Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['timothy petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well said. 

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> On Mar 17, 2019, at 7:33 AM, Garth  wrote:
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>   The perfect cup o' coffee is the one in hand  ... 
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>   In hand is where Home is . Home is where the Heart is  and the 
> Heart is where Love is  and Love is where Everything is Love .   With 
> Love Everything , Everywhere and Everyone is the finest.
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>   Three cheers for Love and Love is the finest cup of All !  
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Garth]

  The perfect cup o' coffee is the one in hand  ... 
  

  In hand is where Home is . Home is where the Heart is  and the 
Heart is where Love is  and Love is where Everything is Love .   With 
Love Everything , Everywhere and Everyone is the finest.


  Three cheers for Love and Love is the finest cup of All !  

  Bon Appetit Everyone !  
 
   

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['islaysteve' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Greetings Patrick and everyone, I'm not as much of a coffee enthusiast as 
many here, but I'll offer my experiences and observations for what they're 
worth.  
Grinders:  I've been using a Krups $50-$60 burr grinder for many years.  
Got the original one from Bloomingdales, that one was replaced under 
warranty several years into service and the current one is still going 
strong.  The upper burr is replaceable for a reasonable price.  I like it 
that I can start the grind, then leave it on the counter to change filters, 
pour water, etc.  Now I know it's not good for super fine grinding, for 
espresso.  That's fine with me.  Those grinders seem to cost many times as 
more.  When i thought mine was on the blink a while back (it wasn't), I 
found a similar one at Target for about $30.  Not sure what the differences 
were between my old one and this new generation.
Storing:  I usually buy 2 lb. bags of beans at Costco or Safeway.  I put 
about a pound's worth, blended, into a semi-airtight container on the 
counter and store the bags in the basement, rolled closed and rubber-banded 
(no freezing).  Seems to work fine and still make good coffee, Deacon's and 
others' comments on freshness duly noted.
Coffee making:  Water temp is important.  If this has already been brought 
up in the thread, I apologize.  I finally splurged and treated myself to a 
Technivorm drip coffee maker.  Had wanted one for years.  It brews to the 
proper temp, I believe around 205 degree F.  I also make pourovers for 
myself regularly, using a $3 Melitta cone holder.  (The Technivorm is fun 
to watch.)  Cheers and Happy St Patrick's Day to all, especially the 
Patricks!

 


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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Ron Mc]

Another nice thing about the Capresso burr grinder - cleaning is simple - I 
mostly use a drip machine with basket, and this the only fine-grind machine 
I've ever used that doesn't leave any residue in the bottom of my coffee 
mug.  

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 9:38:56 AM UTC-5, Rick Thompson wrote:
>
> I use a blade grinder same as you, 20 seconds is perfect fine grind. I 
> have a manual burr grinder for backup and camping, but to get the same 
> grind is a fair level of elbow grease.
>
> Fresh Peet's beans every week, no freezing.
>
> I used to use fairly expensive electric burr grinders (I remember one was 
> a Cuisinart). IMO these are much harder to clean than the simple blade 
> grinder. About every month I had to dis-assemble and clean out a sludge of 
> coffee oils and powder from the burrs and all passages.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Rick Thompson]

I use a blade grinder same as you, 20 seconds is perfect fine grind. I have 
a manual burr grinder for backup and camping, but to get the same grind is 
a fair level of elbow grease.

Fresh Peet's beans every week, no freezing.

I used to use fairly expensive electric burr grinders (I remember one was a 
Cuisinart). IMO these are much harder to clean than the simple blade 
grinder. About every month I had to dis-assemble and clean out a sludge of 
coffee oils and powder from the burrs and all passages.


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 10:40:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
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>
>
>
> **
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>
>
>
>
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> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second the Zassenhaus recommendation.  It should last longer than you 
which is quite a concept.  Tim

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 11:15:30 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> I use a vintage hand crank Zassenhaus. 
> I’ve used it daily for close to 15 years and it was probably 30 years old 
> when I bought it. 
>
> For comparison I also have an Olympia burr grinder which is a scaled down 
> commercial quality grinder. 
>
> I can give a dozen reasons to choose a manual grinder. 
>
> If you drink a lot of espresso it might be worth having a nice electric 
> grinder and if you have issues using both hands to stabilize and grind with 
> a manual grinder, you may also benefit from an electric grinder. 
>
> I’ll avoid the whole freezing beans issue. 
> I own a commercial coffee roaster and I’m wyyy into the “only drink 
> freshly roasted coffee” 
>
> Ray

