Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-05 Thread liebrecht

That's an honest answer. Thanks

I completely  understand the challenge and will continue with three 
separate commands.



On 2020-08-05 15:49, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

On 8/5/20 3:04 AM, Alexandre DENIS wrote:


My understanding is that the OP wants it to be written as a single
event with all 3 values at once, and then rosegarden sends the 3
low-level events by itself. AFAIK it is not supported.


I intended to add support for that many years ago, but Rosegarden's
foundation architecture was designed in a way that made the problem
very difficult to solve, and I never did. I'm afraid I've lost the
details to time.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-05 Thread liebrecht

That is exactly correct. You summarized the problem perfectly.

I would expect that Rosegarden would handle standard midi constructs 
like 128x128 byte arrays as is common with midi as  a single command as 
it is a fixed midi construct and wont change except for array size.


The MSB/LSB/value is nothing else than a 128x128 array with values in 
the array.


Therefore it was logical for me to expect  Rosegarden to have single 
commands for known stable midi constructs that wont go away and is 
basically permanent.


Therefopre I expected in this day and age to see something like

Event:
controller   LSB MSB Value

is the standar as a single event edit and executed serially.

It makes management of patch changes so much easier rfather than to 
enter a trinity of serial events.

 .
I strongly suggest that this and other fixed constructs be made 
available as single events edits to be programmed.
It makes it cumbersome to require the user to enter separate events to 
build a construct such as my example shows.


So, now that I know Rosegarden does events without constructs (examples 
didnt seem to be like that and which confused me) I know where I made 
the wrong assumption.


It will be way more tedious and difficult ro manage, but I will enter 
the patch changes as serial commands.


Thanks.




On 2020-08-05 03:04, Alexandre DENIS wrote:

On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 17:18:31 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:


My interpretation of Alexandre's post below is you create separate
events for each value to send - two CC events to set the MSB and LSB
values, then a Program Change.

That would send three succesive MIDI values, yes?


Yes, it's doable with separate events. It is a single logical event
(programm change with bank), that is sent as 3 MIDI events.

My understanding is that the OP wants it to be written as a single
event with all 3 values at once, and then rosegarden sends the 3
low-level events by itself. AFAIK it is not supported.

It it the same with RPNs/NRPNs which have to be sent as a list of MIDI
CCs and are not directly supported in rosegarden.

-a.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-05 Thread D. Michael McIntyre

On 8/5/20 3:04 AM, Alexandre DENIS wrote:


My understanding is that the OP wants it to be written as a single
event with all 3 values at once, and then rosegarden sends the 3
low-level events by itself. AFAIK it is not supported.


I intended to add support for that many years ago, but Rosegarden's 
foundation architecture was designed in a way that made the problem very 
difficult to solve, and I never did. I'm afraid I've lost the details to 
time.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-05 Thread Alexandre DENIS
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 17:18:31 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:

> My interpretation of Alexandre's post below is you create separate
> events for each value to send - two CC events to set the MSB and LSB
> values, then a Program Change.
> 
> That would send three succesive MIDI values, yes?

Yes, it's doable with separate events. It is a single logical event
(programm change with bank), that is sent as 3 MIDI events.

My understanding is that the OP wants it to be written as a single
event with all 3 values at once, and then rosegarden sends the 3
low-level events by itself. AFAIK it is not supported.

It it the same with RPNs/NRPNs which have to be sent as a list of MIDI
CCs and are not directly supported in rosegarden.

-a.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread David W. Jones



My interpretation of Alexandre's post below is you create separate events for 
each value to send - two CC events to set the MSB and LSB values, then a 
Program Change.

That would send three succesive MIDI values, yes?

Knowing nothing about this level of MIDI, I'm just trying to make sense of 
things and hope it helps.

