ly on what he was
actually saying instead of endorsing it with BRAVOS etc. It was all too
clear to sentient souls.
I am that dismayed that I no longer want to share in this forum. Please
unsubscribe me forthwith.
Stephen Quinto
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Quinto [mailto:squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 4:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Reponse to Stephen Quinto
I want to correct the third paragraph of my reply Should have started
with
"
On September 26th Frank Key wrote:-
> On September 16, 2001 Mr. Stephen Quinto, President of
> Natural-Immunogenics Corp.(NIC)of Miami FL made a post to the
> members of this list.
>
> The message provided a link to his company's website on which
> there are inaccurate an
w what you mean, but I'd very much like to...!
Stephen Quinto
-Original Message-
From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@home.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 2:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>List feedback
Right on Bill !
telt...@home,com
bill
Roger,
Please tell me what you're point is. That might help.
I am only following up on my statement that there are such significant
differences between 'ionic' solutions that to categorize them thus does the
truth of the matter a disservice. My contention is that such impurities or
intentional
Ole Bob,
That's a pretty good analysis. Lots of possible ionic complexes in the
formulations!
Stephen
-Original Message-
From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net]
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ions vs Particles
Roge
Roger,
We're not discussing the solubility issue you raised. My argument is really
confined to the 'ionic vs the ionic'
These are two different subjects.
Stephen
-Original Message-
From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:24 PM
To: silver-
-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Ions vs Particles
In a message dated 9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com writes:
Subj:RE: CS>Ions vs Particles
Date:9/28/2001 12:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:squi...@silver.nxlkhost.com (Stephen
Roger,
The reason I said the fact of the matter is confounding is this: the ionic
content in a formulation is not quite so simple. The ionic silver content is
in all likelihood complexed with whatever impurities were present in the
water to begin with or that it has taken from the air. Such
r
Thanks, Roger
guess I did. But it is not so. We've got formulations based on our std
10ppm product of 23ppm 34ppm and higher -- all as might be characterized as
ionic. The truth is no doubt more complex, ie. there is 'ionic' and there
is 'ionic'. We're working at a level of scientific inqui
Kevin,
No one we know of has done the research necessary to establish in-vivo
efficacy of any silver product let alone comparatives between them.
The product you mention is stabilized at a pH of 4.24 and is clear. [As you
probably know, blood is 7.4]. When raised to pH7, to simulate the effec
Tony,
I know a lot of people combine CS with various other preparations, but
particularly responding to your post we have seen that MSM actually degrades
CS -- although this may be unique to our own formulation. Still, I thought
it worth sharing with you.
Stephen
> -Original Message-
> Fro
Mike,
Your treatise on list policy and the offer you made needs more than a quick
reply. I will respond perhaps more fully after I've had time to reflect
upon it -- esp. owing to the depth of thought you've disposed and your
deeply reflective posting.
I recently responded off-list to one of the p
Mike,
I think it was necessary to raise the dilemma to the entire list because
there is an underlying issue that has remained in the shadows. Of course
your considerations as owner and moderator are often different than those
who subscribe to the list that adds another dimension. It might be
Roger,
That was precisely the point I am making. There are "ionic solutions" of
any, even infinite, flavor.
Stephen
-Original Message-
From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 8:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Are The
That characterization -- "ionic silver solutions" -- has become too freely
employed on the list. It is an inadequate description.
I suspect that any number of molecular structures are possible, and that
each will demonstrate unique characteristics. For example, we looked at two
samples of the s
Roger,
There are too many possible in vivo applications for a simple answer.
Stephen
Subj:RE: CS>Are There Cases in Medicine When In Vito Studies Predicted
In Vivo Results
Date:9/18/2001 3:35:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:squi...@natural-immunogenics.com (Stephen Qui
Roger,
Yes, this in vitro; we're only able to establish relative bactericidal
efficacy in these materials. If you examined the paper referred to [linked]
on the "analytical services page" you will have note, for example, that we
included AgNO3 [also at 10ppm] amongst several silver preparations.
Reid,
There are at least two issues raised. But let's tackle a couple of the
important issues.
