Re: [RDA-L] 260 and 264 field

2012-07-13 Thread Joan Wang
@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2012 11:16 AM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* [RDA-L] 260 and 264 field Hi, fellows Let you know first, I am still learning RDA. Anybody would like to be my teacher and explain the new field 264 field? I am

Re: [RDA-L] 260 vs 264 fields

2012-07-16 Thread Joan Wang
264 fields? Deborah Mills Cataloguer E.P. Taylor Research Library Art Gallery of Ontario 317 Dundas Street West Toronto, Ontario Canada M5T 1G4 e-mail: deborah_mi...@ago.net ph: 416-979-6660 ext. 390 fax: 416-979-6602 -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library

Re: [RDA-L] 260 vs 264 fields

2012-07-16 Thread Joan Wang
, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Buzz Haughton bongob...@gmail.com wrote: I just now did a search of Connexion for: dx:rda/bks/2013 and found every record I looked at, including PCC records, with the 260. So something isn't right here. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Joan Wang jw

Re: [RDA-L] Examples of RDA records with field 264

2012-07-17 Thread Joan Wang
Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC

2012-07-19 Thread Joan Wang
not necessarily reflect those of The New York Public Library. -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x209 618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC

2012-07-19 Thread Joan Wang
Sorry. I mean full-level AACR2 records. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: We CMC are doing cataloging for local automated library systems. Some systems require full-level records. So we update pre-AACR2 records that we come across. I remember

Re: [RDA-L] Fw: What Goes into the 1xx Field?

2012-08-01 Thread Joan Wang
to be taken if names change or move around the title page in subsequent editions, but we already deal with that today. -- Mark K. Ehlert Minitex http://www.minitex.umn.edu/ -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL

Re: [RDA-L] Fw: What Goes into the 1xx Field?

2012-08-01 Thread Joan Wang
, it makes sense to make the French title the main entry for the French expression, but in Anglo-American countries Original title (Language) may be kept. Peter Schouten Ingressus -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road

Re: [RDA-L] Quick question about RDA 2.4.1.8

2012-08-22 Thread Joan Wang
by was there? ** ** -- ** ** Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 ** ** -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409

Re: [RDA-L] Naming works question

2012-08-28 Thread Joan Wang
issuing body. -- Joan Wang Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] Naming works question

2012-08-28 Thread Joan Wang
Learn a lot. Thanks to Thomas. Joan Wang llinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca wrote: I think one key idea is that the relationships exist regardless of the convention used to capture the relationship between

Re: [RDA-L] illustrations, some of which are colored

2012-08-30 Thread Joan Wang
As far as I know, RDA has no specification on that. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Joseph, Angelina angelina.jos...@marquette.edu wrote: Do we use British or American spelling (in this case, it is color v. colour)? *-- angelina* Angelina

Re: [RDA-L] Transcription of more than one publisher

2012-09-11 Thread Joan Wang
I would transcribe it as: New York : Vintage Books. Vintage Books is an established corporate body name. Vintage Departures seems to be something else instead of the corporate body name. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Snow, Karen ks

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Joan Wang
relationship. It is very hard to say that a composer for a movie music can be a creator of the movie (at the work-level). Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.eduwrote: John, I apologize for continuing to harp

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Joan Wang
Brennodorfer has mentioned four conventions in a previous email. My thought. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Gene Fieg gf...@cst.edu wrote: Let's see here. I recently subscribed to KUSC and my gift for giving was music from movies, whether

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

2012-10-09 Thread Joan Wang
John I am sorry. Do you mean a collection of music or just a movie music? Also do you mean recording the relationships in both sides? Thanks, Joan Wang On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:19 PM, JOHN C ATTIG jx...@psu.edu wrote: No, they are either (a) contributions to the realization of the movie

Re: [RDA-L] content type: three-dimensional form vs. tactile three-dimensional form

2012-10-15 Thread Joan Wang
of content of an item can be perceived through touch, I do not think that it can be called as a tactile three dimensional form, unless you give a note. In other words, the content can be fully known or learned through touch. It is related to the design purpose of the item. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois

Re: [RDA-L] coloured illustrations

2012-10-16 Thread Joan Wang
understanding correct? I know that I am a kind of repeating Robert’s words. But would be very happy if somebody would like to confirm it. Thanks for the help in advance. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Matthew Wise matthew.w...@nyu.edu wrote