On August 4, 2020 4:04:47 PM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>I will make it easier to understand
>I want to send data as follows see the image below.
>What is in red I want to have sent.
>There is no way to configure an event to do this, although the 3 word 
>instruction is standard for synths, but Rosegarden has all 3 the fields
>
>but there is no way in the editor I can enter all three values.
>The event editor only allows me to enter the first two values.
>
>That is the problem.
>How do I get around this ?
>
>"https://i.imgur.com/uDXF9Py.png;
>
>
>On 2020-08-04 05:24, Alexandre DENIS wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400
>> liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to
>>> any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi
>commands.
>>> Dont worry about the values I have them all covere.
>>> 
>>> My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it
>plays
>>> that patch rfor the entire patch
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three
>>> values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.
>>> 
>>> The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also
>>> dont allow the third value.
>>> 
>>> It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how
>>> to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event
>>> editor namely
>>> 
>>> Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)
>>> 
>>> "https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;
>>> 
>>> Or ANY way to send three successive midi values
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data:
>> -- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB
>> -- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB
>> -- Program Change for Number.
>> 
>> -a.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread liebrecht

I will make it easier to understand
I want to send data as follows see the image below.
What is in red I want to have sent.
There is no way to configure an event to do this, although the 3 word 
instruction is standard for synths, but Rosegarden has all 3 the fields 
but there is no way in the editor I can enter all three values.

The event editor only allows me to enter the first two values.

That is the problem.
How do I get around this ?

"https://i.imgur.com/uDXF9Py.png;





On 2020-08-04 05:24, Alexandre DENIS wrote:

On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:


I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to
any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi commands.
Dont worry about the values I have them all covere.

My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it plays
that patch rfor the entire patch

Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three
values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.

The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also
dont allow the third value.

It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how
to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event
editor namely

Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)

"https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;

Or ANY way to send three successive midi values




Hello,

You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data:
-- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB
-- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB
-- Program Change for Number.

-a.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread liebrecht

Thank you very much for the response.

I need to send always
MSB 36
LSB 0
Value 0-127

This is correct and I change patches every day using that on Midiox 
under wine. I dont know where you get the other MSB,LSB numbers from.


My problem is NOT the number values.

My problem is how to create an event in Rosegarden.
It is completely nonintuitive and I have no clue how to send MSB then 
LSB then Value in succession as the Event Editor does not allow three 
numbers to be sent in an event. Only two.


Can the event editor be configured to execute a bash script or an 
executable as an event ?
that way i can get rid of the Rosegarden event editor that is too 
restrictive and I can trigger any  midi comaand set I please.


Again, my issue is how to make the event editor set up to send 3 values 
in succession per event and NOT the values itself. The values I know 
what works.

I need to create an arbitrary event that
A) Sends three values in succession
B) Persists for entire tracki.
thats all.

Again my problem is with the editor not the values themselves.

thanks




On 2020-08-04 05:24, Alexandre DENIS wrote:

On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:


I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to
any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi commands.
Dont worry about the values I have them all covere.

My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it plays
that patch rfor the entire patch

Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three
values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.

The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also
dont allow the third value.

It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how
to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event
editor namely

Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)

"https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;

Or ANY way to send three successive midi values




Hello,

You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data:
-- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB
-- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB
-- Program Change for Number.

-a.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread Alexandre DENIS
On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:

> I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to
> any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi commands.
> Dont worry about the values I have them all covere.
> 
> My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it plays 
> that patch rfor the entire patch
> 
> Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three 
> values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.
> 
> The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also 
> dont allow the third value.
> 
> It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how
> to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event
> editor namely
> 
> Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)
> 
> "https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;
> 
> Or ANY way to send three successive midi values
> 
>

Hello,

You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data:
-- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB
-- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB
-- Program Change for Number.

-a.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread liebrecht
I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to any 
patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi commands. Dont 
worry about the values I have them all covere.


My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it plays 
that patch rfor the entire patch


Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three 
values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.


The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also 
dont allow the third value.


It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how to 
edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event editor 
namely


Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)

"https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;

Or ANY way to send three successive midi values






On 2020-08-04 03:49, Hugo van Galen wrote:

e.g. in my cae it would be
controller  63 1 1
which would set the first patch.

