We do have show(), so we could likely have play(), at the very least
launching $SAGE_PLAYER (or $SAGE_BROWSER) with a given
(audio/video/multimedia) file.
That should be done in a way such that, if called from the notebook,
the sound is played by the browser. Something like a streaming from
I can only thak you for the effort on compiling sage on ARM,
considering that you do it in your very own small laptop.
What happened with the ARM box that William said he would buy for the
sagemath cluster?
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Last time I talked to him, he suggested we use qemu to make a virtual
ARM machine. That's probably faster than actual
hardware for this purpose, and we can configure it to have way more RAM.
Is that true? emulating an arm processor is actually faster than the
processor itself?
Wow!
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I am working on a patch to implement Zariski-Van Kampen method, and it
makes use of parallelization. For some reason, the use of plain
@parallel decorator (which uses fork) gives some problems, but it
works of if i use the multiprocessing option.
But IIRC, multiprocessing library requires open
Solve the problem with @parallel in the first place? ;-)
That is where the problem apperaed (see #14154). It doesn't appear
using @parallel('multiprocessing'), which is what i am asking here if
it is ok. I think that if you don't specify the number of threads, it
uses the number of cpus
Or tell us at least what is broken (maybe its simply a design limitation)
I really don't know what the issue is. I posted the code that shows
the problem in #14154. I tried to simplify the code, but then the
issue didn't appear. I tried to trace the issue, but have been unable
so far. As i say
That's great news.
Volker, are you still interested in mentoring the windows gui?
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an Android app project and/or a cross-platform (including
Windows ;-) GUI
On Monday, April 8, 2013 11:52:23 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
Volker, are you still interested in mentoring the windows gui?
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toolkit really doesn't
matter that much in the bigger picture. Really, the question is how to
present functionality in an intuitive way and how to organize the code
(e.g. MVC pattern).
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:01:41 AM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
Ok, in that case i step out of it. I
Can someone edit the project proposals page to include the gui for
controling the vm?
On 11 abr, 10:49, Harald Schilly harald.schi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, this is a reminder, that students start proposing ideas in the
dedicated forum over
What about the days before 19?
El jueves, 15 de mayo de 2014 22:44:32 UTC+2, William escribió:
Here's an update on the Sage days in June in Seattle.
We will have a large house near UW June 19 - 30:
http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p906894
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:25 PM,
I think that, if credit should be given to the grant that funded a certain
work, it should be stated in either a comment of the corresponding ticket,
or the commit message. That way it would be clearly stated which code was
funded by which grant.
Imagine the situation where the code funded by
I definitely am against the acknowledgements in the source code. It could
be necessary to have some way of acknowledgement (at the end, we would like
the community to consider that writing code for sage is not a minor task
compared to publishing papers), but that should be somewhere else. I
you have to import the module.
If you want to be imported automatically at startup, you should edit the
file all.py.
El jueves, 22 de mayo de 2014 22:47:55 UTC+2, Amit Jamadagni escribió:
Hello John,
Thanks for the reply but sage shell does not detect the link class
which is in
A slightly unrelated problem:
Would it be possible to include the findstat functionality in sage? That
is, i have a bunch of pairs (permutation, number), then call the function
findtsta on them, and get a list of possible ways that the numbers can me
computed from the permutations. All inside
Just to clarify, i wasn't thinking on sage sending a query to findstat, but
performing the search locally (i.e. having findstat software included in
Sage).
I don't know how findstat is implemented, so i don't know how wise that
aproach would be. Does findstat relly on a big database that is
I have found the following behaviour:
{{{
sage: B=BraidGroup(4)
sage: b=B([1,2,3])
sage: type(b)
class 'sage.groups.braid.Braid'
sage: type(b*b)
class 'sage.groups.braid.BraidGroup_class_with_category.element_class'
}}}
Both b and b*b have the same parent, but they belong to different classes.
This is now #16458
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The problem is not only having a is_prime method or not. It is also which
should be the output of that method. 3 is a unit in AA, but not in ZZ. The
factorization is different deppending on where you consider it, the gcd
too... there are so many mathematically relevant properties for a number
Since we already have Sequence, and Set, which mimic list and set but
performing coercion on all its elements, would it be wise to also have
Dict? Or even change Sequence to List and make Sequence inmutable?
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The author is south american?
