I can't believe Cyclofiend hasn't shut this thread down yet.
For all practical purposes, Grant Peterson is Rivendell Bicycle Works. The
thread is for fans of RBW to discuss things RBW.
Grant Peterson wrote a book and has given interviews where he expressed
problems not so much on the
On Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:51:12 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
I can't believe Cyclofiend hasn't shut this thread down yet.
For all practical purposes, Grant Peterson is Rivendell Bicycle Works.
The thread is for fans of RBW to discuss things RBW.
Grant Peterson wrote a book and
Please understand, it's not an opinion, it's a basis for a real life
discussion, unlike those folks in D.C. seem able to do.
And you already live in that country. I don't have any wealth, but
I'd like to think that if I were fortunate enough to feel comfortable
that the result of the necessary
And have you noticed how kids always just buckle up when they get in
car? Pretty cool.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Toshi Takeuchi tto...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a new breed of cyclists growing up, at least in my household.
As you may know, CA requires people under 18 to wear a helmet. My
On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Mike wrote:
I can't believe Cyclofiend hasn't shut this thread down yet.
ahhh you see what happens when I'm away from the stream for a day
or two (pesky all-day gigs.) Helmet Threads... yikes.
As they say in the pubs, TIME Gentlemen. Please!
Set 'em
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 AM, Matthew J wrote:
I can't believe Cyclofiend hasn't shut this thread down yet.
For all practical purposes, Grant Peterson is Rivendell Bicycle
Works. The thread is for fans of RBW to discuss things RBW.
Grant Peterson wrote a book and has given interviews
Yes, I agree, and I imagine my kids will always wear helmets when
skiing too because they always do so now in their lessons...
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:12 AM, robert zeidler
zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
And have you noticed how kids always just buckle up when they get in
car? Pretty cool.
I listened to the piece and thought it was alright. It wasn't long enough
though, and I thought the book had a lot more in it that wasn't touched on
during the interview.
This was brought up but I thought didn't get enough time: A lot of people
thing Grant is anti-racing, which from what I
Except that collar bones, broken arms, road rash and what all won't kill
you and won't destroy your personality the way a brain injury can.
Must not read the NYTimes. As a story gripping NY recently demonstrates, a
broken bone that perforates the skin, followed by septic shock, and you die
No way am I going to enter the helmet wars. I do want to say that one of
the reasons that I follow this group is that its most
regular contributors are collegial. Civil discourse is rare these days and
it is good to read your collective thoughtful opinions. Today's Yehuda Moon
is remarkably
I must say that, following a couple of injuries, I have wondered why
there's no promotion of knee, wrist and other joint protective gear.
Joe
On Jul 24, 10:08 pm, Robert Barr rcba...@gmail.com wrote:
No way am I going to enter the helmet wars. I do want to say that one of
the reasons that I
A long time ago me and my brother used to ride single track and would wear
knee and elbow pads but for just around town riding in think it would just
be too much.
On Jul 25, 2012 11:23 AM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote:
I must say that, following a couple of injuries, I have wondered why
there's
I'm sure it's been thought of. Coming up with body armor light and flexible
enough to be rideable in without rendering it useless as armor would be a
tough project.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:23:13 AM UTC-7, Joe K wrote:
I must say that, following a couple of
As a hard core Libertarian I totally agree with this view. The
question that comes up, and this is why I choose to wear a helmet, is,
what if the rider has a fall, sustains a head injury, but knowing this
might happen, chose to go without?
What responsibility does that person bear for his/her
I don't usually talk politics or religion with casual acquaintances since
it can turn into a huge hornets nest but I am proud to live in a county
where we look out for each other, whether the person is fat, or stupid or
elderly or foreign. I don't want to be in a county where some bureaucracy
There's a new breed of cyclists growing up, at least in my household.
As you may know, CA requires people under 18 to wear a helmet. My kids
therefore, always wear a helmet, and one day I picked him up from
school on the triplet, but forgot to bring his helmet. He refused to
ride without the
No way am I going to enter the helmet wars.
To be clear, I don't mean for any of my posts to argue yea or nay on the
helmet debate. Rather, my argument is Grant has a point when he says for
better or worse many cyclists in the U.S. now believe helmets are as
necessary for cycling as a
I think the key point here is that it is, and should be an individual
choice. I am definitely in the psychological mindset camp of those who
feel safer when I'm wearing protective clothes. I feel this mainly when
I'm on my motorcycle and one day choose the half helmet because it's nice
out and
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 15:12 -0700, Brian Hanson wrote:
I don't appreciate those who tell us that we are stupid to not wear a
helmet.
