Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread NORM KNAPP
That is what I was thinking as well. Perhaps if I had two more small cans the size of these Oh well Needs to be small to fit in 36 tall outdoor cabinet with TKR-751 and able to provide needed isolation at 50w for a 1.315 (to be precise) split... As for now it is no big deal. This TKR-751

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread wb6dgn
Matthew, Can you direct me to some online discussions regarding this? I would like to read more about it. Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Kaufman matt...@... wrote: On 8/27/2010 8:18 PM, wb6dgn wrote: If you reduce the modulation without reducing the receiver

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
Change of direction for a brief second or three Does anyone have the PC programing software for these radios, and perhaps by slim chance the wiring diagram for the PC cable to interconnect Thanks in advance Marcus

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread NORM KNAPP
By these radios do you mean the TKR-751 (same as TKR-750) and the TK-862G? - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat Aug 28 01:17:07 2010 Subject: Re:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
um not sure there, mine is either Tk705d or Tk805d both are 99% same software to use is KPG6D programming software and KPG4 cable Marcus On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net wrote: By these radios do you mean the TKR-751 (same as TKR-750) and the TK-862G?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread MCH
I would agree with the quality issues, but does that really equate to unintelligibility on any significant scale? Joe M. Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 8/27/2010 8:18 PM, wb6dgn wrote: If you reduce the modulation without reducing the receiver bandwidth, then, yes, the range will be reduced.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread NORM KNAPP
TKR-751 is a full blown VHF high band repeater Nothing similar there to the TK-705 or TK-805. The TK-862G is somewhat similar to the TK-805 in that it is a UHF mobile rig. It requires KPG-56D software and the cable that works on the TK-705/805 will also work on the TKR-751 and the TK-862.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
my unit is a mobile and yes the wiring diagram would be awesome i bought my unit from Pacific Aerials in Auckland New Zealand a pretty few years back, they are now however as best i know, not the agents for Kenwood, hence i am trying to locate the software, Marcus On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread wb6dgn
Also, wouldn't Carson's rule mitigate that characteristic? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I would agree with the quality issues, but does that really equate to unintelligibility on any significant scale? Joe M. Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 8/27/2010 8:18

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread wb6dgn
Hey, guys! I'm trying to rewire my workbench area and I can't keep my mind on what I'm doing, thinking about this subject! Where were you guys when I had nothing else to do??? Nuts! Back to the workbench. Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn wb6...@... wrote: Also, wouldn't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread MCH
We were waiting for you to get busy with something else. :-P Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: Hey, guys! I'm trying to rewire my workbench area and I can't keep my mind on what I'm doing, thinking about this subject! Where were you guys when I had nothing else to do??? Nuts! Back to the workbench.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread wb6dgn
We were waiting for you to get busy with something else. :-P Are you trying to tell me I was hogging the board? Sorry, I'll behave! --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: We were waiting for you to get busy with something else. :-P Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: Hey,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread NORM KNAPP
Ok, so you need a mic connector diagram for a Kenwood TK-705. How about a KCT-19 as installed in a 705, or do you just need directions on how to construct a programming cable? - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread james f potter
Rudy, Try Icom's IDAS belive is the commerical version of or close to it D-STAR. Its Analog and digital narrow band. 73,Jim N4NID - Original Message - From: rudy_n2wq To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread Chuck Kelsey
And there is the issue of PL tone. Keep dropping the modulation level and decoding becomes tougher, at least with boards like ComSpec. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6...@att.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:43 PM Subject:

[Repeater-Builder] APRS Digipeater Radio Choice?

2010-08-28 Thread vk4jrc
I am looking to build an APRS Digi on 2 metres. I had considered using a Yaesu FT-1802 radio, but was concerned that the receiver may not work very well on a community RF siite. My other radio of choice could be the Vertex VX-2200 commercial model? Only problem is the audio level requirement

RE: [Repeater-Builder] APRS Digipeater Radio Choice?