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-16 Thread Joan Wang
and concise enough (I think). Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.eduwrote: If we are cataloging a work, with a preface by someone other than the main author, RDA 20.2.1 says this is a relationship between

Re: [RDA-L] coloured illustrations

2012-10-16 Thread Joan Wang
) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/**~aschiffhttp://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~** On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Joan Wang wrote: Hi, I found the following illustrative matter examples in AACR2 and OCLC Bibliographic

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

2012-10-17 Thread Joan Wang
or illustrator. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Adam L. Schiff asch...@u.washington.eduwrote: The LC-PCC Policy Statement for K.1 says Use only terms from Appendix K if supplying relationship designators in the shared LC/NACO Authority File

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

2012-10-22 Thread Joan Wang
AACR2 requires to record publication date and copyright date if they are different. But RDA does not have the same rule. So in AACR2 records, we see different dates in 008 field, and would not see the same dates appearing. But in RDA records we can see the same dates in 008 field. Joan Wang

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-23 Thread Joan Wang
The major of purpose of GMD is to draw users' attention to material types, since it is an important factor for users to make a decision on selecting items. Is there any way for OPAC systems to show material types in a intuitive and friendly way based on the three 33x fields? Curious. Joan Wang

Re: [RDA-L] 264 and local distributors

2012-10-23 Thread Joan Wang
‡a London :‡b Vogue 260 3 ‡3 June 1993- ‡a London :‡b Elle 260 2 ‡3 2000?-2002 ‡a New York :‡b Columbia University Press Thanks, Joan Wang On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.eduwrote: If we wanted to record a distributor (cf. RDA 21.4), and that distributor

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-23 Thread Joan Wang
the title. You do not have to click each title to see what it is. But I do not know how the search results would be displayed based on FRBR. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Kathleen Lamantia klaman...@starklibrary.org wrote: Yes, sorry

Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question

2012-10-24 Thread Joan Wang
I did look at this record this morning. It is a record for online PDF file instead of a print-out. It does include 856 field. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.eduwrote: The record doesn't appear to be following

Re: [RDA-L] RDA reproduction question

2012-10-24 Thread Joan Wang
into details. You may need to look at RDA Toolkit. The question is: should we treat a print-out of online born resources as publications? I think that it is a kind of personal behavior and it should be treated as production (unpublished). Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

2012-10-24 Thread Joan Wang
Very cool! Thanks for letting us know. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Adam L. Schiff asch...@u.washington.eduwrote: Another aspect I have not seen mentioned, is that AACR2 style GMDs only had to be assigned to nonbook materials. RDA 33X must

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Joan Wang
Me too. For AACR2 records, I use commas between performers in the 511, and semicolons between elements in the 508 with space before and after semicolons. So far I have not realized that RDA requires any changes in punctuations. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2

Re: [RDA-L] First issue v. latest issue - JSC Announcement

2012-11-14 Thread Joan Wang
I agree. I read the announcement several times. It is very reasonable. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: This is great! Many thanks to JSC for paving the way for a more flexible

[RDA-L] Reproduction

2012-11-14 Thread Joan Wang
? I would appreciate it. Many thanks, Joan -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

2012-11-14 Thread Joan Wang
, CT 06520-8240 (203)432-8286 steven.arak...@yale.edu ** ** *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:07 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

2012-11-14 Thread Joan Wang
Come out another question: if OCLC control numbers are not mandatory, how can we can these fields as linking entry fields? :D Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Hi, Steven Thanks. I thought that OCLC

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

2012-11-14 Thread Joan Wang
-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Joan Wang *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:55 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction ** ** Come out another question: if OCLC control numbers are not mandatory, how can we can these fields as linking entry

Re: [RDA-L] Reproduction

2012-11-15 Thread Joan Wang
Thanks to J. McRee (Mac) Elrod. I know what you are saying. Joan Wang On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Joan Wang said: But what is the solution for those that have not been cataloged? It is possible that the original manifestations have not been

Re: [RDA-L] Recording Statements of Responsibility Relating to Series

2012-11-26 Thread Joan Wang
Sorry. Should be series instead of serial. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: There is an authority record for the serial in OCLC. According to OCLC current practice, catalogers should use access points as established in the authority file, whether

