is a 
sign of respect and thanks to reimburse the money to the person who again, 
more often than not, is trying to help.  It is far from fair, or perfect, 
but unless one has the time or privilege/luck to work with the police, then 
working with a fellow citizen outside of official protocols and reimbursing 
them for getting your bike out of the hands of a thief or fence is 
unfortunately what it costs to get reunited with one's beloved bike.  Also, 
don't think that it is easy to physically take possession of a stolen bike 
either.  Unless one is in a position of strength and can safely physically 
take possession of the bike, then one is back to paying for it.  Physical 
force recovery is exceedingly rare, and quite risky.  Imagine doing this in 
the middle of a swap meet or flea market by yourself or with a partner.  
From personal experience, unless the police catch someone in the act of 
stealing or fleeing with stolen property, then you can't really expect too 
much help from one's local police force.  Recovery of stolen property is 
low on their list of priorities (regardless of whether it is a bike, car, 
computer, etc).  Again, this is not fair nor right, and generally speaks to 
the overload and shortcomings of our community police forces. That is a 
completely different topic that is beyond the purview of this forum.  

All of this doesn't mean that the original owner cannot be angry about the 
whole situation. Or that we as a community of cyclists cannot be incensed 
by the lack of support from the law and police agencies, but there is more 
to all this than fairness or the law, right or wrong.  It unfortunately is 
not a black and white binary currently.  There are some cities whose police 
forces and cycling communities are beginning to be proactive in dealing 
with bicycle theft, but there are some pretty big structural issues that 
need to be addressed first before any real change can occur.  In the end, 
the owner got their one-of-a-kind bike back, which I think is great.  

Best,

Gabe


On Friday, August 16, 2013 4:08:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Perry,

 Well said and completely the way to handle such things. I wanted to say 
 the same but was hesitant I didn't want to offend. Still I'm glad she got 
 her beauty back though in a less than desirable way.

 ~Hugh

 On Friday, August 16, 2013 3:12:04 PM UTC-7, bobish wrote:

 If at all possible, I'd have police handle it and not paid. Trafficking 
 in stolen goods is trafficking in stolen goods and should not be 
 reimbursed, rewarded, etc. I mean, if I suspend all reasonable sense, I can 
 get big screen tvs for pennies on the dollar, never ask about provenance, 
 and ask for my money back when rightful owner wants them back. But I'm not 
 judging you for your decision. We do what can in an imperfect world. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?

[oldmangabe]

Michael,

I like Boure synthetic bibs for long rides.  They have thinner pad and good 
placement.  They have worked best for me on warm (60 degree plus) rides. 
The Ibex bibs work well in rain or cooler temp long rides.  The Ibex have a 
thicker and larger pad than the Boure bibs.  The wool bibs wear out 
quicker, maybe 5000 miles or so of hard riding.  I have had horrible luck 
with Woolistic shorts and bibs, they consistently wear out after maybe 
1000-2000 miles.  Not worth the cost in my book.  I live and ride in 
Northern California and Oregon. My bars are usually a good one to two 
inches below my saddle so these might not work as well for upright riding.  

Gabe

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or 
 English, etc.
  
 I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
 Walnut Creek.
  
 But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without 
 sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a 
 squeegee. Ouch!!
  
 I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a 
 thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding 
 posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to 
 speak.
  
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[RBW] Re: Opniel knives

[oldmangabe]

They are all the rage.  Heritage products man, heritage products.  To be 
fair, VO had the knives first.  Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets.  
It's a funny arms race brewing up.  I like Opinel knives, been using one 
for a few years now.  Still sharp, looks good.  The ones Riv have are a bit 
too esoteric to actually be useful knives.  IMHO at least.

Gabe

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now 
 on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well.  

 On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm   - Someone should 
 tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives 


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Opniel knives

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Bill,

I would be into Wiffle Inc stuff!   

Sorry to misinterpret your post and come down on you.  I find it tiring to 
have people frequently creating binaries by pitting Riv vs VO, or BQ vs 
Riv, Giants vs A's, etc, etc.  I guess I need to chill and not be on the 
forums for a bit.  

