[Repeater-Builder] RP70U and RP71U Service Manual(s)
I have an original Standard (Vertex) RP70U and RP71U service manual and a fairly complete copy of an earlier version of the manual. I have no need of them and will let them go for $10 total including shipping via Priority Mail included. Please contact me off list. fb...@mminternet.com
[Repeater-Builder] GMRS Radio
Anybody have any reviews or maybe a used GMRS radio? I would like a 4 watt radio. Is the FCC doing in with GMRS repeaters? Does anybody have them for sale? Do they make a portable repeater?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Re: VHF REPEATER USING DELTA or RANGR
I used a GE Phoenix for the RX and a Delta (very similar radio) on TX for a GMRS repeater for a while. Worked Excellent. Ran a 100 watt Delta (at 40 watts with no problems. Lashed them together with a NHRC-2 and it sounded great. I did run 2 5 fans on the cooling fins of the Delta. It was up for a couple of years --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: The RANGR was only spec'ed at 5% duty cycle and would not make a very good repeater transmitter. I don't recall the specs on the Delta offhand. Joe M. tomnevue wrote: Has anyone made a VHF repeater using 2 Delta or Rangr radios? Were the results OK? Any unexpected problems? Tom Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Alternative To Hamtronics PCBs?
I have ordered some Hamtronics UHF Tx Rx PCBs to use for building a repeater. Are there any other suppliers who make a similar product that I could buy and make a comparison for performance? Or, should I just stick with the Hamtronics boards, alone? Cheers, Jack. VK4JRC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Radio
google is your friend... Best Regards, Chris Carruba Co-Admin irc.spidernet.org http://www.spidernet.org CompuTec Data Systems Custom Written Software, Networking, Forensic Data Recovery From: Joel joellan...@verizon.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 12:49:48 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Radio Anybody have any reviews or maybe a used GMRS radio? I would like a 4 watt radio. Is the FCC doing in with GMRS repeaters? Does anybody have them for sale? Do they make a portable repeater?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
If you had an irlp box on site, you have a couple options for 'programming' a controller. You can remote into the irlp box as user repeater and make use of the dtmf regen function. This would allow you to send dtmf sequences OUT of the irlp box INTO the controller on the audio input. Or, if your controller uses raw serial data, your could remote into the irlp box and use the terminal program to 'connect' to the controller via serial ports. Good luck Kb0wlf From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 07/08/10 06:36:00
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Yet another option. 930Mhz serial data radios. I found a pair Data Link Group radios on eBay for $100. Would be like plugging it in to the back of your computer. There quite easy to get running. Well over 20miles LOS. And one of my radios was on an omni. I use them for weather stations and camera control. Have fun 73 Ross www.kc7rjk.net http://www.kc7rjk.net/ -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed
Thanks to all who answered, I had to turn my attitude filter on. The info was very useful, I will be looking for the control head as soon as I get time to dive into this project. Rob From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wb6dgn Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:04 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed Bill, The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts... What part of below 150 watts don't you understand? And, yeah, I was off by 25 watts; so sue me! That's irrelevant anyhow, the OP was talking about a 5 or 6 watt station in the first place! The IPA in the RF tray IS the PA for the low power station and it needs feedback for power leveling with variations in line voltage and drive. This is where the low power control head has it's function. Yes, all you need is a voltage divider to provide feedback to trick the low power PA, but in doing so, you forfeit the power leveling features designed into the power control circuitry; NOT a good idea. Like any endeavor, there is the quick way and there is the right way. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Bill jawjabill...@... wrote: I would encourage ya'll to get the proper manual for the vhf msf-5000. The PS puts out 28v and 14v, with the 125 watt and higher pa's needing 28v. The low level drive pa between the two vco's will put our 1 to 9 watts, happier at 2-4 watts. RB website has some msf articles to trick the llpa to a given power out. . . Bill Atlanta . . . . --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Ralph S. Turk w7hsg@ wrote: Looking for more information on the Control Head. I have several CXB's without PA's. I will be using a Micor PA with external circulator. Looking for information on the feed back comming from a MSF PA to the exciter. Ralph - Original Message - From: wb6dgn wb6dgn@ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:55:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF-5000 information needed The TPN1186 power supply provides a high current (approx. 36A.), 13.8 volt source and two lower current 13.8 volt sources, fused at 6.3 amps each. There is also decoupling and filtering on a distribution board which also provides overvoltage and overcurrent protection. Depending on your 12 volt source, you may want to find a parts donor power supply and adapt that distribution board to suit your needs. The lower power (150 watt and below) stations do not use any supply voltage above that 13.8 volts, however. One thing that you will need, however is what Motorola calls the Low Power Control Head. This is a rather deceptive name for a rather simple device that senses forward and reflected power and sends that information to the power control circuitry in the RF tray. This information is normally located on one of the RF amps. (I forgot which) but when the PA's are not used, the control head performs that function. Schematics of the power supplies and the control head should be on Repeater Builder TIP pages or they can be found in most of the MSF service manuals. Good luck, Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Robert Pease robp@ wrote: I was given an MSF-5000 for VHF, without the power supply or the PA, just the rf deck and the control deck. I want to use it for a small on site repeater for linking in an EmCom vehicle. My understanding is that it will put out about 5 watts without the PA. Are there any problems with using it this way and what do I need for DC power, I would love to run it directly off the 12V battery bank that runs the other equipment. I haven't even started looking at it, it is in the garage waiting the time, but with the time approaching I thought I would send our a request and get some info before I jumped on it. Thanks - KS4EC - Rob Robert Pease P No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. Think before you print! Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. . NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