Re: [RDA-L] Plurals in content types

2012-11-28 Thread Joan Wang
to physical objects, they are not used to refer to a specific item. They just represent a type of material or media. The 300 field actually refers to a specific physical item that you can count. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jenifer K Marquardt j

Re: [RDA-L] Plurals in content types

2012-11-28 Thread Joan Wang
Should be carrier type instead of material type. Sorry about that. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: My understanding is that content type refers to an attribute of an expression. It is an abstract term

Re: [RDA-L] Plurals in content types

2012-11-29 Thread Joan Wang
in an automated library system. Also, I am still wondering how many people would expect using plural words to answer a Type question. I think that it is a qualitative question. Or both singular and plural words are acceptable? Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights

2012-11-30 Thread Joan Wang
I guess that I will dream of entities dancing tonight. Hopefully they can move to the right place in a right way :D Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Jack Wu j...@franciscan.edu wrote: Ingenious. Picture certainly worth a thousand words. The 4 Group

Re: [RDA-L] Revised $e list; other suggestions?

2012-12-06 Thread Joan Wang
Thanks for the list. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:36 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: abridger actor addressee animator annotator appellant appellee architect [arranger[ arranger of music [consider arrange] art director

Re: [RDA-L] Folded unnumbered leaves, or Unnumbered folded leaves?

2012-12-10 Thread Joan Wang
I would use 2 unnumbered folded leaves. My feeling is that the actual number and unnumbered cannot be separated in this syntax. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.eduwrote: 2 unnumbered folded leaves

Re: [RDA-L] Description of symbols - in which language?

2012-12-11 Thread Joan Wang
to the cataloging language. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:10 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Heidrun said: What strikes me as odd is that RDA is not very consistent here. With respect to a symbol in a title, we're supposed to describe

Re: [RDA-L] When part of 245 comes from outside resource

2013-01-10 Thread Joan Wang
many such notes and cause the similar issues. My imagination. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:37 AM, C.J. Carty cj...@cam.ac.uk wrote: My colleagues and I have been debating something and would like to benefit from the collective wisdom of the list. We

[RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?

2013-01-18 Thread Joan Wang
and white. So for any illustrations, we can encode them “color”, unless we give more precise descriptions such as black and white, or taupe and blue green. Thanks, Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen

Re: [RDA-L] Color: an attribute at the manifestation or content level?

2013-01-18 Thread Joan Wang
Yes. You are right. I did not see that. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Arakawa, Steven steven.arak...@yale.eduwrote: I don’t think the definition of color would apply to illustrations, since the rule explicitly excludes black and white

Re: [RDA-L] 533 in RDA

2013-01-22 Thread Joan Wang
not use 533/534 fields for reproductions in a workshop at the OLAC conference. I am also wondering the fate of the field. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Michael Cohen mco...@library.wisc.eduwrote: The MARC to RDA mapping does have an entry

Re: [RDA-L] GMD revisited

2013-01-31 Thread Joan Wang
and update. One day you may have to get rid of them. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Goldfarb, Kathie kgoldf...@com.eduwrote: I am planning on adding a $h. In our public record, we do have icons that provide some description, but, maybe I am

[RDA-L] note order in RDA

2013-02-04 Thread Joan Wang
order really does not matter. But so far we are still working on a traditional work-form. Is there a general practice? Or I missed something? Thanks for your help. Joan -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Joan Wang
I would take Thomas's solution. It makes the 245 field consistent and neat. Also, we can supply access points for other important persons. So users are able to search them. My personal opinion. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Brenndorfer

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-07 Thread Joan Wang
different perspectives. Appreciate it. Thanks. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de wrote: Thomas Brenndorfer wrote: AACR2 also says “not named in a statement of responsibility” but its application

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

2013-02-11 Thread Joan Wang
Does it help for collocating works under the same person? I think that this is the significance of distinguishing creators from contributors. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Goldfarb, Kathie kgoldf...@com.edu wrote: I would interpret first named

