[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Surlyprof]

I love how much great feedback we receive from this group.  Those POC 
helmets are really nice.  I saw someone had one on the train and it was a 
great design.  I also liked the Bell Zepher and Giro Aspect helmets, too.   
Almost pulled the trigger on one of those but, alas, going from free to 
$150-300 was a little hard for me to grasp this time around (and, I 
probably would have needed to wear it when letting my wife know how much it 
cost).  Bell's designs are very nice but looked huge on me.  Giro, as 
usual, were a nice comfortable fit.  As Will said, they often go on sale. 
 One of my favorite helmets in the past was a Giro Hex.  Tried them this 
time and ended up going with a Giro Xar in hi-vis yellow/green.  Typical 
basic zoomy-looking helmet but it was very comfortable and under $50 on 
sale.  Guess I'll have another 5-10 years to work up to a POC or Zepher.  I 
also like supporting Bell and Giro since several of my past students design 
for them (Specialized, too).  

Also, I tried washing that grungy Specialized in the dishwasher.  Still 
pretty grungy but I think the dirt and grime is now sanitized.  Keeping it 
around as a loaner and back up.  

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.  
John

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Giro Aspect and Reverb. I have both. Two of my all time favorites

Claytonious Q

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Max]

The advice given by someone earlier regarding smooth helmets is a good one 
– the fewer protrusions to snag on the ground in event of a fall, the 
better. Pay attention also to the back of the helmet in particular, as a 
would-be head injury is mitigated, it can turn into a neck injury if the 
back of the helmet snags... So, even the Giro Synthe – smooth everywhere 
except the back. 

Some folks I know say that Kask Protone (this 
)
 
is the most comfortable helmet they've tried... Maybe if it goes on sale 
it'll be a bit less comfortable, but there it is. :-) 

- M


On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Kellie]

I like both of the helmets which of the two is first choice for you?

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 11:03:32 AM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> I have a Giro Aspect and Giro Reverb - the former looks to have an 
> exorbitant list price of $175 but I'm positive I didn't pay that much, my 
> recollection is that my price was similar to the price of the Reverb, which 
> was $60. 
>
> I like these helmets because they don't have a super-racy profile, they 
> fit my medium-large head nicely, and they have a detachable soft brim that 
> looks like you have a short brim cycling cap on underneath. I can't wear 
> those caps for most of the year - too hot, but I appreciate the brim for 
> the bit of shade it gives my eyes. The Reverb is ventilated, but not too 
> much, so it's more of my winter helmet now, while the Aspect has a bit more 
> ventilation. 
>
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2] 
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote:
>
>> my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like 
>> it except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies...
>>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Chris Halasz]

A function I like not mentioned much here is for a helmet that does not make 
the hair on your head too strange after its removal. 

The three bands of styrofoam with thin foam padding that run from forehead to 
crown, common on many large vent racer type helmets, make my hair look really 
strange really quickly. 

The Giro Sutton distorts my hair the least of many models I've tried. 

It also provides plenty of protection from the sun. 

I use the Sutton year-round in Tucson. 

Cheers, 

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[stoker]

I have been delighted with my POC Octal. Great fit for my large head, excellent 
cooling vents. Sort of a love it or hate it aesthetic...

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Chad]

I bought a Lazer Blade last year and love it.  Not sure about safety, but 
it has great reviews and is pretty affordable.

http://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/category/helmets-and-protection/helmet-standard/product/review-lazer-blade-15-49712/

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John Stowe]

Since I don't see it mentioned above: I have been happy with my Giro Sutton 
MIPS. Fits my large/long head (61cm) just fine, doesn't look like a 
spaceship, soft visor, pretty light, good coverage in the back and a 
complete hard shell means no exposed foam when hanging from a bag and 
bumping into walls/train seats/etc. I managed to snag one off of Sierra 
Trading Post at the end of last year for cheap, less than half price. I 
don't know how much the MIPS accomplishes, but like others said: it might 
help, certainly won't hurt, and doesn't cost much, so why not.