That'd work for me from my home QTH, but not for my other control ops or from my mobile. I'd like to have more than 20 miles range as well. It's an interesting idea though and I do know where I can get my hands on a couple of data radios. Thanks! 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ross Johnson Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Yet another option. 930Mhz serial data radios. I found a pair Data Link Group radios on eBay for $100. Would be like plugging it in to the back of your computer. There quite easy to get running. Well over 20miles LOS. And one of my radios was on an omni. I use them for weather stations and camera control. Have fun 73 Ross www.kc7rjk.net http://www.kc7rjk.net/ -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Alternative To Hamtronics PCBs?
Ramsey used to make some kits, but the quality was not that good. Even the Hamtronics parts are of questionable quality. The only advantage to Hamtronics (I've had a couple) is that you get the satisfaction of building a kit and seeing it (hopefully) work. There is so much surplus quality commercial equipment out there that is far superior to any of the kits in performance and reliability. When narrow banding finally is a requirement after the January 1, 2013 deadline there should be a glut of quality wide band FM radio equipment available. In the most recent issue of MissionCritical magazine Midland has an advertisement for trade-ins that says the following: All radios received for trade-in will be donated to Amateur Radio Organizations across the US helping to build the world's largest emergency response network. We'll see what happens. 73, Joe, K1ike On 7/9/2010 8:11 AM, vk4jrc wrote: I have ordered some Hamtronics UHF Tx Rx PCBs to use for building a repeater. Are there any other suppliers who make a similar product that I could buy and make a comparison for performance? Or, should I just stick with the Hamtronics boards, alone? Cheers, Jack. VK4JRC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF REPEATER USING DELTA or RANGR
On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, tomnevue wrote: Has anyone made a VHF repeater using 2 Delta or Rangr radios? Were the results OK? Any unexpected problems? Yes, two Rangrs. I turn the TX power down to 50W (100W radio) and provide forced-air cooling in an air-conditioned room. No issues noticed other than deviation being low. I used the Mic input for the transmitter and the Audio_PA_Enable line in the control head for the RXCOS line. The radios are handling time-out timer (three minute max :-/) as well as CTCSS reception and generation. This machine has a fairly low duty cycle. In testing, it would back down to 35-40W or so and just stay there when the PTT was wired to ground. Kept it locked in transmit for 24 hours, no real issues noticed (again, at 50W, it backs to about 35W, which is sufficient to keep the heatsink cool). I mounted the radios vertically, with the heatsink up. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics Repeater Boards?
vk4jrc ra...@... wrote: I have ordered some Hamtronics UHF Tx Rx PCBs to use for building a repeater. I'm a big fan of using Hamtronics Products... yes, there are often lower cost surplus commercial radio choices for a more complete end result. Those who demonstrate patience, which took me decades to get a decent handle about applying to myself end up with a very satisfying end result. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/photos/album/1157128983/pic/list Not to mention the wondeful hands-on experience and exposure you receive actually building things. Are there any other suppliers who make a similar product that I could buy and make a comparison for performance? Or, should I just stick with the Hamtronics boards, alone? Sure, Maggiore Electronic Lab offers similar products, of which I'm also an owner and fan of... http://www.hiprorepeaters.com/ Cheers, Jack. VK4JRC Good luck with your project Jack, post pictures of the results when you're done. cheers, s.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] VHF REPEATER USING DELTA or RANGR
They're great radios. I'd strongly recommend a Delta-S (narrowband front end) over a wideband SX or Rangr due to the front end being much tighter. I have many UHF Delta-S's (probably about 60 or 70) on the air, mostly for aux links, and have set up VHF and UHF Deltas as repeater radios, packet nodes, etc. as well. I'd recommend sticking with a low-power radio, and driving an outboard amp if you need significant power. What I usually do is take low-power PA's and transplant them onto the larger heatsink of a high-power radio, run them at low power (like 15 watts or less), and drive an outboard PA. With the big heatsink, no fans required. The highband and UHF radios are extremely stable PA-wise, you can turn them down without a problem. Lowband is another story...they get squirrelly at low power, especially when used out-of-band on 6m. I have probably 50 pages' worth of notes covering all kinds of mods, measurements, etc. that I've done on Deltas over the years, and know them inside-out, so email if you have any specific questions. --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tomnevue Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VHF REPEATER USING DELTA or RANGR Has anyone made a VHF repeater using 2 Delta or Rangr radios? Were the results OK? Any unexpected problems? Tom
RE: [Repeater-Builder] MastrII station stock cards.