Re: [RDA-L] Corporate authorship; and, Loose-leaf that's not updating

2013-02-15 Thread Joan Wang
loose-leaf updating, you are cataloging an integrating resource instead of a monograph. Is that right? Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM, J. McRee Elrod m...@slc.bc.ca wrote: Sevim asked: 1. Where in the RDA Toolkit can I find instructions to help

Re: [RDA-L] Cross training

2013-02-22 Thread Joan Wang
If you go Adam L. Schiff's home page, you can find lots of stuff on RDA. http://faculty.washington.edu/aschiff/ Library of congress training materials are quite good and a kind of overwhelming :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Paradis Daniel

Re: [RDA-L] Cross-training from AACR2 ro RDA

2013-02-25 Thread Joan Wang
a lot to understand FRBR concepts and RDA cataloging. It will make your further cataloging work easier :) Hopefully it helps. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Paul Davey daveyp...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: ** This is to say I am very grateful for all

Re: [RDA-L] note order in RDA

2013-03-01 Thread Joan Wang
Wow! Mark, thank you so so much. Now I understand more. Have a great weekend! Joan Wang On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 8:26 PM, M. E. m.k.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see a reply to this post, so I'll give it a go. Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: Is there a note order requirement

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

2013-03-01 Thread Joan Wang
There is an exception for abbreviation, min. for minutes, while we say that RDA is not use abbreviations any more. We can explain the reason why not use abbreviations. But how can we explain the exception? Let's have fun with RDA :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

2013-03-01 Thread Joan Wang
Kevin, Thanks for these. These appear in Appendix B. Is there a simple rationale when use abbreviations and when not? Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: The lack of abbreviations in RDA has been

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

2013-03-01 Thread Joan Wang
Do not worry about that. I would not ask the question :) Thanks a lot. At least I have some kind of rule :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Kevin M Randall k...@northwestern.eduwrote: Not sure about a simple rationale. But perhaps a simple rule

Re: [RDA-L] Use of ISBD punctuation with RDA. And a workshop.

2013-03-04 Thread Joan Wang
Chris, I agree with you. I am also a person who likes to answer questions. We all like collective wisdom :) Thanks for your email. I appreciate it. Joan Wang On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Fox, Chris c...@byui.edu wrote: Joan, Thanks very much for pointing this out. I know it’s

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-07 Thread Joan Wang
This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between catalogers. No indication to quote the rule to the student. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jerri Swinehart swine...@oakland.eduwrote: I think though that what needs to guide

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-07 Thread Joan Wang
that make sense? Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Lisa Hatt hattl...@fhda.edu wrote: On 3/7/2013 9:47 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote: This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between catalogers. No indication

Re: [RDA-L] [Un]bracketed page numbers

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
504 field is among recorded elements. I think that there is no arbitrary requirement that the data should exactly reflect the resource itself. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Michael Cohen mco...@library.wisc.eduwrote: I understand

Re: [RDA-L] Reproductions of Art Works and FRBR

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
Barbara, Yes. It helps. Thanks for your explanation both in theory and practice. Thanks again. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Barbara Tillett babstill...@me.com wrote: Each resource contains intellectual or artistic content

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

2013-03-08 Thread Joan Wang
a cataloger. I am not sure if it is because my first language is Chinese. A word explanation seems to be explicit for users. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Michael Borries michael.borr...@mail.cuny.edu wrote: I wish to comment on several

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-11 Thread Joan Wang
Thanks. Benjamin. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.eduwrote: Joan--there's no requirement to record affiliations, but there is a requirement (unless you choose the optional omission) to Transcribe a statement

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-12 Thread Joan Wang
. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Charles Croissant crois...@slu.eduwrote: I too would like to add my voice in support of Ben's position. Applying 2.4.1.4 as it stands, without applying the optional admission, is bound to lead in some cases

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
: Affiliation: , and then authority records could be automatically created. Is that right? Just my imagination :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Joan, I think you're assuming that an authority

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
I think in 336-338 fields with $3. Do not know 344-347. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 8:05 AM, John Williams jwilli...@johnshopkins.itwrote: And can fields 344-347 (with an explanatory $3) also be used for accompanying material? ** ** John

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
relationships. Is a sub-field in 300 fields among them? Just try to explain that :) Thanks for your help in advance. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: RDA-L readers, Final comment for the night :-) RDA