Later,

Gabe

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:09:05 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

 Yes, the funniness had nothing to do with who had them first, and I didn't 
 intend to imply that anyone copied anyone.  I only found humor in both 
 establishments choosing to carry them this summer.  Clearly both Grant and 
 Chris used them as boys, just like countless others have.  Maybe they'll 
 both carry Wiffle Inc products, which are still miraculously made in 
 Fairfield, Connecticut.  

 Bill Heritage products! Lindsay

 On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:03:10 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote:

 They are all the rage.  Heritage products man, heritage products.  To be 
 fair, VO had the knives first.  Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets.  
 It's a funny arms race brewing up.  I like Opinel knives, been using one 
 for a few years now.  Still sharp, looks good.  The ones Riv have are a bit 
 too esoteric to actually be useful knives.  IMHO at least.

 Gabe

 On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote:

 I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are 
 now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well.  

 On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

 http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm   - Someone should 
 tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives 


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg
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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[oldmangabe]

Chris,

That is too bad about it taking longer than quoted.  Though, I do not see 
why you feel the need to air these grievances with Riv in the public forum, 
when the best course of action would be to continue to work with Riv until 
your frame is repaired and returned to you. If you are unsatisfied at the 
end, you can quietly walk away.  

Best,

Gabe

On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:06:44 PM UTC-7, chris wrote:

 My Rambouillet (only road bike) has now been gone for repair going on 8 
 weeks and I was told a couple of weeks ago that the bike had been shipped 
 from the frame repair shop to the painter. When I found out that the bike 
 had been shipped to the painter I asked if it would be possible to pick it 
 up in Sacramento (bike was repaired there and I was going to Sacto for the 
 day) and Riv said that it was in Chico with no mention of the fact the 
 painter never acknowledged receipt and was not answering phone calls so 
 they speculate that he might be on vacation. Getting the whole story took 
 numerous emails.

 Unfortunately, I haven't had a very good experience dealing with Riv. I 
 rarely received repair updates unless I constantly emailed them and the 
 final straw was the painting. 

 Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv 
 said that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a 
 few days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a 
 clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose 
 but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so 
 why turn it into a selection on my part?

 Riv also asked at the beginning if I had another bike to which I responded 
 I did not and no offer of a replacement so why ask? However, after 
 complaining directly to Grant about the painting I got an offer of a 
 replacement bike. However, no direct response from Grant. Offer came from 
 an employee. Riv is a small company so why wouldn't Grant respond himself?

 I'm pleased that Riv stands behind their products by doing the repair for 
 free, but the customer service was somewhat lacking.

 Chris
 San Jose

 On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:

 I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain 
 stay broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram 
 new in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and 
 spoke to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me 
 today regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local 
 builder.  Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on 
 frames.

 Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
 the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

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I've seen it happen a number of times with a variety of steel bikes over 
the years.  It's partly due to the stress of that particular joint (lots of 
torque due to the drivetrain placement).  The other key factor in these 
kind of failures is overheating of the dropout/chainstay junction during 
brazing which anneals the steal making it more brittle and prone to 
possibly failing like this far down the road.  Beefing up the dropout may 
help, as will changing the dropouts to socket style versus tab dropouts 
(like on the Rambs).  More important than the beefiness or style of the 
dropout, is tighter control of the torch and heat when brazing.  It's not a 
sign of a bad bike at all, or of shoddy construction or quality control, 
it's just what happens to steel frames sometimes.  Luckily it is easily 
repairable.  Like I said, I've seen this happen to the whole gamut of steel 
bikes.  No reason to worry about your other frames, or to constantly check 
your driveside dropouts now.  No besmirching of Riv intended, just trying 
to add some info to the situation.  It's cool you were able to drop the 
bike off at Riv and they were able to get it fixed. Riv is good peoples.

Gabe  

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:

 I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
 broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
 in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
 to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
 regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
 Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.

 Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
 the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.

