Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer loss different with more power, Why?

2005-12-02 Thread Kevin Custer
Mathew, et al, Without very expensive test equipment, there is no way to calculate the correct length needed to match a transmitter to a duplexer. The correct length will seldom be some an exact wavelength or simple fraction of it. The terminal impedance of a transmitter can change with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer loss different with more power, Why?

2005-12-02 Thread Mathew Quaife
Well just for the sake of trying, I'm going to change the one length of cable going from the pa to the duplexer and see if that helps. I am beginning to believe it is the first can in the TX side that is giving me all the fits, as this is the second time I have had to retune it. I don't knowif

[Repeater-Builder] Looking to trade GE PLL exciter.

2005-12-02 Thread Bruno Bouliane
I'm looking for a GE VHF hi-band PLL exciter. I have a UHF PLL unit, G2 split 45-470mhz with the ICOM. Anyone interested in a trade ? I'd like to experiment with true FM, we're using phase mod right now. Bruno VE2VK. VE2RVK repeater voting system 146.865mhz- 141.3hz. Yahoo!

[Repeater-Builder] Need Info On R1225 interface to a NHRC 10 controller

2005-12-02 Thread ag4uw
Hi All I am new to the group What I am trying to do is put an external NHRC-10 controller to my r1225 repeater and cant get any audio are get it to key the transmitter. It receives fine, I checked with NHRC to make sure there was no trick to wiring it up that i might have over looked. But he said

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for data on old heliax

2005-12-02 Thread Richard Wilson
Hey Jeff- Just last year I had a similar problem. The first thing we did was look through the old engineering data for the site. In most cases, the sample lines should all be the same length, so if you shoot the lines to the other tower(s) with the TDR you can compute your own VF for the

[Repeater-Builder] Tait 800 portable repeater conversion

2005-12-02 Thread teanbyp0642
Does anyone know how to convert the Tait 800 to work on the UK 70cms band (430 - 440 Mhz). Spec says the repeater will work as standard on 440 - 470Mhz. I would like to buy it for our local club but don't want to waste money if it won't cover that frequency. Also, any funnies in programming

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for VHF Engineering Company kits, boards, etc. to buy

2005-12-02 Thread k0jxi
U have various VHF Engineering kit built and un built and not that I think about it a have the original 2 meter repeater built that I would be willing to sell. Let me know what you are interested in . 73, Dale --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mark Nallick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread J. G. Adams, Jr
I'm looking for a manual and any other info on a Micro Computer Concepts RC-10 controller. Can tou program it over the air and how do you reset the controller to the default values Thanks, Jerry Adams W4PX Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread Gary Hoff
MCC has a web site http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt/ and there is also a yahoo group for MCC controllers. Maybe you can get some help there. I have a RC-100 but never seen a RC-10 Gary - K7NEY - Original Message - From: J. G. Adams, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Tait 800 portable repeater conversion

2005-12-02 Thread Bernd Maestling
Hello Paul, yes, it'll work. Make a search in this group, there was a discussion about this repeaters last week. I already programmed my T855/856 and exchanged the ICOM repeater with the TAIT. MUCH better results. My RX is working at 431MHz (German RX input) the TX at 439MHz. You have to align

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for VHF Engineering Company kits, boards, etc. to buy

2005-12-02 Thread skipp025
You are right Kevin... one can find early receiver and receiving converter projects authored by Mr Vogt in Ham Radio (*rip) magazine. There's another post on the group here about the Diode CW ID'er board being the same circuits. Well for the most part... there were a lot of diode cw id'er

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread J. G. Adams, Jr
The RC-10 is the previous model and it is not on the web site Thanks, Jerry At 10:43 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: MCC has a web site http://home.earthlink.net/~mccrpt/ and there is also a yahoo group for MCC controllers. Maybe you can get some help there. I have a RC-100 but never seen a RC-10 Gary

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread Joel
you guys are right, never seen a RC-10 by MCC, but icom has a RC-10 controller at the link below, v44kai...Joel http://www.usersmanualguide.com/icom/accesories__remote_controller - Original Message - From: Gary Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,

[Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Charles Greene
Hi, I have a service monitor that measures the FM deviation, and a Micor repeater on 145.45. What should I set the deviation at? Tnx, W1CG Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this

[Repeater-Builder] R1225 Repeater Exciter Output??????

2005-12-02 Thread ag4uw
Hi all I am New to the group and wonting to know if anyone knows the output power of a Motorola R1225 Repeater?? the reason I wont to know this is i have an Amp thats driven with 200 to 300MW and am trying to figure out how to get the power output down to that if at all posable. Yahoo!