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
Apparently it is not easy to make paragraphs and sentences consistent. I am kidding. Have fun :) Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Ian Fairclough ifairclough43...@yahoo.com wrote: RDA-L readers, Thanks to Mark Ehlert for the correction to my

Re: [RDA-L] Technical report dates and publication

2013-03-14 Thread Joan Wang
. Apparently I do not answer Arthur's question. See anybody who would like to give a scenario under RDA :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Arthur Liu art@gmail.com wrote: Hello RDA-L, I am unsure how to handle dates of publication

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-15 Thread Joan Wang
Is Playaway a storage medium (carrier) as well as a player medium? Probably a stupid question :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kelley McGrath kell...@uoregon.edu wrote: I guess I'm not sure that a Playaway is unmediated. It's just that the mediation is transparent

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

2013-03-15 Thread Joan Wang
Sorry. should be a playing medium. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: Is Playaway a storage medium (carrier) as well as a player medium? Probably a stupid question :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Kelley McGrath kell

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

2013-03-19 Thread Joan Wang
. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] a rather than t for ETD

2013-03-19 Thread Joan Wang
, or the handwritten or typescript copy of a creator’s work. 2) In the context of production method for manuscripts, any handwritten manuscript which is not a holograph. Based on the definition, isn't it hard to consider ETDs manuscripts? I am also wondering that. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois

Re: [RDA-L] Question about edition statements

2013-03-21 Thread Joan Wang
it. Really hope that the situation could be improved. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Aaron Smith aaronkaysm...@gmail.comwrote: For OCLC users, the future optional addition will continue to be absolutely necessary to avoid inadvertent record

Re: [RDA-L] Query re. 264 in RDA Toolkit

2013-03-22 Thread Joan Wang
Karen This is an old issue. I believe that many people have noticed it. I think that RDA Toolkit is updating it. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Karen Nelson knel...@capilanou.ca wrote: Hi, everyone; ** ** I’m playing in my new

[RDA-L] dimension of discs and end punctuations of 264 field

2013-03-28 Thread Joan Wang
mark? Any examples? I thought that a question mark is always included in square brackets. Thank you. -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator for one who writes a foreword

2013-03-29 Thread Joan Wang
I would use *writer of added commentary*. There is a difference between* **writer of added commentary* and *writer of added text*. The latter is used for a primarily non-textual work. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Baumgarten, Richard, JCL

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator for one who writes a foreword

2013-03-29 Thread Joan Wang
Forgot to say, a writer of a foreword is at the expression level. Using *writer of added commentary* or *writer of added text *depends on the book in your hand*. * On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: I would use *writer of added commentary

Re: [RDA-L] dimension of discs and end punctuations of 264 field

2013-03-29 Thread Joan Wang
Thanks a lot. Deborah. Have a great weekend :) Joan Wang On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.comwrote: Joan, ** ** Yes, abbreviate ‘inches’ as ‘in.’ as per Appendix B, because 3.5.1.3 (which gives us the alternative to use the system of measure we

Re: [RDA-L] dimension of discs and end punctuations of 264 field

2013-04-01 Thread Joan Wang
I think that it is an email address to ask questions. Questions about RDA and LC's RDA plans may be directed to *LChelp4rda*@ loc.gov Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Dawn Grattino dawn.gratt...@cpl.org wrote: Forgive my ignorance. I have just seen

Re: [RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-04-01 Thread Joan Wang
frame; as a caption title, running title; on a cover, spine; on a title bar), on a jacket, sleeve, container, etc., or in material accompanying the resource.* Is my understanding correct? Thank you. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:32 PM, JOHN C ATTIG jx

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

2013-04-01 Thread Joan Wang
I think that the abridgment is a cataloger's decision. So it should be in the cataloging language, the language of the bibliographic record being created. Is that right? Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Geoffrey Hooker hook...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets in RDA

2013-04-03 Thread Joan Wang
A derived question: There is a rule in AACR2: If no statement of responsibility appears prominently in the item, neither construct one nor extract one from the content of the item. Give the relevant information in a note. Is there a parallel rule in RDA? Thank you. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets in RDA

2013-04-03 Thread Joan Wang
I think that the answer should be No. The reason is that RDA broadens sources of information for statement of responsibility. Sorry for my bothering :) Thanks, Joan Wang On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: A derived question: There is a rule in AACR2