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Adam Leibow]

i didnt read everyones replies so apologies if this has already been said: 
BODUM BISTRO - i recommended our office get this when they told me their 
price range, and it has been the office workhorse grinder for over a year 
with nothing to complain about really. it's only $60 i think. my gf and i 
have the baratza virtuoso at home & really like it but it's far more 
expensive. 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 10:40:33 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

The temperature gun has a laser, and it reads the temperature within a 
second. I use it to know when I'm about to hit the first crack, so I can 
crank up the heat and back off once I get a rolling crack. I try to roast 
light

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 10:29:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Interesting. How do you shake the roaster and hold the thermometer secure? 
> I’ve been surprised how consistant I get it just by sight (color, 
> dull/velvety/oily), sound (crack), smell, smoke volume, even feel of the 
> shake. Grin. Roasting by feel, kinda like riding by feel (instead of using 
> a computer to track mileage, speed, et al). This changes subtly as 
> humidity, temperature, and different batches of beans change, so there is a 
> bit of a range that adds adventure. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

I just hold the roaster still for a second. The temperature gun is laser, 
and it reads it within a second. I use it so I know when I'm about to hit 
the first crack, so I can crank up the heat. Then i back off the heat 
during the rolling crack.

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 10:29:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Interesting. How do you shake the roaster and hold the thermometer secure? 
> I’ve been surprised how consistant I get it just by sight (color, 
> dull/velvety/oily), sound (crack), smell, smoke volume, even feel of the 
> shake. Grin. Roasting by feel, kinda like riding by feel (instead of using 
> a computer to track mileage, speed, et al). This changes subtly as 
> humidity, temperature, and different batches of beans change, so there is a 
> bit of a range that adds adventure. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

With two purchases of heirloom quality goods, you can buy beans up to six 
months (though 2 is preferable) at a time at the same price for coffee beans as 
you pay now per pound (roughly $5-6 a pound before shipping), and have the 
best, smoothest, most remarkable coffee in the world (tied with the rest of us 
who do this. Grin.). The difference will likely astonish you. If you are asking 
questions about freezing or not freezing, you may as well experience the full 
answer, so at the very least you know what you are missing. Grin. Next time we 
are able to meet and ride, I’ll give you a taster. Grin.

1. Zen Roaster. I didn’t wax on about this roaster much above, but it is made 
by a multiple generational ceramic craft family in Japan and it shows. It is 
stunning ceramic. We bought a second one to have as a spare should something 
happen to the first, but it just shrugs off bumps and dings with our cast iron 
stove grill and other pots. Haven’t dropped it on the floor though, but 
wouldn’t be surprised if it shrugged that off too. It is the very definition of 
beausage, becoming a lustrious black inside from the bean roasting, and like a 
speckled egg on the outside from the chafe bits occationally flairing up on it. 
You’d likely spend 20 minutes total roasting once to twice a week to have fresh 
roasted beans daily. (best used between 4 hours and two weeks, though the sweet 
spot most people love is somewhere in the first week). 

2. Quality hand grinder. There is beauty in a well crafted human powered tool 
and in using it. It is a richer, fuller experience to feel the texture of the 
beans grind. Did you know you can feel the roast level by the bean grind?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

I knock my blade grinder all over the place and nope, I get fine coffee
grit over a 2 sq ft area; that's my problem. I'm intrigued by the "couple
of drops of water" trick and will try that; I guess you have to cut the
amount of water fine so that you don't end up with mud?

I understand the advice to buy small quantities of good quality beans from
purveyors who sell them fresh, and use them up quickly, but one advantage
of being in practice if not in principle car free (apart from rare out of
town trips I drive perhaps 800 miles per year, now that my daughter can
drive herself -- I just live a dull life) is that I tend to stock up on
essentials at Costco once very 6 or 8 weeks, which means bulk, like the 3
lb bag of San Francisco French Roast beans that I mentioned; and these
obviously must be frozen -- right?

Also, I very often drink tea (strong breakfast teas), which means that I
generally drink coffee at the equivalent of every other day, with a daily
ratio usually of 2 ~18 oz cups -- meaning that 3 lb bags last even longer.