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Bob M.
The normal deviation for 2 meter repeaters is +/- 5 kHz maximum, with or without PL. PL deviation would typically be 750-800 Hz but that's usually not adjustable separately, so whatever you get when the overall deviation is 5 kHz is what you'll be stuck with. The amount of crossover audio - how

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread DCFluX
Are you sure it is not a SRC-10? http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/ccp-index.html On 12/2/05, Joel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you guys are right, never seen a RC-10 by MCC, but icom has a RC-10controller at the link below,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread mch
4.5 kHz including any CTCSS/CDCSS that is transmitted - especially if you're on a 15 kHz bandplan. Joe M. Charles Greene wrote: Hi, I have a service monitor that measures the FM deviation, and a Micor repeater on 145.45. What should I set the deviation at? Tnx, W1CG Yahoo!

Re: [Repeater-Builder] R1225 Repeater Exciter Output??????

2005-12-02 Thread Bob M.
I believe these repeaters are based on the MaxTrac/Radius/M1225 product line; as such they probably output 25 or 45 watts. You would need to use the radio service software to turn the output power down, however it will be unstable and quite inefficient at such a low level. The power won't remain

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Ken Arck
One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far, and one thing that is quite important, is that regardless of the suggestion of 5 or 4.75 Khz, it must be noted that these are PEAK values, not average. If the average deviation is set for 5 KHz, then the peaks will be absolutely be more than 5 Khz. So

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Charles Greene
Ken, Shouldn't the touch tone pad tone be set at the maximum deviation or nearly so? Those are steady and not subject to peaks. Also I take it the max deviation should be set with a 1Khz audio tone applied 73, Chas W1CG At 05:05 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: One thing that hasn't been

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Ken Arck
At 05:30 PM 12/2/2005 -0500, you wrote: Shouldn't the touch tone pad tone be set at the maximum deviation or nearly so? ---I've always found around 3 Khz to be the correct point for most decoders/controllers. You mileage may, of course, vary. Those are steady and not subject to peaks. Also

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC-10

2005-12-02 Thread k6tam
Hi from Calif. I use my RC-10 controller in the car everyday. It's made by Kenwood and supports my older Kenwood mobile 2 meter and 440 mobile radio's. It's been serving me well for many years. Have several of these units and the manual :O) Great device. Remember " It's only a hobby".

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread mch
TT should be between 3 and 4 kHz deviation. (preferably closer to 3) Joe M. Charles Greene wrote: Ken, Shouldn't the touch tone pad tone be set at the maximum deviation or nearly so? Those are steady and not subject to peaks. Also I take it the max deviation should be set with a 1Khz

[Repeater-Builder] TAIT T800 CTCSS and Alarm Unit

2005-12-02 Thread Bernd Maestling
Hello, today I received a second T800 series I repeater. This one has CTCSS (T8?8) boards and a alarm unit (TS5040) installed. Does someone have informations about these options? Thanks a lot Bernd DM5BM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread Coy Hilton
I'm trying to help a friend who has a new toy. It is a Motorola R100 Model 5016? It is set up as a repeater and is a neat little box. Does these things have both PL and/or DPL capabilities? Also someone told him if he tried to program it for PL and it couldn't do it that it would mess up the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Bob M.
As the original post mentioned a service monitor and a Micor repeater, I just assumed that it was the repeater's deviation that he was interested in. Touch-tones are a complex signal formed by two unrelated audio tones. There's also some inequality in the levels of the two tones as well as purity

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread Bob M.
Just about any Motorola radio will do PL, and anything made in the last 10 years or so, if it's computer-programmed, will do DPL as well. The only thing that would corrupt the code plug is using the wrong program on the radio or forcing it to be a different model radio. Get the right RSS and a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for VHF Engineering Company kits, boards, etc. to buy

2005-12-02 Thread n7zef
I have a receive section for a local system we had here until it was upgraded... 73 Mike N7ZEF - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for VHF Engineering

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread hwstar
I agree. DTMF is two sinusoids. You don't want the limiting action to distort the signal. BTW this is also why you should use 3KHz as a baseline on linked systems to keep the audio as linear as possible through chain-linked RF repeaters. One thing that bugs me though is that the 2005 ARRL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Bob Dengler
At 12/2/2005 10:50 AM, you wrote: Hi, I have a service monitor that measures the FM deviation, and a Micor repeater on 145.45. What should I set the deviation at? Obviously you're not in SoCal with than odd 10 kHz digit, but TASMA recommends 4.2 kHz total peak deviation. While this is lower

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for RF enclos

2005-12-02 Thread n7zef
Try Velltronics. There are stateside dealers, as well as the website... 73 Mike N7ZEF - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for RF enclos At 09:50 AM

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for VHF Engineering Company kits, boards, etc. to buy

2005-12-02 Thread k0jxi
My personal post did not come thru too clear but I have a number of VHF Engineering unbuilt kits, wired boards and even one complete two meter repeater if you are interested. 73, Dale k0jxi --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, n7zef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a receive section

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Charles Greene
Bob, Good point. I guess the best way to check the deviation is to put the service monitor in the duplex mode and go from there. I'll have to re-read the book on that. Our repeater seems to have a creeping deviation problem. Tonight was a good illustration of it. We held a net which

