Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac is down

2016-12-18 Thread William Stein
The trac website is up for me and my uptimerobot monitor hasn't shown any downtime. On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM Maxie Schmidt wrote: > The trac server ssh and website are still down when I check them as well. > > > On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:06:38 AM UTC-6, Ralf

[sage-devel] stickers; jmm

2016-12-13 Thread William Stein
We just designed and ordered a wide range of 2,400 stickers for the SageMath booth at the upcoming Joint Mathematics Meetings in Atlanta, Georgia. -- William and Harald -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel"

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage for Windows installer (take 2)

2016-12-10 Thread William Stein
Here's a turtle graphics implementation. It should be to adapt any notebook... https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/4a5f0542-5873-4eed-a85c-a18c706e8bcd/files/support/2014-12-12-turtle/Sage%20Turtle%20via%20JSXGraph.sagews ---

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Python Debugging / Using PUDB with Sage

2016-12-09 Thread William Stein
And if you do "sage -sh" first, then it'll use a different pudb installed into sage. (sorry for spamming the list) On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:19 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, pudb is now pre-installed systemwide so `pip install pudb` is no > longer need

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Python Debugging / Using PUDB with Sage

2016-12-09 Thread William Stein
Also, pudb is now pre-installed systemwide so `pip install pudb` is no longer needed On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:16 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:58 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:07 AM

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Python Debugging / Using PUDB with Sage

2016-12-09 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Maxie Schmidt wrote: > For the sake of completeness, I'm adding a link to a SMC wiki tutorial on > using PUDB with Sage (for both local source installs and within the SMC > terminal application): >

Re: [sage-devel] inconsistent Sagemath doc licenses - a fix is needed

2016-12-08 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > As pointed out in > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/n0B16q4h2c8/iHhDLRD5BwAJ > various places in src/doc/ mention different (incompatible, according to > Debian people) licenses > for the documentation. > > We

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing Sage external packages (was: Giving back to the community)

2016-12-07 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Travis Scrimshaw wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-6, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> On 2016-12-07 14:52, Kwankyu Lee wrote: >> > What do you think? >> >> Why do this? I guess this will mostly lead to bitrotting code

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing Sage external packages (was: Giving back to the community)

2016-12-07 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Kwankyu Lee wrote: > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:41:32 PM UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> >> Why do this? I guess this will mostly lead to bitrotting code that would >> better be merged into Sage. > > > It seems a nice way to share

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage for Windows installer (take 2)

2016-12-07 Thread William Stein
Hi, I tried some random benchmarks and things look pretty good -- nothing I tried was disturbingly slow -- even pexpect is reasonable. Doing plot(sin) in a terminal claims to launch a png viewer, but doesn't do anything, so maybe you can add that to your todo list. William On Wed, Dec 7, 2016

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Indexing Sage external packages (was: Giving back to the community)

2016-12-07 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > On 2016-12-07 14:52, Kwankyu Lee wrote: >> >> What do you think? > > > Why do this? I guess this will mostly lead to bitrotting code that would > better be merged into Sage. "According to the CRAN website, Currently,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: three.js on 7.5 beta 5: cpu...

2016-12-04 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 10:34:50 PM UTC, Paul Masson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:30:36 PM UTC-8, William wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Paul Masson

Re: [sage-devel] Re: devising a speed comparison test between different types

2016-12-04 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Ralf Stephan <> wrote: “Both ZZ and numpy use libgmp internally “ No, ZZ uses libgmp (actually really MPIR, which is a fork of GMP), and numpy uses Python’s ints/longs. Python’s int/long type is arbitrary precision, despite the confusing naming. It only

Re: [sage-devel] Re: three.js on 7.5 beta 5: cpu...

2016-12-03 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Paul Masson wrote: > There's apparently no good way in general to test whether the scene is > unchanged. This is a known issue: > > https://github.com/mrdoob/three.js/issues/7670 > > One of the comments on this thread offers another option:

Re: [sage-devel] Re: three.js on 7.5 beta 5: cpu...