I also have a Giro Atmos hanging in the shed, rarely used unless I know I'm 
going on a long hot ride and want the ventilation. It's a crash replacement 
for a previous Atmos I was wearing when I got knocked down by a U-turning 
taxi (DC riders: yes, I was in the Penn Ave. bike lane). I didn't hit my 
head very hard, but enough to dent the foam and separate the shell. Riv 
content: the insurance payout funded my Sam! So I guess getting hit turned 
out to be good for my cycling life, in the end...

-John


On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Mark R.]

I lurk and seldom post here, but there is some interesting content and I would 
like to weigh in.  I use Bell helmets, for some reason they fit my head best.  

In 2002 I was in a bike lane @ about 18 to 20 mph, and there was a six foot 
wide by six foot deep ditch the width of the lane.  The crew fixing the pipes 
underground failed to put a steel plate over it.  The woman in front of me 
(about 50 yards) crashed, broke her ribs, arm, collarbone, punctured her lung 
and it collapsed.  Her head was fine. Due to her helmet.  

My front wheel went into goes into the ditch.  It was an abyss and my bike 
disappears.  I have over 40 years experience in the martial arts, with lots of 
training in taking falls. I rolled, instinctively  , broke fall , stood, the 
pain that ripped through my body was so intense I fell to the ground.  Another 
rider pulled me to the side of the bike lane and got my bike. He thought my 
roll was cool (LOL), my fork was bent, downtube bent,wheel was true. Riv 
content: I was on my Lemond that day, Riv was spared.
My helmet looked ok, the plastic was lightly cracked. The foam inside had deep 
cracks. And it was a glancing blow from my roll.

Moral of the story: even with all my training for falls, more than most humans 
on Earth, I am glad I was wearing my helmet.
I rode the bent bike home (steel rules).

Mark Rosenberg 
Www.youtube.com/howtostretch
SDCA

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[LLM]

I recently bought a Bontrager Starvos MIPS helmet from my LBS along with an 
optional visor insert (attempting to reaffirm my loyalty after buying a 
bike and lots of gear from Riv!).  The helmet is comfortable, seems 
well-enough ventilated and has grooves along its surface that help hold my 
Safe Zone helmet mirror in position.  I chose safety yellow with reflective 
black accents.  I do most of my riding in city traffic and frequently after 
dark, so the extra visibility is a plus. Price point was just under $100.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> Thought I'd throw this one in here, looks alright in the photo shoot. . .  
>


http://theradavist.com/2016/09/bells-new-zephyr-helmet/ 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Scott Henry]

My problem with helmets is that I have a w-i-d-e head.   I measure out to 7
1/2 or 7 3/4 for a ball cap, so I guess big and wide, not a good combo.   I
feel sorry for Mom, I guess Dad too.

Helmets tend to fit but push into the sides of my head and end up giving
headaches.   So rarely do I wear them.When required at events I usually
end up in a hairnet.   Most organizers don't specify the TYPE of helmet
that is required, only that a helmet must be worn.

I don't have the actual name of the helmet, but I did find one of the Bell
helmets that fit comfortably.   To bad it was the race helmet with the
integrated faceshield, I looked like one of the Spaceballs guys.
Scott

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:08 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> I have a Bell Citi helmet in loud yellow with a visor. I like the visor
> because I use it to attach my "Take a Look" mirror, which I've really come
> to depend on after getting used to it. (Yes, it took me quite a while to
> get used to a rear view mirror sticking off the end of my helmet.)
>
> However, a problem with the helmet, at least for my head: when riding at
> speed (say down a long descent), the back of my head, near the ears, begins
> to hurt. I think this is caused by wind getting under the visor and thus
> shifting the helmet ever so slightly on my head, but I can't be sure. Which
> makes me want to take the visor off. But then I loose my mirror. (I have
> tried the mirror on glasses and don't like it nearly as much as helmet
> mounted.)
>
> Does anyone else have this problem with their helmet?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me
>> several years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and
>> probably needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on
>> helmets in the past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new
>> helmet.  As I started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets
>> I'd never seen; (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and;
>> (3) some of the prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try
>> to ping on friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so
>> often, I may actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not
>> looking to start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights
>> from those who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd
>> love to hear everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was
>> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.
>>
>> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding
>> -bike-helmet.html
>>
>> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>>
>> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Folda
>> ble-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CI
>> C3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>>
>> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs
>> 8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-
>> Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>>
>> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>>
>>
>>
>> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John Bokman]

I have a Bell Citi helmet in loud yellow with a visor. I like the visor 
because I use it to attach my "Take a Look" mirror, which I've really come 
to depend on after getting used to it. (Yes, it took me quite a while to 
get used to a rear view mirror sticking off the end of my helmet.)

