Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-04-01 Thread Alaric Snell-Pym
Hello everybody. Time to dive in! On 03/30/11 09:44, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: The astrologer who predicts good fortune and happiness isn't actually prophesying, he's a placebo for the soul. So too these books. Indians and other third worlders seem to drink from the bottle of placebos more

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-04-01 Thread ss
On Friday 01 Apr 2011 2:18:21 pm Alaric Snell-Pym wrote: I think the challenge, rather than trying to find a form of society that is Best For Everyone, is to try and find ways for different people to live in different kinds of societies... without then trapping people in the wrong one due to

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-04-01 Thread underscore
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: The average Indian isn't a very confident animal, how else can one explain the absurd popularity of self help books? Poverty is evil. Poverty leads to a lack of control over one's life. This is true in India and much

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Venkat Mangudi
On Wednesday 30 March 2011 10:37 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: My best analogy of India and the US is the comparison between vegetable soup and salad. In the US it's still possible to visit China town, or the Mexican/Latin quarter and experience the real thing, but in India, much like

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Anish
It is a big joke among the Americans that when an Indian visits an Italian restaurant, there is a request for chilly flakes in the pasta and the pizza. It is possibly true. I go for chili oil when its pizza or pepper when its pasta :( Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Venkat Mangudi
On Wednesday 30 March 2011 11:51 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Madhu Menon c...@shiokfood.com wrote: If it's not too much trouble, could you folks please mail silk list instead of mailing the original poster and CC'ing the list? It's messing up my mail filters.

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Ashwin Kumar
On 31 March 2011 11:53, Anish anish.moham...@gmail.com wrote: It is a big joke among the Americans that when an Indian visits an Italian restaurant, there is a request for chilly flakes in the pasta and the pizza. It is possibly true. I go for chili oil when its pizza or pepper when its

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread ss
On Thursday 31 Mar 2011 11:58:05 am Ashwin Kumar wrote: It is a big joke among the Americans that when an Indian visits an Italian restaurant, there is a request for chilly flakes in the pasta and the pizza. It is possibly true. I go for chili oil when its pizza or pepper when its

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread ss
On Thursday 31 Mar 2011 11:58:05 am Ashwin Kumar wrote: I did this at a French restaurant in Singapore, and got a visit from the chef. The chef has a crisis of over confidence. You will like what I dish out or else.. shiv

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:29:24PM +0530, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: At 2011-03-30 16:30:15 +, sur...@hserus.net wrote: Cheeni suffers a bit from the india sucks because of the mediocrity, indian crab syndrome etc Hey, don't drag me into this. Picture unrelated

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-31 Thread Radhika, Y.
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Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: Well in my view the popularity of self help books does not translate to Indians not being confident. I agree. The popularity of Mein Kampf and Dinesh D'Souza books

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net] On Behalf Of Srini RamaKrishnan Sent: 30 March 2011 14:06 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Cc: ss Subject: Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: India is hardly the only country where self help books, get rich quick in 30 days books etc proliferate. I never implied that we are the only people who lack in confidence. Self help books are on New York Times

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
. Some of them are definitely not bite size platitudes -Original Message- From: Srini RamaKrishnan [mailto:che...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 March 2011 14:15 To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:45 AM

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread divya manian
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: And the dividing line between self help rubbish and sensible management books is rather thin.  Some of them are definitely not bite size platitudes Or non-existent? I think Cheeni wants us all to believe we have a

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
] A crisis of confidence Sent: Mar 30, 2011 21:43 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: And the dividing line between self help rubbish and sensible management books is rather thin.  Some of them are definitely not bite size platitudes Or non-existent? I

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: Cheeni suffers a bit from the india sucks because of the mediocrity, indian crab syndrome etc, hits most guys after a few years working abroad Heh. I enjoy playing the provocateur, if you want to attribute larger

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Anish Mohammed
:) I have to admit I partially support Cheeni in his views (if assumptions are true) , but things seem to be changing for better and I am counting on it :) so that I could come back :) Anish Mohammed Twitter: anishmohammed http://uk.linkedin.com/in/anishmohammed On 30 Mar 2011, at 17:35, Srini

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
i love story telling .. i love analogies .. i love the real thing .. and hence, am now in india .. not because i am waiting for the hockey stick curve to happen anytime soon .. because, to know india, is to love india, is to be intrigued by her. in addition, i am a big sports fan, i prefer

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:13 PM, divya manian divya.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian sur...@hserus.net wrote: And the dividing line between self help rubbish and sensible management books is rather thin.  Some of them are definitely not bite size

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Kunal Kapoor kunalkapoor1...@gmail.com wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=110329/Cricket I've been forwarded this link once before on twitter, I've glanced at it now twice and fail to get the point, I feel like echoing Amitav Ghosh

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
cheeni, with all sincere regards to ur words, and sentiments .. of course, i can see china town in amrika, yet i get food which does not taste that good. of course in india, too, that taste has gone missing. but yet, if you try real hard, drive 100 kms. out of any town in india, and then take

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
capitalistic disintegration you mean? but the trick is to wind a way around this. the real thing is always within, and not without, and books, i humbly think + feel :) On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Kunal Kapoor

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Kunal Kapoor kunalkapoor1...@gmail.com wrote: cheeni, with all sincere regards to ur words, and sentiments .. of course, i can see china town in amrika, yet i get food which does not taste that good. of course in india, too, that taste has gone missing. but

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Kunal Kapoor kunalkapoor1...@gmail.com wrote: capitalistic disintegration you mean? but the trick is to wind a way around this. the real thing is always within, and not without, and books, i humbly think + feel :) I'm sorry I don't understand.