Does this look right ??


That message looks good to me.

BUT -- I am not familiar with the Motif unit, but I quickly downloaded
the manual. In the MIDI section I do not see controller 63 documented,
but on page 44 does reveal it supports the Bank Select MSB/LSB which
affects how the Program Change messages get interpreted. I wonder if
you should be sending that instead? If my understanding is correct, if
you would want the first instrument of the "Normal Voice Preset" you
would send a Bank Select MSB of value "63", a Bank Select LSB of value
"0" and then a Program Change with value "0".
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread Hugo van Galen
>
>
> e.g. in my cae it would be
> controller  63 1 1
> which would set the first patch.
>
> Does this look right ??
>

That message looks good to me.

BUT -- I am not familiar with the Motif unit, but I quickly downloaded the
manual. In the MIDI section I do not see controller 63 documented, but on
page 44 does reveal it supports the Bank Select MSB/LSB which affects how
the Program Change messages get interpreted. I wonder if you should be
sending that instead? If my understanding is correct, if you would want the
first instrument of the "Normal Voice Preset" you would send a Bank Select
MSB of value "63", a Bank Select LSB of value "0" and then a Program Change
with value "0".
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread liebrecht

Just want to add to my last response this:

In the event editor, it seems I need to add a Controller event
Controller  Type(data1) Type(data2) Type(Value)
as is used in some of the commands here.
"https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;


e.g. in my cae it would be
controller  63 1 1
which would set the first patch.

Does this look right ??


--Previous message
Ok I know exactly what to send to the motif and can send either hex 
commands or decimal  (MSB,LSB,Number)
What I just cannot figure out is how to enter (MSB,LSB,Number) at the 
start of a track so that it is sent.
I t can send these commands on waht rosegarden on  the same midi 
connection. There is no need to use the other midi connections.


So if someone can point me to how to enter this on a track in 
Rosegarden, i should be done.
I just cannot find the midi track functionality by right clicking on the 
track you are all describing.



On 2020-08-03 15:52, Will Godfrey wrote:
In Rosegarden you can embed any MIDI controller into any segment of any 
track.


The most precise way to do this is using the Event editor, where you 
can set
the controller number, it's value and its time within the segment 
(doesn't have
to be at the start). Whenever such a segment is seen by the playing 
cursor,

it's commands will be actioned.

Bear in mind the majority of Controllers are channel specific, so if 
you have
several tracks that are active all pointing to the same channel, then 
all

controls will be sent in order if the timeline reaches them.

If you start playing part way through, then the embedded controllers 
*before*

that point won't be seen.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread liebrecht
Ok I know exactly what to send to the motif and can send either hex 
commands or decimal  (MSB,LSB,Number)
What I just cannot figure out is how to enter (MSB,LSB,Number) at the 
start of a track so that it is sent.
I t can send these commands on waht rosegarden on  the same midi 
connection. There is no need to use the other midi connections.


So if someone can point me to how to enter this on a track in 
Rosegarden, i should be done.
I just cannot find the midi track functionality by right clicking on the 
track you are all describing.



On 2020-08-03 15:52, Will Godfrey wrote:
In Rosegarden you can embed any MIDI controller into any segment of any 
track.


The most precise way to do this is using the Event editor, where you 
can set
the controller number, it's value and its time within the segment 
(doesn't have
to be at the start). Whenever such a segment is seen by the playing 
cursor,

it's commands will be actioned.

Bear in mind the majority of Controllers are channel specific, so if 
you have
several tracks that are active all pointing to the same channel, then 
all

controls will be sent in order if the timeline reaches them.

If you start playing part way through, then the embedded controllers 
*before*

that point won't be seen.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-03 Thread liebrecht

I will try to get this programmed.
If it works it will be absolutely great.

In patchage, rosegarden shows external controller routable midi.
I guess that is what I need to use to send commands to the Motif Synth 
which is available below it in 4 channels.