2010-08-28 Thread mwbesemer
A Maxtrac would probalby do the job. It takes some work to get it down below 146 MHz though. Check the Repeater Builder website for info. 73, Mike WM4B On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:59 AM, vk4jrc wrote: I am looking to build an APRS Digi on 2 metres. I had considered using a Yaesu

Re: [Repeater-Builder] APRS Digipeater Radio Choice?

2010-08-28 Thread Rick Szajkowski
I like my GE phoenix solid radio .. it has been running APRS in my van and at the repeater for years with no problems .. SOLID radio ... Rick On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:18 AM, mwbese...@cox.net wrote: A Maxtrac would probalby do the job. It takes some work to get it down below 146 MHz

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Kaufman matt...@... wrote: Reducing the modulation index and simultaneously reducing the receiver bandwidth from 5 to 2.5 kHz results in a situation which requires ~6 db more signal level for the same demodulated quality (ex. 12db SINAD)

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread Andrew Seybold
The new repeaters are exactly the same at the older ones, and the older ones are capable of being converted to narrowband with programming, all Motorola and the all are in simulcast mode, we have plotted the differences between one that is wide band and one that is narrowband in over 50

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I would agree with the quality issues, but does that really equate to unintelligibility on any significant scale? - Use of the term 'quality' is based on

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 8/28/2010 7:54 AM, nj902 wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Kaufmanmatt...@... wrote: Reducing the modulation index and simultaneously reducing the receiver bandwidth from 5 to 2.5 kHz results in a situation which requires ~6 db more signal level for the same

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Seybold aseyb...@... wrote: The new repeaters are exactly the same at the older ones, and the older ones are capable of being converted to narrowband with programming, all Motorola and the all are in simulcast mode, we have plotted the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread MCH
N. Just saying Murphy is on the list: If there is a topic you are interested in, it will come up just as you get busy with something else. Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: We were waiting for you to get busy with something else. :-P Are you trying to tell me I was hogging the board? Sorry, I'll

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 8/28/2010 8:38 AM, nj902 wrote: Because a mobile radio really has no way to provide a meaningful delivered audio quality indication, coverage acceptance testing of analog systems is usually done by measuring carrier level at [mobile] locations throughout the system's service area and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Narrowband Range -was- Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread MCH
The same, perhaps not, but wouldn't intelligibility decrease as the quality degrades? Joe M. nj902 wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I would agree with the quality issues, but does that really equate to unintelligibility on any significant scale?

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Kaufman matt...@... wrote: Correct. Which is also why measuring DAQ equivalent this way is pretty much useless for anyplace that has substantial terrain (hills and mountains) or even reflective urban structures that aren't in the center of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread petedcurtis
If you chose to go digital, like P25 then you could also measure BER in your coverage test? This maybe more meaningful. Although many public safety customers will still ask for voice checks as well. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.atwrote: On 8/28/2010

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 8/28/2010 10:13 AM, nj902 wrote: These faded sensitivity targets require significantly greater carrier level to meet a given DAQ value specifically because of the flutter and multipath - which are reasonably well understood and incorporated into a number of predictive algorithms which

[Repeater-Builder] Yeasu FT-8000 Head Wanted

2010-08-28 Thread afa5tp
Hello List, Hope this is not too off-topic, but am trying to locate anyone who might have a Head for a Yeasu FT-8000. Perhaps you have, or know someone who has a Dead radio that could be a parts donor? 73's de Tim W7TRH Wa.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Seeking emergency system design help

2010-08-28 Thread nj902
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, petedcur...@... wrote: If you chose to go digital, like P25 then you could also measure BER in your coverage test? This maybe more meaningful. Although many public safety customers will still ask for voice checks as well.