I am using a stock audio card and a wild card for the external controller interface. If I unplug the controller, insert one add-on jumper, and insert the stock repeat card, it works as it did from the factory. I have no idea what jumpers are where but I can look. I remember a jumper specifically on the 10V card had to be changed and I even took a picture of it but it is on my computer at home. If no one posts an answer, I will look through my notes and if necessary go look at the repeater and post back tonight or sometime tomorrow. Jamey Wright WR4JW Systems Analyst/EDACS Administrator Morgan County EMCD 911 Decatur, AL 256-552-0911 -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of terry_wx3m Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:00 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MastrII station stock cards. Is there anyone who is running a Mastr II Repeater (not mobile) with the stock repeater audio board and repeater control board? I am looking through manuals and find conflicting info. What jumpers need to be where on the 10 volt reg card? Why would it go into transmit as soon as the repeater control board is plugged it. I am using a TS-32 plug in board. Even with it removed and the squelch open I don't get any audio through on transmit? Thanks Terry Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
At 05:58 AM 07/09/10, you wrote: Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to cross over the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then flip the DIP switch remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Mike, Im thinking along the same lines as what youre saying. I got the manual out and found that I can remotely activate the serial port without having to flip the switch. Id thought of using a relay as well, but wanted to avoid any additional hardware. Both of the CAT ports are in use, but I might be about to parallel the audio into one of the ports to allow DTMF control as well. More to think about why do I get myself into these things?! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to cross over the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then flip the DIP switch remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics Repeater Boards?
Thanks for the info, had a look at the HiProrepeaters WEB site but no manuals etc for the Tx/Rx PCBs, might have to follow that up. I have already ordered 2 diplexers, one from here in Australia, the other from China. Fiddling with them will be an interesting exercise :-) Radios ordered so far are Hamtronics PCBs, 2 Vertex Commercial Transceivers with back to back interface. Have a COR/ID kit coming (Electronic Gadgets) My plan is to build a totally field portable, low power (10w or less) 70cm repeater for limited coverage area use. Test all the bits and compare performance etc. If nothing else, it will be a load of fun! Cheers, Jack. Sent from my Apple iPad Tablet PC On Jul 10, 2010, at 2:58 AM, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote: vk4jrc ra...@... wrote: I have ordered some Hamtronics UHF Tx Rx PCBs to use for building a repeater. I'm a big fan of using Hamtronics Products... yes, there are often lower cost surplus commercial radio choices for a more complete end result. Those who demonstrate patience, which took me decades to get a decent handle about applying to myself end up with a very satisfying end result. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/photos/album/1157128983/pic/list Not to mention the wondeful hands-on experience and exposure you receive actually building things. Are there any other suppliers who make a similar product that I could buy and make a comparison for performance? Or, should I just stick with the Hamtronics boards, alone? Sure, Maggiore Electronic Lab offers similar products, of which I'm also an owner and fan of... http://www.hiprorepeaters.com/ Cheers, Jack. VK4JRC Good luck with your project Jack, post pictures of the results when you're done. cheers, s.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Hi Mike, I think I already answered this. If not let me know.. OK? Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At 05:58 AM 07/09/10, you wrote: Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? Im hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, youve got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (Im thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but dont have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to cross over the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then flip the DIP switch remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Hi Guys, I started a few years back working on a DTMF Keypad locally to program the controllers. I needed to buffer the audio to make it work, but never finished it. Maybe someday I will. There used to be a company the sold a Keypad setup for the CAT Controllers. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, Im thinking along the same lines as what youre saying. I got the manual out and found that I can remotely activate the serial port without having to flip the switch. Id thought of using a relay as well, but wanted to avoid any additional hardware. Both of the CAT ports are in use, but I might be about to parallel the audio into one of the ports to allow DTMF control as well. More to think about why do I get myself into these things?! 