At any rate, now I understand more clearly the variables and the options
and the benefits and deficits, so thanks again to all. Will continue to
ponder and, eventually, make a decision.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:52 PM Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> To cut the static you just knock the receiving cup a few times. Cabinet,
> counter or knuckle works
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Ray Varella]

I use a vintage hand crank Zassenhaus. 
I’ve used it daily for close to 15 years and it was probably 30 years old when 
I bought it. 

For comparison I also have an Olympia burr grinder which is a scaled down 
commercial quality grinder. 

I can give a dozen reasons to choose a manual grinder. 

If you drink a lot of espresso it might be worth having a nice electric grinder 
and if you have issues using both hands to stabilize and grind with a manual 
grinder, you may also benefit from an electric grinder. 

I’ll avoid the whole freezing beans issue. 
I own a commercial coffee roaster and I’m wyyy into the “only drink freshly 
roasted coffee”

Ray

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['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Interesting. How do you shake the roaster and hold the thermometer secure? I’ve 
been surprised how consistant I get it just by sight (color, 
dull/velvety/oily), sound (crack), smell, smoke volume, even feel of the shake. 
Grin. Roasting by feel, kinda like riding by feel (instead of using a computer 
to track mileage, speed, et al). This changes subtly as humidity, temperature, 
and different batches of beans change, so there is a bit of a range that adds 
adventure. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Solid suggestion Patrick. I have a Zen Roast myself. I couple mine with a 
temperature thermometer gun just to try to achieve as much consistency as 
possible.

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 6:00:20 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In case anyone is daft enough to want to try roasting your own, I 
> recommend the free way to test if you want to do it more than five times 
> (well, free except for buying green beans): a cast iron skillet or dutch 
> oven (high walls make for a bit more even roasting) on medium flame/heat, 
> stir constantly, remove some point after first crack stops and the beans 
> burn. Easy to scorch the beans this way though, so once you know you want 
> to roast regularly... 
>
> We love roasting in our Zen Roast. https://www.zenroast.co. I can roast 
> 3/4 cup (I know, I’m supposed to weigh the beans. Bah.) green beans to a 
> dark medium roast very evenly on medium flame in 12-15 minutes, which 
> yields one cup roasted coffee. I age it 24 hours to 7 days, with the sweet 
> spot we prefer at around 3 days, but that’s a pretty subtle difference when 
> using great beans and roaster. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

More data to process! (Weird machine metaphor, that!) I've been drinking
coffee since circa 1968*, but apparently there is a rabbit hole analogous
to that which appears to someone who has for years ridden his Electra
Townie when faced with the esoterica of planing, long chainstays, and super
supple tires. Not only a rabbit hole, apparently, but a money pit too.
Heck, I've been buying Costco's 3 lb bag of San Francisco French Roast for
$14.99 for years.

But thanks. It makes interesting reading. I may even act on some of it!

* This may explain my serious naïveté about coffee. 50 years ago we lived
outside of Nairobi in an area where everything was surrounded by
I-kid-you-not square miles of coffee plantations, unless it was virgin
forest. We'd sit down each morning to a full service family breakfast and
drink --- Taster's Choice freeze dried and Coffee Mate imported from the US
of A. And this in an area where not only the coffee but the dairy was grade
A+.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> --
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>
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> **
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

Ah - the slow grind eliminates the static build-up! That's my problem
I'll bet - too fast. I will bookmark this concept.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:51 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
> I've been through $50 Cuisinart burr grinders every 3 years for the past 9.
> This time I upgraded to a Capresso 565, which grinds Slow.
> The product comes in perfect uniform grains, no matter how tiny, and zero 
> dust.
> Even grind size eliminates bitterness, and best part is the uniform coarser 
> grind I can get is perfect for coffee-press brew.
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, Todd. Solid tools are always a pleasure, and always less expensive in the 
long run. Good to hear your Pharos is going strong after a decade. I think 
we’re three years into our Lido 2? However long they’ve been out is how long 
we’ve had ours. Grinds daily for a family of 6 and works like new. 

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Todd Ferguson]

Deacon- so cool to happen across the orphan espresso / Rivendell overlap here. 
I have been using an orphan espresso first generation Pharos grinder for over 
10 years. That coupled with a mid 1980s elektra micro casa e Leva manual 
espresso machine, bought from and restored by orphan, has been making a great 
cup for years.

Glad you like the like the lido and working the Pharos has been a great daily 
pleasure. 

