Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Patrick Moore]

Y'know, I do have 2-3 feet of that narrow copper tubing, bought to
customize cables for my S3X hubs. Must try it as cable ends; with glue, of
course.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM, 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I am unfamiliar with the Jagwire pro housing cutter. It won't crush
> diagonal wound brake housing?  As far as cable caps, I use small diameter
> copper tubing that I bought at a hobby shop. (I cut a 2" length of brake
> and sis cable wire and took them into the store to try the fit). To me,
> copper looks nicer than aluminum, and it has no 'lip'. (A tiny bit of
> steampunk).  A very gentle crimp is needed as the copper is soft.
> I have no recommendation for diagonal cutters. I just buy whatever they
> have at ACE.
> If I remember to, when my phone gets fixed, I will try to post a vid of my
> technique of cutting spiral wound brake housing.
>
> Clay
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:38 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>
>
> That's what I was going to say. The Jagwire Pro housing for both brake and
> shift cuts cleanly and squarely without all this side business. I use the
> Park tool and one cut, put on the ferrule and that's it.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 10:19:29 AM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I've found just recently that the nicer comlressionless housing from
> Yokozuna and Jagwire doesn't end up with tha mangled end to the same degree
> that older housing did. It just takes a quick squeeze and it's back to
> being perfectly rounded.
> -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Patrick Moore]

Good idea; I may try that; thanks -- all the more in that it will look
nicer than a crushed cap. I really dislike the appearance of too-big brake
cable caps squished down onto skinny derailleur cables.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Ian A  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Have you considered gluing the cable end caps in place? It can work well.
> I just crimp, normally with really blunt wire cutters, because I haven't
> yet found a glue that stays fluid in the bottle when left unused. But, with
> the right technique, one can glue the end caps in place and be able to pull
> them off at a later date, the advantage being the cable is not crushed and
> can be rethreaded into housing.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[brad m]

The Jagwire compressionless housing is extremely stiff - I don't think I'd 
use it for anything other than cable disc brakes, which have fallen out of 
favor with me anyway.

For spiral brake housing, a Dremel cut-off wheel is the final solution. I 
use the fiber-reinforced one in an overkill Makita rotory tool.  Regular 
cable cutters always mangle spiral housing, even the Felco's.  Back in my 
shop wrenching days, I'd use diagonal cutters and then square off the end 
with a file or bench grinder.  Using the cut-off tool eliminates that step.

For derailleur housing and all cables, I have a first-gen Shimano one that 
I love (the one with the blue and grey grips).  I'm a tool freak, so I 
thought I'd try the Felco's for that last nth of perfection.  They couldn't 
cut derailleur housing as neatly squared-off as the Shimano cutters, so I 
sold the Felco's.

I tried the first-gen Park cutters and they were garbage.  I imagine 
they've since improved, but Park stuff in general is pretty hit-or-miss in 
my book.



On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:10:01 PM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> I've been using a cheapo tool to cut cables and housing forever, but it's 
> always a clunky process that results in frayed cables and/or frustration. I 
> hate cutting housing so much that I just left my housing way too long when 
> I recently changed my shifters.
>
> Just did a quick search to see what's out there and it looks like $20-40 
> bucks for something specific to bikes for cutting cable/housing. Does 
> anyone have experiences they'd like to share? Do I want a bike specific 
> cable cutter or can I get a generic hardware store version? Is it worth it 
> to spend the extra few $$ on this tool or do they all work the same? 
>
> If Riv sold one, I'd just buy that version.
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Bill in Roswell GA]

FWIW, a good fine file can sharpen up cable cutters. Use sparingly and know 
what you're doing (look at some knife/axe sharpening videos). 

Cable end caps, two methods I really like: silicone adhesive (Shoe Goo 
being one), dip cable end into glue tube so cable has a glob of glue, slide 
end cap on. It will stay put and is reusable. No muss, no fuss. 
 
