Agreed. Most everybody would consider it a very positive outcome if
there were a replacement thing of conduct that addresses the
concerns many people have raised and gets passed almost unanimously.
Please yes.
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On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 01:35:05PM +0100, Thierry wrote:
If a single person (or a small group) organizes the decision process for
the community, then it is not by the community. I think this
organizational task is also a collective task (this prevents situations
like the one that is
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:09:44AM +0100, Thierry wrote:
OK, sorry if i misunderstood, you seemed to support a vote about that
(even proposing a third alternative name) since your message was:
A *poll*, not a *vote*. A poll sounds useful to get a sense of where
the community stands to know
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:18:26PM +, Simon King wrote:
If I understand correctly what William and Volker are saying, they claim
it is too late for a change anyway,
Please reread. William has explicitly, and in several emails, stated
the converse.
Cheers,
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:40:16PM +0100, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 06:09:44AM +0100, Thierry wrote:
OK, sorry if i misunderstood, you seemed to support a vote about that
(even proposing a third alternative name) since your message was:
A *poll*, not a *vote*. A
I welcome your enthusiasm but please can we stick to established nomenclature?
If you insist on not calling it Code then please also
explain why Fedora and Django have made a mistake in naming it.
O_o
Dear friend, I am getting slowly convinced that one of us is crazy.
Assuming, as I cannot
As already mentioned by others, the bad thing (at least from my point of
view) is that the 'code of conduct' splits the community.
To reduce the dissonance among us we could agree on something with broader
support.
Otherwise I hope that this discussion will end at some point, and I will
try to
Hello !
Will this be done by editing http://wiki.sagemath.org/CodeOfConduct or
will a separate document be created?
I guess the situations is already sufficiently chaotic as it is :-P I
added the paragraph block to that page:
http://wiki.sagemath.org/CodeOfConduct
Whoever wants can modify it
Hi!
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 15:08:48 UTC+1 schrieb Jakob Kroeker:
Question 1: who of the initial 'yes' voters would insist to keep the term
'code of conduct'
Question 2: who of the initial 'No' voters would accept the term
'guidelines' instead with content as is
Question 3: who
On Friday, November 28, 2014 1:09:38 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote:
I have no idea on earth what you are talking about. If you need
frenglish lessons I can give you some. It is very simple: just speak
french with an english accent. Of course most words will not
translate, but you have to
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 15:44:08 UTC+1 schrieb Volker Braun:
On Friday, November 28, 2014 1:09:38 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote:
I have no idea on earth what you are talking about. If you need
frenglish lessons I can give you some. It is very simple: just speak
french with an english
I definitely like the idea of guidelines over code of conduct.
El viernes, 28 de noviembre de 2014 15:08:48 UTC+1, Jakob Kroeker escribió:
As already mentioned by others, the bad thing (at least from my point of
view) is that the 'code of conduct' splits the community.
To reduce the
On Nov 28, 2014 7:02 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 15:44:08 UTC+1 schrieb Volker Braun:
On Friday, November 28, 2014 1:09:38 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote:
I have no idea on earth what you are talking about. If you need
frenglish lessons I can give
Hi Nathann,
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 15:11:30 UTC+1 schrieb Nathann Cohen:
Hello !
Will this be done by editing http://wiki.sagemath.org/CodeOfConduct or
will a separate document be created?
I guess the situations is already sufficiently chaotic as it is :-P I
added the
Yooo !
Sorry, I first didn't see your reply. I am not sure about the common
etiquette for wiki pages.
Yes, I agree that it is messy. I think that we should feel free to
edit whatever we like (while trying to respect the spirit somehow)
otherwise we will keep adding stuff from fear of
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 16:06:55 UTC+1 schrieb William:
Could someone please answer the question about further proceeding (I
asked twice already): Do I understand correctly that there will be some
editing on http://wiki.sagemath.org/CodeOfConduct before publishing the
code of
On Nov 28, 2014 7:17 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 16:06:55 UTC+1 schrieb William:
Could someone please answer the question about further proceeding (I
asked twice already): Do I understand correctly that there will be some
editing on
Am Freitag, 28. November 2014 16:24:37 UTC+1 schrieb William:
I see. That's the old trick of putting something on vote while it is
still discussed. As a result, some people don't realise that the vote is
exactly about the current state, and that one shouldn't vote yes but no
if one just
On Friday, November 28, 2014 3:02:24 PM UTC, Simon King wrote:
Unfortunately that is exactly what is not the problem here. The
association of code of conduct with codified law exists in English
No, there is no association beyond the codified = written down. Of course
the writing down part
No, there is no association beyond the codified = written down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_code
This is the kind of association we all have in mind.