 Chris
 San Jose


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[RBW] Re: Devil's slide tunnel

[oldmangabe]

The old road is closed.  You can't go on it like Lee said.  I've ridden the 
tunnel both ways numerous times and I find it safe and acceptable.  Get 
there early (before 9am) or late in the day and you should be fine.  
Regardless one should feel comfortable riding with some traffic for about 
2-3 miles on either side of the Tunnel.  The narrow shoulder is only for a 
short section before and after the Tunnel.  The tunnel has a HUGE shoulder 
and cars are going relatively slow, and the tunnel is well lit and vented.  
When exiting the tunnel, wait or time yourself for a break in the traffic 
(traffic pulses through here due to traffic lights in Pacifica/Linda Mar) 
and take the lane till the shoulder reappears.  People will usually wait 
for you to get to Moss Beach.  Pluses for the tunnel are it is quicker, you 
get to ride through a tunnel under a mountain, and you get to ride along 
the cliffs and the ocean. If this sounds like too much ride Planet of the 
Apes, which adds some dirt adventure, more miles and climbing, and about 
half hour to hour more riding time.  Plus, getting to the start of Planet 
can be a bit tricky if you don't know where it is.  

Gabe

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:22:19 PM UTC-7, Way Rebb wrote:

 Hello,

 Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel 
 opened?  I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Decent $500-$600 off the shelf bike???

[oldmangabe]

I agree with Jim's POV completely, and not becuase I work at a shop.  For 
someone looking to gain access to cycling or riding a bike on a regular 
basis, getting a decent new bike (if it fits their budget) is usually the 
best overall value for that person.  With new bikes, one gets all new 
compnents, a service warranty, and usually a good deal on accessories at 
the POP.  One also gets to ride various sizes and models and choose their 
favorite in their timeframe and comfort level (assuming the shop is not 
overly pushy).

With used bikes, you get used components with typically unknown history and 
reliability.  Sure, if the person buying the used bike is mechanically 
inclined, or has easy access to services/knowlege, time, extra money, or 
prior cycling experience to choose, repair, and service a used bike, then 
it could be a good value.  From my experience it is not a good value 
monetarily or time wise for someone to invest in a non bikeshop, 
overhauled, used bike for their first bike.  It will usually turn into a 
money/time pit, and generally deter someone from riding by bumming them 
out.  I've seen it happen time and again.  Used bikes can be a good choice 
for people who are already invested in bikes, cycling, tinkering, etc.  

I second the vote for the Jamis Coda Sport.  Lots of sizes, steel, 
versatile, reliable durable components, and generally fits the proposed 
budget.  A very good value overall IMHO.  

Though ultimately, it is up to Dustin's sister to choose the bike that is 
right for her needs and goals.  

Gabe  

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:04:16 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I admit to harboring a stereotype that this young woman just wants a 
 comfortable, reliable bike to ride, and does not care to get into a project 
 refurbing an obscure antique. Perhaps I'm wrong. 

 I realize that some used bikes are a good deal, and need little or no TLC 
 to be a good rider. But it takes some skill to identify these. And even if 
 you only find high quality used bikes on your local CL, it's easy to feel 
 pressured to buy one that isn't ideal. At a bigger shop, at least a 
 customer could try several bikes side by side. Plus, there's a warranty, 
 maybe a deal on accessories, etc.


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[RBW] Re: Was Planning on Riding Some Dirt In Marin Wednesday - San Francisco ride idea

[oldmangabe]

How about RR Grade to East Peak to Ridgecrest to Bofax Trail to SFD back to 
Mill Valley.  Its a long day out but it hits a lot of the good stuff.  
Or RR Grade to East Peak to Rock Springs to Eldridge to 4 Corners to Bofax 
and back to Mill Valley?  That one is a bit shorter and has more down.  
Jealous, I have to work that day.  Have fun.  
Gabe

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 My brother and I have been talking Bolinas Ridge or perhaps some Mount Tam 
 fire roads heading generally north via dirt and then riding Drake to get 
 back south this Wednesday. Anyone interested in coming or want to offer 
 improved route ideas? 
 I'll be riding 700x55's. 

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Re: [RBW] VO vs. Nitto handlebars...

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VO bars were originally made by Nitto.  For the past few years VO bars have 
been made by another company, and not in Japan.  VO bars are still very 
nice bars from my experience.  
Nitto does make the Grand Bois bars and stems.  
Gabe

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:59:56 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote:

 My left bank bars from a few years back were not stamped nitto but they 
 are nitto made. Quality was good but not finished as well as the nitto 
 branded stuff or the grand bois bars. But that finish is part of the cost. 



