Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 2011-04-14, Steve Clark wrote: > Look I was only responding to the person that wanted to use *BSD and > not have to make public enhancements, changes, etc,  he or his > company > made. That to me makes it seem he/them was/were only interested in > taking and not returning an

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 15.04.11 16:33, schrieb Peter J. Holzer: > On 2011-04-14 21:12:35 +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: >> Am 14.04.11 20:54, schrieb Ken Hornstein: >>> Can we all respectfully agree to disagree on the issue of licenses? >>> The *BSDs use a BSD-style license, Linux uses the GPL. Both have >>> their advanta

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, April 14, 2011 9:46 am, Ryan Whelan wrote: > I'm surprised no one has said they thought it was 'better' for the role > they > need- A narrow instance of this is using the NET4501 as an NTP server, using the TMR1 mod as described in and

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 2011-04-14 21:12:35 +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: > Am 14.04.11 20:54, schrieb Ken Hornstein: > > Can we all respectfully agree to disagree on the issue of licenses? > > The *BSDs use a BSD-style license, Linux uses the GPL. Both have > > their advantages and disadvantages, and your license prefere

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

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Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 14 Apr 2011, at 16:05, Steve Clark wrote: > On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: >> Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: >>> Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on >>> the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom >>> Buildroot

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:30:17 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: >On 04/14/2011 12:12 PM, David Alexander wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:05:47 -0400, Steve Clark >> wrote: >> >>> On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: > > I really want to know the

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Ralph Green wrote: >  Technically, that is true.  But, only after repeatedly trying to > contact the company to remind them of their obligation to publish source > code and getting no action.  I am not aware of any case where a lawsuit > was the first step and dou

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 11:25 AM, Bayard Bell wrote: On 14 Apr 2011, at 16:05, Steve Clark wrote: On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever us

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

2011/4/14 Ryan Whelan : > Has anyone migrated from a Linux to a BSD and wished the BSD could do > something you feel Linux does better or what was your biggest pain in > migrating / what do you miss the most? My first real firewall router was Debian-based (not on Soekris hardware), and worked abs

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

2011/4/13 Jed Clear : > On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Ken Hornstein wrote: >>>  I'm really curious why those that chose BSDs chose them? >> I'm a BSD user from waaay back; I cut my teeth on SunOS 4 in college, and >> I ran a actual BSD 4.3 system on a derelict VAX 11/750 just for the pure >> hell of

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 14.04.2011 21:48, Chris Boot wrote: > Of course, with Debian/kFreeBSD you don't have to choose between a > Debian-based system and FreeBSD. This marries a FreeBSD kernel (with pf, > zfs, and all its other goodies) with a Debian-based userland complete > with dpkg, aptitude, and other Debian n

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 09:46:02AM -0400, Ryan Whelan wrote: >I'm surprised no one has said they thought it was 'better' for the role they >need- I figured for sure there would be answers about the BSD vs GPL >licensing or it does better... > >Has anyone migrated from a Linux to a BSD and wished t

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Ken Hornstein wrote: >>Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the >>soekris platforms then Linux.  I've only ever used Linux ( a custom >>Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ).  I am NOT trying to troll, and I >>know this is a tec

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

My home router/web/mail server was originally a miniITX running netbsd. I used netbsd because it is small, and because I was used to it from messing with the CLNP stack (to do with my job). When I moved the Soekris I wanted things a bit more secure so I wanted support for jails. NetBSD and OpenB

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

> Here is why _we_ use *BSD: Because the license matters for us. The GPL > mandates to make changes public again, publish source code and such. This might be a technicality: but you are not required to make your changes public under the GPL. If, and only if, you provide someone with a binary

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 14.04.11 21:24, schrieb Ken Hornstein: >> Keep in mind that the OP asked why some folks favor A over B. And >> license X vs. license Y is a perfectly valid response. > > No argument there. > >> There is no judgment in the licenses themselves, just *why* one is >> prefererred *by someone* for

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

>Keep in mind that the OP asked why some folks favor A over B. And >license X vs. license Y is a perfectly valid response. No argument there. >There is no judgment in the licenses themselves, just *why* one is >prefererred *by someone* for a *specific application*. except when the discussi

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 14.04.11 20:54, schrieb Ken Hornstein: > Everyone, > > Can we all respectfully agree to disagree on the issue of licenses? > The *BSDs use a BSD-style license, Linux uses the GPL. Both have > their advantages and disadvantages, and your license preference depends > on your worldview (indeed, w