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Basically you cross-connect a serial port from the IRLP computer to the CAT controller. Then you remote into the IRLP computer, and you can program the CAT just as if you were local to it. And the serial cable from the IRLP box to the CAT will have to cross over the transmit and receive data lines. I've never used a CAT controller, so have no idea how the remote programming is done. If serial won't work for you , then you can always use the DTMF send feature of the IRLP software to send DTMF strings to one of the receiver audio inputs of the CAT. I helped out on one repeater where the owner had AUX 3 output of the IRLP card wired to a reed relay coil. One armature of the relay was wired to the receiver audio in connection on the repeater controller , the normally closed contact was wired to the repeater receiver audio, the normally open contact was wired to the IRLP sound card output. With AUX3 off the system worked normally, with AUX 3 on it allowed remote programming. As to the serial port on the CAT being active, well, you will have to handle that as a separate project. As I said above, I've never seen a CAT controller in person. Do you have to flip the switch between operating and programing, or can you leave it in the programming enabled position and still have the system usable?? Worst case, use the above idea and use a multiple pole relay, with one pole across the particular section of the DIP switch? Then flip the DIP switch remotely with an AUX output? Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Thanks Ken. this is looking interesting now! On the way to the site in a few minutes to swap out an APRS radio. Gonna have to look around a little! 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Yes there is a DTMF command. Using the CAT-1000 Editor and Communication program. Start the terminal program and send 100 97 and this activiates the RS232 port. Type the password cat1000 and I can send files to and from the controller. I program them off line and then load them. I also use a simple FTP server at the site to transfer files between my home and the site. Here is an attached file that may help you. 73.de Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Kenneth, Can you elaborate on the programming piece? I'm hung up on the fact that to program the CAT-1000 via serial port, you've got to first activate the CAT-1000 serial port via the DIP switch. (I'm thinking there may be a DTMF command to activate the serial port as well, but don't have my manual handy.) 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Cook Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Mike, I use the internet to my repeater site to control everything. Including the AC, Heating, Packet, Alarm System, and controlling/programming the two CAT-1000s on the VHF and UHF repeaters. I am planning on adding IRLP as well as video feeds at the site. I use a program called VNC2. It is the free version and works very well for me. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:32 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Good Luck. Kenneth Cook, W8DZN 5726 Timpson Rd. Caledonia, Ohio 43314 ARRL VE, ARRL Registered, Certified Instructor/Examiner for ECOMM Levels I, II and III IS-22, IS-100, IS-120A, IS-200, IS700, IS-800 and IS -802 Certified. W8DZN Repeaters in Bucyrus, Ohio Repeaters 147.165 PL88.5 442.525 PL88.5 _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:00 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line Thanks Ken. this is looking interesting now! On the way to the site in a few minutes to swap out an APRS radio. Gonna have to look around a little! 73, Mike WM4B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
For about 10 years I have been controlling my repeater using an internet connection. The repeater is 1900 miles away from me. Wireline control is legal for amateur radio! -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:31:52 PM PDT From: Mike Besemer \(WM4B\) mwbese...@cox.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MastrII station stock cards.
For 10v G1 cards. For a non CG station the 10v card jumpers H1-H2 and H3-H9 are present. The audio muting is through jumper H16-H17 and is not present. If no 16-17 jumper then remove Q12 for repeat audio. Q12 is the audio muting transistor for RX1 Mute. That should at least get you started as a carrier squelch station. The repeater PTT comes from the RPT control card in this case. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, terry_wx3m wx3m.te...@... wrote:
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
If you are most familiar controlling over the phone. You might want to consider an analog telephone adapter (ATA), like the Linksys PAP2T. It's a little box that converts the standard telephone RJ-11 to ethernet. From there you can have another on the remote end, or get a DID phone number for a few dollars a year.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line
Yes it is. Care to describe your setup? 73, Mike WM4B ARRL O-O _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JOHN MACKEY Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:15 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line For about 10 years I have been controlling my repeater using an internet connection. The repeater is 1900 miles away from me. Wireline control is legal for amateur radio! -- Original Message -- Received: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:31:52 PM PDT From: Mike Besemer \(WM4B\) mwbese...@cox.net mailto:mwbesemer%40cox.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Control Operator via Other-Than-Phone-Line At our club meeting tonight a discussion came up regarding the cost of the phone line to our 2-meter repeater system. Originally it was there for the Autopatch, but has evolved to being primarily used for me to program the controller (CAT-1000) and to control the system. (The autopatch is rarely used, since everyone carries a cellphone now.) Everyone understands that the phone line is needed for control and programming, but we started toying with other ideas. Specifically, having an Internet connection at the site seemed like it had a lot of potential, but frankly I don't know why! It'd be nice to run an I-Gate from that location (we already have an APRS weather node there), but it's not essential. I could probably use it to monitor the site as well, but that's not really much of a concern either. So, the question is, how can we use Internet to control/program the CAT-1000? We could get Internet at the site for about the same cost as the phone, and if we could use it for repeater control/programming AND the other things I mentioned, it'd be a better deal. Can IRLP be used for control/programming? I'm not familiar with that system whatsoever, but am always willing to learn. 73, Mike WM4B