 On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 I just dont know if the production runs nowadays are made by Nitto or not. 
 Under manufacturer it just says Velo Orange I do have a set of H-bars I 
 got from them a couple of years ago in the basement and they dont say 
 Nitto on them anywhere. I mean the price was right so I didnt care but 
 just want to put it out there that these might not be the quality you 
 expect from Nitto bars. 

 On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:44 PM, René Sterental 
 orth...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Nice to know they are also made by Nitto.


 On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Dan McNamara 
 djmcn...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Here the the original VO announcement for the Left Bank.

 http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-french-style-handlebars.html

 The VO bars I have used have been nice. I don't like the finish as much 
 as the Nitto dull bright but I used tape or leather grips on them so who 
 cares.

 Dan




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 Any experience comparing both? VOs seem to be about half the price. 
 Also, polished alloy vs. chromoly?

 I recall having read somewhere that cromoly bars, although a bit 
 heavier, will last longer and be safer than aluminum handlebars. Also 
 wondering how the aluminum Bosco compares with the Chromoly one in all 
 departments except weight.

 When do you choose chromoly vs. aluminum assuming you have both options?

 Thanks,

 René

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[RBW] Re: Mark's Hub Area Rack

[oldmangabe]

It looks like an interesting rack. 

I wonder about flex or sway of the rack under the weight of a bag when 
riding the bike.  It only looks like there are two attachment points for 
the rack, and it looks like they are all along the fork.  It appears that 
they basically in line with each other along a narrow plane.  I seems that 
a third attachment point would be best for stabilizing the HA rack and it's 
load.  Look at how the Nitto Campee Lowrider rack attaches the pannier 
mount, or how most other French inspired lowirder rack systems mount to a 
fork.  The pannier mount on the Campee has three bolts which triangulate 
the bag mounting section to the rack. Other French inspired lowriders (as 
well as the originals), also have three points of contact; forkblade, 
eyelet, and then a strut to the small hbar bag platform rack.  Also, there 
is a reason why Tubus and Blackburn lowriders have the connecting hoop 
going over the tire, to create a third attachment point and to brace the 
pannier mounts.  Maybe I am missing something though?  

I will be interested to see what Riv eventually unveils. 

Gabe 

On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-8, Marty wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: People I meet on the internet...

[oldmangabe]

David,

Glad you enjoyed the visit!  Breezers are pretty great dedicated city 
bikes.  If you can join up on any more of Esteban's northerly road trips, 
we all should do a more chill non sanctioned rando ride.  

Till next time.

Gabe

On Monday, January 28, 2013 10:47:48 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stopping by Box Doghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8414647351/was 
 a great way to spend some time in the city! Good store, good wares, and 
 good people... BDB is everything I expected to find! 

 Buddy we were staying with just might end up with a Breezer out of it, 
 too!!!


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 It was great to meet you.  Thanks for coming up, and coming by the shop. 
 Glad you had a good time. 

 Gabe


 On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:06:26 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a fact: The individuals in this group are some of the best out 
 there. It's really pretty amazing. These connections have inspired a lot of 
 conversation and bike rides over the years, and this weekend was no 
 exception! This particular adventure started a month or so ago, when 
 Esteban suggested going up to do the SFR 200K. I didn't think I could do 
 that, but hoped to do the populaire. Illness took it's toll between then 
 and now, and that wasn't an option anymore. But I still really wanted to go 
 up north! We talked about it and recruited a couple friends... instant road 
 trip! They would do the 200K while I figured something easier to do, either 
 a ride in Walnut Creek or Marin.

 From the contacts I made on this list (friends on the internet!), I was 
 basically able to go up to the Bay Area, crash at someone's house, meander 
 about the city, and get a guided tour of Marin county courtesy of Gino and 
 Philip. Then go back to San Francisco and have Gino guide my around by text 
 when I was wondering about where to go. Unbelievably good time! 

 It ended up being an 11 hour day (mostly) on the bike, so much for 
 taking it easy! Climbing up to the east peak of Tam was a lot of work for 
 me, but finally made it. Some of the most incredible views I've ever seen. 
 A blast coming down, although sore arms two days later! Then a great ride 
 through the mean city streets of San Francisco (totally took the lane 
 coming down Bay). 