However, a problem with the helmet, at least for my head: when riding at 
speed (say down a long descent), the back of my head, near the ears, begins 
to hurt. I think this is caused by wind getting under the visor and thus 
shifting the helmet ever so slightly on my head, but I can't be sure. Which 
makes me want to take the visor off. But then I loose my mirror. (I have 
tried the mirror on glasses and don't like it nearly as much as helmet 
mounted.)

Does anyone else have this problem with their helmet?

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 9:06:41 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a Giro Aspect and Giro Reverb - the former looks to have an
exorbitant list price of $175 but I'm positive I didn't pay that much, my
recollection is that my price was similar to the price of the Reverb, which
was $60.

I like these helmets because they don't have a super-racy profile, they fit
my medium-large head nicely, and they have a detachable soft brim that
looks like you have a short brim cycling cap on underneath. I can't wear
those caps for most of the year - too hot, but I appreciate the brim for
the bit of shade it gives my eyes. The Reverb is ventilated, but not too
much, so it's more of my winter helmet now, while the Aspect has a bit more
ventilation.

[image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2]

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD


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> my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like
> it except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies...
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

my buddy just got one of the Giro's with the snap-in sunglasses - I like it 
except it doesn't have a bill or a mirror or blinkies...

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Philip Kim]

helmets are getting up in price. i have a giro savant which I like - light, 
and breathable. beats the heavy skate helmet i was wearing before.

I feel like price-wise you're paying for more breathability, aero, and less 
weight.

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[John]

My POC Octal AVIP MIPS helmet is the best ventilated helmet I've tried so 
far, that I really, really like.

  Deacon is not wrong, helmets won't stop the contrecoup brain injuries. 

But I would rather hit my head on a car or the road or a rock, or whatever, 
with a helmet on my head than to hit something without one.

I'm hoping the MIPS feature in my POC Octal AVIP MIPS helmet will provide 
some additional protection in a collision, and I hope the orange color 
helps make me more visible on the road.

If wearing a helmet does in fact cause some riders to ride more recklessly, 
well then, there's no helping some people. I know I don't ride around 
blowing through stoplights just because I'm wearing my helmet.

My wife treats people with traumatic brain injuries, and she says if you 
did what she does, you wouldn't ride without one. But I'm sure she herself 
is somewhat traumatized by seeing her patients.

Just my $0.02,

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

on my 20' toss, I landed on both gloves, my pants and the side/top of my 
helmet - I had the slightest road rash under my knickers.  

Maybe one day they'll have a realistic bike air bag, but until then it's 
just smart to use basic protective gear.  
And if you ride with your kids, you should be an example to them.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Surlyprof]

So true, Kai.  I was run off the road once and the frame caught a roadside 
sprinkler.  Went from 20mph to 0 real quick.  Sent me flying over handlebars.  
Somehow I managed to flip over, land on my back and slide down the hillside to 
a smooth stop.  Would have been injury free had I not hit a tree with my hip at 
the bottom (bruises only).  I credit years of falling off skateboards as a kid 
for the 9-ish point landing.  

Still getting a new helmet, though!

John

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Matt B.]

In the summer my favorite is the breeze. In colder months, a knit cap 
usually.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Kai Vierstra]

"I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the 
first place.  The problem is, you can't always.  And what then?"

Fall good?
Whatever the case, helmeted or not, know how to fall. There's no time to think 
about it, but if you find yourself about to hit something you weren't planning 
to, fall better. Nearly 40 years of falling on skateboards has taught my body 
something about self preservation, I rely on that "training" when I fall. 
Age 8 or 108, we could all benifit from more experience falling right. 

