date:20070319

There is none.  This cholesterol thing is a myth perpetuated by companies
trying to sell cholesterol lowering products, plus the big drug companies. 
Our parents ate this natural substance with no ill effects as do I.  The
incidences of cancer and heart disease have trebled since the low fat
debacle.  Eat as naturally as you can, but all things in moderation, and you
can't go wrong.  Dee  
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Deborah Gerard
Date: 19/03/2007 00:53:34
To: cs
Subject: CSAlternative to butter
 
What is a better alternative to butter? thanks debbie

Re: CSRSD(tissue and nerve regeneration)

2007-03-19 Thread Lisa Shepherd

I read somewhere that silver is prone to cause some tissues to regenerate. Is 
this true?
  Does it have an effect on nerves?

Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:
  This info was sent by my daughter:

For RSD (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy/ Complex Regional Pain Syndrome), I think 
it depends on what the current definition of RSD is as to if any viral cause 
can/will be found. In the past, they've allowed an RSD diagnosis with or 
without a trauma injury.

Revised criteria has suggested if there is no injury, it's not RSD. That being 
said, there have been a whole lot of people being diagnosed with RSD after more 
common viral things like Fifth's Disease (parvovirus). Because a whole lot of 
viral infections are never diagnosed and just shrugged off as being overworked 
or tired, a whole lot of the cases eventually being diagnosed as RSD with no 
known cause may in fact be viral in origin.

At any rate, real physical damage to the nerve has been noted in all forms of 
RSD. It certainly wouldn't hurt to take colloidal silver to perhaps attempt to 
keep it from spreading if there was any chance of a viral involvement, but 
unless it was able to trigger the nerves to heal themselves, I don't think it 
would do much to help. 

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Re: CSasthma

2007-03-19 Thread Richard

Hi Terry, ( or anyone else ) am looking for info on cs and any  
benefits for asthma sufferers - many thanks - Richard

On 26/01/2007, at 18:30, Terry Chamberlin wrote:


I have had several reports from clients of 1 - 3 day
successes using CS to fight shingles. Most of these
clients drank CS generously (1-oz, 3xday or more).
Some applied CS externally, some didn't. One client
reported overnight results with the CS Salve that I
sell to HF stores here in Canada.

Since shingles is a herpes virus (herpes zoster), it
responds the same as herpes simplex I  II (cold sores
 VD), which CS is very effective against.

In addition to CS, 8-10,000 mg/day of the amino acid
lysine will nearly always clear up any member of the
herpes family in short order.

It is also imperative that a person fighting any
herpes virus adjust their diet to omit (until the
sores are gone) all nuts, beans and seeds. These items
contain high levels of arginine, an amino acid that
makes the herpes virus flourish.

A regime such I have outlined here will, except in the
most stubborn cases, produce very positive results
within a week.

Terry Chamberlin

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Re: CSRe: EIS, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Pat

That is so clever and funny.  My kids got me with it the first time I heard 
about it.  I was really concerned about it.

 Pat

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All seriousness aside 
The dangers of using acronyms (letters to represent longer words/terms, 
etc.)
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CSAsthma: alternative approach

2007-03-19 Thread Faith Saint Francis


Richard wrote:


am looking for info on cs and any benefits for asthma sufferers


For asthma there is a Reflexological approach, which is not really difficult 
to do.


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CSButter, etc.

 In my opinion there is no alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

Terry Chamberlin

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CScholestrol

2007-03-19 Thread Faith Saint Francis


Respected CS Forum!

Seeing the diferent posts on butter, cholestrol and the like one thought 
came up:
Shall we please NOT forget that the machine we call body by lack of a better 
word

is in NEED of cholestrol also?

Faith St. Francis

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CSbutter or Ghee

2007-03-19 Thread Faith Saint Francis


In India they make Ghee out of butter.
They warm up the butter substance so it becomes liquid, and the inferior 
constituents come
floating on the surface. These are then removed and the remainder is 
consumed or used for any

recipe.
If you want to know more about Ghee and its benefits, please look up the 
Ayurvedic approaches of alimentation in your browser.


Faith St. Francis



From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: cs silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSAlternative to butter
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:53:03 -0700 (PDT)

What is a better alternative to butter? thanks debbie

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Re: CScholestrol

Actually, I meant to say just that!  The body needs cholesterol for every
single component in order to repair.  The liver produces cholesterol as and
when it is needed, so if the cholesterol levels are up, then the cause of
this should be investigated, rather than just trying to lower the
cholesterol.  I actually think this cold be very dangerous.  Dee  

---Original Message---

From: Faith Saint Francis
Date: 03/19/07 13:14:44
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CScholestrol

Respected CS Forum!

Seeing the diferent posts on butter, cholestrol and the like one thought
came up:
Shall we please NOT forget that the machine we call body by lack of a better
word
is in NEED of cholestrol also?

Faith St. Francis

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Re: CSEveryday Products Made Better with Olive Oil - Lee Iacocca's Olivio/TERRI





I read that Canola Oil was
not good. Isn't it genetically modified? 
Jodi

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Re: CSButter, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Gertrude


Becel Non Hydrogenated Margarine with Bertolli Olive Oil

Terry try Bertolli margarine.

I always buy Bertolli margarine(not Becel)

We can buy it  in 250 gram and 500 gramvery good,very nice!!

Trudy
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CSoil site ........more margarine

2007-03-19 Thread Gertrude

http://www.oil-site.com/s/olive_oil_margarine

Maybe you see  wat you want Terry
 
Trudy

Re: CSoil site ........more margarine

2007-03-19 Thread Day Sutton


I have never seen a margarine that does not contain hydroginated, or
partially hydroginated oils.  Some even add (ug!) cotton seed or soy bean
oil...

On 3/19/07, Gertrude dj...@home.nl wrote:


 http://www.oil-site.com/s/olive_oil_margarine

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Re: CSButter, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Scott

Terry,
This is the only site I've found that has non-hydrogenated stick butter.  Check 
it out and let us know what you think:  
http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html . 

In His Service,
Scott Young



Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:  In my opinion there is no 
alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

Terry Chamberlin

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Re: CSRSD(tissue and nerve regeneration)

Silver ions have been proven to cause cells to revert back to stem
cells, then redifferentiate to the correct cells needed when they are
injured. That DOES include the nerve cells going into the injured
area. See Robert Becker's book, The Electric Body for more information.

Marshall

Lisa Shepherd wrote:
I read somewhere that silver is prone to cause some tissues to
regenerate. Is this true?

Does it have an effect on nerves?

*/Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com/* wrote:

This info was sent by my daughter:

For RSD (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy/ Complex Regional Pain
Syndrome), I think it depends on what the current definition of
RSD is as to if any viral cause can/will be found. In the past,
they've allowed an RSD diagnosis with or without a trauma injury.

