Re: [SLUG] Fortress .... err Firewall Australia

2008-10-30 Thread CaT
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:01:43PM +1100, Scott Ragen wrote: Now tell me how do you stop your children from connecting to porn sites from their mobile phone? Allow the PARENT to decide if the child needs internet access on their phone AT ALL. Seriously, what child NEEDS internet on

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2008-10-30 Thread Robert Barnett
I am really most concerned about all the side effects of filtering that we are yet to uncover. For example: If I hosted on a dynamic IP, although I have been assured that it is unlikely, how would I deal with the event that my IP has been blocked to other users? Could the federal government

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2008-10-30 Thread Nigel Allen
On 22/10/2008 10:13 AM, CaT wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:01:43PM +1100, Scott Ragen wrote: Now tell me how do you stop your children from connecting to porn sites from their mobile phone? Allow the PARENT to decide if the child needs internet access on their phone AT ALL.

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2008-10-30 Thread david
Nigel Allen wrote: On 22/10/2008 10:13 AM, CaT wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:01:43PM +1100, Scott Ragen wrote: Now tell me how do you stop your children from connecting to porn sites from their mobile phone? Allow the PARENT to decide if the child needs internet access on

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2008-10-30 Thread Adam Kennedy
Theoretically, I believe the IP thing vs domain thing has been solved now. If we are willing to put aside the evilness of filtering for a second and limit the issue to the technical implementation, I know there are some implementations that use a two-phase filter to deal with IP issues (I think

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2008-10-22 Thread bill
YES! AUSTRALIA is the pilot! Sounds like Paypal. Are we so gullible? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

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2008-10-21 Thread SMITH GARETH
internet content. Gareth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 3:30 PM To: Rev Simon Rumble; slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fortress err Firewall Australia Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one

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2008-10-21 Thread Kyle
Has anyone seen this; http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/PDFs/081016_copyrouter.pdf SMITH GARETH wrote: I know there is no perfect solution. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

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2008-10-21 Thread david
AUSTRALIA is the pilot! Sounds like Paypal. Are we so gullible? Kyle wrote: Has anyone seen this; http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/PDFs/081016_copyrouter.pdf -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

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2008-10-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
To summarise: This router disables all transport compression, and man-in-the-middles or disables all transport encryption, then relies on the police to send the network operator a list of every single child porn url and file hash in the entire world... What could possibly go wrong? Adam K

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2008-10-21 Thread Tony Sceats
surely? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

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2008-10-21 Thread Scott Ragen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/10/2008 03:13:42 PM: Hi there, Maybe I missed something but the censorship on the website on the original post was to be applied to Australian homes, schools and public computers. If you're a techno head and want to view an UNCENSORED content get an

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2008-10-21 Thread Adelle Hartley
SMITH GARETH wrote: Our internet connections are already filtered and intercepted so why not filter the extra CRAP like PORN out. Why are you downloading porn if you don't want it? Adelle. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs:

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2008-10-20 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
2008/10/17 Morgan Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is very real and very scary. http://nocleanfeed.com/ I am a parent and I don't think this enforced censorship and limitation should be forced upon us. Do as that site says and spam... err email a delegate. ITYM write a paper letter. -- SLUG -

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2008-10-20 Thread Glen Turner
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kyle wrote: Is this possibly for real? Yes. Our political overlords realise it will cost a fortune, will slow down our internets and won't work. They're being successfully wedged by the shrill wowsers like Hetty Johnstone that being

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2008-10-20 Thread SMITH GARETH
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Turner Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 10:50 AM To: Rev Simon Rumble; slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fortress err Firewall Australia Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kyle wrote: Is this possibly for real? Yes. Our political

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2008-10-20 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 10:31 +0800, SMITH GARETH wrote: Hi there, I don't think this is a bad idea to censor Home/School internet connections. I think business connections shouldn't be censored as you can setup your own filtering. Education Department already filters their internet

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2008-10-20 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, SMITH GARETH wrote: I think censorship is a great idea. Young children need to be censored from harmful content. They don't need to be exposed to potentially damaging websites and now with internet on a mobiles, kids are being exposed to harmful content that they

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2008-10-20 Thread Robert Collins
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 13:44 +1100, James Purser wrote: Yeah while we're at it, let's jail people for joining a religion or we could try bringing back the death penalty. Don't forget torture, forced abortions and mutilations while we're at it. -Rob -- GPG key available at:

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2008-10-20 Thread david
October 2008 10:50 AM To: Rev Simon Rumble; slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fortress err Firewall Australia Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kyle wrote: Is this possibly for real? Yes. Our political overlords realise it will cost a fortune, will slow down our

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2008-10-20 Thread SMITH GARETH
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rev Simon Rumble Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 2:22 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fortress err Firewall Australia This one time, at band camp, SMITH GARETH wrote: I think censorship is a great idea. Young children need to be censored from harmful

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2008-10-20 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, SMITH GARETH wrote: If you're a techno head and want to view an UNCENSORED content get an UNCENSORED CONNECTION. EG a business connection and censor it yourself. No. The point of the proposed internet censorship regime is it is MANDATORY. Whouldn't it be great

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2008-10-20 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:13 +0800, SMITH GARETH wrote: Hi there, Maybe I missed something but the censorship on the website on the original post was to be applied to Australian homes, schools and public computers. If you're a techno head and want to view an UNCENSORED content get an

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2008-10-20 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, James Purser wrote: Here's a radical suggestion, why don't we mandate that ISP's must offer a filtered service and see who actually picks it up. Instead of forcing Telly Tubby land on everyone, give it to those who want it, and leave the rest of us who are able to

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2008-10-20 Thread James Purser
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:26 +1100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, James Purser wrote: Here's a radical suggestion, why don't we mandate that ISP's must offer a filtered service and see who actually picks it up. Instead of forcing Telly Tubby land on everyone, give it

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2008-10-20 Thread david
Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at band camp, James Purser wrote: Here's a radical suggestion, why don't we mandate that ISP's must offer a filtered service and see who actually picks it up. Instead of forcing Telly Tubby land on everyone, give it to those who want it, and leave the

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2008-10-19 Thread Morgan Storey
This is very real and very scary. http://nocleanfeed.com/ I am a parent and I don't think this enforced censorship and limitation should be forced upon us. Do as that site says and spam... err email a delegate. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this possibly for

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2008-10-16 Thread Kyle
Is this possibly for real? Does anyone here have any insight pls? http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/15/australias-great-fir.html http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1399635276 ... Australians will be unable to opt-out of the government's pending Internet content filtering scheme,

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2008-10-16 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008, Kyle wrote: Is this possibly for real? The government has certainly been planning to require that ISPs filter-by-default. The exact status of: - whether complete opt-out is possible - the extent of filtering of, eg, encrypted traffic (I have been told by a sysadmin,

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2008-10-16 Thread Rev Simon Rumble
This one time, at band camp, Kyle wrote: Is this possibly for real? Yes. Our political overlords realise it will cost a fortune, will slow down our internets and won't work. They're being successfully wedged by the shrill wowsers like Hetty Johnstone that being anti-filtering is equivalent

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2008-10-16 Thread Dean Hamstead
I dont think it would be fair to say 'filtering will make mistakes so dont use them', because that argument would therefore logically extend your morality to 'police make mistakes, so get rid of them' also this thread should be in slug-chat. Dean Rev Simon Rumble wrote: This one time, at