See
"https://i.imgur.com/yszHYQh.png;

I will have to read up the manual to try and configure the correct midi 
commands in the event list




On 2020-08-03 15:52, Will Godfrey wrote:
In Rosegarden you can embed any MIDI controller into any segment of any 
track.


The most precise way to do this is using the Event editor, where you 
can set
the controller number, it's value and its time within the segment 
(doesn't have
to be at the start). Whenever such a segment is seen by the playing 
cursor,

it's commands will be actioned.

Bear in mind the majority of Controllers are channel specific, so if 
you have
several tracks that are active all pointing to the same channel, then 
all

controls will be sent in order if the timeline reaches them.

If you start playing part way through, then the embedded controllers 
*before*

that point won't be seen.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-03 Thread Will Godfrey
In Rosegarden you can embed any MIDI controller into any segment of any track.

The most precise way to do this is using the Event editor, where you can set
the controller number, it's value and its time within the segment (doesn't have
to be at the start). Whenever such a segment is seen by the playing cursor,
it's commands will be actioned.

Bear in mind the majority of Controllers are channel specific, so if you have
several tracks that are active all pointing to the same channel, then all
controls will be sent in order if the timeline reaches them.

If you start playing part way through, then the embedded controllers *before*
that point won't be seen.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-03 Thread liebrecht
So what you say is if I have say five tracks and each has midi commands 
configured like youi describe, then if I played one track and then 
switch to another, it is not going to send the midi commands 
pre-configured for the new track when I play the new one.

  ?
If I understand you correctly that is the case.
Then I dont even know why these right click midi commands are there as 
it is useless as it only executes at program start not when you play a 
track.


Do I understand you right?

I need the midi commands sent for a specific track when I play the 
track.



On 2020-08-03 07:25, Hugo van Galen wrote:

If you right click on a track you can choose the "Event List Editor".
There you can insert the Program Change or Controller messages that
are specific to your synth to select the correct patch.  You obviously
insert these before all the other events.

However, Rosegarden will only send them at the start of the song
though (or rather, at the timestamp configured) -- not when you select
the track. Perhaps that is what you are looking for, though?  It is
even possible to change the patch halfway through the song to select a
different instrument.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Hugo




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-03 Thread Hugo van Galen
If you right click on a track you can choose the "Event List Editor". There
you can insert the Program Change or Controller messages that are specific
to your synth to select the correct patch.  You obviously insert these
before all the other events.

However, Rosegarden will only send them at the start of the song though (or
rather, at the timestamp configured) -- not when you select the track.
Perhaps that is what you are looking for, though?  It is even possible to
change the patch halfway through the song to select a different instrument.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Hugo

On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 10:50,  wrote:

> It would be nice to read it, sounds like what I need, but the link does
> not work
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On 2020-08-01 03:37, dgenon--- via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> > ‌On 31/07/20 03:46, liebrecht@... wrote:
> >>> it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller
> >>> from Rosegarden once a track is selected..
> >
> > ‌I was able to add undefined control codes in Rosegarden to drive
> > the portamento of ZynAddSubFx. If this is the operation you want to
> > do, I wrote an article in this French "LinuxMao" site, here:
> > http://linuxmao.org/Zynaddsubfx+-+%C3%A9changes+MIDI+avec+Rosegarden.
> > voir le paragraphe :
> >
> > -Entrer de nouveaux codes contrôles dans RoseGarden-
> > -Enter new control codes in RoseGarden.-
> >
> > I hope you will find a clue there.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-01 Thread liebrecht
It would be nice to read it, sounds like what I need, but the link does 
not work

Thanks



On 2020-08-01 03:37, dgenon--- via Rosegarden-user wrote:

‌On 31/07/20 03:46, liebrecht@... wrote:

it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller
from Rosegarden once a track is selected..