 Only regrets are not being to meet up with Cyclofiend Jim due to 
 illness, not getting out to see Harry at Walnut Creek and had hoped to have 
 said hi to a few more folks at the beginning of the rando, but limited to a 
 quick hello to John  Lee. It looked like you all had a great ride, minus 
 that wind! Everyone there was really nice to my buddy John who came up to 
 do his first organized ride and jumped right into it.

 Here are my pics of the weekend, only good times: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**cyclotourist/sets/**
 72157632627267769/with/**8421640123/http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157632627267769/with/8421640123/

 So yeah, good people here! A nice cozy spot in the intertubes to call 
 home... Thanks to all of you!

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[RBW] Re: People I meet on the internet...

[oldmangabe]

It was great to meet you.  Thanks for coming up, and coming by the shop. 
Glad you had a good time. 

Gabe

On Monday, January 28, 2013 8:06:26 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a fact: The individuals in this group are some of the best out there. 
 It's really pretty amazing. These connections have inspired a lot of 
 conversation and bike rides over the years, and this weekend was no 
 exception! This particular adventure started a month or so ago, when 
 Esteban suggested going up to do the SFR 200K. I didn't think I could do 
 that, but hoped to do the populaire. Illness took it's toll between then 
 and now, and that wasn't an option anymore. But I still really wanted to go 
 up north! We talked about it and recruited a couple friends... instant road 
 trip! They would do the 200K while I figured something easier to do, either 
 a ride in Walnut Creek or Marin.

 From the contacts I made on this list (friends on the internet!), I was 
 basically able to go up to the Bay Area, crash at someone's house, meander 
 about the city, and get a guided tour of Marin county courtesy of Gino and 
 Philip. Then go back to San Francisco and have Gino guide my around by text 
 when I was wondering about where to go. Unbelievably good time! 

 It ended up being an 11 hour day (mostly) on the bike, so much for taking 
 it easy! Climbing up to the east peak of Tam was a lot of work for me, but 
 finally made it. Some of the most incredible views I've ever seen. A blast 
 coming down, although sore arms two days later! Then a great ride through 
 the mean city streets of San Francisco (totally took the lane coming down 
 Bay). 

 Only regrets are not being to meet up with Cyclofiend Jim due to illness, 
 not getting out to see Harry at Walnut Creek and had hoped to have said hi 
 to a few more folks at the beginning of the rando, but limited to a quick 
 hello to John  Lee. It looked like you all had a great ride, minus that 
 wind! Everyone there was really nice to my buddy John who came up to do his 
 first organized ride and jumped right into it.

 Here are my pics of the weekend, only good times: 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157632627267769/with/8421640123/

 So yeah, good people here! A nice cozy spot in the intertubes to call 
 home... Thanks to all of you!


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[RBW] Re: SFR Lighthouse brevet. Roll call?

[oldmangabe]

Manny,

To clarify, PBP only happens every four years.  The most recent one was in 
2011 so we all have a bit of time till the next one to decide if and what 
bike to ride.  In my opinion, the route and scenery are not the main 
reasons to go do PBP.  It is riding with thousands of other randonneurs 
from around the world, and experiencing the overwhelming support and 
camaraderie from people along the route.  Sure, any riding in France is 
great, but if you just want to go ride in France, there are tons of more 
interesting or challenging routes to do than trying to recreate PBP on your 
own.  Do PBP as PBP.  To rivramble or whatever, you have the whole country 
for that. 

All that said, I will be doing the 200k on one of my Pelicans.  See you all 
out there.

Gabe   

On Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:14:34 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 You got it Will. I'll be there, I'm hoping the there will be a break in 
 the weather and sun will poke out. But doesn't look like it. 
 My motivation is taking shots of people riding back from the light house.
 There's BBQ oysters at Marshalls!? I was told to get the Chowder. But the 
 oysters sound amazing! 
 I'm willing to jump on this Rivendell wagon for the 200k. Looking for a 
 good solid pace with great company. 