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Ron Mc]

I've been through $50 Cuisinart burr grinders every 3 years for the past 
9.  
This time I upgraded to a Capresso 565, which grinds Slow.  
The product comes in perfect uniform grains, no matter how tiny, and zero 
dust.  
Even grind size eliminates bitterness, and best part is the uniform coarser 
grind I can get is perfect for coffee-press brew.  

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1, with the qualification that if you want to test if hand grinding is 
something you prefer, $25 entry fee is ten times less than the Lido 2. However, 
the grind and the grinding experience of the Lido is Rivendellian while the 
Hario or Porlex are Public or similar. Why grind instead of blade? Consistancy 
brews better, so all your gounds osmosize equally, neither under or over 
brewing. This gives easily noticable improvement to the flavor.

Phil said: “I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like 
the Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
manual grinders.”

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all -- some very interesting information to mull over with my next
cup of coffee.

I'll first try very slightly dampening the frozen beans before I pulverize
with my blade grinder, but I am very tempted to try a Hario...

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
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> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Bill Lindsay]

+1

Actually +2

This is a case of the solution to your problem is to stop causing the 
problem in the first place. People who know how to store coffee recommend 
against freezing

http://www.ncausa.org/about-coffee/how-to-store-coffee

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 11:42:07 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Don’t freeze your beans. Buy them regularly, and keep them in the cupboard 
> in the roll top bag they came in.

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In case anyone is daft enough to want to try roasting your own, I recommend the 
free way to test if you want to do it more than five times (well, free except 
for buying green beans): a cast iron skillet or dutch oven (high walls make for 
a bit more even roasting) on medium flame/heat, stir constantly, remove some 
point after first crack stops and the beans burn. Easy to scorch the beans this 
way though, so once you know you want to roast regularly...

We love roasting in our Zen Roast. https://www.zenroast.co. I can roast 3/4 cup 
(I know, I’m supposed to weigh the beans. Bah.) green beans to a dark medium 
roast very evenly on medium flame in 12-15 minutes, which yields one cup 
roasted coffee. I age it 24 hours to 7 days, with the sweet spot we prefer at 
around 3 days, but that’s a pretty subtle difference when using great beans and 
roaster.

With abandon,
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[Justin, Oakland]

To cut the static you just knock the receiving cup a few times. Cabinet, 
counter or knuckle works 

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[sameness]

You can buy certified refurbished grinders direct from Baratza 
. 

I own a B-stock Virtuoso which sees about two pounds of coffee go through 
it every week. I make coffee about three different ways depending on my 
mood, and once you dial in the appropriate grinds in it's perfect.

It's been serviced by Baratza once in five years (I mucked up a seal while 
giving it a long-overdue cleaning), which set me back $64.50 including 
return shipping. With care it will outgrind us all.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[David Bivins]

I have the Bodum burr grinder because I found it on sale. It's not the
best, but it works. A couple drops of water on the beans before
grinding will cut the static. I have a cheap ceramic burr hand grinder
for when I travel.
Agreed with all here - buy fresh roasted (or roast yourself) and keep
it in its bag. Brew immediately after grinding. Don't freeze - there
is no benefit at all.
I cold brew my coffee using a large mason jar and an inexpensive metal
mesh filter. When I want to brew hot, which is rare these days, I use
an Aeropress.
My wife drinks tea, and one of those electric kettles has been
wonderful - she can get her precise temp for brewing green tea, and I
can get mine for the Aeropress.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:37 PM Justin, Oakland  wrote:
>
> I use a Vario, my wife uses a melita filter system for convenience. I had a 
> Kalita and enjoyed it but the availability of filters at the time (8-10 years 
> ago) was rough.
>
> Baratza grinders are serviceable and I recently replaced an adjustment ring 
> on mine that was broke. I’ve had the motor rebuilt before when it was 
> slipping.
>
> The Wacoco handpresso makes incredibly decent espresso for what it is.
>
> I’m going to try the Kinu hand grinders.
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Justin, Oakland]

I use a Vario, my wife uses a melita filter system for convenience. I had a 
Kalita and enjoyed it but the availability of filters at the time (8-10 years 
ago) was rough. 

Baratza grinders are serviceable and I recently replaced an adjustment ring on 
mine that was broke. I’ve had the motor rebuilt before when it was slipping. 

The Wacoco handpresso makes incredibly decent espresso for what it is. 

I’m going to try the Kinu hand grinders. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Also to answer your other topics of interest.