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets in RDA

2013-04-03 Thread Joan Wang
Add some information. If following LCPS, this information should be bracketed. LC practice/PCC practice: Use square brackets if information taken from a source outside a resource itself is supplied in any of the elements listed. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Apr 3

Re: [RDA-L] order in 245 when title is more than one language,

2013-04-04 Thread Joan Wang
I agree with that. Thanks for the sharing. An interesting story. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:52 AM, McDonald, Stephen steve.mcdon...@tufts.eduwrote: I can understand the logic of that. Would you also have a 246 field with the complete title in German

Re: [RDA-L] order in 245 when title is more than one language, with bits in each language interspersed

2013-04-04 Thread Joan Wang
shining word is Changes. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bernadette Mary O'Reilly bernadette.orei...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk wrote: This issue seems to be covered by ISBD rather than RDA proper. Buried deep in Appendix D.1.2.1(b), where I found

Re: [RDA-L] Tag 9 in Bib Record

2013-04-04 Thread Joan Wang
I did that too. I looked at the record over and over. But I was scared to make a conclusion :) I am wondering if somebody else can find them. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Kadri, Carolyn J ka...@uta.edu wrote: I have looked this OCLC record over

[RDA-L] analytical description in RDA

2013-04-05 Thread Joan Wang
field. Is that right? But under AACR2, most of time I use 773 fields instead of 490. I feel that 773 fields make more sense. Can I use 773 fields under RDA? Thank you. Joan Wang -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road

Re: [RDA-L] recording non-diacritic characters in the title

2013-04-08 Thread Joan Wang
was your age 245 * *$a When I was your age STOP 500 * *$a In title, STOP appears as a stop sign. I ❤ a piano 245 * ** *$a I [love] a piano 246 * *$a I heart a piano 500* *$a On title page [love] appears as a heart. Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Mon, Apr 8, 2013

Re: [RDA-L] recording non-diacritic characters in the title

2013-04-08 Thread Joan Wang
There should be a stop sign in the title of When I was your age. But I am not sure if the image can be displayed. Thank you. When I was your age On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.orgwrote: My slide is as the following. See if it is helpful. •Use square

Re: [RDA-L] recording non-diacritic characters in the title

2013-04-08 Thread Joan Wang
Thank you. Deborah. I did not notice that. Joan Wang On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.comwrote: LC PCC PS for 1.7.5, Point 4. Exception 2: ignore symbols indicating trademark ** ** ** ** - - - - - - - - Deborah Fritz TMQ, Inc

Re: [RDA-L] Dust jacket as a Source of Information

2013-04-09 Thread Joan Wang
in the resource itself (e.g., on a title page, title frame, title screen; as a caption title, running title; on a cover, spine), on a jacket, sleeve, container, etc., or in accompanying material* Thank you. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Deborah Fritz

Re: [RDA-L] Title main entry

2013-04-09 Thread Joan Wang
Look at 19.2.1.1.1 Corporate Bodies Considered to Be Creators. My feeling is that the rule is quite same as AACR2. Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Saunders, Mary mary.saund...@maine.govwrote: I work quite a bit with corporate publications

Re: [RDA-L] RDA instructions for accompanying material?

2013-04-10 Thread Joan Wang
Are they in new version? I feel that they are the same as my previous print-out. But maybe I am wrong :) Thanks, Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Pam Withrow withr...@perma-bound.comwrote: The revised examples are very helpful. Thank you for posting

Re: [RDA-L] Use of square brackets for supplied imprint statements

2013-04-11 Thread Joan Wang
In Appendix D, ISBD punctuation. When adjacent elements within one area are to be enclosed in square brackets, enclose each in its own set of square brackets. EXAMPLE [London] : [Phipps], [1870] Joan Wang Illinois Heartland Library System On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Ian Fairclough

[RDA-L] statement of function (distributors)

2013-04-11 Thread Joan Wang
Wang Illinois Heartland Library System -- Zhonghong (Joan) Wang, Ph.D. Cataloger -- CMC Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office) 6725 Goshen Road Edwardsville, IL 62025 618.656.3216x409 618.656.9401Fax

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