 @Eric  - If I get the chance to see you on the road I was wondering if I 
 could pick your brain about your PBP experience. I have this crazy idea of 
 going to Europe and riding the PBP. But don't know if I want to commit to 
 wanting to riding it fixed.

 Anyone willing to carpool? I'll in San Leandro and planning to drive into 
 the city. Was looking to grab some Tpumps in San Mateo afterwords the the 
 best Milk tea ever.


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[RBW] Re: Ride Report

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Manny,
sfrandonneurs.org is your local chapter.  They have an email list that
is pretty extensive, and folks in the club love giving out useful
advice.  I believe there is a Populaire coming up at the end of
March.  Check the website, search the list.  The best advice I can
give now is eat and drink regularly, ride your pace on a bike that
fits, and have fun.
I've been riding with SFR for about six years now.  Good group of
people and great riding.
Gabe

On Jan 31, 12:11 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Love the ride report. I have yet to cross that threshold into
 randonneuring. Hopefully this summer can put me on the right path. Any
 suggestions to someone who would want to do something like this but
 with no prior experience?
 -Manny

 On Jan 31, 10:10 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:







  Thanks, Robert - I'll check it out.  I really think this one was water -
  didn't pee for quite a while, so that's a bad sign :)

  Brian

  On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:46 AM, robert zeidler 
  zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote:

   Brian,

   Lots of good advice on this-and there are a lot of opinions out there-in
   the book, Paleo Diet for the Athlete by Joe Friel.

   He tells how to calculate your carb and water intake for your specific
   body weight.

   Check it out.

   Rgz

   On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
I did my second Populaire (100k) this past Saturday around Camano Island
   in WA.  It was a fairly rain-free day, and I was able to get away from 
   home
   for the morning, so I took advantage of it.  I rode my AHH and had another
   trouble-free comfy Riv experience.  I had just replaced the crank -
   formerly an XD 700 48/34t double.  I put my older Suntour XC Pro crank 
   with
   a 46/32t double config (left off a granny ring), and set it up a few 
   nights
   before.  I was glad for the slightly lower (32-32) gearing, as there were
   definitely hills on this ride. I also found that going between the former
   170mm length of the Sugino to the 175mm Suntour didn't make much of an
   impact on me.  It felt totally fine.  I used both front and rear Acorn
   bags, and overpacked clothing, but ended up missing on the food side.  
   This
   ride didn't have too many convenience stores, and I was on a roll to 
   finish
   it with minimal stops.
That was a mistake.  I had done a lot of commuting the week before, and
   was pretty tired by Saturday.  This was after a month off the bike
   (holidays, colds, etc...).  I managed to meet up with a great chap who ran
   about the same pace, and we jabbered on and on until I started to realize
   all was not well.  I had a bit of a pre-bonk at about the half-way point,
   and quickly ate some trail mix and a granola bar, and downed some water.
    This got me to about 95k, and then I really just lost my legs and felt
   dizzy.  I made it in, but had to eat, and stop for more food/water on the
   way home so I wouldn't fall asleep.
Hmmm - not too good at this longer ride nutrition stuff yet.  Oh well, I
   have to get that sorted, as it was a great ride.  Not a lot of traffic on
   the island, and I saw a couple bald eagles along the way - one really loud
   immature bird.  Love this place!!
PTPIH (pics to prove it happened):
   http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyqhJeH
Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: 600K Brevet

[oldmangabe]

HA!  I was the ..uhh riding companion with the fenders.  Glad to see
I made the final edit.  It was good riding with you Eric.  See you in
France.
Gabe

On May 9, 6:17 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 Riding on lugged steel with friction shifting!  My video of this weekend's 
 brevet from San Francisco to Fort Bragg and back.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW3OfkYeo2Q

 --Eric
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[RBW] Re: FYI: VO 107mm BB and Sugino XD2 crank incompatibility

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I am putting my money on it being the crank not being machined
properly.  On the drive side, at the square taper interface, the
cranks should be turned down a bit so that one can run a short BB
spindle.   This will allow the cranks to snug into the driveside bb
cup without binding the crank to the cup, or to the bearing.  I've
seen maybe 3-4 Sugino cranksets, all of them being of the XD variety
(Sugino's basic 110 and 130 bcd crank design sold to various
importers) over the last couple of years not have this machining.  It
basically causes the crank to bottom out on the driveside cup much too
soon, as the original poster has pointed out.  If one uses a longer
spindle BB, then it does not happen, but when you are trying to get a
good chainline (singlespeed, multispeed) or a lower Q-factor, this can
happen with an improperly machined crank.  It sounds like you should
contact Rivendell about getting a replacement crankset.  Good luck.
Gabe

On Jul 4, 7:43 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Hi!