Revised criteria has suggested if there is no injury, it's not
RSD. That being said, there have been a whole lot of people being
diagnosed with RSD after more common viral things like Fifth's
Disease (parvovirus). Because a whole lot of viral infections are
never diagnosed and just shrugged off as being overworked or
tired, a whole lot of the cases eventually being diagnosed as RSD
with no known cause may in fact be viral in origin.

At any rate, real physical damage to the nerve has been noted in
all forms of RSD. It certainly wouldn't hurt to take colloidal
silver to perhaps attempt to keep it from spreading if there was
any chance of a viral involvement, but unless it was able to
trigger the nerves to heal themselves, I don't think it would do
much to help.

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Re: CScholestrol

I don't think the body needs an external source of cholestrol. It 
manufacturers what it needs. If you eat cholerstrol, it simply makes 
less, but if it needs more, it simply makes it.


Marshall

Faith Saint Francis wrote:

Respected CS Forum!

Seeing the diferent posts on butter, cholestrol and the like one 
thought came up:
Shall we please NOT forget that the machine we call body by lack of a 
better word

is in NEED of cholestrol also?

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Re: CScholestrol

I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and prawns and
eggs have lecithin to balance this.  Dee 

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From: Marshall Dudley
Date: 03/19/07 16:00:37
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CScholestrol

I don't think the body needs an external source of cholestrol. It
manufacturers what it needs. If you eat cholerstrol, it simply makes
less, but if it needs more, it simply makes it.

Marshall

Re: CSRSD(tissue and nerve regeneration)

2007-03-19 Thread Guenter Poelz

Marshall Dudley schrieb:
Silver ions have been proven to cause cells to revert back to stem
cells, then redifferentiate to the correct cells needed when they are
injured. That DOES include the nerve cells going into the injured
area. See Robert Becker's book, The Electric Body for more information.

Marshall

This sounds good. But what happens if the nerve cells are not injured
but just dying?

Guenter

Lisa Shepherd wrote:
I read somewhere that silver is prone to cause some tissues to
regenerate. Is this true?

Does it have an effect on nerves?

*/Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com/* wrote:

This info was sent by my daughter:

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CScholesterol, Milk and Eggs

2007-03-19 Thread CWFugitt


At 10:31 AM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and prawns 
and eggs have lecithin to balance this.  Dee


Why do you think it needs balancing?

One great doctors says a reading of 300 to 400 is about right.

I know a weight lifter and runner whose reading is 400 plus and has been 
for 20 years.


The highest mine has ever been was 212 and I used to eat 6 raw eggs per day 
and one gallon of milk.


Milk is a super food and always has been.  Then man comes along and adds 
hormones, chemicals, and destroys the fat molecules to create defective 
cell membrane walls.


Recently I heard a story of a man who weighed over 300 pounds, had heart 
problems, edema, and diabetes.


He cured all of them with RAW MILK.

Read the 1929 article from the Mayo clinic about the people treated with 
nothing but milk.

http://www.fugitt.com/realmilk.htm

Cholesterol is not evil but a necessary nutrient.

The Cholesterol Scam is the biggest financial rip off in the history of 
modern civilization.


Wayne




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CSCholesterol!

On the subject of cholesterol, I've resisted it, but
it seems I must have my rant.

There are many articles available concerning the
inaccuracy of the modern view of cholesterol. These
articles cite various studies going all the way back
to when the Theory of Cholesterol concerning heart
disease was first promoted by medical/pharmaceutical
authorities. These articles tend to emphasize various
and numerous research findings, all quite valid, all
very scientific and all a bit complicated and
technical. Contact me directly to acquire copies of
these articles.

I want to examine the Cholesterol Myth from a
different angle, using plain language and minimizing
the technical.

Everyone in our society understands how high
cholesterol causes heart disease. We have all been
taught practically from infancy about the dangers of
consuming too much cholesterol.

So lets look at it again.

OK, heres how it goes: If you eat too much
cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body
doesnt use will float around in your blood stream
and, because it is a sticky fat, will begin to adhere
to the insides of your blood stream walls. As this
layer of sticky cholesterol continues to accumulate on
your blood vessel walls, the corridor through which
your blood is flowing will become narrower and
narrower. Your blood will become more and more
restricted in its flow, until some part of your body
that needs a lot of blood (usually your heart,
sometimes your brain) will be impaired in its function
because of insufficient blood supply. In the case of
your heart, you will either experience angina (heart
pain from insufficient blood supply) or a heart attack
(part of your heart dies from insufficient blood and
the oxygen it supplies).

In addition to these two events, there are
accompanying problems such as high blood pressure. We
understand high BP to be caused by the layers of
cholesterol on the blood vessel walls making them
rigid and inflexible and interfering with healthy
blood pressure regulation.

That about sums it up, doesnt it? Isnt that how
youve been given to understand it?

Lets look closer at this theory.

Lets say that you are concerned about your blood
cholesterol level. You go to your doctor and say,
Doc, I want to know how high my cholesterol is. He
sticks a needle in your arm, takes out some blood and
sends it to a laboratory to have it tested. 

First question: What does the doc take the blood out
of, an artery or a vein? He takes it out of a vein.

Have you ever heard of hardening of the veins?
Veinerosclerosis? If the sticky cholesterol sticks to
the sides of the blood vessel walls, why doesnt it
stick to the walls of the veins?

The reason is that the body doesnt want it to. The
body WANTS the cholesterol to stick to the sides of
the arteries. The cholesterol that is accumulating on
the sides of the artery walls is NOT the cholesterol
you eat, it is primarily cholesterol produced by the
liver in response to an imbalanced metabolic condition
the body is trying to cope with.

Why would the body do that?

The explanation you will next read comes from the
teachings of the late Dr. Carey Reams,
biophysicist/biochemist.

To understand the big picture of health and nutrition,
the bottom line is this: We are MADE of minerals. (1)
We are not made of vitamins or enzymes or hormones or
herbs, we are made of minerals. I think that nearly
everyone knows that our bodies are made up of 80%
water. I weigh 175 lbs., so if all the water in my
body was removed, there would be about 35 lbs. of
powder left. What would this powder consist of?
Minerals. I think nearly everyone also knows that the
foods we buy in the store don't have much nutrition in
them (minerals), because of what has been done to the
soil by commercial farming.

Every day our bodies use up a certain amount of
minerals just to function, yet we are not fully
replacing those minerals with the commercially-grown
foods we eat. It's a bit like a checking account I
once had, where if I wrote a check for more than the
money that was in the checking account, it would
automatically dip into the money in my savings
account. They called it Overdraft Protection. But we
have all been doing this same thing all our lives with
our Metabolic Bank Accounts. Every day that you
deposit less into your body's account than the
checks your body writes that day, you dip into your
savings account. When I do not give my body the
minerals it needs that day, my body steals the
minerals it needs from other places throughout my
body. So, if my chemistry has become unbalanced in one
particular way, my body will steal minerals from my
joints, and I will end up with arthritis, bursitis,
fibromyalgia, osteoporosis, etc. 