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
1. i dont think you can compare india and america. i think both have their set of problems to deal with. comparison of any kind, especially of advanced civilizations does not make sense to me 2. experiences are wasted, if you do not learn from them 3. there is always .. i repeat .. always a

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
what i mean, is, u dont need to look back to history .. it will tell you what you already know anyways, most of what i wanted to say, is stated in my previous response thanks for the amitava ghosh link .. good to see the guy is still raging on .. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Srini

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
btw, in response to your other paragraph .. (quoted below) 1. u do not sound boastful, but u sound scientific 2. u sure you understand india? 3. i have lived in more than a dozen cities, i have lived in more huts/ villages/ blah yada .. than i remember 4. i bet you, i have read more on

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2011-03-30 16:30:15 +, sur...@hserus.net wrote: Cheeni suffers a bit from the india sucks because of the mediocrity, indian crab syndrome etc Hey, don't drag me into this. -- ams

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
Deepa, Funny Night, all. On 3/30/11, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Kunal Kapoor kunalkapoor1...@gmail.comwrote: btw, in response to your other paragraph .. (quoted below) 1. u do not sound boastful, but u sound scientific I do keep

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Kunal Kapoor kunalkapoor1...@gmail.com wrote: btw, in response to your other paragraph .. (quoted below) 1. u do not sound boastful, but u sound scientific Thank you. 2. u sure you understand india? I don't, but I am trying to, and I am not content to

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Madhu Menon
If it's not too much trouble, could you folks please mail silk list instead of mailing the original poster and CC'ing the list? It's messing up my mail filters. -- Madhu Menon http://twitter.com/madmanweb MCorp Hospitality Consulting: http://mcorphospitality.com

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Kunal Kapoor
Cheeni, All I can say dude , I feel u (sorry deepa), I know exactly how u feel + what u r saying BUT There is more to the canvas than u and I can capture About numbers, how about this: 1.3 billion and growing And the best examples u give me are of u, me, our numbers, and ur

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Madhu Menon c...@shiokfood.com wrote: If it's not too much trouble, could you folks please mail silk list instead of mailing the original poster and CC'ing the list? It's messing up my mail filters. Get better milters g,d r Filter on List-Id: Intelligent

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
On 30 March 2011 23:27, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: I do keep saying that the English language is evolving, and spellings keep changing...but surely, it can't take all that much extra effort to type you instead of u...and by the way instead of btwespecially if words like

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Treat you to a great crab dinner somewhere when you're next in chennai, to compensate --Original Message-- From: Abhijit Menon-Sen Sender: silklist-bounces+suresh=hserus@lists.hserus.net To: silklist@lists.hserus.net ReplyTo: silklist@lists.hserus.net Subject: Re: [silk] A crisis

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread ss
On Thursday 31 Mar 2011 12:34:12 am Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote: After much pain, I've come to the conclusion that this is actually a good thing. As soon as I see a u or a coz, I know that that mail can be safely ignored. Thnks bcos u cn ignore me 2. cya L8r sent from my Blueberry

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-30 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2011 23:27, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: After much pain, I've come to the conclusion that this is actually a good thing. As soon as I see a u or a coz, I know that that mail can be

[silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
The average Indian isn't a very confident animal, how else can one explain the absurd popularity of self help books? Poverty is evil. Poverty leads to a lack of control over one's life. This is true in India and much of the third world where even if you are lucky enough to be rich as an

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
While I agree with your premise, I believe the lack of confidence stems from the dread of being upstaged by another Indian. Unfortunately, India provides far too many shortcuts in life that this fear never achieves healthy competition, but a frenetic search for the next shortcut. Kiran On 29

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread ss
On Tuesday 29 Mar 2011 10:15:44 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote: The average Indian isn't a very confident animal, how else can one explain the absurd popularity of self help books Well in my view the popularity of self help books does not translate to Indians not being confident. In fact they

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
India is hardly the only country where self help books, get rich quick in 30 days books etc proliferate. I can only put it down to the number of charlatans, and their access to publishing facilities, being roughly equal across most countries. suresh ss [30/03/11 07:11 +0530]: On

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: Well in my view the popularity of self help books does not translate to Indians not being confident. I agree. The popularity of Mein Kampf and Dinesh D'Souza books does not translate to Indians being jackbooted, goose-stepping,

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread Mahesh Murthy
On Mar 29, 2011 10:18 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan che...@gmail.com wrote: The average Indian isn't a very confident animal, how else can one explain the absurd popularity of self help books? Poverty is evil. To my knowledge the US has a far higher relative consumption of self help books than India.

Re: [silk] A crisis of confidence

2011-03-29 Thread ss
On Wednesday 30 Mar 2011 7:15:47 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: India is hardly the only country where self help books, get rich quick in 30 days books etc proliferate. Books aside - Indians are overoptimistic in general. I cannot swear that overoptimistic=overconfident, but optimism does