[RE-wrenches] Outback Dual Radian System - Phase Loss

2019-09-20 Thread Kienan Maxfield
Esteemed wrenchers. The day before yesterday, I tried to commission a grid-tied system with two Outback Radians and an Outback FM100. I got an event saying that it had a phase loss error on Port 2 (which is the slave). I tried looking online and in the manuals, and I checked all the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Harry Mahon
Dave – how is Rapid Shutdown being complied with? And what load requires 240V – or is that needed to “fool” the PV inverters? With two SB-40s, you have the ability to wire for the homeowner two Secure Power Supply circuits – and get up to 2000W (at 120VAC) from each when sun is up and grid is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
The downside of the SMA SPS is there is very little headroom to surge and start a well pump or a fire pump. There is also the major problem of sundown. Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [2] text 209

[RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Dave Tedeyan
Hi all, I get asked this question frequently, as I am sure many others do, and of course the first answer is "it cannot be done". But can it? I have a customer who is very keen on trying to make this happen. After a few lengthy conversations, he still wants to try it, even after understanding the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Dave Tedeyan
Hi Brad, Not a bad idea with this one to run the loads off the SPS's. Has anyone ever tried wiring these directly into a panel, rather than into an outlet? And do you know if the 120V signal from each one would match up, or do they work independantly? In other words can you wire both SPS into the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Dave Tedeyan
Hi Mike, For rapid shutdown, we are on NEC2014 in NY. So module level is not necessary. And the SPS is a huge reason for the SB inverters on this one. And in this case, it is almost exactly what the homeowner is looking for. But with the two inverters, can those SPS be wired into a panel rather

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Harry Mahon
If using SMA’s Rapid Shutdown System, the SPS function is available as RS is initiated in the manner you described. If using the TS4 units for 2017 690.12 compliance, the SPS function is not available on the SB US-40. Each SPS circuit is independent – there is no way for two Sunny Boys to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Harry Mahon
I replied to another message about code/RS. Each SPS circuit is independent, so no 240V waveform possible. And as was mentioned by Dave, be careful about planning to have motors or pumps be started by the SPS. The array cannot provide surge current like a battery, so the inverter is limited

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Bradley Bassett
If you're not using the SB -40 inverter's rapid shutdown system, it has the SPS Secure Power Supply which does just what your customer wants. My understanding from talking to inverter mfg, is that trying to do AC coupling with a smaller battery inverters does not work because the anti-islanding

Re: [RE-wrenches] Running a grid tied system when the grid is down

2019-09-20 Thread Jerry Shafer
Yes it can be done, I was testing the sma1800 years ago with an outback 24 volt inverter and it worked fine with in its power range. On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 6:41 AM Dave Tedeyan wrote: > Hi all, > > I get asked this question frequently, as I am sure many others do, and of > course the first