Or, if my body has a chemistry imbalance of another
kind, it will leach minerals from the linings of my
arteries, and I will contract heart disease. 

Why from the linings of my arteries? Because the
arteries are surrounded by a layer of muscle tissue
that is there to

Re: CScholestrol


All animal fat contains cholesterol, whether butter, egg yoke, or lard.

Marshall

Dee wrote:
I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and 
prawns and eggs have lecithin to balance this.  Dee
 
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/*Date:*/ 03/19/07 16:00:37
/*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
/*Subject:*/ Re: CScholestrol
 
I don't think the body needs an external source of cholestrol. It

manufacturers what it needs. If you eat cholerstrol, it simply makes
less, but if it needs more, it simply makes it.
 
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Re: CSRSD(tissue and nerve regeneration)

If the tissue is not damaged, then from what I have read, the reversion
to stem cells does not occur. What is interesting is that the reversion
takes place in injured tissue, but not necessarily with injured cells.
For instance, the blood cells that go to the injured area are not
injured, but will revert anyway.

Marshall

Guenter Poelz wrote:

Marshall

This sounds good. But what happens if the nerve cells are not injured
but just dying?

Guenter

Lisa Shepherd wrote:
I read somewhere that silver is prone to cause some tissues to
regenerate. Is this true?

Does it have an effect on nerves?

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Re: CSSome Questions/Jodi

Hi V.

EIS (electrically isolated silver) is what we make at home with
generators, but is oftentimes also the kind that is commercially sold
and called colloidal silver. I read here some time ago that the only way
to make real CS is with a FDA approved lab and $15,000 worth of
equipment (!).

What I understand is that EIS has over 80% silver 'ions' and under 20%
silver 'atoms' or particles.  Whereas CS has just the opposite at over
80% atoms/particles and less than 20% ions. A silver ion has a positive
charge and is more easily absorbed and assimilated by the body because
it is smaller than a silver atom and is missing an electron.  That
allows it to pass through cell membranes or to attach to other ions. The
atoms in CS are larger and cannot do that unless they are broken down
first.  Whole silver atoms/particles carry a negative charge, and may
not be processed, assimilated, broken down or eliminated as well as
silver ions, and this is probably why the dose one takes of actual CS
must be so conservative (usually 3 tablespoons a day).

We don't have to worry so much about the dose we take of our EIS
because silver ions are easily transported (via metalloproteins),
absorbed and eliminated and are bioavailable in the same way and form as
the nutrients and minerals you absorb by eating your veggies.  I don't
think you can overdose on iron by eating alot of spinach, for example,
because the iron you are getting in that way is in ionic form.

I always thought it was an interesting fact that silver is the best
known conductor of heat and electricity there is. Seems to me that may
be a deeper explanation of how CS and EIS up our immune systems and heal
so well. Since our bodies are made up of atoms that are in essence,
energy, in the form of heat, light and electricity (positive and
negative charges, electrons), silver as a conductor must speed up and
facilitate its flow and transmission.

Anyway, I hope I got all of this right.  And that it helps.

Jodi

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Re: CSfinding silver distributor

Try going to your local jeweler?
  Doris

kent ke...@shaw.ca wrote:
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  I was wondering if anyone knows of a Canadian supplier for 99.9, 30 gauge 
silver ribbon. 
   
  Any input would be appreciated.
   
  Thanks
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Do you have BECEL products where you are?  They have non hydrogenated 
margarines made with and without salt and olive oil too?
  Doris

Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
  I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

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I made a batch of silver and accidentally filled the water too high so it was 
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RE: CSfinding silver distributor

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Nave

Don't buy from a jeweler if you can help it.  They really mark up the
cost!
Use your Google, or whatever, to find a wholesaler...
 
Dan



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Try going to your local jeweler?
Doris

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Re: CSfinding silver distributor

2007-03-19 Thread G K Murray


I ditto this!!

kent wrote:


Hi all,

 

I was wondering if anyone knows of a Canadian supplier for 99.9, 30 
gauge silver ribbon.


 


Any input would be appreciated.

 


Thanks

Kent




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Re: CSButter, etc./Becel Products

 
The site says that they can be purchased only in Canada? V.
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2007 1:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:

Do you have BECEL products where you are?  They have non hydrogenated 
margarines made with and without salt and olive oil too?
Doris

Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
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RE: CSfinding silver distributor

2007-03-19 Thread CWFugitt


At 11:54 AM 3/19/2007, you wrote:


Don't buy from a jeweler if you can help it.  They really mark up the cost!
Use your Google, or whatever, to find a wholesaler...


  I buy in 100 foot rolls from a large silver distributor someplace.

I asked for a discount and the person I was talking with said,
Let me talk to someone.  He did and in fact gave me some discount, not 
sure how much.


I have ordered a total of 2 each, 100 foot rolls.   It is 14 ga however 
they may have other forms no doubt.


As Dan suggested, do some searching.

Wayne

Re: CScholestrol

Seafoods like lobster, shrimp and crab (etc.) have alot of cholesterol 
too.  But cholesterol isn't the culprit.  I read that every hormone in 
our bodies is made from it, for one thing.

Linus Pauling (winner of the Nobel Prize and 3 US patents on reversing 
heart disease) said that our bodies slop on cholesterol to repair 
damaged arteries and blood vessels caused by a Vitamin C deficiency, and 
that doctors and researchers misunderstood why they were seeing more 
cholesterol in people who had heart disease.  He also said we should be 
getting like 10 to 12 grams of Vitamin C a day and that humans are the 
only animals that don't manufacture their own and therefore must get it 
from an outside source.  See http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

 From http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

[snip]

Vitamin C is required for the synthesis of collagen, an important 
structural component of blood vessels, tendons, ligaments, and bone.
_
Jodi

Marshall Dudley wrote on 3/19/2007, 12:23 PM:

  All animal fat contains cholesterol, whether butter, egg yoke, or lard.
  Marshall
 
  Dee wrote:
   I didn't think there *was* any cholesterol in food only eggs and
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Re: CSSome Questions/Jodi

 
Jodi...thanks for the reply.
Sorry to be so dumb...no excuses, when it comes to CS..I really am:(

So then, EIS is what I am making with the Silver Puppy?
 
Am I reading right...The solution I make and use with the Silver Puppy is not 
real CS but something called EIS?
 
This is all very interesting...and you explained it well...enough so that I 
think I get it.:) 
Thank you V.
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2007 1:32:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jwmen...@cox.net writes:

Hi V.

EIS (electrically isolated silver) is what we make at home with
generators, but is oftentimes also the kind that is commercially sold
and called colloidal silver.
I read here some time ago that the only way to make real CS is with a FDA 
approved lab and $15,000 worth of equipment (!).

