Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Noel J. Bergman wrote: My idea of collaboration is something *totally* different. It sure can be once you get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with you. Neither of you has the most perfect record on collaboration. Fine. Please drop it and focus on the actual task to be addressed. Sniping at each

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:08, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficien

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is about safe downloading of dependencies from a virtual repository that extends across mirrored systems on a heterogeneous, multi-organizational network. The underlying infrastructure is going to be file based because it will be replicated with rsync. I sure as hell don

RE: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > My idea of collaboration is something *totally* different. > It sure can be once you get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with you. Neither of you has the most perfect record on collaboration. Fine. Please drop it and focus on the actual task to be addressed. Sniping at each other is not go

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I would add one more requirement to above statement - namely "machine-friendly". There is an emerging requirement for application driven downloading that has the potential to significantly exceed the classic browser driven requirements that the ASF is addressing today. This has a direct impac

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 01:08, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > >On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: > > > > > > > >>Jason: > >> > >>I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! > >> > >> > > > >That's because you're at least as def

RE: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an > ideal collaborator. You'll have to bear with me while > I try to make ammends. I will try to bear with you. Let take this at face value: someone admitting to faults, pledging to improve, asking for allowances while making even more mistakes

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
It is usually unwise to mix insults with requests. However, the point of collaboration is not to obtain the civility of a collegial discussion over tea; the point is to accomplish the task. Continual discussion of issues that are not relevant to the task being collaborated upon is not collaborati

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason: I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an i

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 00:35, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Jason: > > I must confess that I am intrigued by your approach to collaboration! That's because you're at least as deficient as I am in the realm of collaboration. Neither you or I are any great shining examples of an ideal collaborator. Yo

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I have challenged you to give me a scenerio that I can't satisfy with something like the current Maven repository. Instead you drone on ad nauseum about the theoretical. Let's have a concrete

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 23:18, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Jason van Zyl wrote: > >I have challenged you to give me a scenerio that I can't satisfy with > >something like the current Maven repository. Instead you drone on ad > >nauseum about the theoretical. Let's have a concrete example. > > > > Ja

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 21:47, Stephen McConnell wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 21:47, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > >> Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are > >> discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) > >> of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and-dried >

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Stephen McConnell
Roy T. Fielding wrote: Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and-dried implementation solution. Some consider this area to be much more than an H

Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Small note - some of the participants on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] are discussing the actual requirements - which from my (and other) point(s) of view go beyond a file-system http protocol cut-and-dried implementation solution. Some consider this area to be much more than an HTTP download handler. I

[Possible Incubation] Apache Repo

2003-11-07 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
- repository and board are CCed - - please reply to general@incubator.apache.org - There is a discussion going on over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the creation of an Apache jar and artifact repository. The discussion is being constructive and is bringing in people from diverse efforts: Maven, Rup