At 05:32 PM 1/10/2010, you wrote:
Sol:
Do you really think the aluminum is safe?
Yes, I don't worry about aluminum.
sol
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John writes:
I'm beginning to wonder if there is any safe cooking pots or
cooking ware?
That's about where I got to, John. I read up on a bunch of stuff, at
least superficially, and didn't find one that wasn't accused of doing
*something* bad to you.
In the grand scheme of things, though,
Hi, Mike:
Ahhh... Another Libertarian. Thank God for that. Good points, Mike.
There isn't much we can control in the environment which is being
continually polluted with newer and better and more convenient technology
(which can be very harmful) It's one reason I moved further into the
It seems af if most Indians cook in aluminum pans and the rest in
stainless steel.
They are touted as having an extremely low rate of Alzheimer's disease...
Dan
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:14 PM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:
John writes:
I'm beginning to wonder if there is any safe
In a message dated 1/10/2010 10:11:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bhangcha...@gmail.com writes:
So I've... ahem... put it on
the back burner for a while.
Oh Mike, that was a good one !! Brought a smile to me this morning after 9
degree snowy walk in the woods with the pups.Lois
Same here. After some initial reading a few years ago about the evils of
teflon, stainless steel, and aluminum, I bought a set of Vision Ware on eBay.
Then I read about the evils of Vision Ware. Enough is enough...now I use
whatever's handy (no peeling teflon, of course).
Terry
M. G.
At 08:10 AM 1/10/2010, you wrote:
It seems af if most Indians cook in aluminum pans and the rest in
stainless steel.
They are touted as having an extremely low rate of Alzheimer's disease...
Dan,
Funny you should mention. When I had to get rid of all my
stainless steel cookware, that
Sol:
Do you really think the aluminum is safe?
John
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:00 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:
At 08:10 AM 1/10/2010, you wrote:
It seems af if most Indians cook in aluminum pans and the rest in
stainless steel.
They are touted as having an extremely low rate of
Aluminum is excreted via the kidneys. Aluminum
becomes a problem when the water is fluoridated or
if you take prescription meds with fluoride in
them, and there are many meds with fluoride in
them. Fluoride picks up aluminum and carries it
past the blood brain barrier into the brain.
Would it have been a Mercola article because I seem to remember this also - and
being surprised too. dee
On 8 Jan 2010, at 23:13, sol wrote:
At 02:11 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote:
Sol:
I'd be interested in where you read that Vision Ware leeches lead if you can
recall. Hmmmnnn. i had always
Mercola sells his own cook ware... Interesting seems like everything's
bad to competitors... I don't see how Vision ware could leech lead...
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
Would it have been a Mercola article because I seem to remember this
Sol:
I read the link on Vision Ware. I'm going to write Corning and get more
info. Who wrote the info about Corning at Mothering - there is no
reference? I'm beginning to wonder if there is any safe cooking pots or
cooking ware? Seems there are drawbacks to most. Whitaker and Mercola are
At 04:24 AM 1/9/2010, you wrote:
Would it have been a Mercola article because I seem to remember this
also - and being surprised too. dee
Indeed I think that could have been the source.
sol
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At 07:12 AM 1/9/2010, you wrote:
Sol:
I read the link on Vision Ware. I'm going to write Corning and get
more info. Who wrote the info about Corning at Mothering - there is
no reference? I'm beginning to wonder if there is any safe cooking
pots or cooking ware? Seems there are drawbacks
In that case Mike, you would have to do the same with the brands which John
believes are contaminant free also! After all, it is only their word that he
is going on too, isn't it grin? dee
On 7 Jan 2010, at 16:19, M. G. Devour wrote:
Dee writes:
But in this case Annie, Marshall *has*
Dear Peace:
Thank you kindly, Peace. I was getting bombarded by those that seem to know
it all regarding aluminum and I appreciate you entering the fray with some
positive ideas and real testing principles. Thanks, again.
As for the use of Teflon that Marshall seems to support, I wouldn't use
John E. Stevens wrote:
Dear Peace:
Thank you kindly, Peace. I was getting bombarded by those that seem
to know it all regarding aluminum and I appreciate you entering the
fray with some positive ideas and real testing principles. Thanks,
again.