What I understand is that EIS has over 80% silver 'ions' and under 20%
silver 'atoms' or particles.  
Whereas CS has just the opposite at over 80% atoms/particles and less than 
20% ions.(YET THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING...HEAL?)
A silver ion has a positive charge and is more easily absorbed and 
assimilated by the body because it is smaller than a silver atom and is missing 
an 
electron. 
That allows it to pass through cell membranes or to attach to other ions. 
The atoms in CS are larger and cannot do that unless they are broken down
first. (WOULD THIS BE THE KIND OF SILVER THAT PEOPLE ABSORBED FROM USING REAL 
SILVER EATING UTENSILS IN MEDIEVAL TIMES?)
Whole silver atoms/particles carry a negative charge, and may
not be processed, assimilated, broken down or eliminated as well as
silver ions, and this is probably why the dose one takes of actual CS
must be so conservative (usually 3 tablespoons a day).

We don't have to worry so much about the dose we take of our EIS
because silver ions are easily transported (via metalloproteins),
absorbed and eliminated and are bioavailable in the same way and form as
the nutrients and minerals you absorb by eating your veggies. 
I don't think you can overdose on iron by eating alot of spinach, for example,
because the iron you are getting in that way is in ionic form.

I always thought it was an interesting fact that silver is the best
known conductor of heat and electricity there is.
Seems to me that may be a deeper explanation of how CS and EIS up our immune 
systems and heal so well. 
Since our bodies are made up of atoms that are in essence,
energy, in the form of heat, light and electricity (positive and
negative charges, electrons), silver as a conductor must speed up and
facilitate its flow and transmission.

Anyway, I hope I got all of this right.  And that it helps.

Jodi

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Re: CScholesterol, Milk and Eggs

I do realize this, its just that I had always understood that cholesterol
was not in food, but produced by the liver.  As Terry has explained
comprehensively, and I did already know, this cholesterol is used to repair
and is necessary for life.  I too have read about the cholesterol scam and
am always trying to tell people about it, but they don't often listen as
they get their info from their GP's.  Dee  
 
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Cholesterol is not evil but a necessary nutrient.
 
The Cholesterol Scam is the biggest financial rip off in the history of
modern civilization.
 
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Re: CSCholesterol!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/cholesterol1.shtml I found this
article on the web Terry, and looking at what you have written, it is mainly
wrong!  Could you have a look and see what you think?  If it is wrong, then
how can such as the BBC publish such nonsense?  Dee  

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From: Terry Chamberlin
Date: 03/19/07 17:19:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCholesterol!

On the subject of cholesterol, I've resisted it, but
it seems I must have my rant.

There are many articles available concerning the
inaccuracy of the modern view of cholesterol. These
articles cite various studies going all the way back
to when the Theory of Cholesterol concerning heart
disease was first promoted by medical/pharmaceutical
authorities. These articles tend to emphasize various
and numerous research findings, all quite valid, all
very scientific and all a bit complicated and
technical. Contact me directly to acquire copies of
these articles.

I want to examine the Cholesterol Myth from a
different angle, using plain language and minimizing
the technical.

Re: CSButter, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread scl...@netzero.net

Maybe Weston Price's website has a listing of organic farmers you can buy real 
butter from. I know there is lady in my neck of the woods (Vegas) who sells 
fresh real butter, milk, goat milk , yogurt etc from her organic farm with 
healthy, well fed animals.
Steve

-- Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 In my opinion there is no alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

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CSCholesterol! ( cardiologist conversation )

2007-03-19 Thread CWFugitt



Talk with a Cardiologist..



OK, here's how it goes: If you eat too much
cholesterol, the excess cholesterol that your body
doesn't use will float around in your blood stream
and, because it is a sticky fat, will begin to adhere
to the insides of your blood stream walls.


  Why would anyone believe this when the whole Cholesterol smear
is a fraud, a lie, and a scam?

Give the body a little credit for intelligence as to knowing what to do 
with excess.


I feel sure I drink too much water at times but the body knows just how to 
handle it.


In addition, . I firmly believe the body is as intelligent as 
the plants I grow.


I increase potassium and magnesium.  Some plants take it and some plants 
leave it.


I can flow nutrients over the roots ALL DAY LONG and the plants take what 
they need and the excess does not hurt, as long as they are in the proper 
ratio, right type, right acidity, and do no damage to the roots or media.


I have read that NOT a single study proves that cholesterol causes heart 
disease.


Few people have only one thing wrong.  If one thing is out of balance, many 
others usually are as well.


I do not believe that any single thing causes anything or any single thing 
cures anything.  Body chemistry is more complicated than that.


I had a long talk with a cardiologist visiting a friend who just had a 
heart attack.   This guy was talkative ,  talking about everything 
from  land, horses, real estate, and finally cholesterol.


He was bragging about his cholesterol being 160 and the drugs he was taking.

I said, ... mine is 160 and I don't take any drug.

I asked him about homocysteine.  He said, if you are worried about that, 
take this, this , and that.


I said, I am not worried about mine, I know what it is and I am surprised 
you don't.  Homocysteine has more effect on heart disease than cholesterol.


He was friendly and in a good mood.  Not often do you find one of these 
with time to talk and shoot the bull.


Fact is, I knew everything he said, and then some.

Later he came back to see my friend and wanted to know who the wise guy was 
that was there the other day.


I won't tell you what my friend told him.

Again, the condition may be true and exist but I doubt that the cause is 
cholesterol.  Other things effect what happens to cholesterol within the 
blood stream.


Further,  some articles state the cholesterol does not come from the food 
we eat, it is all manufactured by the body.


==

As this
layer of sticky cholesterol continues to accumulate on
your blood vessel walls, the corridor through which
your blood is flowing will become narrower and
narrower. Your blood will become more and more
restricted in its flow, until some part of your body
that needs a lot of blood (usually your heart,
sometimes your brain) will be impaired in its function
because of insufficient blood supply. In the case of
your heart, you will either experience angina (heart
pain from insufficient blood supply) or a heart attack
(part of your heart dies from insufficient blood and
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Re: CSButter, etc./Becel Products

Yes I live in Toronto, Canada
  Doris

vwol...@aol.com wrote:
The site says that they can be purchased only in Canada? V.
   
   
   
  In a message dated 3/19/2007 1:34:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mcomfy...@yahoo.ca writes:
Do you have BECEL products where you are?  They have non hydrogenated 
margarines made with and without salt and olive oil too?
  Doris

Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
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I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

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Re: CSButter, etc./Dairy Products with Antibiotics etc

 
***I long ago stopped buying into the nonsense about butter and eggs being 
badfor us.
Everything in moderation...and you can't go wrong.
 
I use Kellers UNsalted butter when I use butter at all...otherwise  I rely on 
Colavita's Extra Virgin Olive Oil.
 