2016-12-03 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > Well if the scene is static, the controls didn't change, and the canvas size > didnt't change then your callback in requestAnimationFram should just do > nothing instead of repainting the unchanged scene, right? +1 --

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-24 Thread William Stein
Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > 2) In contrast, the Sage notebook, while quite advanced *for its time*, has > remained a Sage-only interface. Yes, you can use a number of other tools > with i, *as long as they are known by Sage*. > This simultaneously enhances and limits its utility. For example,

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-24 Thread William Stein
elf.kernel_spec_manager.get_kernel_spec(self.kernel_name) > File > "/usr/lib/sagemath/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jupyter_client/kernelspec.py", > line 175, in get_kernel_spec > raise NoSuchKernel(kernel_name) > NoSuchKernel: No such kernel named ir >

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-23 Thread William Stein
ere, > J > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 10:00:05 PM UTC+1, William Stein wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jan Groenewald <j...@aims.ac.za> wrote: >> > >> > Hi >> > >> > On 23 November 2016 at 22:05, Dima Pasec

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-23 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Jack Dyson wrote: > Hi Dima, > > Thankyou for your quick reply - I appreciate what you said about development > of sagenb as a whole, and actually I do see the point. > > Logically therefore, as you indicate, iPython is a good alternative. >

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-23 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Jan Groenewald <j...@aims.ac.za> wrote: > Hi > > On 23 November 2016 at 22:59, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jan Groenewald <j...@aims.ac.za> wrote: >> > >

[sage-devel] Re: [sage-notebook] Re: Proposal: move SageNB back to Sage

2016-11-23 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jan Groenewald wrote: > > Hi > > On 23 November 2016 at 22:05, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> I understand that opinions on usability of >> https://github.com/sagemath/sagenb/tree/newui >> diverge. (and with the breakneck

Re: [sage-devel] Checking out old branches

2016-11-17 Thread William Stein
Ideas: What about changing Cython to optionally use sha1 or md5 hashes instead of timestamps? Or write a python script that just sets the time stamps back on all the files that haven't changed. (Run it before and after...). On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:12 PM David Roe

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 9:35:23 PM UTC, William wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> > as >> >

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > as https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/#download-docker-for-windows > says: > "Docker for Windows requires 64bit Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise and Education > (1511 November update, Build 10586 or later) and Microsoft

Re: [sage-devel] Speed question re the sigma function

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:47 AM, John H Palmieri wrote: > Inspired by the ask.sagemath question > https://ask.sagemath.org/question/35587/why-sigman-seems-not-so-performant-for-small-n/, > I started looking at timings for the sigma function (sigma(n) = sum of the >

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein
On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 2:29:30 PM UTC, Erik Bray wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-15 Thread William Stein
15, 2016, Stan <schym...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, I just asked Thomas to send me the email thread about his problem with > SMC. His communication was with William Stein and Harald Schilly, and > related to lost bits of a jupyter notebook that were not even recoverable > using

Re: [sage-devel] Re: why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 2:21:32 PM UTC, Stan wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, &

Re: [sage-devel] Re: why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 2:21:32 PM UTC, Stan wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in >> virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook.

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Erik Bray <erik.m.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan <schym...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>>

Re: [sage-devel] why chrome kiosk mode in sage appliance??

2016-11-14 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Stan wrote: > Dear all, > > A student of mine has been using SMC because the sage appliance in > virtualbox did not appear very useful with the jupyter notebook. Now that he > encountered a critical bug in SMC (reported offline), he is back

Re: [sage-devel] Impossible to push to trac server !

2016-11-02 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 4:40 AM, 'Paul Mercat' via sage-devel wrote: > Hello, > > When I try to push my work on the trac server using the command > $git trac push > I get the following error : > > git_trac.git_error.GitError: git returned with non-zero exit code (128)

Re: [sage-devel] Re: jsmol.js

2016-11-01 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > On Tuesday, November 1, 2016 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-4, William wrote: >> >> Your iframe hack doesn't respect Jupyter's base url options, which is >> the (only) problem for both Jupyterhub and SageMathCloud. > > > Because it

Re: [sage-devel] Re: jsmol.js

2016-11-01 Thread William Stein
rs or solid work to make sure we do not miss anything. >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 10/31/16 9:13 PM, William Stein wrote: >> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 7:11 PM, kcrisman <kcri...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>&g

Re: [sage-devel] R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-31 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 6:58 PM, kcrisman wrote: > All I know is this: > > 1) We have "sold" a lot of Sage by saying it's all in there, and at least > some people have used Sage+R effectively. Estimates of how many vary > wildly. But non-zero. Nobody is suggesting