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread Shanon KA8SPW
Coy, The R100 will NOT do both PL and DPL. It comes one or the other. To change it requires the proprietary processors in the TX and RX to be changed. Also there are a few components on each that will have to be changed. If it is the wrong one I suggest you disable the internal PL and use an

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Ken Arck
Well... all I can say is look at how much trouble deviation got Michael Jackson in Ken (sorry, couldn't resist) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] R1225 Repeater Exciter Output

2005-12-02 Thread Eric Lemmon
It depends upon which one of the four models of the R1225 you have. Here they are: M03GRC90C2AA, 146-174 MHz, adjustable 1 to 10 watts M43GRC90C2AA, 146-174 MHz, adjustable 25 to 50 watts M04GRC90C2AA, 444-474 MHz, adjustable 1 to 10 watts M44GRC90C2AA, 444-474 MHz, adjustable 25-45 watts The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread Maire-Radios
there is the PL units and the DPL units you can not mix them. and only one tone per repeater. also you don't need the rib. - Original Message - From: Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:00 PM Subject:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer loss different with more power, Why?

2005-12-02 Thread Mathew Quaife
Well I did some testing this evening with some cables, several different lengths. The original is a 4' length of Superflex FSJ1, power out of the duplexer is 115 Watts, now tested on a Bird, and a smalltweak on the duplexers, so I am very close. I changed to a 5' cable, 90 watts, 6' gave 90

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread Bob M.
The ARRL doesn't have the faintest idea of anything above 30 MHz, much less FM. The 5 kHz deviation, for most amateur repeaters these days, is definitely a peak deviation, or as you mentioned, p-p / 2. Most deviation meters are calibrated for peak deviation. You could use an AC RMS voltmeter to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for VHF Engineering Company kits, boards, etc. to buy

2005-12-02 Thread DCFluX
Do you have the reciever or rf power amplifier for 220?On 12/2/05, k0jxi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal post did not come thru too clear but I have a number ofVHF Engineering unbuilt kits, wired boards and even one complete two meter repeater if you are interested.73, Dale k0jxi--- In

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer loss different with more power, Why?

2005-12-02 Thread Charles Miller
- Original Message - From: Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the case of Charles' repeater, I believe he was simply lucky when he cut the cable to length, and all was well. Could not have said it better Kevin. I was lucky. I did have one thing going for me though. I had an isolator

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread N9WYS
Coy, This is correct - PL OR DPL, but not both. The best way to find out what you have is to read the radio FIRST and go from there... And Shanon is correct - programming with the RSS is fun (his/her description, not mine), my experience was even WITH the manual. Software is very kludgy (my

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R100 PL / DPL help

2005-12-02 Thread Coy Hilton
Thanks gang! Message passed along. Coy --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coy, This is correct - PL OR DPL, but not both. The best way to find out what you have is to read the radio FIRST and go from there... And Shanon is correct - programming

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread no6b
At 12/2/2005 16:36, you wrote: I agree. DTMF is two sinusoids. You don't want the limiting action to distort the signal. BTW this is also why you should use 3KHz as a baseline on linked systems to keep the audio as linear as possible through chain-linked RF repeaters. One thing that bugs me

[Repeater-Builder] For Sale: Cushman CE-6 and CE-6a Service Monitors- Need Repairs

2005-12-02 Thread John Everson
Hello to the group. I have two Cushman Service Monitors that are sick and have to go. For starters I have a CE-6a that has a lock problem and will only lock between 460 and 470 Mhz. This unit has the Model 316 VHF 140-175 Mhz high sensitivity preselctor. The second unit is a CE-6 with what

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Deviation

2005-12-02 Thread no6b
At 12/2/2005 18:23, you wrote: You could use an AC RMS voltmeter to measure recovered audio on another receiver, but the deviation would only be meaningful if fed with a sinusoidal signal. Bob M. Another problem with using a standard NBFM RX to measure deviation is the IF filters, which chop

[Repeater-Builder] Wireless Auto Patch

2005-12-02 Thread Tim Horvath
I have a repeater in a remote aera with no phone service. Can I use a Cell Phone and interface it to my cat-1000 controller? If so How? I want it to receive and send calls. Thanks, Tim Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wireless Auto Patch

2005-12-02 Thread Mathew Quaife
Doubt it, no way to tell it to send. Other thought would be, is there internet service there, or wireless internet? That would be a more likely option. To my knowledge, there is none of the cell phones that automate like you want it to. Mathew N9LV Tim Horvath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wireless Auto Patch

2005-12-02 Thread no6b
At 12/2/2005 22:11, you wrote: Doubt it, no way to tell it to send. Other thought would be, is there internet service there, or wireless internet? That would be a more likely option. To my knowledge, there is none of the cell phones that automate like you want it to. Mathew N9LV Tim