As for the use of Teflon that Marshall
At 08:55 AM 1/8/2010, you wrote:
Glass stove top Vision ware is one of the best.
I have read but can't recall where, that vision ware leaches lead.
i don't use iron frying pans or dutch ovens (even though I have
some) because iron can leach into the food and that is not
something any man
Sol:
I'd be interested in where you read that Vision Ware leeches lead if you can
recall. Hmmmnnn. i had always thought it was one of the best.
John
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:
At 08:55 AM 1/8/2010, you wrote:
Glass stove top Vision ware is one of
At 02:11 PM 1/8/2010, you wrote:
Sol:
I'd be interested in where you read that Vision Ware leeches lead if
you can recall. Hmmmnnn. i had always thought it was one of the best.
Yes, I've heard it is one of the best also. I cannot substantiate my
memory re lead and visionware, could not
I've been trying to find info on vision ware re my memory of it being
a problem, and didn't find anything about lead, but did find this:
While anodized aluminum pots are not reactive, manufacturing them is
toxic to the environment, so I can't endorse them. In the anodizing
process, the etch
It sounds to me as though it could have been a smear campaign, and who knows if
*other* manufacturers use aluminium bins or grinding tools either? Do they
state this in their blurb? To be objective, one must apply all criteria to all
interested parties, I believe. dee
On 7 Jan 2010, at
Dee:
When there is guaranteed aluminum free sodium bicarbonate out there in the
natural health world, why would anyone take a chance with a product that may
have aluminum in it? Free of aluminum sodium bicarbonate is available at
inexpensive prices. I cross reference everything that comes to me
But then, AH say there *isn't* any in their product either, so how do you
differentiate? How can you possibly know that one is being truthful and one
isn't? I hope Marshall is able to analyse the product just to see if it is
correct. dee
On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:13, John E. Stevens wrote:
Haven't we beaten this to death yet?
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But then, AH say there *isn't* any in their product
This debate could go on forever. I'm dropping out. Believe what you
wish...
John
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
But then, AH say there *isn't* any in their product either, so how do you
differentiate? How can you possibly know that one is being
2010
Subject: Re: CSWhere to find pure sodium bicarbonate
But then, AH say there *isn't* any in their product either, so how do you
differentiate? How can you possibly know that one is being truthful and one
isn't? I hope Marshall is able to analyse the product just to see if it is
correct
As I stated earlier, I tested aH for the to possible forms of aluminum
from machinery, and they were negative. There is no detectable aluminum
metal or aluminum oxide in it.
Marshall
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
It sounds to me as though it could have been a smear campaign, and who
knows if
If you are wanting to completely eliminate aluminum from your diet you
need to be looking at foods that actually contain significant amounts of
aluminum, an not ASP chemical products which can contain at most a trace
of aluminum contamination which is true of ANYTHING you eat.. See
I can analyze it for whichever compound of aluminum is said to be in
there. Those saying it is in there are unable to say which compound it
is, so it sounds to me like a smear campaign, if they really know it is
in there, they would know what form it is in. I have tested for the two
most
Dee writes:
But in this case Annie, Marshall *has* tested it scientifically and it
came up negative, which is as much proof as anyone could need surely?
Well, not quite, Dee! grin
Marshall, what mode of testing are you using? It seems to be quite
specific as to compound, and you need to know
Well thats good enough for me Marshall. I believe in being fair minded and
not believing everything negative until it is proved i.e. hearsay. After all,
if I had done this when I read about CS then I would never have used it and
would have missed out on a marvellous product. Thank you for
I've seen this same debate elsewhere, and no one
could come up with any proof, just she said, he
said, they said, I heard. *Shrug* I'd be more
concerned about the baking powder myself. And if
anyone would know for sure, I would think it would
be Brooks, and he definitely would tell us what
But in this case Annie, Marshall *has* tested it scientifically and it came up
negative, which is as much proof as anyone could need surely? dee
On 7 Jan 2010, at 19:00, Annie B Smythe wrote:
I've seen this same debate elsewhere, and no one could come up with any
proof, just she said, he
Yep, the fact that Marshall tested it, and it
showed no aluminum content is enough for me:)
Annie
If we could sell our experiences for what they
cost us, we'd all be millionaires.
