Re: [rrg] LISP does not implement Locator / Identity Separation

2010-03-09 Thread Damien Saucez
Hannu, Dino, On 09 Mar 2010, at 07:53, Dino Farinacci wrote: >> Hello Dino >> >> Just a remark that in the mapping system discussions in the lisp list >> the strong sentiment is that EIDs must be allocated and administered as > > That is not my sentiment. ;-) > > A site may have to request mor

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Patrick Frejborg
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > I think you're neglecting what is actually happening now, which > is a (semi) permanent shift to a dual stack routing network > with various forms of multiprotocol interworking, including > but by no means limited to v6/v4 packet level

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Tom Vest
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2010-03-09 00:21, Tom Vest wrote: >> On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> From: Tony Li IPv4 is done. Over. Cooked. Fully toast. It will either enter a black market where we deaggregate and no proposal will

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Fleischman, Eric
>From: rrg-boun...@irtf.org [mailto:rrg-boun...@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Vest >To: Brian E Carpenter >Cc: RRG; Noel Chiappa > >> IPv4-only providers will indeed end up as dinosaurs. Funny, really, >> that it's the incumbent carriers who seem to be at the lowest risk of >> this. >> >> Brian

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Scott Brim
Russ White allegedly wrote on 03/07/2010 20:57 EST: > A second thing might be to address mobility. How does each proposal deal > with host level mobility, since this is obviously a direction in the > Internet at large (whether we like it or not, mobile phones and other > such devices are going to r

Re: [rrg] LISP does not implement Locator / Identity Separation

2010-03-09 Thread Scott Brim
Robin Whittle allegedly wrote on 03/07/2010 22:00 EST: > An EID address is not an Identifier and an RLOC > address is not a Locator. Both kinds of address > are like any IP address - they play the roles of > both Identifier and Lo

[rrg] 2 Possible Consensus Items

2010-03-09 Thread RJ Atkinson
All, I'd like to probe for consensus on 2 general statements, which are listed below. NOTE WELL: 1) This is a personal note, so results are neither official nor binding on anyone. 2) Edits, corrections, and discussion are all out-of-scope. (The RG Chairs might choose to hold an offici

[rrg] UPDATE: 2 Possible Consensus Items

2010-03-09 Thread RJ Atkinson
Someone more clever than I suggested setting up a Doodle poll for this. I've done so at the URL below. Please use that instead, as it makes counting more obvious. With Doodle, please only select the box if you are voting "YES" on that statement. If one disagrees with both, select the box u

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Templin, Fred L
Scott, > -Original Message- > From: rrg-boun...@irtf.org [mailto:rrg-boun...@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Scott > Brim > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM > To: Russ White > Cc: RRG > Subject: Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next > > Russ White allegedly wrote on 03/07/2010 20:5

Re: [rrg] IRON-RANGER scalability and support for packets from non-upgraded networks

2010-03-09 Thread Robin Whittle
Hi Fred, You wrote: >> I don't understand the mechanisms by which potentially very large >> numbers of IRON routers repeatedly and continually register with >> potentially multiple VP routers. These IRON routers could be >> anywhere and so could the VP routers. In that message, the most I >> ca

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Robin Whittle
Short version: TL: Again, we've been trying to have that debate for three years. RW: I believe you have not contributed much to the debate. TL: The feeling is mutual. Tony give

Re: [rrg] LISP does not implement Locator / Identity Separation

2010-03-09 Thread Robin Whittle
Short version: One of the most important benefits of the "LISP" architecture (or any other CES architecture) is that it does *not* involve hosts using "Locator / Identifier Separation". I suggest renaming the "LISP" architecture

Re: [rrg] Ivip IDs updated

2010-03-09 Thread Robin Whittle
I have updated the Ivip-arch ID to cover the new Distributed Real Time Mapping (DRTM) system. This is very different from the system Ivip used until recently. It does not require any server hold the entire mapping database, or involve a single globally coordinated mapping distribution system. As

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Tony Li
Hi Robin, > I regard your unexplained dismissal of my contributions to the RRG - > and to the report you and Lixia are primarily responsible for - as > ungracious, unfounded and unbecoming of the position of IRTF Chair. You're right, I apologize. Tony

Re: [rrg] Recommendation and what happens next

2010-03-09 Thread Robin Whittle
Here's a revised last few words for a paragraph in my previous message in this thread: I regard your unexplained dismissal of my contributions to the RRG - and to the report you and Lixia are primarily responsible for - as ungracious, unfounded and unbecoming of the position of co-chair. and some