Re: [sage-devel] Re: jsmol.js

2016-10-31 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 7:11 PM, kcrisman wrote: > > >>https://github.com/jupyterhub/jupyterhub/issues/401 >> >> which blocks 3d graphics in jupyter/sage working at all for sage and >> jupyter hub: >> >>https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues/159 >> >> It seems like

Re: [sage-devel] sage 7.4 does not build on Ubuntu 16.10

2016-10-31 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:16 PM, François Bissey <francois.bis...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: > Yes, building gcc 4.9.3 with gcc 6.2.0 is not exactly supported. I set nothing and just went with Sage defaults. What a mess... > > > On 01/11/16 09:09, William Stein wrote: >&g

Re: [sage-devel] plot3d Assertion Error in Jupyter Notebook

2016-10-31 Thread William Stein
For what it's worth, you could use SageMathCloud https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/4a5f0542-5873-4eed-a85c-a18c706e8bcd/files/support/2016-10-31-083104%20%20plot3d%20Assertion%20Error.sagews Which you can install locally via docker:

Re: [sage-devel] R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-30 Thread William Stein
On Sunday, October 30, 2016, Emmanuel Charpentier < emanuel.charpent...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear William, > > Sorry to have sounded frightened by *you* : I'm frightened by the amount > of *my* ignorance... > > Since it seems that I'm (almost) alone among Sage users to be interested > by the

Re: [sage-devel] R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-30 Thread William Stein
On Sunday, October 30, 2016, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Emmanuel Charpentier > <emanuel.charpent...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > Dear William, > > > > thanks for this advice, which I'll consider

Re: [sage-devel] Re: R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > Dear William, > > thanks for this advice, which I'll consider seriously, notwithstanding its > total opacity to me at the moment > > I just checked that the r interface in SMC is indeed different

Re: [sage-devel] Re: R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > OK. It seems that a clear consensus exists for the excision of R _proprio > dictu_ from Sage. > > If we break it, can we at least keep the (Sage's) pieces ? An optional > package offering the current R

Re: [sage-devel] Re: R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-28 Thread William Stein
Hi, Regarding the openssl dependency issue, the standard way people justify getting around it is the "system library exemption", which allows for GPL'd programs to link in system libraries that are not GPL'd (otherwise, things like GPL software on MS Windows would be impossible!). Some links

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage's increasingly long startup time?

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
This is more what concerns me: ~$ strace sage-7.4 -c pass 2>a ~$ wc -l a 35137 ~$ grep stat a |wc -l 8712 ~$ grep open a |wc -l 10289 ~$ grep read a |wc -l 5645 etc. I was wrong -- its "only" 8712 stats. Anyway, I probably just need to tweak os caching parameters or the disk, since of course

[sage-devel] jsmol.js

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
In case anybody cares, in Sage-7.4 this bug remains https://github.com/jupyterhub/jupyterhub/issues/401 which blocks 3d graphics in jupyter/sage working at all for sage and jupyter hub: https://github.com/sagemathinc/smc/issues/159 It seems like according to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: vote on behaviour of is_similar for matrices

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM, kcrisman wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-4, John H Palmieri wrote: >> >> (1) Why should a nonsquare matrix even have an "is_similar" method? Can we >> get rid of that? (Same for "determinant" and some other

[sage-devel] sage's increasingly long startup time?

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
Does anybody else find this depressing? ⨯ time sage-7.4 -c pass 2.18user 0.99system 0:34.29elapsed 9%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 170712maxresident)k 285672inputs+8outputs (628major+49021minor)pagefaults 0swaps 35 seconds? Yes, I know, doing it again is fast, since it can stat 100K files using the

Re: [sage-devel] vote on behaviour of is_similar for matrices

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
Just curious: what choice does magma (or maple or Mathematica etc) make regarding this? On Thursday, October 27, 2016, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > AA > (but make sure docs make sense after the change) > > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 4:21:02 PM UTC, Travis Scrimshaw wrote:

Re: [sage-devel] R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:16:02 PM UTC+2, Jean-Pierre Flori wrote: >> >> But you're right, by default Debian links to openssl: >> https://packages.debian.org/sid/libcurl3 >> >> And indeed curl is not GPL

Re: [sage-devel] R 3.3.1 depends on a SSL/TLS implementation

2016-10-27 Thread William Stein
Hi, We've been down this road before with Sage, and it's pretty annoying. I've personally wasted hundreds of hours on it (GNUtls, openssl, etc.) Programmers playing lawyers have ended up with a broken and inconsistent legal foundation. There is no easy way out, since only copyright owners can