‌I was able to add undefined control codes in Rosegarden to drive
the portamento of ZynAddSubFx. If this is the operation you want to
do, I wrote an article in this French "LinuxMao" site, here:
http://linuxmao.org/Zynaddsubfx+-+%C3%A9changes+MIDI+avec+Rosegarden.
voir le paragraphe :

-Entrer de nouveaux codes contrôles dans RoseGarden-
-Enter new control codes in RoseGarden.-

I hope you will find a clue there.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-01 Thread dgenon--- via Rosegarden-user
‌On 
31/07/20 03:46, liebrecht@... wrote:
 it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller
 from Rosegarden once a track is selected..

‌I was able 
to add undefined control codes in Rosegarden to drive the portamento of 
ZynAddSubFx. If this is the operation you want to do, I 
wrote an article in this French "LinuxMao" site, here:
http://linuxmao.org/Zynaddsubfx+-+%C3%A9changes+MIDI+avec+Rosegarden.;>http://linuxmao.org/Zynaddsubfx+-+%C3%A9changes+MIDI+avec+Rosegarden.
voir le paragraphe :

-Entrer de nouveaux codes contrôles dans RoseGarden-
-Enter new 
control codes in RoseGarden.-

I hope you 
will find a clue there.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-07-31 Thread liebrecht

I will make it simple.

1) I have a Motif XS8 synth or any other synt e.g
2) I have a midi lookup table by which I can send midi commands I have 
to the synth to change the patches on the synth. (e.g from piano to 
flute or whatever).

3) I have Rosegarden tracks each that has recorded synth midi in them.
4) Each track however requires a different patch on the synth for 
playback


What I require is
1) When I solo one of the midi tracks in Rosegarden, then Rosegarden 
should sen my supplied midi commands to the synth so that the track is 
played back on the synth with the correct patch change on the synth.


More simple I cannot describe it.

Can Rosegarden be configured to send such track dependent predefined 
midi commands unique for each track to the synth?


Obviously this must be done on a separate midi connection from the 
standard Rosegarden midi which plays back midi tracks flawlessly on my 
synth.


At the moment I have to go select the correct patch on the synth if I 
want to play back a track .. cumbersome.





On 2020-07-31 02:56, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

On 31/07/20 03:46, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
Is it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller 
from Rosegarden once a track is selected?


It would be great if I select a track in Rosegarden and it can then 
send the midi data to my Motif XS8 to select the required patch.


All I want to know if custom Midi commands to a specified midi 
controller can be sent from Rosegarden. I will program the rest to get 
it to work on Motif.


What exactly do you mean by MIDI 'commands'? Are these MIDI 
controllers? SysEx?


Rosegarden can definitely send controllers.

Lorenzo.



Thanks.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-07-31 Thread Will Godfrey
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:56:29 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

>On 31/07/20 03:46, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>> Is it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller 
>> from Rosegarden once a track is selected?
>> 
>> It would be great if I select a track in Rosegarden and it can then send 
>> the midi data to my Motif XS8 to select the required patch.
>> 
>> All I want to know if custom Midi commands to a specified midi 
>> controller can be sent from Rosegarden. I will program the rest to get 
>> it to work on Motif.  
>
>What exactly do you mean by MIDI 'commands'? Are these MIDI controllers? 
>SysEx?
>
>Rosegarden can definitely send controllers.
>
>Lorenzo.

... and it lets you build up NRPNs as discrete CCs

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Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-07-31 Thread Lorenzo Sutton

On 31/07/20 03:46, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
Is it possible to send cujstom midi commands to a specific controller 
from Rosegarden once a track is selected?


It would be great if I select a track in Rosegarden and it can then send 
the midi data to my Motif XS8 to select the required patch.


All I want to know if custom Midi commands to a specified midi 
controller can be sent from Rosegarden. I will program the rest to get 
it to work on Motif.


What exactly do you mean by MIDI 'commands'? Are these MIDI controllers? 
SysEx?


Rosegarden can definitely send controllers.

Lorenzo.



Thanks.


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