Big pharma, like all dominant industries, complicates both development and
production process to raise the stakes so that none but them can sustain the
costs of playing the game. Whereupon their princip
o:mdud...@execonn.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 4:34 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Mesosilver
>
>
> Stephen Quinto wrote:
>
> > Dear Listmembers,
> >
> > We have now included the comparative bacteriology 'paper'
> in o
Dear Listmembers,
We have now included the comparative bacteriology 'paper' in our report
titled:
"A Look At 'MESOSILVER'" accessible through the "NEWS" link on our home
page.
Our belief is that its frank_ness [and openess] is enlightening in its own
right.
As far as the discussion -- which is mor
Hi, Jan,
You wrote:- "I am a biologist and would so appreciate any information on
HOW colloidal silver works."
That is the principal unknown in the issue. The mechanism -- for which
there are several theories -- has not been determined.
Dr. [Robert O.] Becker, who may be the singular resear
Dear Listmembers,
After several references in past postings by the manufacturer of the subject
product concerning its quality and effectiveness, and now two most
recent quotes [below] the past day or so, the truth of the matter begs to be
shown, since his comments are not only self-serving but
Dear Brooks,
If you did not see my post Sunday afternoon re: -- whether particulate
(elemental) or ionic silver is more effective --
we are prepared to run an 'in vitro' evaluation per the protocol [example of
which] is now posted on our website under "Analytical Services" (in Para
3.there is a bu
Dear list,
With respect to the controversy -- whether particulate (elemental) or ionic
silver is more effective -- we'd like you to know that we have taken the
decision to provide such an 'analytical service' (offered through our
website) that may be instrumental in making this evaluation. The '
s clearly speaks
to Frank, and Frank then shares his wisdom with all of us who listen in on
the fantastic, wondrous theme park of colloidal silver discovery!
now, I think I can let it rest.
Stephen
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [mailto:squi...@natural-immunogenics.com]
>
We could do a "mesozoic park" type of script, perhaps even a cooperative
venture, with each member of the cast doing a cameo even Stuart may once
again play a role -- like Hamlet's ghost! "Oh that this too, too" How
does it go?
Stephen
> -Original Message-
> From: Ivan Anderson [m
Dear listmembers,
If Frank's comment (below) is the product of his 'homework'
on Silverlon then he leaves nothing for rational people to
discuss.
Stephen Quinto
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 20
Frank,
Stating a hypothesis as fact begs the question.
The question is:- How do you test the effectiveness?
Maybe what needs to be clarified is:- What do you mean
by effectiveness?
Stephen
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01,
Frank,
Your post below is somewhat disingenuous, since this Mesosilver is
now a commercial product made by you. What's more I quote here a
comment from the website for Mesosilver, which has your address and
telephone number:- "The lab is equipped to perform measurements of
all the physical prop
Frank,
we invested in the samples ourselves, out of intellectual curiosity.
Stephen
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 11:20 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Where to find 50 ppm..
>
>
> It was written:
If you wish to see what this product looks like by TEM (electron microscopy)
you'll find it as
Product Z on the "Images of Silver" page on our website
-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:18 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.c
Dear Brooks,
There have been many instances on the list where the discussion of mixing
other compounds with CS has been raised
In every compound mentioned in the subject above - with the exception of
gatorade - we have examined the impact on CS (from the perspective of
physical haracterization
Mike said:
> The referees of scientific journals and the moderators of symposia
> generally will not permit blatant ad hominem and other unprofessional
> expression to make it to publication.
Such 'protector's of the orthodoxy are also responsible for suppressing such
scientific inquiry into the t
Mike,
It isn't "the failure of some to endorse your arguments" but rather the
wisdom of some to expose the truth that is operative in the subject hereof.
Furthermore, the recent departure of Stuart might more accurately be
attributed to you or a position you have arbitrarily, as moderator, taken
to
Ivan: You may recall I offered Frank the opportunity of doing comparative
bacteriology work with his elemental-particle cs. When he did respond, it
was to say he was doing that work at the U of D, so didn't want to duplicate
the effort. Well, nothing more has ever been heard from him on that
subj
Frank wrote:
>
> The Zetasizer is perfectly suited to measuring nanometer sized
> particles. That is exactly what it was designed for. If you
> looked at the specifications on their web site you find that to
> be the case.
Again, we're going to beat a dead horse!
