Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread John Gleichweit
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition it has all the 'dynamic range' of a concrete block Gary Everything has been

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Curtis
- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Gleichweit Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:26 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Mark
I'm getting ready to send my Teac 7010GSL back for refurbishing. I *STILL* love the sound of 10 1/2 NAB open reel tape... and I *ALWAYS* bought Maxell tape. ;-) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Chris Curtis Eyeing my collection of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 11:26 PM 04/08/09, you wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition it has all the 'dynamic range' of a concrete block

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:44:55 -0700, Mike Morris WA6ILQ BTW, how many folks know that the 1812 Overture (full title: Festival Overture The Year 1812 in E flat major, Opus 49) is about France invading Russia during the Napoleonic Wars? Despite being a staple at July 4th events it has nothing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread no6b
At 4/9/2009 01:44, you wrote: At 11:26 PM 04/08/09, you wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:17:03 -0500, you wrote: yes, remember the claims of 'extended dynamic range' ?? now, producers and 'artists' want every bit to be a '1' look at a current 'hit' with Adobe Audition it has all

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Milt
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Have you read the engineering reports? I used one of the radios and wasn't very impressed (actually I was quite disappointed). And I was a cheerleader

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread wd8chl
- Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Have you read the engineering reports? I used one of the radios and wasn't

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
men...@pa.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Chuck, your experience parallels what many users in Pennsylvania have experienced. The only difference here is that the state continues

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
on outside engineering reports and a few, direct, personal experiences. We'll see what the courts say about it. Chuck - Original Message - From: wd8chl wd8...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
, direct, personal experiences. We'll see what the courts say about it. Chuck - Original Message - From: wd8chl wd8...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? The problem

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
If it's either there or its not is supposedly a problem, you'll never see that go away in digital comms. You can bit-stuff FEC codes by the metric truckload into a signal all day long, but at some point, it just falls out. That's digital. Period. Anyone surprised by this must not be paying

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Jacob Suter
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? If it's either there or its not is supposedly a problem, you'll never see that go away

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Suter Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:47 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? I agree entirely on the RF part of your article

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread wd8chl
Chuck Kelsey wrote: The digital horror stories don't seem to be vendor-related either -- plenty of bad press on both Motorola and Tyco (MA-Com - was GE once upon a time). My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Gary Glaenzer
- Original Message - From: wd8chl To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? And M/A-Com is suing the state because they DID meet the original specs/requirements, and the state

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread wd8chl
Gary Glaenzer wrote: - Original Message - From: wd8chl To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? And M/A-Com is suing the state because they DID meet the original specs

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Mike Dietrich
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Gary Glaenzer wrote: - Original Message - From: wd8chl To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Have you read the engineering reports? I used one of the radios and wasn't very impressed (actually I was quite disappointed). And I was a cheerleader for the system up until then. Chuck And M/A-Com is suing the state because they DID meet the original specs/requirements, and the state is

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-07 Thread Mark
Only if it bears the Rod Blagojevich Seal of Approval (AKA: campaign donation) ;-p Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Gary Glaenzer must be Illinois... - Original Message - From: wd8chl And M/A-Com is suing the state

[Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gareth Bennett (Ihug)
Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings...Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, Jitter and Multipath issues from users that have converted from their legacy Analog systems, etc . The repeater issues (If any)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chris Carruba
, April 6, 2009 5:58:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25 shortcomings. ..Such as Vocoder problems in high noise situations, Jitter and Multipath issues from users

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Jed Barton
...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Carruba Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:30 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Fire Departments in my local area are displeased with the digital systems I have read reports where

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
With new systems, there are usually horror stories. Our county is essentially an ancient lake bottom and is very flat. We will be adding a 5th and possibly a 6th tower to support areas of poor coverage. I consider this a flaw in the original system design for this area. There have also been

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
a...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? With new systems, there are usually horror stories.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mike Dietrich
- From: Gareth Bennett (Ihug) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:58 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Hello Group, As P25 is being rolled out worldwide, I have been hearing many stories regarding P25

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Kris Kirby
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one of them) 20 sites for my county alone. It's

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Mark
Gareth, My state transitioned to a state-wide 700/800 MHz Motorola P25 system about 2 years ago, to replace their VHF High band / VHF Low Band system. So far, there have been a number of both complaints and accolades about the system - and it appears that what you hear depends upon whom you

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread mwbesemer
Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us wrote: On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Chuck Kelsey wrote: My state is a good example of a digital horror story. $3 billion statewide contract with Tyco cancelled for a system that didn't meet State specifications. Two counties built out as a test (my county one

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Paul Plack
Message - From: mwbese...@cox.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: Kris Kirby Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? I've gotta concur with that comment! I was at a 'well known' ham radio store Saturday

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Somehow, at some point, possibly about the time the compact disc was introduced, the world started defining audio quality solely as signal-to-noise ratio. Anyone with a new mobile device

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread AJ
Message - From: Paul Plack To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? Somehow, at some point, possibly about the time the compact disc was introduced

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Gary Glaenzer
not to worry it's 'DIGITAL' and that cures all ills. G - Original Message - From: AJ To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone? It's amazing when talking

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You mean like a digital rectal exam LOL! Chuck - Original Message - From: Gary Glaenzer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?  not to worry it's 'DIGITAL