[sage-devel] Sage and JMM 2017 -- Atlanta GA

2016-10-25 Thread William Stein
Hi, I'll have a Sage booth at JMM 2017. Some people who want to help can get free registration (email me). At least me, Harald Schilly, John Jeng, and Kevin Lui will be helping with the Sage booth. I'll be at JMM/Atlanta, Jan 4 - 10, 2017. Harald Schilly, John Jeng and I will also be staying

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Notebook stuck on "N?" with a worksheet

2016-10-23 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 7:48:43 AM UTC, Jori Mäntysalo wrote: >> >> On Sun, 23 Oct 2016, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: >> >> >> I must check if sharing worksheets works >> > >> > As far as I know, Jupyter(hub) does not

Re: [sage-devel] trac down?

2016-10-23 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 23 October 2016 at 18:14, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, October 23, 2016, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> >> wrote

Re: [sage-devel] trac down?

2016-10-23 Thread William Stein
On Sunday, October 23, 2016, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I am not able to see trac on the radar anymore It works fine for me and has not been down recently. > > $ host trac.sagemath.org > trac.sagemath.org has address 104.197.143.230 > $ ping -c1 -W5

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac down?

2016-10-22 Thread William Stein
t seems >> to be working well now. >> >> William >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:49 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > trac is definitely down (according to my monitor). I tried rebooting >> > it whi

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac down?

2016-10-22 Thread William Stein
Hi, I recreated trac on a VM with much, much more RAM and cpu. It seems to be working well now. William On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:49 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > trac is definitely down (according to my monitor). I tried rebooting > it which failed a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac down?

2016-10-22 Thread William Stein
Hi, trac is definitely down (according to my monitor). I tried rebooting it which failed as well. I'm going to recreate it with a more powerful/expensive VM (or otherwise fix it), and we'll see how that goes. William On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Eric Gourgoulhon

Re: [sage-devel] Re: trac down?

2016-10-21 Thread William Stein
Half the internet is down right now... http://gizmodo.com/this-is-probably-why-half-the-internet-shut-down-today-1788062835 I don't see why this would impact trac.sagemath.org though... On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Lennart Jern wrote: > On Thursday, October 20,

Re: [sage-devel] Quadratic forms from genus invariants

2016-10-14 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Watson Ladd wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm currently working on writing some python that can produce a quadratic > form from genus invariants. I've already implemented the rational invariants > case, and would be willing to put it into Sage at

Re: [sage-devel] Giving Sage AI-based step-by-step equation solving abilities

2016-10-11 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Ted Kosan wrote: > Richard wrote: > >> I think that calling this Artificial Intelligence is probably unhelpful and >> arguably wrong. But maybe you (and maybe the PRESS people) are >> calling rules + search + evaluation as AI? > > I am

Re: [sage-devel] NTL v10

2016-10-11 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 8:14:02 AM UTC, John Cremona wrote: >> >> On 11 October 2016 at 01:03, Victor Shoup wrote: >> > First, you are definitely wrong about punch cards. I started

[sage-devel] Blog post about open source, sage, and funding for companies

2016-10-08 Thread William Stein
http://sagemath.blogspot.com/2016/10/rethinkdb-sagemath-andreessen-horowitz.html -- Sent from my massive iPhone 6 plus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [sage-devel] multithreading performance issues

2016-10-04 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Jonathan Bober wrote: > No, in 7.3 Sage isn't multithreading in this example: > > jb12407@lmfdb1:~$ sage73 > sage: %time M = ModularSymbols(5113, 2, -1) > CPU times: user 599 ms, sys: 25 ms, total: 624 ms > Wall time: 612 ms > sage: %time S =

Re: [sage-devel] Problem in setup sage server

2016-09-30 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 9:58 AM, B Krishnan Iyer wrote: > I followed the steps shown in the link:https://wiki.sagemath.org/SageServer > > while entering 'sudo apt-get install python-software-properties' it is > asking for password so can someone tell me what the password

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-27 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > I may have time next weekend to containerize the buildbot, though no > promises. It does need quite a lot of disk space (the old one was about 50GB > iirc) to hold all the build logs and binary builds. The new machine

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-27 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Harald Schilly wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>> we can't, because there are filesize limits. >> how about git-lfs ? (which is probably not cheap to use) > > I don't think we need any