The Malvern scientist admitted t
Frank,
As I have told you
I wasn't really unhappy with the results before; they were obviously just
what I characterized them as "poppycock". I was more disturbed by your
lack of clarity and objectivity -- implicit in your arguments and explicit
in your "pursuit".
I am still concerned in
orts
>
>
> You did; see your message.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [mailto:squi...@natural-immunogenics.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:14 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Commercial Product Reports
>
>
> tests!
r my teats in-vivo.
>
> JOH
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [mailto:squi...@natural-immunogenics.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:01 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Commercial Product Reports
>
>
> See my replies interspersed
Frank,
ref your "A rather misinformed comment, wouldn't you say, given the fact
that there is a size distribution plot that clearly shows a huge volume peak
at 2.4 nm that is available for all to see".
why not send me a sample of that specially prepared sample and we'll make
available and/or pu
See my replies interspersed below
> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 12:15 PM
>
> You presuppose that in vitro tests have some relevance to what colloidal
> silver does in the body. It clearly does not. In the body there
>
Original Message -
Stephen Quinto said:
> As well, the Malvern scientist could not assure me absolutely that there
is
> no magnetic energy created by the machine, and we already know that the
> finer the colloid, the more magnetic fields impact it.
>
Stephen,
Would you please el
-Original Message-
From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@strsoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:36 PM
To: Silver List
Subject: CS>Commercial Product Reports
Technical information on the physical properties of colloidal silver
commercial products is available in a new section titled "Comme
Ivan, Roger, Mike etal,
The technical discussions suggest acute intellectual curiosity, and,
like others here, I confess to having learned a great deal from them. The
ultimate beneficiaries of such discourse may well be those who participate
[orlurk] on this list. I'm sure a majority of your a
Frank, down below, you say: "When viewing this plot, keep in mind that the
TEM analysis indicated the particles
were 1-2 nm in diameter."
Well, that is just NOT SO. The analysis did not say that; it said 90 % or
so in the range of 1 to 8nm, with the predominant distribution in the 1 to
2nm and 6
Roger,
I really wanted to make a point that of course quantity is important, but only
part of the issue; even more important is quality. I'm afraid our 'system'
supports the concept that might is right, ergo stronger is better (as it
relates to CS). At issue is the relative performance of a wi
is that adequate response to critical conditions are often been delayed by
such ignorant practice. And indeed caused death when help would otherwise
have been a certainty.
Stephen Quinto
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen Hessler"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:32 AM
S
Ole Bob,
Dr. Bart Flick, of Silverlon fame, has a [silver] device that is now
[recent] FDA approved and effective for CTS I am advised, without such
drastic means. Information on it can undoubtedly be obtained from his
website www.silverlon.com
Best wishes to all
Stephen
- Original Message
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Quinto
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re:HVAC-LVDC
> Hi, James,
>
> the clumping you refer to only appears to occur when the particles are: 1)
> neutral of charge and/or 2) in an ionic medium tha
Hi, Guenther,
First, these micrographs were taken at 100,000x for comparative purposes.
But we have pics also at 480,000x (the limit of our machine). There is also
an optical scope with 8x objective lenses that further magnifies the image
on the plate, so theoretically we can see 3,840,000x. But
Marshall, Roger and Listers all,
I'd like to reply to the last para below: I don't know of any SEMs that will
resolve below 20 nm (nanometers); most are not better than 30 to 40 nm. The
accepted choice (of particle characterization experts) for particles as small
as those we are hopefully ta
Ahoy, Bob Lee,
Let us presume that we respect wisdom sufficiently to consider a fourth step
in that scientific method AND of natural law that "style" when applied by
whatever medium is art WHEN it is consistent with those divine precepts and
bogus when not
Hence in a land is full of cows, bot
of interest to list
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:31 PM
Subject: Open Letter to FDA re Codex [Edited by sender for brrevity]
>From John C. Hammell, President 5/5/2000
International Advocates for Health Freedom
j...@iahf.com
I would like to make an appointment with either ,Ellen Anderson, Dr.
...and bless you Bob Lee
- Original Message -
From: Tai-Pan
To: Steve geigle
Cc: silver-list
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT: Save your seeds
Hi Steve,
The terminator gene is a major problem.
Its whole purpose is to force growers to buy ne
replies have satisfied your questions. I don't think we can
ethically identify the sources of the samples we've seen.