No more than I appreciate those who tell us we are stupid to wear one.
I am really tired of this.
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As someone who works in an ER, if you're not gonna wear a helmet, make
sure you have a DNR in your medical file if that's your wish. It'll
save everyone a lot of trouble and stress.
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On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 16:19 -0700, Mike wrote:
As someone who works in an ER, if you're not gonna wear a helmet, make
sure you have a DNR in your medical file if that's your wish. It'll
save everyone a lot of trouble and stress.
Maybe it might be more accurate to suggest that /all/ riders,
If the best you can do is not resist the upstroke while spinning on a
descent, how can you possibly pull up while climbing a hill?
On Jul 24, 10:24 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
When I climb those steep hills, I am very aware of pulling up quite
hard to gain extra torque,
I think Peter White's dictum for his group would be the best protocol
to follow, something along the lines of: Unless you are sure you're
contributing something to the helmet debate that has never been
thought of before, keep it off the list.
On Jul 24, 10:08 pm, Robert Barr rcba...@gmail.com
Maybe it might be more accurate to suggest that /all/ riders, regardless
of whether they wear helmets or no, have DNRs in their medical files.
The trouble and stress don't just exist re: the helmetless.
I can't believe Cyclofiend hasn't shut this thread down yet.
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It is quite strange how even with high-tech safety devices in a 1-2
ton protective steel cage there are still ~45,000 highway deaths a
year and nobody scolds anybody in the US of A about the much greater
risk of dying/getting maimed in a car crash. In a perfect world, more
people would ride and
Try it. Use clipless. Report.
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Mike On A Bike shaljia...@guilford.edu wrote:
If the best you can do is not resist the upstroke while spinning on a
descent, how can you possibly pull up while climbing a hill?
On Jul 24, 10:24 am, PATRICK MOORE
Rocked SPD's for a little bit on my fixie a few years ago and hated
them, especially on longer rides. The inability to change position of
the foot is a deal breaker in and of itself and I didn't experience
any discernible increase in power. It brings to mind a Sheldon Brown
line (re: touring on a
It's nice that the book is getting some exposure and being discussed.
Hopefully the people who are taking its message to heart are too busy
having fun riding their bike to chime in via the web.
As for NYC... I love visiting but have no desire to ride my bike there.
I've spent a fair amount of
When I climb those steep hills, I am very aware of pulling up quite
hard to gain extra torque, something I can't do as well with clips and
straps. I can feel the bike accelerate when pulling hard.
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
When I rode fixie
Maybe it's an individual thing, I always found myself stomping on them to
get more power. Now I just sit in super low gear and if it's that steep
take a nice walk, my knees go snap crackle and pop in the morning as it is,
haha.
On Jul 24, 2012 10:25 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The choice to wear a helmet is entirely up to the individual and I
don't wish to start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet discussion. I do,
however, find that my current preference is in favor of wearing a
helmet.
I also don't agree with Grant that wearing a helmet necessarily
promotes a riskier still of
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 12:47 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
I also don't agree with Grant that wearing a helmet necessarily
promotes a riskier still of riding. I've ridden both without a helmet
and with a helmet, and I don't believe that my riding style changes
one iota.
Were the safety equipment
I think that what Grant is driving at is that while seatbelts and other
safety improvements have gone a long way to save lives helmet technology
simply has not advanced that far and is being applied as a panacea to tell
people they are safer when in fact they are probably not.
I think that what Grant is driving at is that while seatbelts and other
safety improvements have gone a long way to save lives (in cars,
sorry) helmet technology simply has not advanced that far and is being
applied as a panacea to tell people they are safer when in fact they are
probably not.
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On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 12:47 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
I also don't agree with Grant that wearing a helmet necessarily
promotes a riskier still of riding. I've ridden both without a helmet
and with a helmet, and I don't believe that my riding style
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 13:26 -0700, Norman Bone wrote:
Hi Steve-
Have you read this?:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/Presence-of-Mind-Buckle-Up-And-Behave.html
I'm with Anne McCartt. As I said, I was there. I know how people drove
then and I know how people drive now.