Stoneyfield Farms website has a great newsletter.
They just listed all the companies that feed thier livestock HGH to keep the 
animals producing.
I knew Land o Lakes did it but was surprised at some of the other names that 
came up.
Anyhow, this is for those of us who can assimilate butter, dairy.
 
I understand what you are saying Terri...that you cannot.
I will keep my eyes open from now on and if I come across any other data on a 
good Olive Oil Spread I will keep you in mind.  V.

In a message dated 3/19/2007 2:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
scl...@netzero.net writes:

Maybe Weston Price's website has a listing of organic farmers you can buy 
real butter from. I know there is lady in my neck of the woods (Vegas) who 
sells 
fresh real butter, milk, goat milk , yogurt etc from her organic farm with 
healthy, well fed animals. 
Steve

-- Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 In my opinion there is no alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

Terry Chamberlin





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Re: CSAsthma: alternative approach/ Duncan

In a message dated 3/19/2007 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
duncanc...@shaw.ca writes:

Asthma is associated in the research with oxidative stress caused 
by low glutathione, and when you elevate glutathione with 
selenium and undenatured whey and take other antioxidants, asthma 
goes away. This I think is the correct orthomolecular approach in 
addition to reducing casual toxin exposure, and curb toxin 
creation in the gut by dysbiosis, which causes leaky gut, a huge 
asthma aggravator. The approach, with a b-vitamin, has also 
worked on COPD.

Duncan
Eeee...Duncan...have mercy on this old lady...I do not understand the 
words you are using...I do understand about Leaky Gut...have that problem.
 
What is the approach with what b vitamin?
 
I take what I thought was a good multi B by Solgar...V.



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 Richard wrote:
 
 am looking for info on cs and any benefits for asthma sufferers
 
 For asthma there is a Reflexological approach, which is not really 
difficult 
 to do.
 
 Anyone interested, please write to
 
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RE: CSfinding silver distributor (UNCLASSIFIED)

2007-03-19 Thread Medwith, Robert

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Use Canadian Maple Leaf coins, 99.99 you can not get better.
I use the silver wire to hang the coins.
Bob

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On Behalf Of Dan Nave
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSfinding silver distributor


Don't buy from a jeweler if you can help it.  They really mark up the cost!
Use your Google, or whatever, to find a wholesaler...
 
Dan

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSfinding silver distributor


Try going to your local jeweler?
Doris

kent ke...@shaw.ca wrote:

Hi all,
 
I was wondering if anyone knows of a Canadian supplier for 99.9, 30 gauge
silver ribbon. 
 
Any input would be appreciated.
 
Thanks
Kent
 
 

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Re: CSSome Questions/Jodi





You're not dumb V.
Really. I knew nothing about this when I started looking into it. Give
yourself some 
time. It's amazing how much there is to learn from the experts here on
this list. 

Very high quality EIS is what we're making at home with our Silver
Puppy (I use that one too). The silver is 
what we're after, whether it's in a colloidal state or electrically
isolated in solution, ions or atoms, they both 
work to heal. (I think they might heal in a different way, but I'm not
sure. See next paragraph.) People call 
EIS colloidal silver all the time, but most of the products on the
market are actually EIS, regardless. If you
want to call it CS, go ahead. Lots of people still do, so why not?
[grin] 

Your question below about the silver utensils is one for the experts
here. I've always wondered if silver atoms 
and particles or ions can detach and be absorbed by the body from a
silver spoon, or whether it has any 
antibiotic effect on just what it touches? Does anyone know if saliva
or the sodium in the body and mouth 
would be enough to break silver atoms or ions away from a silver
spoon? And, can the body then efficiently 
break down silver atoms into ions? If the body can break down silver
atoms and particles into ions, then I 
guess sucking on a silver spoon (grin), taking CS, or EIS all work in
the same way, right? [ugh] 

I
hope one of the experts here can answer some of these questions because
I just don't know. 

Jodi

vwol...@aol.com wrote on 3/19/2007, 1:31 PM:



  
  Jodi...thanks for the
reply.
  
  Sorry to be so dumb...no
excuses, when it comes to CS..I really am:(
  
  
  So then, EIS is what I am
making with the Silver Puppy?
  
  
  
  Am I reading right...The
solution I make and use with the Silver Puppy is not "real" CS but
something called EIS?
  
  
  
  This is all very
interesting...and you explained it well...enough so that I think I get
it.:) 
  
  Thank you V.
  
  
  In a message dated
3/19/2007 1:32:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jwmen...@cox.net writes:
  
  Hi V.

EIS (electrically isolated silver) is what we make at home with
generators, but is oftentimes also the kind that is commercially sold
and called colloidal silver.
I read here some time ago that the only way to make real CS is with a
FDA approved lab and $15,000 worth of equipment (!).

What I understand is that EIS has over 80% silver 'ions' and under 20%
silver 'atoms' or particles. 
Whereas CS has just the opposite at over 80% atoms/particles and less
than 20% ions.(YET THEY BOTH DO THE SAME THING...HEAL?)
A silver ion has a positive charge and is more easily absorbed and
assimilated by the body because it is smaller than a silver atom and is
missing an electron.
That allows it to pass through cell membranes or to attach to other
ions. 
The atoms in CS are larger and cannot do that unless they are broken
down
first.(WOULD THIS BE THE KIND OF SILVER THAT PEOPLE ABSORBED FROM
USINGREAL SILVER EATING UTENSILS IN MEDIEVAL TIMES?)
Whole silver atoms/particles carry a negative charge, and may
not be processed, assimilated, broken down or eliminated as well as
silver ions, and this is probably why the dose one takes of actual CS
must be so conservative (usually 3 tablespoons a day).
  

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Re: CSAsthma: alternative approach

2007-03-19 Thread Duncan Crow

Asthma is associated in the research with oxidative stress caused 
by low glutathione, and when you elevate glutathione with 
selenium and undenatured whey and take other antioxidants, asthma 
goes away. This I think is the correct orthomolecular approach in 
addition to reducing casual toxin exposure, and curb toxin 
creation in the gut by dysbiosis, which causes leaky gut, a huge 
asthma aggravator. The approach, with a b-vitamin, has also 
worked on COPD.

Duncan

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Re: CSButter, etc./Dairy Products with Antibiotics etc

2007-03-19 Thread Smitty


Try this =

Olivio

info on it here:
http://www.olivioproducts.com/



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***I long ago stopped buying into the nonsense about butter and eggs being
badfor us.
Everything in moderation...and you can't go wrong.

I use Kellers UNsalted butter when I use butter at all...otherwise  I rely
on Colavita's Extra Virgin Olive Oil.

Stoneyfield Farms website has a great newsletter.
They just listed all the companies that feed thier livestock HGH to keep the
animals producing.
I knew Land o Lakes did it but was surprised at some of the other names that
came up.
Anyhow, this is for those of us who can assimilate butter, dairy.

