Re: New Apple SuperDrive / CSS

2001-01-26 Thread ilyes 

http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS/paranoia.html

I don't want to roam TOO far afield with this DVD-copying thread, BUT
... I believe this is a most important matter that in one way or another
touches, or will touch, EACH of us who uses a computer or buys
audio/video toys:

I searched google on DeCSS (code to UNscramble CSS or 'content
scrambling system') and came up with many pages of info on it, including
the URL I pasted above.  It describes WHAT DVD-CSS folks are doing, and
WHY.  It should be no surprise that the bottom line is the USUAL bottom
line: more money for themselves and their stockholders; and controlled
-- and fewer -- choices for consumers ... (ah, the glories of megamergers!)

 I myself am involved in service-oriented work, and believe STRONGLY
that if one resonates with another's creative endeavor, one SUPPORTS
that creativity by PAYING MONEY for it.  But when someone buys my book,
I do NOT believe that I should have a right to charge them EVERY TIME
they re-read it, or share it with a friend!  Buy once, own forever ... !

I think DVD/CSS would-be-controllers might well be pinching off their
own noses to spite their faces on this.  Geeks seem to believe that the
new G4/OS X combo (for one) shows much promise a/f/a getting around CSS
restrictions goes -- after all, the G4s were MADE to create/edit
audio/video projects ...  

The forced (unskippable) ads at the beginning of DVDs might be a good
place from wch public resistance to this outrageous and intrusive
arm-twisting might start:  boycott those who advertise on DVDs, and let
the advertiser know why you've decided to be part of a national boycot
against them.  They and the player-designers will get the message, but
first you gotta talk their language ($$$) ... 

 - ilyes


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Re: New Apple SuperDrive Support

2001-01-26 Thread Rich Grenyer 

>http://cryptome.org/jg-wwwcp.htm
>
>thanks, Steve, for the turn-on to this piece ... this is a dangerous
>precedent I, for one, don't want to encourage ... it's another example
>of how the huge transnationals press forward in their determination to
>whittle away at and attempt to restrict and direct consumer choice.


For anyone interested, I'd point them to 
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41142,00.html. I'm not 
sure that anyone will be able to prevent home DVD copying; I 
certainly can't think of a precedent.

Rich



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Re: New Apple SuperDrive Support

2001-01-26 Thread ilyes 

http://cryptome.org/jg-wwwcp.htm

thanks, Steve, for the turn-on to this piece ... this is a dangerous
precedent I, for one, don't want to encourage ... it's another example
of how the huge transnationals press forward in their determination to
whittle away at and attempt to restrict and direct consumer choice.

the best way to NOT support this kind of manipulation is to get the
article above tightened down to a SIMPLE and short piece (ie, here's the
policy, here's what you will and won't be able to do because of it),
then get it 'round the Internet, and encourage folks to NOT buy these
players until they include built-in options for copying.  their pay and
pay and pay-per-view (or per-listen) coercion is UNacceptable, and I
believe if folks were made aware of these up-coming products they'd
decline to buy them, too.  I can't imagine anyone willingly buying in to
this kind of self-censorship once they're aware of the implications.

 - ilyes


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Steve Axthelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't know how this affects data writing/reading, but you might 
want to read this:



"...What is wrong is when companies who make copy-protecting products 
don't disclose the restrictions to the consumers.  Like Apple's 
recent happy-happy web pages on their new DVD-writing drive, 
announced this month (http://www.apple.com/idvd/)..."

>Will Dantz support it?

Eric announced that Dantz would be supporting the drive and that 
"It's a VERY high priority"

-Steve

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At 11:53 -0500 1/25/01, Parthenon West wrote:
>Apple is now installing the Pioneer DVR-A03 DVD recorder in it's 
>machines.  I've read a lot of articles about the drive, but NO ONE 
>mentions burning computer data on it, just music and movies!


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Re: New Apple SuperDrive Support

2001-01-25 Thread Steve Axthelm 

At 11:53 -0500 1/25/01, Parthenon West wrote:
>Apple is now installing the Pioneer DVR-A03 DVD recorder in it's 
>machines.  I've read a lot of articles about the drive, but NO ONE 
>mentions burning computer data on it, just music and movies!

I don't know how this affects data writing/reading, but you might 
want to read this:



"...What is wrong is when companies who make copy-protecting products 
don't disclose the restrictions to the consumers.  Like Apple's 
recent happy-happy web pages on their new DVD-writing drive, 
announced this month (http://www.apple.com/idvd/)..."

>Will Dantz support it?

Eric announced that Dantz would be supporting the drive and that 
"It's a VERY high priority"

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New Apple SuperDrive Support

2001-01-25 Thread Parthenon West 

Hi,

I am new to the list, but am a longtime retrospect user, having 
worked on it for hundreds of hours over the last 6 years.

Apple is now installing the Pioneer DVR-A03 DVD recorder in it's 
machines.  I've read a lot of articles about the drive, but NO ONE 
mentions burning computer data on it, just music and movies!  It is 
driving me crazy.  So what about this drive?  Can computer data be 
written on it and then read by a computer.  Will this drive be the 
standard for data dvds into the future.  Anyone know anything?  Will 
Dantz support it?