There are several expressions that sound funny to people from Spain. Even
there are some that i am not sure they are correct.
El martes, 22 de julio de 2014 15:43:01 UTC+2, Frédéric Chapoton escribió:
Hello,
is there any spanish (native) speaker there, to have
I have the following :
sage: R.x = QQ[]
sage: f = prod([R.random_element() for i in
range(12)])+1/993*R.random_element(degree=24)+73/1298749837*prod([R.random_element(degree=1)
for i in range(24)])
sage: f.factor()
(189/2) * (x^24 +
7504997480865664356484601/1685489222385795317475600*x^23
I have seen much worse than two pages of boring computations of errir
estimates that lead to potentially useful code published in arxiv. I would
go for that.
El viernes, 8 de agosto de 2014 10:48:20 UTC+2, Clemens Heuberger escribió:
In http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/16782, I propose a patch
The good thing is that Sage supports algebraic numbers as coefficients in
the symbolic ring. So we can construct the expression:
RootSum(229*_t**4 + 6*_t**2 + _t + 1, Lambda(_t, _t*log(-37785*_t**3/3547 -
5496*_t**2/3547 + 12979*_t/3547 + x + 691/3547)))
like this:
sage: R.t = QQ[]
sage: f =
IANAL, but my understanding is that the licensing of the code that William
wrote for the servers that run SMC would only be relevant if the code is
distributed.
That is, the license of a software is an agreement that happens in the
moment of the distribution. The license stablishes the
There are several possible projective embeddings for an affine object. How
do you propose to determine which one should be used?
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So, would it be thinkable of to move sage from Python to Julia? Sounds like
a titanic task, but sounds like if there are so many advantages in Julia
with respect to Python, it could be worth it.
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As far as i understand, the current plan is to spend the money made by SMC
(if it makes money, some day) to improve Sage (for example, to hire paid
programmers that would work into the windows port). So, if things don't
deviate from that plan, the gain of SMC would also turn into a gain for
In fact, there was a GSoC proposal to write some simple GUI that would
handle the VM: check for firewall issues, open the VM's browser if there
are, and run the VM in headless mode if there are not, also handle the
actualizations of the VM and so on.
Sadly, no student decided to go for that
Install one in a VM :)
The reasons why i don't run windows on my computers still apply to running
windows on VM's on my computers. Besides, a VM that runs inside a VM is
probably not a good idea for testing the possible problems that this GUI
would encounter in real life.
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Their .sage and .ipynb files would live on the windows side, but if they
have some data they want to analyze (like a file to read in, or a file
to save to), they'd still have to somehow get that data into/out of the
VM. You're right that it's easier than what we have, though!
Thanks,
From my point of view, the worst part of the VM approach right now is the
keyboard layout. Solving that we would have a decent solution for windows.
El viernes, 22 de agosto de 2014 21:30:19 UTC+2, Volker Braun escribió:
On Friday, August 22, 2014 7:54:57 PM UTC+1, Fernando Perez wrote:
- a
IIRC, GAP and Pari/GP do have a native windows version. Singular has a
cygwin version.
El lunes, 25 de agosto de 2014 11:05:08 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik escribió:
On 2014-08-25, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
drki...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk javascript: wrote:
The spanish python conference (PyConEs) will happen in november. I am
thinking about proposing myself for a short presentation of Sage.
El jueves, 28 de agosto de 2014 09:07:11 UTC+2, Daniel Krenn escribió:
Am 2014-08-26 um 11:58 schrieb Viviane Pons:
a reminder that you still have until
Iirc, it would be accessible from any machine that can access the host. It just
should point to the forwarded ports
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Iirc, it would be accessible from any machine that can access the host. It just
should point to the forwarded ports
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Which OS did you build it in?
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Would it be possible to aim at other options (mainly, raspbian)
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On a practical level I think a raspberry is too slow for continuous
integration purposes.
Do you mean on the maintainer side or the user?
For the user, sage would probably take a long time to load, but then should
work more or less ok.
For the maintainer... i was thinking on compiling
You mean like using SAGE_ATLAS_LIB to avoid shipping a too optimized
version of that lib?
My comment was more in the line of making sure that the resulting compiled
code does not use instructions that are not available at the raspberry pi
processor. IIRC that means making sure that we
Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the host?
If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work.