Regards to all
Stephen
FTNWO
-Original Message-----
From: Stephen Quinto
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: CS
Hi, Ivan ...and others struggling with the pH issue... and, oh yeah, the
oxide vs hydroxide issue and, well, the conductivity (for some:
concentration) issue
There are lots of questions about the problems inherent in HVAC
I mentioned in an earlier post that the particles sintered o
Ivan,
one thing is stunningly clear: CS with both the smallest and most
completely charged particles will have the least conductivity.
But there is a caveat: the crystalline composition that appears to be the
consequence of HVAC also demonstrates a low conductivity, almost as if that
product has
Trem, and other interested listers,
I may be sticking my "two cents" in here a bit obtusely but I'm sure I'm not
alone in thinking that this list-serve is not intended to be a marketplace
for products or services, or a place for commercial discussions
Stephen
- Original Message -
Fro
cs, then the added cs would account for the change in conductivity.
>
> Best Regards, Robert Ratliff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [mailto:squi...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>
py comparing digested and
undigested procedures on the same batch of CS?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
> FTNWO
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 11:16 AM
> T
to the technophobes.
>
> Trem
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Stephen Quinto
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: CS> PPM
>
>
> > Trem --
> >
> > The question of "digestion" has been addressed many times. H
Trem --
The question of "digestion" has been addressed many times. Here is our take
on it:
Assuming that the standards are accurate (and appropriate to the range
of sample expected) the results will be the same whatever the form of silver
(whether ionized or dissolved or elemental -- digeste
To Ivan & others who use conductivity meters,
A conductivity meter is just what it says it is. It will give an unreliable
approximation of concentration, but it is being used to be something it is
not.
The quality of water changes constantly, and hence its conductivity. So
does the colloid, whi
mus' be the silver
- Original Message -
From: Dale Shields
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 9:15 PM
Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #290
> In fact, Steve, you look better than the last time I saw you !! :o)
> Nice picture.
>
> An Irish blessing: Get on your knees an
g the charge on the particles?
>
> How are you measuring total mg/L Ag?
>
> Additional exchanges are included in your reply...
>
> Thanks again,
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@min
which are not?
>
> 4. With what "undistorted form" of silver are you comparing the HVAC
> particles? Does this mean that the center faced cubic crystal of the
> silver brutalized by the HV is now forming different angles?
>
> 5. Can you share your data on t
smetic
>conditions or toxic products.
>
>The foregoing is totally without available documentation, and represents
>only my present attempt to understand and widely open to correction or
>elaboration.
>
>James Osbourne Holmes
>a...@trail.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
7, 2000 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L
>Thank you Stephen.
>
>Do you know if the digestion is required with wet spectroscopy?
>
>James Osbourne Holmes
>a...@trail.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mi
hen we have new data to apply
to the argument.
Stephen
-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers.
>Stephen Quinto wrote:
>
>> I think it was Marsha
I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the
rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that
consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates
in that role.
The implication being that the colloidal particles that might otherw
Marshall, and "coyote",
there is a product on the market - also produced chemically - one of the
finest colloids we've seen. But it has a pH of 3.1, effectively a mild
acid. However it is free of any ionic attribute, a pure colloid! I
suggested that we bring it up to pH normal and have a look...
To the list:
It's interesting to note discussion of the formation of oxides and hydroxides
as inevitable. Both are insoluble in water. I recall we were convinced early on
that the white precipitate was hydroxide so we culled and dried it. In light
it was transformed to a dark blue, much like i
nsistently. But I
> still wonder.
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:06 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS Makers> me
James,
If you rely upon ionizing the particles so they react with the reagents in
order to get a spectrophotometer reading, then you have to completely
"digest" the sample; otherwise your reading is transient, hence
inconclusive.
Stephen
- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes
To reply to your request, Steve, for developing visual standards for testing
size or strength you've just asked the impossible.
The only way to determine size is to visually measure the particles (or
chunks) of silver in calibrated visualizing equipment such as a Transmission
Electron Microsc
, and
the
> > > absolute peak are unknown, at least to me. However results tend to
make me
> > > think that the peak in the range of 1 to 15 nm is fairly broad.
> > >
> > > This is an area which I feel needs additional exploration. Problem is
that
> >
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