RE: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-04-07 Thread David . LANDGREN
Jumping in late here, I was on holidays... I'm afraid I need to disagree with this. I picked up linux mostly because I wanted to have some understanding of unix, but it does have potential to be a desktop os. Think about the ease of use complaints, the original poster complained about not

RE: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-04-07 Thread David . LANDGREN
Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? Ok, what about $ cat dir echo I think you meant ls... (see: 'man ls')

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, William T Wilson wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Greg Thomas wrote: Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? I have

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Bruce Tong wrote: [...] * Each machine will eventually be a web server as this is how individuals will collaborate their work as well as access their own information from remote locations. Already Linux is like this. MacOS now ships with "Personal Web Sharing." Windows will

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote: the case, prompts are and always have been a very personal thing. I think it's the first thing in a long time that we agreed on :) But that's good for newbies. In a multi-user environment such as an ISP, adding "-i" to everything is *very*

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Greg Thomas wrote: [...] Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? Why should they have to? If the aliases allow

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Greg Thomas
Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? Why should they have to? If the aliases allow the users to get their work done easily

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Greg Thomas wrote: [...] ...but don't you think a pre-existing alias in a particular distribution would cause confusion? If somebody started new and typed in md and it worked they would not even wonder if it was a Linux native command. So they get a job or something where

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, William T Wilson wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote: who will? Are we to hope that UNIX will have the same, cryptic interface in 10 years that it has today, or should we hope that it will improve? No, we should hope that it will improve. But

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Steve \Stevers!\ Coile
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Joe Klemmer wrote: [...] Linux is NOT in competition with anything MS produces. Huh? Since when? What, then, *is* Linux competing with? What niche market does Linux serve without competition? -- Steve Coile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ,

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote: Don't get stuck in an "us versus them" mentality. Just because Microsoft does something doesn't mean Microsoft's doing it wrong. If people I'm not. I don't have any religious dislike for Microsoft. I like their context sensitive help, for

Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I personaly don't like Windoze, but there are thing Linux can learn from MS: mainly, some easy to use interfaces that can help those who just bought Linux to configure their machines and learn the basics, so they would be able to go

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Craig Kattner
I agree. I personaly don't like Windoze, but there are thing Linux can learn from MS: mainly, some easy to use interfaces that can help those who just bought Linux to configure their machines and learn the basics, so they would be able to go deeper after that.. The basic

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Greg Thomas
I'm afraid I need to disagree with this. I picked up linux mostly because I wanted to have some understanding of unix, but it does have potential to be a desktop os. Think about the ease of use complaints, the original poster complained about not knowing how to even change directories. Would

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Jean-Christophe Praud
I'm using RH 5.0 on my desktop, and planning to upgrade my users to it : - RH 5.0 - StarOffice 4.0, when StarDiv issue a french version - Netscape Communicator 4 - Java intranet applications we're developping - MySQL ... We just need to choose

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Craig Kattner
I'm afraid I need to disagree with this. I picked up linux mostly because I wanted to have some understanding of unix, but it does have potential to be a desktop os. Think about the ease of use complaints, the original poster complained about not knowing how to even change directories.

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Felix
Joe Klemmer wrote: The basic problem with all this is that Linux is NOT a desktop OS like Win3/95 or OS/2 or the Mac. It's a high end server OS. It's not even in the same category as Win95. ^^^ And Claire Bradford wrote: Unix is an opertaing

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Greg Thomas
Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? I use aliases for a lot of that stuff, but still need to some things that I

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Greg Fall
---Reply on mail from Greg Thomas about Not a Desktop OS Also, I see more newbies, like myself, make their first post to the list because they want to know how to get rid of FVWM95 because they don't want something that emulates Win95 and they want to try something new. Greg I suggest

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Greg Thomas wrote: Adding aliases to the dist, IMO, would be very bad. People would use dir, or md, or whatever, without ever knowing the corresponding Linux commands. What would motivate people to learn the OS this way? I have mixed feelings here. The first thing I

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Keith Dart
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Steve "Stevers!" Coile wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Greg Thomas wrote: [...] So they get a job or something where there are Linux machines and they go and try md and it isn't there, they're gonna go crazy, right? Wrong? But that's already going to be the case. Every

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Joe Klemmer
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Felix wrote: Somehow, through documentation, installation procedures, powerful apps, GUI's or what-have-you, Linux needs to step beyond the "High end server OS" and "garage hobbyist" to appeal to the non-tinkerer types. Only then can it really compete with Windows

Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread Junaid Pirzada
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Re: Not a Desltop OS (was: RE: thanks, but no thanks)

1998-03-27 Thread John E. Pearson
On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Joe Klemmer wrote: [...] Linux is NOT in competition with anything MS produces. Huh? Since when? What, then, *is* Linux competing with? What niche market does Linux serve without competition? Many many scientists are rather fond of linux and much less so of anything