El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió:
Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox
It is theoretically possible, but you would need swap memory (the RAM of
the device is not enough), which would be very slow (i don'trecommend doing
it using the SD card as swap device, too much read/write for it), so go for
a USB hard drive. And even then, it will be quite slow (the USB port
I have purchased one of these boards:
https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware
And plan to plug in it a ssd drive to allow fast swap space. I would like
to use it to compile sage for raspbian, but there is an issue: the
raspberry pi is ARMv6,
I am working on an optional package for the knot atlas. The idea is to
download the database of knots and links and be able to query it.
I have downloaded a +300MB .rdf file from the knot atlas web page. Juyst
parsing it takes a bit. Which would be the right format to store that
information in
So i take it would require sqlite as a dependency? or is it already shipped
with sage by default?
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How long ?
Around five seconds in a very fast SSD disk.
What kind of Python/Sage object do you want to store at the end ?
Dictionaries of strings (easy to store in a SQL table) or less standard
Sage objects ? What takes most processing time, parsing the file or
creating Sage
the hash of the invariants would be a good idea?
El sábado, 27 de septiembre de 2014 22:22:44 UTC+2, wstein escribió:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM, mmarco mma...@unizar.es javascript:
wrote:
How long ?
Around five seconds in a very fast SSD disk.
What kind
the future we could add 3- and 4-manifolds to sage. That would be
a even a harder work than the basic knots we are working on, though.
El domingo, 28 de septiembre de 2014 23:35:19 UTC+2, vdelecroix escribió:
2014-09-28 21:01 UTC+02:00, mmarco mma...@unizar.es javascript::
Typically
Oh, and i forgot to mention: some of the invariants are only well defined
up to multiplication by a unit. That means that quering for the knots with
a given invariant means not only to check for the ones with identical value
in that field, but to make a (potentially costly) comparison one by
That is great news
AFAIK, there is still some code from last year's GSoC which is not merged,
so maybe it is a good oportunity to retake that (ticket #14973)
El miércoles, 15 de octubre de 2014 17:22:40 UTC+2, Johan S. R. Nielsen
escribió:
Hi sage-devel
This is to announce and get
In the download page, we offer binaries for red hat 5.3 (+4 years old) over
itanium architecture. The version of Sage is 5.0.1 (+2 years old).
Is it really useful to keep it? Are there any actual downloads?
I would say that, if we can support Fedora over Itanium (that is, if we
have a buildbot
How hard would it be to switch from the singular interface to the MAcualay2
one for the polynomial stuff?
If we can do that, we could automate an extra pass of the testsuite
consisting on comparing the output from one interface to the other.
Many people doing algebraic geometry research use
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. Anyways, it seems that Macaulay2
only uses Singular-Factory and Singular-Libfac for a few functions (factor,
gcd minimalprimes and irreduciblecharacteristicseries). So for all the
other stuff, it would stil be useful to compare the results given by
IS that individual lines of doctests or doctest units themselves?
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What i mean is that, for example:
sage: R.x,y = PolynomialRing(QQ)
sage: I = R.ideal([x^2 - y ^2, x + y +1])
sage: I.groebner_basis()
[x + 1/2, y + 1/2]
Is just one doctest unit (since it is really one test going on, we only
check that the groebner basis coincides with the expected one). But it
Precisely last weekend i gave a talk about Sage in PyCon Spain, and one of
the topics i discussed is how the project has been quite succesful in
attracting users to become developpers. One of the key aspects there is the
fact that usually we have a good atmosphere to discuss. Having a place
It seems to me that people talking about sage in that discussion don't
really know much about what Sage is. If there is something depressing
there, is the fact that we haven't done good enough in the marketing side.
On a side comment, you mention that Sage has around half a million lines of
I am afraid i would need more information to make a decission about this. I
wasn't aware of the existence of the problems you mention. Without knowing
what happened in those cases, i cannot say if the proposed code of conduct
would have been a good idea to prevent them or not.
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I really like the idea of moving threads to sage-flame when they start to
go out of hand. What was the criterion to do so until now?
Also, from an ownership point of view, the right to move discussions
between google groups belongs to google, and google's rules state that they
would do so when
mmarco
Nathann Cohen
Harald Schilley (qualified)
Other proposal or comments, but didn't vote and proposal gained no
significant traction (5):
william stein
karl dieter
John Perry
rjf
cremona
Also, important question. Is there anybody who is *seriously*
considering
[X] No -- do not adopt the code of conduct stated below
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The result of the compilation is relocatable? I mean, would it be
eventually possible to have something that windows users just unzip and
runs? Or would they always need to compile it?