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Everyone, Can we all respectfully agree to disagree on the issue of licenses? The *BSDs use a BSD-style license, Linux uses the GPL. Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and your license preference depends on your worldview (indeed, what you consider an advantage versus a disadvantage de

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

All, Of course, with Debian/kFreeBSD you don't have to choose between a Debian-based system and FreeBSD. This marries a FreeBSD kernel (with pf, zfs, and all its other goodies) with a Debian-based userland complete with dpkg, aptitude, and other Debian niceties. It's well worth a look in my op

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Hi Ryan, I do not write code, nor have a big interest in license issues. I am using a 5501 at home as a network device with a ADSL card. I use it as dhcp server, firewall and webserver. And I have tried both OpenBSD and Debian. My experience is, that both are equally easy to set up - relativ

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Virgil Champlin wrote: > s/forces/enables/  It's the much the same but for perspective.  Similar to > "tragic irony" vs "just deserts". So you cannot have an open ecosystem without the GPL? ___ Soekris-tech mailing list

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Apr 14, 2011, at 10:36 AM, J Sisson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Ralph Green wrote: >> some way to kill Linux. The GPL fosters an open ecosystem and the BSD > > s/fosters/forces/ s/forces/enables/ It's the much the same but for perspective. Similar to "tragic irony" vs "just

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Btw, about specific router/firewall optimized distros - Linux based OpenWRT works nicely at least on net5501. www.openwrt.org -- == ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

2011/4/12 Ryan Whelan : > Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the > soekris platforms then Linux.  I've only ever used Linux ( a custom > Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ).  I am NOT trying to troll, and I > know this is a technical mailing list, but I'm rea

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 14.04.11 18:30, schrieb Steve Clark: > On 04/14/2011 12:12 PM, David Alexander wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:05:47 -0400, Steve Clark >> wrote: >> >>> On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: > > I really want to know the reasons for the

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ). I am NOT trying to troll, an

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Howdy, Technically, that is true. But, only after repeatedly trying to contact the company to remind them of their obligation to publish source code and getting no action. I am not aware of any case where a lawsuit was the first step and doubt it has ever happened. They often get that complian

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Ralph Green wrote: > some way to kill Linux.  The GPL fosters an open ecosystem and the BSD s/fosters/forces/ ___ Soekris-tech mailing list Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekri

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:04 +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: > So for a start, compare the GPL and the BSD/ISC/MIT licenses, and you > will spot differences. Howdy, I have read these license and there are big differences. I do try BSD and usually have a BSD machine of some sort running. I have run Fre

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Steve Clark wrote: > Hmm... did you bother to read what I was responding too??? > > "...The GPL mandates to make changes public again, " Going by your logic, everyone is a pothead in Amsterdam just because it's illegal to smoke weed in (most of) the U.S. Gimme a

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

>> The implication that anyone who prefers a freer license must "always >> want to be a taker and never a giver" is not only logically >> unjustifiable and factually wrong but outright insulting. > That is great. But the issue is not the people that contribute but > the people like MS who take the

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 12:12 PM, David Alexander wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:05:47 -0400, Steve Clark > wrote: > >> On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: >>> Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: I really want to know the reasons for the decision, not start a flame war- I promise >

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 11:38 AM, der Mouse wrote: >>> Here is why _we_ use *BSD: Because the license matters for us. >> I guess that attitude is ok if you always want to be a taker and >> never a giver. > > I avoid the GPL when feasible. The only GPLed software I write is > modifications to already-infect

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

2011/4/14 Ryan Whelan : > I'm surprised no one has said they thought it was 'better' for the role they > need- I figured for sure there would be answers about the BSD vs GPL > licensing or it does better... > > Has anyone migrated from a Linux to a BSD and wished the BSD could do > something you f

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

> I'm surprised no one has said they thought it was 'better' for the role they > need- To be honest, both offer great tools for just about any job. Knowing both is a good thing. > I figured for sure there would be answers about the BSD vs GPL > licensing... I try to avoid religious wars, despite

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 11:05:47 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: >On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: >> Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: >>> >>> I really want to know the reasons for the decision, not start a flame >>> war- I promise >> >> Here is why _we_ use *BSD: Because the license matt

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 14.04.11 17:05, schrieb Steve Clark: > On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: >> Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: >>> Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on >>> the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom >>> Buildroot build a

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: > Here is why _we_ use *BSD:  Because the license matters for us.  The GPL > mandates to make changes public again, publish source code and such. I agree completely. The FSF files suit regularly against companies and people who "forget" to make

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

I'm surprised no one has said they thought it was 'better' for the role they need- I figured for sure there would be answers about the BSD vs GPL licensing or it does better... Has anyone migrated from a Linux to a BSD and wished the BSD could do something you feel Linux does better or what was y