Yokozuna and a couple of other companies make screw on compression ends in 
a variety of colors. Sure, they cost what 20 cable caps cost, but they are 
reusable without shortening your cables. However, I have not used them but 
am ordering some for shift and brake cables to try out. Use diff colors for 
shift and brake make it easy to keep track of what is what. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 3:34:18 PM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
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> Thanks, everyone. This is just the feedback I'm looking for. Now I'm 
> getting excited to buy some tools!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Portland, OR
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

KJ
"What is this magical stuff, 'Jag Wire compressionless brake housing??'" OMG! 
Thanks so much KJ!  I didn't know it existed. I have wondered why no one made 
it, but I obviously didn't look hard enough. Now that I do, I will never go 
back either.  
Guess I will retire my diagonal cutters now. 
Clay 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 9:41 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
 

 Jagwire Pro is the housing, the Park Tool CN-10 is the cutter.
After using compressionless brake housing, I will never go back to the 
traditional spiral stuff.
KJ

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
I am unfamiliar with the Jagwire pro housing cutter. It won't crush diagonal 
wound brake housing?  
Clay 

   
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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Thanks, everyone. This is just the feedback I'm looking for. Now I'm 
getting excited to buy some tools!

Cheers,
Tim
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Garth]

I have the Shimano one for cutting and assorted files to finish the ends if 
required. Also an wee ol' cool tool that I think is for shoe cobblers that 
I use to open the cable end if it gets crimped. The wood handle is shaped 
like a little light bulb with a 4 inch steel pointer.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Kieran J]

Jagwire Pro is the housing, the Park Tool CN-10 is the cutter.

After using compressionless brake housing, I will never go back to the 
traditional spiral stuff.

KJ


On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>
> I am unfamiliar with the Jagwire pro housing cutter. It won't crush 
> diagonal wound brake housing?  
>
> Clay
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am unfamiliar with the Jagwire pro housing cutter. It won't crush diagonal 
wound brake housing?  As far as cable caps, I use small diameter copper tubing 
that I bought at a hobby shop. (I cut a 2" length of brake and sis cable wire 
and took them into the store to try the fit). To me, copper looks nicer than 
aluminum, and it has no 'lip'. (A tiny bit of steampunk).  A very gentle crimp 
is needed as the copper is soft. I have no recommendation for diagonal cutters. 
I just buy whatever they have at ACE.If I remember to, when my phone gets 
fixed, I will try to post a vid of my technique of cutting spiral wound brake 
housing.  
Clay 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:38 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
 

 That's what I was going to say. The Jagwire Pro housing for both brake and 
shift cuts cleanly and squarely without all this side business. I use the Park 
tool and one cut, put on the ferrule and that's it.
KJ

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I've found just recently that the nicer comlressionless housing from Yokozuna 
and Jagwire doesn't end up with tha mangled end to the same degree that older 
housing did. It just takes a quick squeeze and it's back to being perfectly 
rounded. -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[lconley]

I always solder the end of the cable and never use end caps. Stainless 
cable and galvanized cable require different fluxes and solder. I use the 
Park cutter on both cable and housing and grind the housing flat on the 
grinder (I used a file for years until I got the grinder).
Laing

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:17:57 AM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Have you considered gluing the cable end caps in place? It can work well. 
> I just crimp, normally with really blunt wire cutters, because I haven't 
> yet found a glue that stays fluid in the bottle when left unused. But, with 
> the right technique, one can glue the end caps in place and be able to pull 
> them off at a later date, the advantage being the cable is not crushed and 
> can be rethreaded into housing. 
>
> IanA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Ian A]

Patrick,

Have you considered gluing the cable end caps in place? It can work well. I 
just crimp, normally with really blunt wire cutters, because I haven't yet 
found a glue that stays fluid in the bottle when left unused. But, with the 
right technique, one can glue the end caps in place and be able to pull them 
off at a later date, the advantage being the cable is not crushed and can be 
rethreaded into housing. 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Kieran J]

That's what I was going to say. The Jagwire Pro housing for both brake and 
shift cuts cleanly and squarely without all this side business. I use the 
Park tool and one cut, put on the ferrule and that's it.

KJ


On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 10:19:29 AM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I've found just recently that the nicer comlressionless housing from 
> Yokozuna and Jagwire doesn't end up with tha mangled end to the same degree 
> that older housing did. It just takes a quick squeeze and it's back to 
> being perfectly rounded. 
>
> -Justin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Orc]

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:59:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Next question: what do y'all use to crimp cable ends on the ends of 
> cables? 
>

Regular wire cutters do pretty well if you're careful; I have a pair of old 
(and somewhat dull) cutters that I use for zipties, cord, and crimping 
(when I can find them in my bike mess!)   They work really well if I want 
to do a crimp pattern instead of just mashing the cable end enough to cling 
to the cable. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Patrick Moore]

Clayton: can you recommend a pair of dikes? I've always used Park
housing/cable cutters (it's a combined tool, meant to cut both) to cut
standard housing, and while it does alright, I always have to finish the
housing with a file or grinder. Will the dikes cut housing more cleanly?