I understand what you are saying Terri...that you cannot.
I will keep my eyes open from now on and if I come across any other data on
a good Olive Oil Spread I will keep you in mind.  V.

In a message dated 3/19/2007 2:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scl...@netzero.net writes:


Maybe Weston Price's website has a listing of organic farmers you can buy
real butter from. I know there is lady in my neck of the woods (Vegas) who
sells fresh real butter, milk, goat milk , yogurt etc from her organic farm
with healthy, well fed animals.

Steve

-- Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 In my opinion there is no alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

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Re: CSSome Questions/Jodi





I should have also asked
if stomach acids can break down silver into atoms and ions? 

Jodi W Menard wrote on 3/19/2007, 2:49 PM:


 Your question
below about the silver utensils is one for the experts
here. I've always wondered if silver atoms 
 and particles or ions can detach and be absorbed by the body from
a
silver spoon, or whether it has any 
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Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol

2007-03-19 Thread Ekowal459

   
 
I just did my last newsletter on cholesterol and lowering it  naturally but 
also mention the danger of it being too LOW. If anyone  would like a copy, send 
me a letter personally requesting  Cholesterol,Antioxidants,Alzheimer's, MS 
paper. It's quite lengthy.
 
 
 
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Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol

2007-03-19 Thread Smitty


I would like a copy. If it's snail mail, I can send you the mailing cost.

Herman Smith
94-547 Loaa St.
Waipahu, HI  96797

Thanks,
Smitty

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also mention the danger of it being too LOW. If anyone would like a copy,
send me a letter personally requesting
Cholesterol,Antioxidants,Alzheimer's, MS paper. It's quite
lengthy.



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RE: CSInquirey on RSD (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy)

2007-03-19 Thread Richard Harris

Dear Pat,

 

If me or a loved one had such a thing, I would be misting on CS + DMSO;
while taking CS + Gatorade orally several times a day + using bG's 6 volt
lanter battery Godzilla on the large electrodes as described on:
microelectricitygermkil...@yahoogroups,com I know this can help and I
sincerely believe this to be the most beneficial, economical treatment you
could find. Read my Site: www.rharrisinc.com http://www.rharrisinc.com/
and let me know how I might be of help.

 

Sincerely,

 

Dr. Richard Harris, PD

59 yr FL Pharmacist

 

 

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From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:25 PM
To: silver list
Subject: Re: CSInquirey on RSD (Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy)

 

My daughter has had RSD/CRPS in one leg for about seven years.  She uses
quite a lot of colloidal silver, but it hasn't helped the RSD.  It is such
an awful disease.

 
Pat

 

Has anyone had any experience using cs on RSD/CRPS (Complex Regional Pain
Syndrome)?

This is a sympathetic nerve disease that can and often does follow surgery.
Possibly viral? It is 

extremely painfull at times. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Garry

 

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Re: RE: CSfinding silver distributor

2007-03-19 Thread noblemetals

How much--what size?  I get it as scrap occasionally.

 From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com
 Date: 2007/03/19 Mon PM 12:54:45 EST
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CSfinding silver distributor

 Don't buy from a jeweler if you can help it.  They really mark up the
 cost!
 Use your Google, or whatever, to find a wholesaler...

 Dan

 From: Cinder Ella [mailto:mcomfy...@yahoo.ca] 
 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:31 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSfinding silver distributor

 Try going to your local jeweler?
 Doris

 kent ke...@shaw.ca wrote:

   Hi all,

   I was wondering if anyone knows of a Canadian supplier for 99.9,
 30 gauge silver ribbon. 

   Any input would be appreciated.

   Thanks
   Kent

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Re: CSThe Best Butter, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Karen Eck


At 10:45 AM 3/19/2007, you wrote:
Maybe Weston Price's website has a listing of 
organic farmers you can buy real butter from. I 
know there is lady in my neck of the woods 
(Vegas) who sells fresh real butter, milk, goat 
milk , yogurt etc from her organic farm with healthy, well fed animals.

Steve


Also listed are sources for liquid milk, cheese, yoghurt and cream.

Directory of best dairy products available
http://www.realmilk.com/where.html [quote]
Butter - The best commercial brands of butter are 
probably Organic Valley and Tillamook they are 
pasteurized, but come from cows that are mostly 
pasture-fed. New Zealand butter is available 
through 
http://www.grassfedtraditions.com/grass_fed_butter.htmTropical 
Traditions. It is not raw, but it is from 100% 
pasture fed cows. A growing number of farmers 
sell raw butter from pasture-fed cows directly to 
the consumer and ship within the continental US. 
Many of them place classified ads in Wise 
Traditions, the magazine of the 
http://www.westonaprice.orgWeston A. Price Foundation. [end quote]


I heard Tillamook (shame, shame) set up a 
grain-feeding operation in the Eastern Oregon 
desert, but haven't checked out the facts on 
that. The Western Oregon rain forest has green 
grass year round, and that is where Tillamook, 
Oregon is. I'm in Eastern Oregon, with cows as 
far as the eye and see - and beyond, but they are 
steers for steak. Can I find a milk cow, no, but 
I haven't tried real hard yet. Now that spring 
has sprung I downloaded the file below.


There are other directories when I have time to look them up.
And there is this Yahoo Group
rawdairy-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
and in the files section, it tells you how to 
ferret out local sources of raw dairy.


OK, OK, here's another related directory:
http://www.eatwild.com/products/index.html
Directory of Pasture-Based Farmers
United States, Canada and Republic of Panama
The Eatwild.com Directory of Pasture-Based 
Farmers lists more than 800 farms, making it the 
most comprehensive source for grass-fed meat and 
dairy products in the United States and Canada.


Mercola was going to set up a directory, did that ever happen?
http://www.mercola.com

There are more ... like any omnivore raw food 
discussion group knows the best sources.


Karen

CSMargarines

Both Olivio  Becel contain mostly canola (rape seed)
oil.

The Earthbalance product is mostly soy oil, which I am
not sure is a great improvement over canola oil.

Is there no margarine spread that uses only olive oil?

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CSSchool answering machine

This is the message that the Pacific Palisades High
School (California) staff voted unanimously to record
on their school telephone answering machine. This is
the actual answering machine message for the school.
This came about because they implemented a policy
requiring students and parents to be responsible for
their children's absences and missing homework. The
school and teachers are being sued by parents who want
their children's failing grades changed to passing
grades - even though those children were absent 15-30
times during the semester and did not complete enough
schoolwork to pass their classes.