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Apr 13, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Ken Hornstein wrote: >> I'm really curious why those that chose BSDs chose them? > I'm a BSD user from waaay back; I cut my teeth on SunOS 4 in college, and > I ran a actual BSD 4.3 system on a derelict VAX 11/750 just for the pure > hell of it. I have a similar sto

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 14.04.2011 17:05, Steve Clark wrote: >> Here is why _we_ use *BSD: Because the license matters for us. The GPL >> mandates to make changes public again, publish source code and such. >> The BSD license has no such requirments. It usually just says keep the >> copright intact. That is very l

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

>> Here is why _we_ use *BSD: Because the license matters for us. > I guess that attitude is ok if you always want to be a taker and > never a giver. I avoid the GPL when feasible. The only GPLed software I write is modifications to already-infected software and stuff I'm paid to write under the

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 11:19 AM, J Sisson wrote: On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Steve Clark wrote: I guess that attitude is ok if you always want to be a taker and never a giver. This is an idiotic assumption. I know tons of BSD developers who give their code away freely just like GPL developers, o

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Steve Clark wrote: > I guess that attitude is ok if you always want to be a taker and never a > giver. This is an idiotic assumption. I know tons of BSD developers who give their code away freely just like GPL developers, only the BSD devs don't have the threat

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On 04/14/2011 10:04 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: > Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: >> Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on >> the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom >> Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ). I am NOT trying to t

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Am 13.04.11 04:08, schrieb Ryan Whelan: > Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on > the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom > Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ). I am NOT trying to troll, and > I know this is a technical mailing l

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

[Ryan Whelan] >> I'm really curious why those that chose BSDs chose them? [The Fungi] > Chances are there will be as many different answers as there are > users, but I can at least give you mine... Indeed. I am not, at the moment, running any Soekris boxen. But I have in the past, and I may aga

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

I use OpenBSD with flashrd as an embedded platform for a few reasons: * it's hard to beat OpenBSD's record on security, which makes it very appealing for a firewall/edge router/VPN server * OpenBSD is extremely well-documented, has very intelligent default behaviours, is very consistent and well

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Simple answer for me is NanoBSD, read only mounts for the flash and built in memory file systems - being a long time FreeBSD user kind of helped the choice though :) mike. On 13/04/2011, at 2:08 PM, Ryan Whelan wrote: Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on t

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

>Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the >soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom >Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ). I am NOT trying to troll, and I >know this is a technical mailing list, but I'm really curious why those that >

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

> For me its a personal preference of pf over iptables and OpenBSD being > very light weight out of the box compared to the Linux distros I use > regularly. I also run OpenBSD on my Soekris units. It is a very compact install, allowing me to install the full OS including X (not to use, just for

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:08:44PM -0400, Ryan Whelan wrote: [...] > I'm really curious why those that chose BSDs chose them? [...] Chances are there will be as many different answers as there are users, but I can at least give you mine... the Soekris boards are well adapted for light-duty use as

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

I prefer using ipfw than iptables. I had always used Gentoo Linux for almost all my projects, then I started using FreeBSD. I find the best for me building images with FBSD than Linux, and I feel more confortable with FBSD config files, Kernel building and FBSD beautiful ¨toys¨ like Jails!. 2011/4

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

For me its a personal preference of pf over iptables and OpenBSD being very light weight out of the box compared to the Linux distros I use regularly. 2011/4/12 Ryan Whelan : > Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the > soekris platforms then Linux.  I've only ever

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

> I really want to know the reasons for the decision, not start a flame war- I > promise BSD rules, linux drools! Just kidding :) I went with BSD as a result of choosing pfSense for my Soekris. Several years ago, I tired of messing with custom built kernels and pretty much anything resembling

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

2011/4/12 Ryan Whelan : > Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the > soekris platforms then Linux.  I've only ever used Linux ( a custom > Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ).  I am NOT trying to troll, and I > know this is a technical mailing list, but I'm rea

Re: [Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

I've been using a 4801 running leaf bearing fw which is linux for about 6 yrs. It works fine. Never have wore out a SD card but did have one board die during a thunder storm. I was most familiar with Linux is one reason I use it. But I have installed BSD on some wifi routers using the Soekris bo

[Soekris] *BSD vs Linux

Watching the mailing list, it -seems- like BSDs are more prevalent on the soekris platforms then Linux. I've only ever used Linux ( a custom Buildroot build and hand-rolled kernel ). I am NOT trying to troll, and I know this is a technical mailing list, but I'm really curious why those that chose