Gymnastics! Street dancing/parkour!
Crashing!
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

There was a huge article (many pages long) in Bicycling (ya, I know) that was 
the most in depth article I've seen about MIPS and gave a lot of the data 
gathered by the organization that has done the bulk of testing. MIPS is an 
attempt at a safety movement, not a marketing movement. I think it's amazing 
that most MIPS helmets are only $20 more than regular helmets. 

There are a number of articles of an objective nature online about MIPS if you 
care to do your own research and reach a conclusion. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/13/2016 05:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Dear Eric and Ron,

I am not saying what you think I'm saying.

I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of 
coup countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain 
injury and a lot to make people think they accomplish something [they 
do not]. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact."


Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some 
things but helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against 
brain damage because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a 
helmet or not. The greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding 
smart to avoid the accident in the first place -- and many many 
accidents can be avoided by this active safety awareness. Grant does a 
great job covering some of this in "Just Ride."




I don't think anyone is disputing the value of avoiding accidents in the 
first place.  The problem is, you can't always.  And what then?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Dear Eric and Ron,

I am not saying what you think I'm saying.

I said: "Until helmets can address the basic physics [and biology] of coup 
countrecoup ... helmets will do very little to mitigate brain injury and a 
lot to make people think they accomplish something [they do not]. To avoid 
brain injury, avoid the impact."

Point being: wear a helmet or not, they can protect against some things but 
helmets do not do very much if anything to protect against brain damage 
because coup countrecoup happens regardless of wearing a helmet or not. The 
greatest safety feature any cyclist has is riding smart to avoid the 
accident in the first place -- and many many accidents can be avoided by 
this active safety awareness. Grant does a great job covering some of this 
in "Just Ride."

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:08:14 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Deacon:
>
> Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
> world. 
>
> If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s 
> all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance 
> (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other 
> driver!), etc. etc.
>
> None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors 
> beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit 
> are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical 
> failures, bad pavement, etc. etc.  
>
> This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a 
> helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a 
> chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. 
>
> This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

Eric is correct - no protection is perfect, so no protection is even 
better?  The false sense of security thing is more hogwash.  

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Deacon:
>
> Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
> world. 
>
> If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s 
> all cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance 
> (avoid dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other 
> driver!), etc. etc.
>
> None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors 
> beyond our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit 
> are too numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical 
> failures, bad pavement, etc. etc.  
>
> This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a 
> helmet. I try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a 
> chance I won’t be able to avoid every mishap. 
>
> This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Eric Norris]

Deacon:

Sorry, but that’s a great sentiment that makes no sense at all in the real 
world. 

If we can just “avoid” all the bad things that might happen to us, let’s all 
cancel our health insurance (avoid getting sick!), our life insurance (avoid 
dying too soon!), our car insurance (avoid getting hit by any other driver!), 
etc. etc.

None of us are in total control of our lives. The multitude of factors beyond 
our control that could cause us to either hit something or be hit are too 
numerous to mention, but include inattentive drivers, mechanical failures, bad 
pavement, etc. etc.  

This is why most of us buy insurance, and it’s why I choose to wear a helmet. I 
try my best to avoid impacts, but I also know that there’s a chance I won’t be 
able to avoid every mishap. 

This is *my* choice, which I’m not trying to foist on anyone. 

--Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
www.CampyOnly.com
Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Sep 13, 2016, at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

A few well placed ads with car helmetry and I bet one out of every three 
dollars spent in the USA during that month would be for car helmets. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Functionally, much the same thing is accomplished with crumple zones and 
air bags.

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 12:58:20 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? 
> Helmet sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there 
> are more car drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Steve Palincsar]

They do, for racing.


On 09/13/2016 02:58 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? Helmet 
sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there are more car 
drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.