Re: [sage-devel] linbox 64-bit charpoly

2016-09-27 Thread William Stein
idea how much of a difference that makes in this case. > >> >> Bill. >> >> On Tuesday, 27 September 2016 05:49:47 UTC+2, Jonathan Bober wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:18 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-27 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:10 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Yes, both the file server files.sagemath.org and buildbot build.sagemath.org >>> are down... &g

Re: [sage-devel] linbox 64-bit charpoly

2016-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Jonathan Bober <jwbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:52 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Bober <jwbo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > In th

Re: [sage-devel] linbox 64-bit charpoly

2016-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Bober wrote: > In the matrix_integer_dense charpoly() function, there is a note in the > docstring which says "Linbox charpoly disabled on 64-bit machines, since it > hangs in many cases." > > As far as I can tell, that is not true, in

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-26 Thread William Stein
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Volker Braun wrote: >> Yes, both the file server files.sagemath.org and buildbot build.sagemath.org >> are down... I've done what I can and right now - files.sagemath.org - rsync.sagemath.org seem to respond to pings. And -

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:24 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Yes, both the file server files.sagemath.org and buildbot build.sagemath.org >> are down... >> > > I'll

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-26 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:22 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > Yes, both the file server files.sagemath.org and buildbot build.sagemath.org > are down... > I'll check on these when I'm next on campus (probably today). William > > > On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 2:25:52 PM

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] trac not responding

2016-09-25 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > I almost cannot use either web interface, or git server. > (however I can ssh to the host, although it is slow...) > I see a lot of apache activity... > > Does anyone do anything heavy? I doubt this is good:

[sage-devel] pre-built buildbot docker images?

2016-09-22 Thread William Stein
Hi, Is there a Sage buildbot docker image, e.g, something so "any idiot" can just go docker run blah blah sagemath-buildbot-ubuntu or docker run blah blah sagemath-buildbot-centos and have a build bot running... and when they want to clean up, just delete the docker container? --

Re: [sage-devel] Re: PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-22 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Vincent Delecroix < 20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would benefit a lot from having Sage be part of the system Python. > The reason is that I am using a distribution and my distribution comes > with many Python modules that I am using. For some of them they

Re: [sage-devel] Re: memory management issue: deleted variables not released

2016-09-21 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Denis wrote: > > I tried to reproduce the issue in the cloud, but it cannot do it with the > default settings. Although I can check that my code works, the benchmark > calculation cannot complete because of the limitations of the free

Re: [sage-devel] broken FAQ link in Sage documentation

2016-09-21 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Ursula Whitcher wrote: > The FAQ entry at > > http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/faq/faq-contribute.html# > can-i-contribute-to-sage-using-sagemathcloud > > has a link to > > https://github.com/sagemath/cloud/wiki/FAQ > > This forwards to > >

Re: [sage-devel] Sage contributor in AAUP journal

2016-09-20 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 PM, kcrisman wrote: > Some of you may be interested in this article by Paul-Olivier Dehaye: > https://www.aaup.org/article/mooc-platforms-surveillance-and-control > It is a rant against the main trends in modern computing. Paul perhaps

Re: [sage-cell] Re: [sage-devel] Sage cells in interact wiki

2016-09-19 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: > On Monday, 19 September 2016 10:53:27 UTC-6, William wrote: >> >> This seems to be an absolutely *massive* issue, which I'm sure was caused >> by some API change by Andrey. These wiki pages have worked fine for

Re: [sage-devel] Getting rid of reset() and restore()?

2016-09-19 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-09-19 18:50, William Stein wrote: > >> That's only "dangerous" if you expect reset to do the same thing as >> restart sage >> > > I would guess that us

Re: [sage-devel] Sage cells in interact wiki

2016-09-19 Thread William Stein
This seems to be an absolutely *massive* issue, which I'm sure was caused by some API change by Andrey. These wiki pages have worked fine for about 7 years, so it's annoying that they are all suddenly broken. > I guess it was meant to use the Sage cell server to make the examples actually work

Re: [sage-devel] Getting rid of reset() and restore()?

2016-09-19 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Hello, > > is there anybody who uses the functions reset() or restore() from > src/sage/misc/reset.pyx > > They are meant to "reset" the global state in the interactive session to > what it was when Sage started up.