I will have to try your progressive method of cutting, though.

I suppose I can always just use a Dremel, as someone else said he does.

Next question: what do y'all use to crimp cable ends on the ends of cables?
The little notch in my (other) Park cable-only cutter squishes them too
much, but I fear that needle nosed pliers won't crimp them hard enough.
(BTW, I prefer using the smallest possible crimps, such as derailleur cable
crimps on road brake cable -- less distortion of crimp which = ugly. I must
try heat shrink tubing, as I've got a lot of linear inches of the skinny
stuff, somehow, which I don't have other use for.

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>
> I never use housing cutters to cut cables.  Housing cutters are made to
>> cut SIS housing only.  I use a decent quality one I bought at a bike shop.
>> For brake housing, I use diagonal cutters (dikes, side cutter). I take the
>> diagonal cutters and make little cuts all the way around the cable cutting
>> the plastic covering only, but chomping hard enough that when one edge gets
>> to the edge of in the wound housing, I can feel it.  At that point I close
>> the cutters so it splits open the crack and cuts it. No crushing. A few
>> swipes with a file and an 'ice pick' to open the lining hole and it's good.
>> Sharp Dikes cut the inner cables the best.
>>
>
> Clay
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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

> I never use housing cutters to cut cables.  Housing cutters are made to 
> cut SIS housing only.  I use a decent quality one I bought at a bike shop. 
>  For brake housing, I use diagonal cutters (dikes, side cutter). I take the 
> diagonal cutters and make little cuts all the way around the cable cutting 
> the plastic covering only, but chomping hard enough that when one edge gets 
> to the edge of in the wound housing, I can feel it.  At that point I close 
> the cutters so it splits open the crack and cuts it. No crushing. A few 
> swipes with a file and an 'ice pick' to open the lining hole and it's good. 
> Sharp Dikes cut the inner cables the best. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Justin, Oakland]

I've found just recently that the nicer comlressionless housing from Yokozuna 
and Jagwire doesn't end up with tha mangled end to the same degree that older 
housing did. It just takes a quick squeeze and it's back to being perfectly 
rounded. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[islaysteve]

A Dremel tool is a good investment and I'm always glad that I finally 
bought one.  But I see Bill's point about the hassle of getting it out and 
setting it up etc.  It depends on how you are set up to do shop work.  I 
have a permanent shop and can leave the Dremel out and at the ready most of 
the time.  It does a great job cutting housings, as others have said, as 
well as many other jobs.  A decent Park cable cutter will complete the 
picture.  Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Austin B]

I use a pair of Channel Lock End-Cutting pliers (bought at Home Depot) for 
both cables and housing (and for a bunch of other non-bike stuff like wire 
fence mesh, pulling nails, etc.). I reshape the hole on the cut end of the 
housing with a small nail until the cable slides through freely.

Not fancy, but I've built up four bikes using it.

Cheers!
Austin

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:18:23 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'll repeat my tip 'cause I think it got missed: Cutting the housing (Park 
> cutter) with a scrap piece of cable inside helps keep the end round. A 
> dental pick to finish it is still a good idea.


What I've taken to doing when I cut brake housing short is to make two cuts 
(Park tool) -- first to cut it one loop of housing wire too long (the cut 
end always folds over the middle of the housing here) and then a second cut 
at right angles to cut that folded piece off and leave the center open for 
the brake cable.When I cut shifter cable housing, I'll just cut it off 
to size, then use the cable shaping form in the handle to squash it back 
round before fitting the housing cap.

In both cases I almost never have to chase the center to provide clearance 
for the cable; in the cases where the cable hangs up on the end it's 
because it's been caught on a piece of the plastic liner and pushing the 
cable through clears that obstruction for good  (and I use brifters on all 
of my non-fixies, so I'd notice it if there was something obstructing cable 
movement.)

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Bill in Roswell GA]

FWIW, master mechanics I know use the best cutters available (Park Pro and 
Felco in equal numbers)  and still use a dental pick to round out the 
housing ends. 

I have a Dremel and love using it for many jobs. But too much time is 
wasted pulling it out, attaching the cutting wheel, plugging it in and then 
putting it all way when I can cut housing in less than 30 seconds with good 
Park cutters (the CN-10) and a dental pick. The CN-10 can be found for 
under $30 if you do a bit of search or use a coupon. You'll never regret 
spending the money for quality tools! 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA who owns a lot of cheap tools, but the tools I use the 
most are quality tools because it's not worth the repeated frustration of 
using cheap tools!