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 16:09 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
I think that what Grant is driving at is that while seatbelts and
other safety improvements have gone a long way to save lives (in cars,
sorry) helmet technology simply has not advanced that far and is being
applied as a panacea to tell
I have also crashed and thought the helmet stopped me from being hurt worse
than I could have been but studies have shown that is just how we feel,
which is not always accurate to what is actually going on. The evidence is
pretty substantial that putting and inch of foam between your head and the
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 17:49 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
I have also crashed and thought the helmet stopped me from being hurt
worse than I could have been but studies have shown that is just how
we feel, which is not always accurate to what is actually going on.
The evidence is pretty
Oh, I agree, i am one of the better safe than sorry worry warts who makes
sure he has his keys twice before he locks the door behind him. I do think
that helmets can prevent injury but I just dont know if they can save your
life in a situation where you would otherwise be killed.
On Tue, Jul 24,
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 18:35 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
Oh, I agree, i am one of the better safe than sorry worry warts who
makes sure he has his keys twice before he locks the door behind him.
I do think that helmets can prevent injury but I just dont know if
they can save your life in a
I don't consider it a matter of life and death; rather, going home sore, or
going home with a concussion. A helmet isn't gonna do you much good in a
collision with a car, but most riders have at one time or another had some
sort of solo crash. A popped tire, a slide on oil, front wheel caught
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 16:16 -0700, Joe Bernard wrote:
I don't consider it a matter of life and death; rather, going home
sore, or going home with a concussion. A helmet isn't gonna do you
much good in a collision with a car, but most riders have at one time
or another had some sort of solo
Thing is, more solo bike accidents conclude with busted knees, collar
bones, arms, road rash than concussions or skull fractures.
The shoulder, knee and elbow pads football players wear would certainly
have made a difference in these situations. None the less, day in and day
out I see
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 17:52 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
Thing is, more solo bike accidents conclude with busted knees, collar
bones, arms, road rash than concussions or skull fractures.
Except that collar bones, broken arms, road rash and what all won't kill
you and won't destroy your personality
*Except that collar bones, broken arms, road rash and what all won't kill
you and won't destroy your personality the way a brain injury can.*
Pre. Cisely.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:56:08 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 17:52 -0700, Matthew J
With broken collarbones it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of
when...
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Curious. I think track racers were much slower than road racers to
adopt clipless systems. When I went to the velodrome (several years
ago but long after clipless became dominant on road bikes) the only
folks using clipless were the ones using their road bike pedals on the
rental bikes. Virtually
Wow, I didn't know he was on; I would have listened. I like Brian
Lehrer's show; intelligent guy who has good topics and interesting
guests.
Not sure I agree with Peter M about NYers being a$$holes. Of course
such folks live here. There are lots of good, interesting, and really
smart people
Alot of people stop me here too, track star wanna bes cutting me off in the
bike lane, delivery guys going the wrong way with thier headphones on, kids
on bmx bikes weaving in and out of traffic smoking weed, idiots in SUVs who
try to crush me into double parked cars, all kinds of nice stops!
Fun to listen to! Upon reading the comments - its just amazing how
brainwashed most people who ride a bike appear: helmets, weight, clip-in,
blinking... there seems to be no option for any alternative. I do all of
these at some times (although *never* a blinking light), but certainly not
all
Great job Grant..in such a limited format.don't let some of doz
guyz get ya down. Controversy always gets attention. Its just too bad many
still believe the common misconceptions you often speak of. I used to think
many of things you speak about were necessary (clipless pedals,
I'm in full support of not riding with a helmet if that's what you choose,
but stories from old guys who made it through their youths without them are
easy to come by from the ones who actually made it, 'cause, ya know, we
made it! I crashed a goodly number of times on my old Stingrays and
My favorite comment of all was
Mike In Bklyn from Brooklyn
Boy there was a lot of misleading info in this segment.
On clips and pulling up on the pedals-- anyone who tries to pedal a bike
out of the saddle comes quickly to appreciate clips. And I don't know what
kind of riding this quy has
Actually, foot retention does help when grinding a fixed 70 -- 75 gear up a
steep hill. You can't do it for long -- half a mile, say -- but it certainly
helps. One reason I went back to clipless was that I kept pulling my feet out
of the straps when climbing
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Jul 23,
When I rode fixie for a long time I used the clipless system because I knew
my foot wasnt going to come off down a descent and stick my leg into an MKS
eggbeater. I always found that when climbing though clipless seemed like
they limited how much i could stand up and just hammer on the pedals. I
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