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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

I wonder why noone is marketing helmets for auto drivers/passengers? Helmet 
sellers stand to make waaay more money in that arena as there are more car 
drivers and car passengers on the road than cyclists.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

I think we're talking at cross purposes, Ron. I'll try again, using your 
crash as an example. Road rash is a vastly different thing than brain 
injury. Your momentum was dissipated by the relatively slow deceleration of 
the skid on the road, not by the helmet or the gloves. My point is this: 
had you instead stopped very rapidly (as in hitting a car or tree), the 
helmet would not have prevented the coup countrecoup of your brain slamming 
back and forth inside your skull due to rapid deceleration. It can't. You 
are spot on that helmets are good at preventing cuts and abrasions. Thus, 
the conversation about brain injury and helmets and the emotional "do you 
love your brain?" attempt at manipulating people into wearing a helmet as 
if it will protect against the primary cause of brain injury in a bike 
crash (coup contrecoup) is disingenuous and gives a false sense of safety.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:24:12 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> hogwash, Deac,   I've been twice on my helmet and gloves- once I was 
> thrown 20' when a water company pump pad grabbed and froze my front wheel 
> to the axle.  
> I slid on the helmet and gloves, and recieved no road rash on my face or 
> head.  I replaced my helmet in kind.  
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:59:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
>> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
>> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
>> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
>> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
>> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>>
>>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>>> show me the data! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:

 Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
 from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
 humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
 have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come 
 to 
 see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets 
 market, 
 is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:24:12 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> hogwash, Deac,   
>

What Ron Mc said, also based on dramatic personal experience, including a 
helmet smashed at speed, and a head that felt pretty darn good.

Un-Rivvy/Bobby, but my preferred helmet is a Specialized S-Works.  The only 
helmet I've ever owned that disappears once it's put on, and it will soon 
be replaced with same.  I also embrace lycra, so there you have it.

~pb

  


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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

hogwash, Deac,   I've been twice on my helmet and gloves- once I was thrown 
20' when a water company pump pad grabbed and froze my front wheel to the 
axle.  
I slid on the helmet and gloves, and recieved no road rash on my face or 
head.  I replaced my helmet in kind.  

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:59:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>> show me the data! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

which is what causes me to buy all my sunglasses at sierratradingpost - 
often helmets, too, and merino...

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:54:08 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses: 
>
>
> http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252_country=US=pla=12015634633471=14345894421=pla-26723778509=120156340001087973=c_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7=417x32487=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Jim M.]

The question wasn't about pros & cons of helmet wearing. Stop the 
proselytizing please. We are adults who can make our own decisions about 
headgear.

cheers
jim m
wc ca

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 9:59:26 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
> deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
> resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
> coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
> do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
> accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
>> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
>> show me the data! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Deacon Patrick]

Until helmets can address the basic physics of inertia and rapid 
deceleration of the soft tissue brain inside the hard nut case, and the 
resulting biology of the brain sheering neural connections because of the 
coup countrecoup sloshing about like jello in a dropped bowl, helmets will 
do very little to mitigate brain injury and a lot to make people think they 
accomplish something. To avoid brain injury, avoid the impact. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:42:32 AM UTC-6, Clementine59 wrote:
>
> It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the 
> apparent absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, 
> show me the data! 
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible 
>> from my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my 
>> humble opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I 
>> have done and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to 
>> see MIPs as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, 
>> is very small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Patrick Moore]

The same causes that give you the $500 cycling sunglasses:

http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/oakley-sunglasses-oo9174-carbon-blade?ID=1531252_country=US=pla=12015634633471=14345894421=pla-26723778509=120156340001087973=c_mmc=Google_Mens_Accessories_PLA-_-Men%27s+Sunglasses+-+GS_Oakley-_-59744373861-_-pg32487_c_kclickid_7f8f75f1-d844-46c0-8d56-612074d9b5f7=417x32487=CODQldzmjM8CFYORfgodQLgJMQ

I wonder how much these glasses and these helmets would cost if the seller
charged costs plus a reasonable -- say 100% -- markup?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three hundred dollars?
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Clementine59]

It's interesting how MIPS is promoted and accepted by users in the apparent 
absence of evidence supporting its effectiveness. If it works, show me the 
data! 