The outgoing message:

Hello! You have reached the automated answering
service of your school. In order to assist you in
connecting to the right staff member, please listen to
all the options before making a selection:
* To lie about why your child is absent - Press 1
* To make excuses for why your child did not do his
work - Press  2
* To complain about what we do - Press 3
* To swear at staff members - Press 4
* To ask why you didn't get information that was
already enclosed in your newsletters and several
flyers mailed to you - Press 5
* If you want us to raise your child - Press 6
* If you want to reach out and touch, slap or hit
someone - Press  7
* To request another teacher, for the third time this
year - Press 8
* To complain about bus transportation - Press 9
* To complain about school lunches - Press 0
* If you realize this is the real world and your child
must be accountable and responsible for his/her own
behavior, class work, homework and that it's not the
teachers' fault for your child's lack of effort, then
hang up and have a nice day!
*If you want this in Spanish, you must be in the wrong
country. 

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Re: CSMargarines

Found this for you Terry.  Have you tried it before?

http://www.allergygrocer.com/id1084.html

Terry Chamberlin wrote on 3/19/2007, 4:50 PM:

  Both Olivio  Becel contain mostly canola (rape seed)
  oil.
 
  The Earthbalance product is mostly soy oil, which I am
  not sure is a great improvement over canola oil.
 
  Is there no margarine spread that uses only olive oil?



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Re: CSSchool answering machine

2007-03-19 Thread marmar845

Love it, Terry -- especially the very last part!  Thanks for sharing.  MA

 


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Re: CSStill OT Cholesterol

2007-03-19 Thread Bruce Anderson


Me too!
Bruce

Smitty wrote:

I would like a copy. If it's snail mail, I can send you the mailing cost.

Herman Smith
94-547 Loaa St.
Waipahu, HI  96797

Thanks,
Smitty

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Cholesterol,Antioxidants,Alzheimer's, MS paper. It's quite
lengthy.



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CSCholesterol again

Dee said,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/cholesterol1.shtml
 I found this article on the web Terry, and looking at
what you have written, it is mainly wrong!  Could you
have a look and see what you think?  If it is wrong,
then how can such as the BBC publish such nonsense?  

The BBC will publish whatever the official position is
on pretty much everything, the same as the mainline
media does in North America.

The problem concerning what the medical establishment
tells us nowadays about heart disease originally
started with some fairly logical but erroneous
early-century science.

During the early 1900s, various manifestations of
heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
seen it before. As the incidents of it began to
increase, the medical scientists began to pay closer
attention to it. They discovered that every case of
heart disease was accompanied by high blood
cholesterol, and they came to the conclusion that high
blood cholesterol caused heart disease. 

In reality, they got the cart before the horse. Heart
disease causes high cholesterol, not the other way
around.

By the time the doctors discovered their error (well
over 30 years ago), two things had occurred. 

First, they couldnt very well come out with a public
statement like, Whoops! Hey, folks, we got it
backwards, but its OK, we have it right now and you
can trust us again. The medical High Priesthood never
apologizes nor admits to error.

Secondly, there was a burgeoning, highly-profitable
poly-unsaturated oil industry, plus the doctors were
making major dollars doing heart surgeries and other
expensive heart disease treatments (not to mention
lucrative statin and other drugs).

Eighty years ago there was a health issue that
occasionally occurred in seniors, but which has become
the number two killer of seniors today. Im talking
about Alzheimers disease (AL). For about 80 years or
so the doctors have been warning us away from
high-cholesterol foods, and the public has dutifully
complied. But if your body doesnt get the cholesterol
it needs from your diet, it will scavenge it from the
best sources it can find within the body. Guess where
the largest reservoir of cholesterol is in your body?
Your brain is composed of 70% cholesterol!

Now let me see: 80 or so years ago AL was quite
uncommon. For the last 80 or so years folks have been
running from eggs, butter, etc. Today AL is the number
two killer of seniors. I can do the math.

When a client tells me they have high blood pressure
or heart disease, I put them on 2 eggs per day,
minimum. Of course, I impress on them the importance
of buying eggs from healthy, back-yard chickens that
run around and eat like they were designed to do.

Terry Chamberlin


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Re: CSButter, EarthBalance. etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Karen Eck


I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to eat soy or canola oil.
And the products page doesn't give us a full list of ingredients.
http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html

Actually, if I thought bread and other grain products were good for me,
I'd just dip it in olive oil if I didn't want butter. Yummy! Forget 
the spread nonsense.

Step outside the box.

But, since I don't eat grains - its a moot point.
Olive oil and butter serve me just fine.
Coconut is detrimental to B blood types,
according to d'Adamo.
Virgin Red Palm Oil sounds fascinating.
http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/red_palm_oil.htm
I don't know its blood type profile.

Karen

At 07:36 AM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

Terry,
This is the only site I've found that has non-hydrogenated stick 
butter.  Check it out and let us know what you 
think:  http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html .


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Re: CSCholesterol again

2007-03-19 Thread Barbara

Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and 
disastrous influence on the health of the citizens? 
I know that milk pasteurization started at that time.  Could that be a reason?  

Barbara



  During the early 1900's, various manifestations of
  heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
  it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
  seen it before. 

  Terry Chamberlin

Re: CSCholesterol again

2007-03-19 Thread Smitty


I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body.
Maybe Terry can expound on this.

Smitty



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Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and
disastrous influence on the health of the citizens?
I know that milk pasteurization started at that time.  Could that be a
reason?

Barbara



During the early 1900's, various manifestations of
heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
seen it before.

Terry Chamberlin





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Re: CSCholesterol again

2007-03-19 Thread Day Sutton


I have read that too, and that Homogonized milk is even worse...
from The Milk Book


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I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body.
Maybe Terry can expound on this.

Smitty



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 Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and
 disastrous influence on the health of the citizens?
 I know that milk pasteurization started at that time.  Could that be a
 reason?

 Barbara



 During the early 1900's, various manifestations of
 heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
 it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
 seen it before.

 Terry Chamberlin




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Re: CSButter, etc.

2007-03-19 Thread Clayton Family

I use Earth Balance Organic margerine, and it digests well for me. I 
think it does have some canola oil, though. It has palm, soybean, 
canola and olive oils.


I don't eat dairy fat either.

On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Scott wrote:


Terry,
This is the only site I've found that has non-hydrogenated stick 
butter.  Check it out and let us know what you think:  
http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html .


In His Service,
Scott Young



Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
  In my opinion there is no alternative to butter. If
it is man made, it is no good. Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This




Does anyone know of such a thing?

Terry Chamberlin



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Re: CSButter, EarthBalance. etc.

2007-03-19 Thread sol


Karen Eck wrote:


Virgin Red Palm Oil sounds fascinating.
http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/red_palm_oil.htm


I thought it was interesting too, so I bought some and tried it.
I found it foul tasting and smelling. FWIW, the red palm oil I bought 
was from TT.

sol


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Re: CSButter, etc./Dairy Products with Antibiotics etc

2007-03-19 Thread Del


We buy organic RAW MILK butter from the following site:
http://www.organicpastures.com/

This is the only source of raw butter, and other dairy products, that we 
have found so far, but we hope to find a local one soon (costs a lot to ship 
from California).


We buy a lot of butter at a time and freeze it.  Butter withstands freezing 
quite well.