Abigail Van Buren
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
But in this case Annie, Marshall *has* tested it scientifically and
Uhh...
no, John,
You have listed no references.
Nothing anyone can verify.
Buy what you want, but I am unconvinced.
Chuck
In a Veterinarian's waiting room:
Be back in 5 minutes. Sit! Stay!
On 1/7/2010 8:13:41 AM, John E. Stevens
Dear Dan,
You write:
Saying You're full of crap about this one is not an ad hominem
attack. It equivalent to saying You are absolutely mistaken about this
one... It is not saying that 'I don't believe you because you're full
of crap.' Admittedly, it is somewhat rude, but not outside of
M. G. Devour wrote:
Dee writes:
But in this case Annie, Marshall *has* tested it scientifically and it
came up negative, which is as much proof as anyone could need surely?
Well, not quite, Dee! grin
Marshall, what mode of testing are you using?
Well the test for elemental aluminum
Mike,
I have to take exception to your remark.
Saying You're full of crap about this one is not an ad hominem
attack. It equivalent to saying You are absolutely mistaken about
this one... It is not saying that 'I don't believe you because
you're full of crap.' Admittedly, it is somewhat rude,
John Stevens wrote:
Believe what you wish, but personally, I'd
do some deeper research or have it tested.
John,
Let me ask if you have had a sample of Arm Hammer baking soda
analyzed for aluminum contamination, and can you share the report and
its provenance with us?
All I've seen so far
In a message dated 1/5/2010 5:21:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:
Addendum/correction:
This is so interestingThanks---Lois
Mike;
i don't have inevitable proof, only what I've read from various sources over
the years. From what I understand and recall, the aluminum somehow gets
into the sodium bicarbonate in the processing stages. I don't know if A H
use aluminum bins, aluminum grinding tools, or what, but from
John E. Stevens wrote:
Marshall:
if you can test for it, please do so and publish your results.
If anyone will tell me that I am testing for. I need to know what
compound of aluminum is suppose to be in there.
as far as the FDA is concerned, you must be joking...
FDA does take action on
In addition to the below, there is no real assurance that the baking
soda that is sold as being better than Arm and Hammer is not made by
Church and Dwight. It makes sense to me that ALL U.S. produced baking
soda is refined by Church and Dwight, because I live where it is
mined and produced,
At 01:32 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote:
Marshall:
if you can test for it, please do so and publish your results. as
far as the FDA is concerned, you must be joking...
John
The FDA does take labelling of ingredients very seriously. It is one
of the only things they are good for. This doesn't
The FDA does take labelling of ingredients very seriously. It is one of the
only things they are good for. This doesn't mean they don't allow a lot of
questionable or harmful stuff to be put into products, it just means they
care that the labelling is accurate.
sol
Addendum/correction:
The natural Soda company of Colorado does produce sodium bicarbonate
by solution mining. I was unaware of that before researching
further.sorry. Here is a link to the analysis of their
Food grade #3 fine powder shows there are indeed contaminants in the
John, where can we find these outside reports which indicate there is
aluminum in Arm Hammer baking soda?
Alan
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John E. Stevens
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you need to see some outside reports. You're very trusting but may
be in harm's way.
Alan: Dr. Wm Campbell Douglass II has some info on it. David G. Williams,
a notable and excellent chiropractic researcher, also has some info on it.
I'd check Dr. James Balch, too. Maybe Dr. Shallenberger, too. Dr. Robert
Rowan would be another good source. Manufacturers, in my research,
Well, if it was contaminated with aluminum or any other chemical, they
would be in big trouble, labeling requirements are not taken lightly by
the FDA. Also since sodium bicarbonate is one of the cheapest chemicals
in the world, and all aluminum compounds are much more expensive why
would
Since you seem to think you are the expert on this, tell me what form
this aluminum is in. If you know so much about it, you must know the
form. I have a box of AH soda and will test for it.