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:31:21 AM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>
> Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible from 
> my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my humble 
> opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I have done 
> and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to see MIPs 
> as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, is very 
> small, usually just a few millimeters. 
>
> Try this: Take all ten fingers and grab your scalp with your finger tips. 
> Without letting your fingers slip on your skin, move your scalp around. I 
> can move mine at least a couple of centimeters, in all directions.  Your 
> scalp is a MIPS.  It even uses lube (blood and interstitial fluid). The 
> helmet will slide a little on the surface of your scalp too, especially if 
> you have hair. Now that I have dumped on MIPS, I have to say that I am glad 
> the helmet manufacturers are finally making attempts to make helmets safer, 
> instead of just new colors and over stylized designs every year. Purely on 
> a safety basis, I think the hardshell skater type helmets are a better 
> solution, as they don't stick but slide. No protruding vent edges, wings, 
> etc. to get stuck on whatever you hit.  I have yet to find one that checks 
> all my boxes however, as most are a little heavy, and hot.  Currently I am 
> using a Giro Aspect and a Giro Reverb for road and town riding. They have a 
> roundish shape with no protruding "streamlining wings". Giro helmets fit my 
> head shape well. 
>
> I tried on my sons Troy Lee Designs A1 helmet and was in love with the 
> comfort and quality.  
>
> If I bought a new helmet, would I buy MIPS?  Maybe.  The prices on some 
> helmets are getting ridiculous. How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three 
> hundred dollars? 
>
> Clayton
> (Bend)
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

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Marketing is amazing. It is used to squeeze as much money as possible from 
my wallet, using as many psychological tricks as they can.  In my humble 
opinion, MIPS is marketing bullshirt'. From the brief research I have done 
and the scalp injuries I have seen as a Paramedic, I have come to see MIPs 
as snake oil.  The 'slippage' or movement that the helmets market, is very 
small, usually just a few millimeters. 

Try this: Take all ten fingers and grab your scalp with your finger tips. 
Without letting your fingers slip on your skin, move your scalp around. I 
can move mine at least a couple of centimeters, in all directions.  Your 
scalp is a MIPS.  It even uses lube (blood and interstitial fluid). The 
helmet will slide a little on the surface of your scalp too, especially if 
you have hair. Now that I have dumped on MIPS, I have to say that I am glad 
the helmet manufacturers are finally making attempts to make helmets safer, 
instead of just new colors and over stylized designs every year. Purely on 
a safety basis, I think the hardshell skater type helmets are a better 
solution, as they don't stick but slide. No protruding vent edges, wings, 
etc. to get stuck on whatever you hit.  I have yet to find one that checks 
all my boxes however, as most are a little heavy, and hot.  Currently I am 
using a Giro Aspect and a Giro Reverb for road and town riding. They have a 
roundish shape with no protruding "streamlining wings". Giro helmets fit my 
head shape well. 

I tried on my sons Troy Lee Designs A1 helmet and was in love with the 
comfort and quality.  

If I bought a new helmet, would I buy MIPS?  Maybe.  The prices on some 
helmets are getting ridiculous. How can a bicycle helmet cost almost three 
hundred dollars? 

Clayton
(Bend)

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Marc Irwin]

I've come to like the Bern Allston helmet a lot.  It has a harder shell 
than most and a visor without weighing more than a roadie helmet.  One 
thing I heard mentioned in a discussion about MIPS systems, one person 
noted that any helmet will slide on the head and thus provide some 
rotational protection.  Obviously, it't not as predictable as a built in 
feature, but it's something I hadn't thought of before.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

When wearing a helmet, be sure to not ride near low hanging tree branches.

I wonder if anyone makes a helmet with break away straps?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Scott Loveless]

I have a Giro Reverb that doesn't look like it came off a Power
Rangers studio set.  It's round, moderately comfortable and has good
ventilation.  Other than the vent slots not being quite big enough to
get a finger through for scalp scratching, it's pretty much the Moe
Howard helmet. When I was commuting about 6 miles each way I'd put
tape over the front and top vents to keep my forehead from freezing
during the winter.