 I tried to mount a Sugino XD2 crank from RBW on a 107mm VO bottom
 bracket and couldn't make it work. Mounting the crank onto the
 spindle, before I had slid it on far enough to get the appropriate
 torque on the crank bolt, the inner portion of the crank arm
 interfered with the bottom bracket itself! At first when I was having
 trouble turning the cranks I thought... hmmm, did I ruin a bearing or
 something? But no, it was just that the crank arm was literally jammed
 up against the bottom bracket itself. Just plain weird.

 Anyway, I suspect both the VO bottom bracket and the XD2 crank I have
 are perfectly fine normal examples of their kind. And I suspect the VO
 BB is a fine product in general, as is the XD2 crank. They just didn't
 work together for me.

 The only other bottom bracket I had lying around was a 113mm Truvativ,
 which turns just fine for now. When it shows age, I may replace it
 with a larger VO. I wasn't really very close to the required torque on
 the crank when it came in contact with the bottom bracket. It isn't
 obvious that a 110mm VO bottom bracket would work. I suspect a 113mm
 would, though.

 Perhaps I should just get the 107mm from RBW. This would give me the
 intended chainline. However, I'm going to eyeball carefully my current
 set up. I haven't concerned myself with Q-factor up to this point;
 longer spindles on a bottom bracket don't bother me as long as the
 chainline is reasonable for how I ride. I need to give that more
 thought. I may even go with a 118mm BB if the chainline is okay. At
 that point, the crank arms might just slip right past the two-legged
 Pletscher kickstand when its deployed. That basically turns the
 kickstand into a work stand. (That and a couple of ceiling-mounted $3
 bicycle hooks were the only stand I used to the build the bike up with
 in the first place.)

 Anyway... just in case anybody else tries the 107mm VO BB with an XD2
 crank. I wouldn't expect it to work right out of the box.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: My old Hillborne

[oldmangabe]

129mm approx, that is what I had to do for my Atlantis.  Especially if
the stays are bowed out (like Atlantis).  SKF has one that might work,
or you can find an old UN-72, or a TA Axix.  Of course there is always
Phil Wood.
Gabe
On Mar 3, 10:18 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know what you felt. I ended up buying that Hillsen floor model. Great
 bike. Tho' I am seriously thinking of replacing with 160 mm Q Sugino with a
 narrower crank -- and possibly the B17 which, though comfortable, has to be
 a bit high-nosed, which causes its own problems. We'll see.

 Question for y'all: with a 135 OL spaced rear wheel with seven (7) speed
 rear hub, what spindle ought I to use for a Cyclotourist triple?

 Thanks.

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Way Rebb grayc...@mac.com wrote:
  Hello,

  You folks seem like a fun group who might enjoy this.  I thought I'd
  share some pics of my old Sam Hillborne…but first a story…no wait,
  the pics, skip the story:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157623480171652/

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[RBW] Re: Suntor RD Query

[oldmangabe]

They will not work.  They can only pull 7 max.  Plus the lack of
barrel adjusters and cable anchor point requirements.
Gabe


On Jan 26, 8:28 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a Suntor Crane GS and a Suntor Cyclone.  Will either of these
 work with a modern 9-speed cassette?  I'm sure they will handle the
 tooth differential but it's the lateral throw that I'm concerned
 about.
 George S

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[RBW] Re: Sugino Px on Atlantis

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works fine for me with a 126mm bb spindle

On Oct 30, 7:36 pm, Andrew andrewkib...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody here run a sugino PX on an atlantis? I would like to but
 am not sure if it can clear the stays without a huge bottom bracket. I
 would run a 46-36-26, do you think a Phil 118+5 or 121+5 would work?
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