[sage-devel] Re: PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-10 Thread William Stein
On Saturday, September 10, 2016, Volker Braun wrote: > On Saturday, September 10, 2016 at 4:55:48 PM UTC+2, William wrote: >> >> Python itself could make those same arguments, as one can install >> multiple copies of Python in different ways on a single computer. >> > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-10 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > I think this idea of installing stuff globally (either system-wide or in > ~/.local) is outdated. Really its always better to make a venv if you need > some sort of specialist package. Its just an all-around better

Re: [sage-devel] sage -br rebuilds things that were not changed

2016-09-09 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Volker Braun wrote: > Whenever you switch to a branch with a different working set you change > timestamps of modified files. Git does not track timestamps. Updated > timestamps cause recompilation. So... instead of using timestamps, maybe

[sage-devel] PYTHONUSERBASE?

2016-09-09 Thread William Stein
Hi, I personally disagree with trying to make Sage's python and the general environment be as isolated as possibly from each other. We should try to interoperate with the greater Python world as much as possible, not change things to discourage that. If you want total isolation, use Docker, don't

Re: [sage-devel] Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-08 Thread William Stein
On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote: > On 2016-09-07 17:08, William Stein wrote: > >> like running top and parsing the output... >> > > Yes, there was a big "WTF?" moment when I saw that :-) Imagine it is e

Re: [sage-devel] Add psutil as standard package

2016-09-07 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: > Hello, > > at https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/21421 we propose to add the Python > package "psutil" as standard package for Sage. The tarball is 308KB, > installed it is about 624KB. The use case is replacing >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Suggestion for main configure script to give package names for Latex.

2016-09-06 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) < drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 6 September 2016, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 9:08:25 AM UTC, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: ReST References in Sphinx and uniqueness

2016-09-05 Thread William Stein
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde wrote: > I should perhaps clarify my main question: > > Isn't the unique citation as used in Sphinx a Bad Idea for Sage? > > Most source files in Sage are not ordered, and if we refer to document > [X] in two different

[sage-devel] Re: [sagemath-admins] Re: missing emails from trac

2016-08-30 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 at 5:20:37 PM UTC, leif wrote: >> >> Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> > >> > On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 6:13:18 PM UTC, Harald Schilly wrote: >> > >> > Hi, I've no idea, I've not setup that

Re: [sage-devel] disallow mixing of pos.char.ring elements and symbolic variables

2016-08-30 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ralf, > > First of all, your opinon is more valuable than others since you are the > maintainer of Pynac. Perhaps my opinion is also worth something since I made up the name "Pynac" and wrote the first

Re: [sage-devel] disallow mixing of pos.char.ring elements and symbolic variables

2016-08-30 Thread William Stein
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Ralf Stephan wrote: > As you know Pynac provides symbolic computation. In earlier times > this included polynomial manipulation and other things where Sage > has now dedicated and consistent algebraic structures. Can you clarify? Sage had and

Re: [sage-devel] Re: How to use Sage's doc builder off the source tree

2016-08-28 Thread William Stein
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:35 AM, Volker Braun wrote: > On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+2, Simon King wrote: >> >> Thus, the question remains: How to use the doc builder in order to >> create in SAGE_ROOT/local/share/ the documentation of a pip-installable >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Sage Wiki

2016-08-26 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde wrote: >> Would you have any interest in moving the wiki >> to https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki ? > > What would be the advantage of doing so? - We don't have to worry about hosting it ourselves. - It's hosted on

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-26 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just checked and searching for sage help online in Google now frequently returns results at doc.sagemath.org. Yeah! William On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:10:55AM -0700, Samuel Lelievre wrote: >>I guess

Re: [sage-devel] Re: [sage-combinat-devel] Multiple versions of SageMath's documentation online

2016-08-26 Thread William Stein
Hi, I just checked and searching for sage help online in Google now frequently returns results at doc.sagemath.org. Yeah! William On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 09:10:55AM -0700, Samuel Lelievre wrote: >>I guess

Re: [sage-devel] mailing list administration

2016-08-25 Thread William Stein
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Luca De Feo wrote: > > I deleted it as flame bait. I'm sick of people using sage-devel as a > > forum to attack others > > I'm sick of it too. But this kind of unilateral actions only fuels the > flame, it does not extinguish it. > >

Re: [sage-devel] mailing list administration

2016-08-24 Thread William Stein
On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Vincent Delecroix <20100.delecr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > The mail of Nathann posted on 24 Aug. 2016 [1], [2] cross posted on > sage-support and sage-devel did not reach sage-devel. My answer to him did > not reach sage-devel either. > > It was clearly not

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