Thanks for any info,

Scott

See:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/CDA/Industrial/IndustrialProductDetails/0,1444,1718,00.html


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Re: SuperDrive

2001-01-16 Thread matt barkdull 

>on 1/15/01 10:05, Eric Ullman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Great news! I can live with a delay as the beast ain't shipping for 7-10
>weeks anyway :-(
>
>Thanks Eric.

hehe, so who will get their first... Dantz or you.  ;)



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Re: SuperDrive

2001-01-16 Thread Curtis Burns 

on 1/15/01 10:05, Eric Ullman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Great news! I can live with a delay as the beast ain't shipping for 7-10
weeks anyway :-(

Thanks Eric.

> Hi Curtis,
> 
> It's a VERY high priority. We're working with Apple on this now.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Eric Ullman
> Dantz Development

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Re: SuperDrive

2001-01-15 Thread Eric Ullman 

Hi Curtis,

It's a VERY high priority. We're working with Apple on this now.

Best regards,

Eric Ullman
Dantz Development


Curtis Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just ordered one of the new G4s...ummm ;-)
> 
> Any word from Dantz regarding support of the SuperDrive DV-R/CDRW device?



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SuperDrive

2001-01-13 Thread Curtis Burns 

Just ordered one of the new G4s...ummm ;-)

Any word from Dantz regarding support of the SuperDrive DV-R/CDRW device?

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Re: Imation superdrive and Retro Express

2000-01-25 Thread Robin Bateman 

Hi Matthew

The iMAC came with OS 9 and I used the version of express (4.1) that came
with the superdrive

I'll pop back there with the update

thanks for the help

Robin



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> From: Matthew Tevenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:42:56 -0800
> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Imation superdrive and Retro Express
> 
> Robin,
> 
> Did you just update to Mac OS 9? Anyone doing backups to removable disks
> with Retrospect or Retrospect Express under Mac OS 9 _MUST_ update to
> Retrospect 4.2 or Retrospect Express 4.1E (respectively) for best
> compatibility.
> 
> These updates are available at
> 
> <http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=updates>
> 
> (Users with versions of Retrospect proper older than 4.1 must purchase the
> upgrade to 4.2. Contact our Customer Service Department at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 800.982.9980 within the U.S.)
> 
> If this doesn't help, please contact tech support directly.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthew Tevenan
> Technical Support Specialist
> Dantz Development Corporation
> 925.253.3050 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>> From: Robin Bateman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:59:53 +0000
>> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Imation superdrive and Retro Express
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this/got an answer?
>> 
>> New iMAC with Imation superdrive and bundled copy of retro express
>> 
>> run a backup and what happens is the disk is spat out and I get the
>> following message in the log
>> 
>> Trouble Writing "XXX" (71139328) error 100 (device rejected command)
>> 
>> I don't think it it the disk (media) as I tried 3 brand new 120 Mb
>> superdisks
>> 
>> Anyone seen this?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Robin Bateman
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Topology UK LtdTel: +44 (1494) 539991
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>> IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others are by
>> far the most popular, with about 70 million
>> machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the
>> other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more
>> numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not
>> denote a higher life form."
>> 
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Re: Imation superdrive and Retro Express

2000-01-25 Thread Matthew Tevenan 

Robin,

Did you just update to Mac OS 9? Anyone doing backups to removable disks
with Retrospect or Retrospect Express under Mac OS 9 _MUST_ update to
Retrospect 4.2 or Retrospect Express 4.1E (respectively) for best
compatibility.

These updates are available at

<http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=updates>

(Users with versions of Retrospect proper older than 4.1 must purchase the
upgrade to 4.2. Contact our Customer Service Department at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or 800.982.9980 within the U.S.)

If this doesn't help, please contact tech support directly.

Regards,

Matthew Tevenan
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Dantz Development Corporation
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> From: Robin Bateman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:59:53 +
> To: retro-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Imation superdrive and Retro Express
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Has anyone seen this/got an answer?
> 
> New iMAC with Imation superdrive and bundled copy of retro express
> 
> run a backup and what happens is the disk is spat out and I get the
> following message in the log
> 
> Trouble Writing "XXX" (71139328) error 100 (device rejected command)
> 
> I don't think it it the disk (media) as I tried 3 brand new 120 Mb
> superdisks
> 
> Anyone seen this?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Robin Bateman
> 
> 
> 
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> far the most popular, with about 70 million
> machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the
> other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more
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Imation superdrive and Retro Express

2000-01-25 Thread Robin Bateman 

Hi All

Has anyone seen this/got an answer?

New iMAC with Imation superdrive and bundled copy of retro express

run a backup and what happens is the disk is spat out and I get the
following message in the log

Trouble Writing "XXX" (71139328) error 100 (device rejected command)

I don't think it it the disk (media) as I tried 3 brand new 120 Mb
superdisks

Anyone seen this?

TIA

Robin Bateman



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far the most popular, with about 70 million
machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the
other hand, may note that cockroaches are far more
numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not
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