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I definitely like the idea of guidelines over code of conduct.
El viernes, 28 de noviembre de 2014 15:08:48 UTC+1, Jakob Kroeker escribió:
As already mentioned by others, the bad thing (at least from my point of
view) is that the 'code of conduct' splits the community.
To reduce the
Going to concrete proposals, i would create a wiki page where people could
start writing small comparisons that they know in concrete cases.
Maybe when we have enough of such material it would be easier to write a
nice marketing document.
P.S. I am not sure if such kind of marketing would be
That is great!. Where are those plugins available?
On a slightly unrelated subject, i could be interested in some way to
automatically convert sage worksheets into wiki pages.
El martes, 2 de diciembre de 2014 03:04:53 UTC+1, jason escribió:
On 12/1/14, 6:00, mmarco wrote:
P.S. 2
I am not sure if it is also available in the M's, or if they have some
other system to guide the user to the functions he wants to use, but for
me, tab-completion is a great feature in Sage.
El martes, 2 de diciembre de 2014 22:43:34 UTC+1, maldun escribió:
The emphasis lies on 'trying'
We have very little to work on modules over polynomial rings (no groebner
basis, resolutions, etc).
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* Many numerical functions do not work with arbitrary precision. In
Mathematica and Maple, arbitrary precision works seamlessly pretty much
everywhere. In Sage, a lot of functions are hardcoded for double precision.
A first step would be to provide really solid support for basic
Can you give some further info about it? Do we have an updated package for
fricas or do we need to install it system-wide?
It would be nice to have something like foo.integral(algorithm='fricas')
for the cases of integrals that maxima and sympy can't compute.
El viernes, 5 de diciembre de 2014
I am confused. How can fricas outperform mathematica if it is only suited for
elementary integration?
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El sábado, 6 de diciembre de 2014 09:57:09 UTC+1, tdumont escribió:
Hi,
If I read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risch_algorithm
I understand that : f=x/(sqrt(x^4+10*x^2-96*x-71)) has an anti-primitive.
I do not have maple, so I do nt know if Maple can integrate it; bur
sage
Maybe one reason to prefer ecl is that it is embeddable, which could allow us
to have a much faster interface than pexpect?
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Maybe support for arm architecture would be relevant in that respect.
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To
into the mission statement?
El lunes, 8 de diciembre de 2014 23:10:49 UTC+1, William escribió:
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jean-Pierre Flori jpf...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
On Monday, December 8, 2014 9:53:51 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
Maybe support for arm architecture would be relevant
My impression is that open sourcing SMC wouldn't have a big impact on the
business oportunity.
The main niche of clients would be universities that want to move their
math courses to the cloud. For them, having the source code mean that it
would be possible to set up their own server, but they
I'm still looking for a good converse of Henrici's 6.4g for (2). In the
real case, it is sufficient to test that f'(x) != 0 for all x in the
interval (just a single polynomial evaluation using interval arithmetic).
Is there an analogous test that holds on a complex disk? The CEVAL test
Yes, sorry, the formula is x0 -f(x0)/f'([X])
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, December 16, 2014 6:30:06 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
I'm still looking for a good converse of Henrici's 6.4g for (2). In the
real case, it is sufficient to test that f'(x) != 0 for all x in the
interval (just a single polynomial evaluation using interval arithmetic).
Is there an analogous test
I didn't hear about that problem before, but I could try to give it some
thinking. Do you have any reference to start with?
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I didn't hear about that problem before, but I could try to give it some
thinking. Do you have any reference to start with?
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I reglarly use the dev scripts. So i would really appreciate if they
remain.
But of course, if they are removed i will adapt to plain git or git trac.
But my personal preference is to keep them.
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Could you why you use them instead of 'git trac' ? Is there something
that they do and that git trac can't do ?
As i said, it is just what i am used to. It is what i did learn to use in
the beginning, and up to now i didn't had any reason to stop using them. I
don't really know what
Sorry, it seems my message was interrupted.
If you want to remove the documentation about them from the developper
guide, it is ok with me.