Storing:

I use amber mason jars. Nothing fancy really needed. Most coffee will last 
for quite some time. Like Patrick, I also roast small batches and consume 
them rather quickly between my wife and I

Brewing:

I really like the Hario V60. It gives a lot of control - small stream, slow 
pour will give a mild and rich cup, slight fast pour will give a brighter 
and acidic cup. Also allows you to experiment if you want. I usually go 
about 1:16 coffee water ratio. Usually 12g per 200g of water in. I've been 
digging the 4:6 method a lot lately. You can google the recipe.

Kalita Waves are also nice too. Very forgiving. I really like using it, if 
I don't have the time to pay attention to my pourover.

I would also suggest for pourovers to go medium to medium coarse grinds.

-Phil

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> If you're going to grind a lot of beans, then an Encore Baratza is your 
> best bet. You can buy refurbished ones from their website just under $100.
>
> I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like the 
> Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
> manual grinders. 
>
> I have a Kinu M47. There is no equal manual hand-held grinder I've tried. 
> It outclasses my Lido 3 and Aergrind. Easier grind adjustment, feels more 
> sturdy, easy to take apart and clean, awesome grind catch cup. It's my only 
> used grinder for the past few months. I make espresso, aeropress, to 
> pourover, and it handles well if not better than my electric Encore Sette 
> (which I've had to get parts replaced a couple of times). It's got a 47mm 
> burr which is bigger than Lidos, Commandantes, etc. I can grind 15g of 
> beans in probably 10-15 secs depending on the roast. It took about 20 secs 
> to grind the same amount on my Capresso electric grinder. Also took around 
> 30-35secs on my Hario and Porlex. 
>
> Kinu sells a cheaper and smaller Kinu M47 Traveler. It's a little over 
> $100 cheaper than its bigger brother, but keeps the same burr size at 47mm. 
>
>
> The Aergrind is a good manual grinder that is portable. Smaller burrs than 
> the Kinu, but it's also cheaper. I got mine for 80 pounds direct from 
> Knock's website. The quality is not as high as the Kinu, but it's cheaper. 
> I prefer it over my Lido because the grind adjustment is much easier.
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
>> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
>> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>
>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine 
>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>
>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste 
>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave 
>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>
>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>
>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>
>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>
>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>> Other professional writing services
>> Expensive! But good.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[phil k]

Hi Patrick,

If you're going to grind a lot of beans, then an Encore Baratza is your 
best bet. You can buy refurbished ones from their website just under $100.

I highly recommend staying away from any ceramic burr grinders like the 
Hario or Porlex. I've had both and they don't compare to more high end 
manual grinders. 

I have a Kinu M47. There is no equal manual hand-held grinder I've tried. 
It outclasses my Lido 3 and Aergrind. Easier grind adjustment, feels more 
sturdy, easy to take apart and clean, awesome grind catch cup. It's my only 
used grinder for the past few months. I make espresso, aeropress, to 
pourover, and it handles well if not better than my electric Encore Sette 
(which I've had to get parts replaced a couple of times). It's got a 47mm 
burr which is bigger than Lidos, Commandantes, etc. I can grind 15g of 
beans in probably 10-15 secs depending on the roast. It took about 20 secs 
to grind the same amount on my Capresso electric grinder. Also took around 
30-35secs on my Hario and Porlex. 

Kinu sells a cheaper and smaller Kinu M47 Traveler. It's a little over $100 
cheaper than its bigger brother, but keeps the same burr size at 47mm. 


The Aergrind is a good manual grinder that is portable. Smaller burrs than 
the Kinu, but it's also cheaper. I got mine for 80 pounds direct from 
Knock's website. The quality is not as high as the Kinu, but it's cheaper. 
I prefer it over my Lido because the grind adjustment is much easier.


Hope that helps

Phil


On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
> Other professional writing services
> Expensive! But good.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We love our Lido 2. It is easily set to grind everything from a course grind to 
espresso and everything between. Engineered and built to last a lifetime. 
http://www.oehandgrinders.com/OE-LIDO-2-Manual-Coffee-Grinder_p_14.html

I can’t speak to how to store coffee as I roast our and we brew it within the 
week. So my advice is use fresh roasted coffee (buying it from a local roaster 
or self-roasting). There is an amazing difference between the fresheness and 
richness because the oils et al are still present. I highly recommend using 
fresh roasted beans for the best coffee.

We get our organic green beans from Dean’s Beans and are partial to Colombian 
and Guatamalan. 
https://deansbeans.com/our-products/roasted-coffees/green-unroasted-coffee-beans.html

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Sean B.]