Marshall
John E. Stevens wrote:
Okay, master - whatever you say... Believe what you wish big mouth!
My understanding of it is that a competitor
started the rumor about aluminum in Arm Hammer
many years ago, and it has hung around ever since.
Gives you a real respect for the power of words
and the harm or benefit they can bring about.
Annie
If we could sell our experiences for what they
Marshall:
if you can test for it, please do so and publish your results. as far as
the FDA is concerned, you must be joking...
John
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote:
My understanding of it is that a competitor started the rumor about
aluminum in Arm
any, I'm taking
them at their word. I have no reason to think that it would be otherwise.
Steve G.
--- On Mon, 1/4/10, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: CSWhere to find pure sodium bicarbonate
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Okay, master - whatever you say... Believe what you wish big mouth! Do
you, too, work for Arm and Hammer? Paid shills - they're amazing...
John
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
John,
You're full of crap about this one...
There is no aluminum in Arm
Thank you for taking the time to contact Church Dwight Co., Inc.
regarding ARM HAMMER Baking Soda.
Your comments are important to us and provide valuable information that
helps us maintain the high level of quality you have come to expect from
our products and services.
Our baking soda is
Hi John,
What about giving some info about where you got your info please. Or
maybe how to put up a search for what you are on about?
Maybe you are thinking of Baking Powder which could have aluminium. One
formula is :
Baking powder consists of baking soda, one or more acid salts (cream of
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Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:08:59 AM
Subject: Re: CSWhere to find pure sodium bicarbonate
Okay, master - whatever you say... Believe what you wish big mouth! Do you,
too, work for Arm and Hammer? Paid shills - they're amazing...
John
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Dan Nave
that two-liner on the subject!! lol
MA
*From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 6:08:59 AM
*Subject:* Re: CSWhere to find pure sodium bicarbonate
Okay, master - whatever you say... Believe what you wish big mouth! Do
you
Out of curiosity, I looked up a site that explained the various methods of
producing baking soda. None of them involve aluminum. For this reason, I am
comfortable with any brand of baking soda as long as it is not made in China.
I would then be concerned about lead, melamine, or other odd
As already mentioned. Bob's Rad Mill is agood source, health food stores,
too. I also get it from Dr. Clark's site - drclark.com or drclark.net.
John
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:15 PM, patriot2...@cox.net wrote:
Lisa wrote:
John can you provide names, websites and/or links to a pure sodium
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:17:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
patriot2...@cox.net writes:
John can you provide names, websites and/or links to a pure sodium
bicarbonate.
I’d like to get something tried and true J
Thanks,
Lisa
Sorry to jump in here but I e-mailed the producers
The label lists only one ingredient: sodium bicarbonate
under other information is: each 1/2 tsp is 658 mg sodium
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:17:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
patriot2...@cox.net writes:
John can you provide
I don't believe Arm Hammer, Lois. Pure Sodium bicarbonate can be found in
most health food stores and at drclark.net or drclark.com - where I buy
mine.
John
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/1/2010 10:17:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
In a message dated 1/2/2010 1:44:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com writes:
I don't believe Arm Hammer, Lois. Pure Sodium bicarbonate can be found
in most health food stores and at _drclark.net_ (http://drclark.net/) or
_drclark.com_ (http://drclark.com/) -
I think you need to see some outside reports. You're very trusting but may
be in harm's way. The FDA said Vioxx was safe and it only killed 139,000
people. They also say vaccines are safe and we're suffering 1 out of 110
Autistic children these days. And the ADA and the FDA say mercury fillings
John,
You're full of crap about this one...
There is no aluminum in Arm and Hammer Baking Soda.
Dan
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John E. Stevens
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you need to see some outside reports. You're very trusting but may
be in harm's way. The FDA said
Lisa wrote:
John can you provide names, websites and/or
links to a pure sodium bicarbonate.
Id like to get something tried and true
J
Thanks,
Lisa
Here is the information you seek:
http://www.iherb.com/Bob-s-Red-Mill-Baking-Aids
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