Nathann
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Let me try a last time, just replace code with book:
A book of laws is a book, but not every book is a book of laws.
On Friday, November 28, 2014 4:12:47 PM UTC, Nathann Cohen wrote:
No, there is no association beyond the codified = written down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_code
Let me try a last time, just replace code with book:
We will never understand. Give it up ! It is unfortunate, but to us
code is associated with law.
Nathann
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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 06:08:47AM -0800, Jakob Kroeker wrote:
Question 1: who of the initial 'yes' voters would insist to keep the
term 'code of conduct'
Question 2: who of the initial 'No' voters would accept the term
'guidelines' instead with content as is
Question 3: who
As a yes voter, I would be totally in favor of changing the name to
guidelines. As Nathann pointed out, we're not Django or Fedora and even
though they can be source of inspiration, we don't have to do something
just because they do. Also, the linguistic debate about what code means
is a bit
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Viviane Pons vivianep...@gmail.com wrote:
As a yes voter, I would be totally in favor of changing the name to
guidelines. As Nathann pointed out, we're not Django or Fedora and even
though they can be source of inspiration, we don't have to do something just
It is not an opposition of terms code of conduct vs guidelines or
whatever. The main problem is not the title but the form and some of
the content! Let me point out what I found very bad in it
- All paragraphs are orders
Be [...]
Be [...]
Be [...]
If you treat people like
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 06:00:31PM +0100, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 06:08:47AM -0800, Jakob Kroeker wrote:
Question 1: who of the initial 'yes' voters would insist to keep the
term 'code of conduct'
Question 2: who of the initial 'No' voters would accept the
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 06:58:00PM +0100, Thierry wrote:
No, there is no consensus at all. It is not because a few people are going
round on some naming issue that all other issues are settled (not even
that particular issue either).
I am not saying that it suffices to change the name. Yet
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On Nov 28, 2014 11:32 AM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote:
Hi Vincent,
On 2014-11-28, Vincent Delecroix 20100.delecr...@gmail.com wrote:
If you treat people like children, you should not expect from them
to be adults.
+1
- The previous vote
2014-11-28 20:24 GMT+01:00 Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de:
Hi Viviane,
On 2014-11-28, Viviane Pons vivianep...@gmail.com wrote:
As a yes voter, I would be totally in favor of changing the name to
guidelines.
So, technically, your yes vote should in fact be counted as no,
because the
- If there is a violation of a code of conduct, it means that it
was a rule. I like very much the modification of Anne about how to
behave when such a violation occurs (people are not police).
Apparently I missed it. Can you point me to what Anne said? Anyway, I
totally agree that an
On Nov 28, 2014 12:21 PM, Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de wrote:
Hi William,
On 2014-11-28, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I created it. The members are me, David Joyner (sage Dev #2), and
Harald Schilly.
Interesting. Previously there was talk about the 12 (or so) main
Hi,
2014-11-28 15:48 UTC−06:00, maldun dom...@gmx.net:
Hi all!
I quite watched this discussion for this so called code of conduct. There
are a lot of
opponents of this idea and I wonder why.
Please tell me who? As far as I read, nobody proposed to have nothing.
We are just discussing what.
Hi,
I updated a proposition at the very end of the wiki page
http://wiki.sagemath.org/CodeOfConduct
It is not aimed to be finished or proposed to vote right now. No
usurpation please.
Vincent
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2014-11-28 23:43 GMT+01:00 Simon King simon.k...@uni-jena.de:
Hi Vincent,
On 2014-11-28, Vincent Delecroix 20100.delecr...@gmail.com wrote:
Please tell me who? As far as I read, nobody proposed to have nothing.
I did propose to have nothing.
I still think that setting good examples is
On Friday, November 28, 2014 11:04:08 PM UTC+1, vdelecroix wrote:
Hi,
2014-11-28 15:48 UTC−06:00, maldun dom...@gmx.net javascript::
Hi all!
I quite watched this discussion for this so called code of conduct.
There
are a lot of
opponents of this idea and I wonder why.
On Saturday, 29 November 2014 02:04:41 UTC+11, mmarco wrote:
I definitely like the idea of guidelines over code of conduct.
As one of the people who voted yes, I definitely prefer guidelines.
I also think that those who care should work towards editing the
guidelines on the wiki with the
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:27:38PM +0100, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 06:58:00PM +0100, Thierry wrote:
No, there is no consensus at all. It is not because a few people are going
round on some naming issue that all other issues are settled (not even
that particular
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