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Is it possible to make sphinx generate html code that is hidden with a
toggle button when it encounter a Technical details:: section? That could
be a good compromise solution.
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Happy new year everybody,
I decided to give git-trac a chance, but when i tried to configure i got
the following error:
mmarco@mountain ~/sage $ git trac config --user mmarco --pass 'madmath'
Saved trac username.
Saved trac password.
Trac xmlrpc URL:
http://trac.sagemath.org/xmlrpc
I will be quite busy this year, but if necessary, i could mentor a student.
I am not as motivated as previous years, but nevertheless i am ready to
help.
El lunes, 26 de enero de 2015, 14:06:19 (UTC+1), Harald Schilly escribió:
In two weeks, this years Google Summer of Code repeats and starts
I thinki it would be good to have some kind of IDE to work on sage
development. I would like to add a request though: having some integration
with the pdb debugger (sage has a wrapper for that through the trace
command). I have writen some simple qt app to serve as a front end for
step-by-step
AFAIK, internally sets are implemented just as dictionaries with no values.
So it wouldn't really make sense lookup to be faster in a dictionary than
a set.
Lookup time might deppend strongly on the order in which the dictionary/set
is constructed, and on the existence of hash collissions. I
an algorithm which uses
the Dowker notation to compute the polynomial. So would it not be better to
write something from scratch than to package something which is not
maintained ??
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:47 PM, mmarco mma...@unizar.es javascript:
wrote:
I have been working
It is much faster to work with absolute fields instead of towers of
extensions:
sage: K.sqrt3=QuadraticField(3)
sage: F.sqrt5=K.extension(x^2-5)
sage: R.a1,a2,a3,a4,a5 = F[]
sage: %time _=(a1+a2+a3+sqrt5*a4+sqrt3*a5)^25
CPU times: user 27.4 s, sys: 12 ms, total: 27.4 s
Wall time: 27.5 s
sage:
So, the file was created on January 23th but released online on February
28th?
Anyways, it would be nice to do something for the anyversary.
El martes, 20 de enero de 2015, 20:48:09 (UTC+1), William escribió:
Hi,
If you look at http://wstein.org/sage_old/ you'll find the first few
I have been working on patching a program that computes the homfly
polynomial of knots and links, in order to use it as a shared library. I
would like to include it as an optional sage package in the mid term, so we
could use it in the knot theory module that is being worked on (by the way,
+1 to writing a class for localizations of polynomial rings with respect to
orderings.
El jueves, 19 de febrero de 2015, 18:43:15 (UTC+1), Enrique Artal escribió:
I did not know this ticket but it is a related problem. I guess, following
also Simon, that the best choice is to create
Should we change the way to cite it? (i.e. this page in the
wiki: http://wiki.sagemath.org/Publications_using_SAGE)
El viernes, 20 de febrero de 2015, 2:59:54 (UTC+1), kcrisman escribió:
Seen on social media:
Just got the surname Math, to disambiguate with other Sages out there.
Friends
+1 to the change.
Sagemath sounds more natural than Sagemaths to me.
Should we update the way to cite it accordingly?
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I did a similar calculation for a talk last october. I used wc -l for the
total lines and sloc for the single lines of code. On Sage 6.3 i got the
following:
Language Total Lines Single lines of code
Python 1117979 598043
Cython439495218669
Sorry, when i wrote sloc i meant sloccount.
El lunes, 12 de enero de 2015, 10:55:11 (UTC+1), mmarco escribió:
I did a similar calculation for a talk last october. I used wc -l for the
total lines and sloc for the single lines of code. On Sage 6.3 i got the
following:
Language Total
If the problem is that packaging is not deterministic... what if we run the
hash check on the unpacked files instead of the tarball?
El lunes, 12 de enero de 2015, 11:59:53 (UTC+1), Thierry
(sage-googlesucks@xxx) escribió:
Hi,
it is advised to distribute unmodified upstream tarball at
If it is in July, i would be happy to give a hand. Befire that would be
impossible for me because of my teaching duties.
El jueves, 8 de enero de 2015, 17:27:45 (UTC+1), William escribió:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:20 AM, kcrisman kcri...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
Would anybody be
I saw it on Dima's webpage
http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/teaching/studentprojects/357.html
But i don't know if it was actually proposed officially.
Apperently there have been some movement on that aspect on sympy too:
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