Del
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Try this =

Olivio

info on it here:
http://www.olivioproducts.com/



On 3/19/07, vwol...@aol.com vwol...@aol.com wrote:




***I long ago stopped buying into the nonsense about butter and eggs 
being

badfor us.
Everything in moderation...and you can't go wrong.

I use Kellers UNsalted butter when I use butter at all...otherwise  I 
rely

on Colavita's Extra Virgin Olive Oil.

Stoneyfield Farms website has a great newsletter.
They just listed all the companies that feed thier livestock HGH to keep 
the

animals producing.
I knew Land o Lakes did it but was surprised at some of the other names 
that

came up.
Anyhow, this is for those of us who can assimilate butter, dairy.

I understand what you are saying Terri...that you cannot.
I will keep my eyes open from now on and if I come across any other data 
on

a good Olive Oil Spread I will keep you in mind.  V.

In a message dated 3/19/2007 2:48:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scl...@netzero.net writes:


Maybe Weston Price's website has a listing of organic farmers you can buy
real butter from. I know there is lady in my neck of the woods (Vegas) 
who
sells fresh real butter, milk, goat milk , yogurt etc from her organic 
farm

with healthy, well fed animals.

Steve

-- Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:
 In my opinion there is no alternative to butter.  If
it is man made, it is no good.  Just use butter with
respect. 

First off, I must point out that many folks, including
me, cannot handle butter, whether because of milk
allergies or, as in my case, because I cannot
efficiently metabolize milk fat. My own diet is a
low-fat diet simply because more than a small amount
of fats and oils affect me quite negatively. This
includes olive and coconut oils.

Secondly, if you are going to ingest butter,
commercial butter is pure poison. We all know that
commercial cows are routinely fed/injected with
steroids and antibiotics to make them produce milk at
an earlier age and to increase their milk production.
Then, of course, they are fed diets of various animal
parts too disgusting to mention, denied sunshine,
green grass, fresh water and exercise, and the
resulting unhealthy animal produces equally unhealthy
milk. This milk is then concentrated into commercial
butter. The levels of
steroids/antibiotics/pathogens/diseases found in
commercial butter makes regular milk seem healthy. If
I could eat butter, I would avoid commercial butter
like the (literally) plague.

In my search for an alternative such as a healthy,
non-hydrogenated margarine, I have been unable to find
anything that is not made with rape seed oil (you
know, canola oil).

I would pay a pretty penny and order from far away if
I could find a non-hydrogenated margarine made from
virgin olive oil.

Does anyone know of such a thing?

Terry Chamberlin




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Re: CSButter, EarthBalance. etc./Ditto that

In a message dated 3/19/2007 5:46:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
karen...@eoni.com writes:

don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to eat soy or canola oil.
And the products page doesn't give us a full list of ingredients.
http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html

Actually, if I thought bread and other grain products were good for me,
I'd just dip it in olive oil if I didn't want butter. Yummy! Forget 
the spread nonsense.
Step outside the box.
**I Ditto that on the Olive Oil...some crushed garlic and a good Olive 
Oil and you are eatin' good:) 
The trick really is to find a decent bread...I like the Ezekiall (?) bread 
from the Health Food Store and it is beneficial to type O's (thats me)  but it 
is so often frozen or freezer burned:(   V.8

But, since I don't eat grains - its a moot point.
Olive oil and butter serve me just fine.
Coconut is detrimental to B blood types,
according to d'Adamo.




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Re: CSEveryday Products Made Better with Olive Oil - Lee Iacocca's Olivio/TERRI

2007-03-19 Thread dd611

This is made with extra light olive oil - I stay away from any oil 
that has been processed or refined, and the only olive oil that is 
really safe to use is cold pressed extra virgin .
If anyone has a chance to read the book Fats that heal, fats that kill 
by Udo Uramus please read it as it is both  interesting and very 
informative.

Dennis

vwol...@aol.com wrote:
Everyday Products Made Better with Olive Oil - Lee Iacocca's Olivio 
Premium Products! http://www.olivioproducts.com/
 
Terri Chamberlain...here is a site you might want to check out...V.





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Re: CSSome Questions/Jodi

2007-03-19 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

One caution:  some folks can overdose on iron.   The condition is most 
often found in persons of Celtic extraction, I believe.Perhaps then 
some persons might be sensitive so overdose of other substances 
including ionic or molecular silver.



On Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007, at 02:30 Asia/Tokyo, Jodi W Menard wrote:


 I don't
think you can overdose on iron by eating alot of spinach, for example,
because the iron you are getting in that way is in ionic form.



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Re: CSCholesterol again

2007-03-19 Thread dd611

Although I cannot find the source right now I have read somewhere that a 
farmer who fed a newborn calf only pasteurized milk had the calf get ill 
and die shortly after.

Dennis

Smitty wrote:

I have read that pasteurized milk is BAD for a person's body.
Maybe Terry can expound on this.

Smitty



On 3/19/07, Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:



Terry, what happened in the early 1900s that it had such profound and
disastrous influence on the health of the citizens?
I know that milk pasteurization started at that time.  Could that be a
reason?

Barbara



During the early 1900's, various manifestations of
heart disease began to occur. The first few cases of
it were misdiagnosed because the doctors had never
seen it before.

Terry Chamberlin





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Re: CSButter, EarthBalance. etc./Ditto that

2007-03-19 Thread G K Murray

In upper class Italian restaurants they serve a Focaccia type bread 
broken up to dip in olive oil and red wine vinegar.  They family just 
loves it that way.


I will not eat soy products, and I have heard bad about canola even 
though I live in the heart of canola producing land.  The last 8 years 
is mostly GMO type canola  being grown before that it was non GMO. I 
used to worked with cereals breeding program (non-GMO).   I do not know 
if there was any regular breeding program with canola before Monsanto 
started with GMO product.  I have heard that a canola stain can not be  
taken out with out much difficulty out of clothing if you spill a little 
margerine or oil.  What will it stick like to your insides if it does 
that to clothing. 



vwol...@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 3/19/2007 5:46:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
karen...@eoni.com writes:


don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to eat soy or
canola oil.
And the products page doesn't give us a full list of ingredients.
http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html

Actually, if I thought bread and other grain products were good
for me,
I'd just dip it in olive oil if I didn't want butter. Yummy! Forget
the spread nonsense.
Step outside the box.
**I Ditto that on the Olive Oil...some crushed garlic and a
good Olive Oil and you are eatin' good:)
The trick really is to find a decent bread...I like the Ezekiall
(?) bread from the Health Food Store and it is beneficial to type
O's (thats me)  but it is so often frozen or freezer burned:(  
V.8


But, since I don't eat grains - its a moot point.
Olive oil and butter serve me just fine.
Coconut is detrimental to B blood types,
according to d'Adamo.




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Re: CSButter, EarthBalance. etc./Ditto that/Soy etc.