[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-750 (VHF repeater)

2010-08-28 Thread Dave Schultheis
Hello folks, I have a TKR-850 operating as a UHF repeater and EchoLink/IRLP node. It works great! I have a TKR-750 that I would like to put into service on a simplex frequency. The advertising literature and the service manual both state that it can be used on simplex using only one antenna,

[Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-750 (VHF repeater)

2010-08-28 Thread Juan Tellez
For simplex use, you have to have an external antenna relay. JT De: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Dave Schultheis Enviado el: Sábado, 28 de Agosto de 2010 01:34 p.m. Para: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [Repeater-Builder]

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood TKR-750 (VHF repeater)

2010-08-28 Thread Ken Arck
At 01:47 PM 8/28/2010, Juan Tellez wrote: For simplex use, you have to have an external antenna relay. -Yup. You need an external relay. Checkout RF Parts as they have fairly reasonably priced ones Ken --

[Repeater-Builder] Wouxun Radio

2010-08-28 Thread terry dalpoas
This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wouxun Radio

2010-08-28 Thread mch
They are Part 90 accepted and they work fine in the ham bands if you're talking about the KG-UVD1P Joe M. On Sat 28/08/10 11:29 AM , terry dalpoas km...@yahoo.com sent: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by

[Repeater-Builder] Micor squelch with PL

2010-08-28 Thread terry dalpoas
I have several Micor squelch boards that I plan to use on some future repeater projects. I want the repeaters to be accessed with a PL tone. I will set this up where there has to be a carrier along with PL. If I do this, will I still have the nice sounding Micor squelch, or will the PL

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor squelch with PL

2010-08-28 Thread Eric Lemmon
Terry, Ideally, the Micor squelch should be used in conjunction with the Micor PL decoder, so that you can realize the benefit of reverse-burst squelch tail elimination. The TS-64 does not have reverse-burst STE. You may be able to achieve a satisfactory squelch action by using a short audio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wacom duplexer

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
as best i know the Tk705 and TK805 use the same wiring, i maybe wrong there, but yes i wish to make up a cloning cable to do mike to mike programming, and the wiring diagram to make up a pc program cable for the 705 and 805 as for the KCT-19, i am sorry, my knowledge of Kenwoods is extremely

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wouxun Radio

2010-08-28 Thread Larry K
My family and I have been using them for some time. They are kind of wide on the frontend but we are in the country so no problem there. If you get one get the programming kit also as they are a real pain to program from the keyboard and easy thru the software. Larry WA0VUS

[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT? OT? OT? email notifications

2010-08-28 Thread wb6dgn
Thanks to everyone for your help, I've got the problem solved. The word update is what led me astray. Very much appreciate all the helpful suggestions Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Glenn (Butch) Kanvick hotl...@... wrote: Go into Yahoogroups and uncheck the box that

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor squelch with PL

2010-08-28 Thread terry dalpoas
I do have a few of the PL boards for these, a few even NOS. I think these use the Vibrasponder reeds, which I have a few of these as well. I do like the reverse burst. I take care of a few public safety systems that has that and I like the way they sound. I have decided any repeater I build

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wouxun Radio

2010-08-28 Thread mch
What you say is somewhat true, but last weekend I was with someone who had a Yaesu, and he was picking up all kinds of overload while I was not. Joe M. On Sat 28/08/10 8:06 PM , Larry K wa0...@hughes.net sent: My family and I have been using them for some time. They are kind of wide on

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 750/850 single antenna

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
Thankyou for that Marcus On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Paul Lambert stra...@sbcglobal.netwrote: See page 9 of the service manual or page 10 of the pdf document. I have done this for a TKR-750 and it worked great.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR 750/850 single antenna

2010-08-28 Thread x.tait.tech
small problem i have found, 1, i don't have a manual, no problem you have given me a pdf version 2, problem is you have given me a TKR-750 thats a repeater, i only have a Mobile unit TK705 or TK805 same ship different smoke stack Marcus On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Paul Lambert

[Repeater-Builder] Pyramid VRS to Motorola X9000

2010-08-28 Thread mzfb2001
I am looking for imformation to make a cable to connect a Pyramid VRS to a Motorola Lowband X9000. The print out provided by Pyramid works but its keeps the Pyramid in constant transmit. Thanks for any help in advance Mike