http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/urban/reverb.html

It looks like they also have a helmet called the Sutton that may be
more your style.  It's tiny vent holes would leave me overheating in
all but the most frigid conditions.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
> I don't like riding with a helmet when it is Spring/summer/fall. Too hot.
>
> However, I really like wearing a helmet in the rain, and in the winter to
> keep the wintry blast off my head.
>
> I have a 2009 helmet that I like. But the outer plastic is starting to lift
> away from the Styrofoam body.
>
> But my problem is that most helmets are made with such a high dome they make
> me look funny when I wear them. I have tried others that looked low dome,
> but still look high dome on me.
>
> So I would look for something with a flat, low dome. Anyone know of one that
> doesn't cost over 60$US?
>
> I don't know why no one has developed a more "normal" looking helmet, with
> low dome, meaning something that looks like regular clothes, and not all
> science fiction like most helmets look.
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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Ron Mc]

just yesterday, I was pedaling quickly through an intersection in the 
green, a driver on the cross street had right-turn sweep with a yield sign. 
 I turned on my front helmet blinkie, looked straight at the driver, and 
saw his recognition as new and extra braking (dive) of his vehicle - he 
didn't see me before that.  

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Edwin W]

Will,

I like that Ovation! I never thought of the equestrian ones, but it is classy. 
I feel like with the bike helmets they are usually either too racy or too 
street punky. 
Not fast enough or young enough for most,

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Will]

I use an equestrian helmet. They are good looking, have a small visor 
(about an inch) so rain is deflected, and are built to stronger standards 
(horses are higher from the ground and have hooves) than typical bicycle 
stock. The trick is to find one large enough, the horsey set tends to be 
female, and one with good ventilation. My current helmet is a large Troxel 
school model (cost = $35 and built like a tank). My next will be a L/XL 
Ovation Protege (cost = $45). I'll get the Ovation b/c the ventilation is 
better and the interior suspension is more tunable. In either brand, the 
liner removes for washing. Removeable liners are a a nice feature. 

I do not particularly like bicycle helmets (I have a $200 Giro). Too much 
slipstream fru-fru. Reminds me of the lycra folks. 

On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Lungimsam]

I don't like riding with a helmet when it is Spring/summer/fall. Too hot.

However, I really like wearing a helmet in the rain, and in the winter to 
keep the wintry blast off my head.

I have a 2009 helmet that I like. But the outer plastic is starting to lift 
away from the Styrofoam body.

But my problem is that most helmets are made with such a high dome they 
make me look funny when I wear them. I have tried others that looked low 
dome, but still look high dome on me.

So I would look for something with a flat, low dome. Anyone know of one 
that doesn't cost over 60$US?

I don't know why no one has developed a more "normal" looking helmet, with 
low dome, meaning something that looks like regular clothes, and not all 
science fiction like most helmets look.

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[Clementine59]

Lots of good info here:
http://www.helmets.org/

The MIPS discussion is interesting and worth reading.

On Sunday, September 11, 2016 at 12:06:41 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I've been using a helmet that the designers at Specialized gave me several 
> years ago.  It's a nice helmet but it's getting pretty grungy and probably 
> needs to be replaced.  Having only spent about $50 or $60 on helmets in the 
> past 20 years, I figured it's time to pony up for a new helmet.  As I 
> started to search I was amazed at (1) the range of helmets I'd never seen; 
> (2) some of the new innovations that are coming out and; (3) some of the 
> prices that helmets are hitting these days.  I may just try to ping on 
> friends in the industry for another freebie but I use it so often, I may 
> actually get picky and open the wallet for this one. I'm not looking to 
> start a pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate, just looking for insights from those 
> who use 'em.  What are people liking out there and why?  I'd love to hear 
> everyone's latest thoughts on helmets.
>
>  
>
> BTW... I did go down the "folding helmet rabbit hole" when I was 
> searching.  Some crazy new things coming out.  
>
>
> http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/dash-and-stash-stash-folding-bike-helmet.html
>
> http://www.morpherhelmet.com/
>
>
> https://store.moma.org/museum/moma/ProductDisplay_Fuga-Foldable-Helmet_10451_10001_227971_-1_26715_11506_221954?gclid=CIC3h9Szhs8CFY9bfgodLwoAkg
>
>
> http://www.backcountrygear.com/madillo.html?gclid=CPD56pq0hs8CFQtnfgodRS4JwA
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Overade-Foldable-Folding-Bicycle-Helmet/dp/B00TA4TF4E
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/pango-folding-helmet
>
>  
>
> ...and my wife found this one: http://www.ecohelmet.com/
>
>  
>
> John “Not wearing a paper helmet anytime soon”
>

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