I keep a hand crank on hand for emergencies. This is the one I use: 
https://www.amazon.com/JavaPresse-Grinder-Conical-Brushed-Stainless/dp/B013R3Q7B2/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_79_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=8CRZM5VX6DXTT22K7ZB3

They're mostly ceramic, so not as sturdy as steel. It will take about 5 
mins to grind the beans. I only use a Chemex or French Press so it's easier 
to achieve the grind needed. Turkish might not be great as even the entry 
level steel grinders have problems giving fine espresso/turkish grinds. 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 1:01:18 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, Sean. That looks inviting, but it's quite a bit larger than I need 
> (or that would be easy to store in my small coffee/tea cabinet). Is there a 
> conical burr grinder that is smaller and suitable for no more than 3 cups 
> of coffee, which I gather means about 1-2 oz of grounds?
>
> Does anyone have experience with the hand-cranked Hario grinders? How long 
> does it take, and can you get the grounds Turkish fine?
>
> A burr grinder would probably give me better results with my press, too ...
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:53 AM Sean B. > 
> wrote:
>
>> Conical burr grinders are your friend.
>>
>> This is the one I use daily: 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9
>>
>> Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in 
>> small batches and grind right before brewing.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I 
>>> prefer (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- 
>>> this seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>>
>>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine 
>>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
>>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
>>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
>>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>>
>>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste 
>>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave 
>>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>>
>>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>>
>>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
>>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>>
>>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
>>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>>
>>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
>>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>>> ---
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Sean. That looks inviting, but it's quite a bit larger than I need
(or that would be easy to store in my small coffee/tea cabinet). Is there a
conical burr grinder that is smaller and suitable for no more than 3 cups
of coffee, which I gather means about 1-2 oz of grounds?

Does anyone have experience with the hand-cranked Hario grinders? How long
does it take, and can you get the grounds Turkish fine?

A burr grinder would probably give me better results with my press, too ...


On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:53 AM Sean B.  wrote:

> Conical burr grinders are your friend.
>
> This is the one I use daily:
> https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9
>
> Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in small
> batches and grind right before brewing.
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer
>> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this
>> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>>
>> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine
>> meal seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from
>> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding
>> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like
>> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>>
>> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste
>> from a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave
>> a mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>>
>> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>>
>> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr
>> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>>
>> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
>> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>>
>> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing
>> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>> Other professional writing services
>> Expensive! But good.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Sean B.]

Conical burr grinders are your friend.

This is the one I use daily: 
https://www.amazon.com/Baratza-Encore-Conical-Coffee-Grinder/dp/B007F183LK/ref=zg_bs_14092821_4/140-2207164-7992160?_encoding=UTF8=1=A2DM02FNTSFEYG6CE5R9

Also, I would never suggest buying in bulk or freezing. Buy fresh in small 
batches and grind right before brewing.

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Newby questions. I buy beans in bulk, freeze, and grind at need. I prefer 
> (convenience, results) a Melita filter, and thus grind very fine -- this 
> seems (experience) to give best flavor.
>
> Now: I use a blade grinder. After 20 seconds, the resulting very fine meal 
> seems quite uniform (an I don't notice any degradation in flavor from 
> heating -- the stuff doesn't get hot, just very mildly warm). BUT: grinding 
> beans straight from the freezer leaves the meal hard to handle: it' like 
> staticky fine long hair; it goes everywhere and makes a mess.
>
> So my question comes down to this: I'm perfectly happy with the taste from 
> a blade grinder and Melita, but I'd like a grinder that doesn't leave a 
> mess when grinding frozen beans very fine.
>
> Would a burr grinder help in this regard?
>
> I see electric burr grinders for sub $50, and I see Hario crank burr 
> grinders for the same price. Which are better, and why?
>
> This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios 
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
> Lastly: Open to general comments about storing, grinding, and brewing 
> coffee, but I am happy with my routine except for the mess described.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking his coffee strong and black in Lenten ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And 
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the 
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
> Other professional writing services
> Expensive! But good.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee grinders -- I **know** that this is NOT off topic!

[Patrick Moore]

https://prima-coffee.com/learn/article/grinder-basics/burr-grinder-basics/31830

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 11:40 AM Patrick Moore 
wrote:...

This place says no burr grinder under $100 is any good (I take it Harios
> are exceptions to this rule). Is this rule right?
>
>

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