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:10:01 PM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> I've been using a cheapo tool to cut cables and housing forever, but it's 
> always a clunky process that results in frayed cables and/or frustration. I 
> hate cutting housing so much that I just left my housing way too long when 
> I recently changed my shifters.
>
> Just did a quick search to see what's out there and it looks like $20-40 
> bucks for something specific to bikes for cutting cable/housing. Does 
> anyone have experiences they'd like to share? Do I want a bike specific 
> cable cutter or can I get a generic hardware store version? Is it worth it 
> to spend the extra few $$ on this tool or do they all work the same? 
>
> If Riv sold one, I'd just buy that version.
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[blakcloud]

For cables I use Hozan or Park, they both work well. For housing I use a 
Dremel with a cut off wheel. 

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Brett Callahan]

Hi Tim,

I use two cheapo tools I bought on Amazon. I'll try to link to them below, 
but here's what I've learned: spend a few bucks more. Pedro's tools makes a 
cable cutter that's widely available for $25 or so that I'm sure is better. 
My cable cutter works okay, but has started dulling after one bike's worth 
of cable cutting. The 'wire nipper' struggles to cut the steel inner of 
Jagwire brake cable housing. If you want 'just good enough', you can get by 
with these, but I'll be upgrading in the future. 

Sunyou cable cutter 


Wire Nipper 

 

Cheers,

Brett, also in Portland. 

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:10:01 PM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> I've been using a cheapo tool to cut cables and housing forever, but it's 
> always a clunky process that results in frayed cables and/or frustration. I 
> hate cutting housing so much that I just left my housing way too long when 
> I recently changed my shifters.
>
> Just did a quick search to see what's out there and it looks like $20-40 
> bucks for something specific to bikes for cutting cable/housing. Does 
> anyone have experiences they'd like to share? Do I want a bike specific 
> cable cutter or can I get a generic hardware store version? Is it worth it 
> to spend the extra few $$ on this tool or do they all work the same? 
>
> If Riv sold one, I'd just buy that version.
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Lee Legrand]

Hi Joe,

I recommend getting separate cutters for both housing and cables. Get a
rotary tool for cutting the housing and a good cable cutter for cables.
Using a typical cable cutter closes the metal casing of the housing and
does not leave a square edge.  In addition, you will need a awl to reopen
the housing hole to allow cables to run thru and metal file to get a square
edge. Get a good quality cable cutter that last to cut the cables and you
should be good.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I've heard this phrase, "side cutter", for years. What does it look like?
>
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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

I've heard this phrase, "side cutter", for years. What does it look like?

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Belopsky]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00125KG9C/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Broccoli Cog]

I just replaced a pair of Park CN-10's with a new pair. Mine had become dull 
from cutting a multitude of other things from cables to zipties. FWIW In order 
to improve  longevity my LBS recommended using the CN-10 for housing only and 
have a quality side cutter on hand for cables. I would avoid using them, like I 
did, for many things. 

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Conway Bennett]

Get the expensive Shimano one.  

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

I've had the Park for ages, and my recent Pedro's kit purchase has a cutter. 
Bike shops use separate tools for housing and inner wire, but I use one cutter 
for both. The trick when cutting housing is to put a piece of scrap wire in the 
end to keep the hole round and cut. Then grab a flat file to smooth it out a 
bit. An added benefit on the Park tool is it has a squisher for 
shifter/brake-wire end caps. 

Spend the money, get the tool. You'll be shocked at how much of a difference it 
makes. 

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

[Bill Lindsay]

Park CN-10 and Felco C-3 are classic choices, and should last any home 
mechanic multiple lifetimes. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:10:01 PM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) wrote:
>
> I've been using a cheapo tool to cut cables and housing forever, but it's 
> always a clunky process that results in frayed cables and/or frustration. I 
> hate cutting housing so much that I just left my housing way too long when 
> I recently changed my shifters.
>
> Just did a quick search to see what's out there and it looks like $20-40 
> bucks for something specific to bikes for cutting cable/housing. Does 
> anyone have experiences they'd like to share? Do I want a bike specific 
> cable cutter or can I get a generic hardware store version? Is it worth it 
> to spend the extra few $$ on this tool or do they all work the same? 
>
> If Riv sold one, I'd just buy that version.
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
>
>

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