Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-05 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-04-03 à 14:43, guoliang han a écrit : Hi, Remi: I don't think my case illustrates MAP-T needs to remain experimental, my comments are below: 2012/4/3 Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net Hi, Guoliang, Interesting enough, the example you give illustrates that MAP-T

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-04 Thread Rémi Després
2012-04-03 18:32, Marc Blanchet : I don't see a way out of this thread. my suggestion: - published both as experimental - let the market decide - come back later to move one or the other standard track. +1 RD Above all, I think having a stable specification (i.e. RFC) that

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-04 Thread Ralph Droms
Here's the situation. There was no clear consensus in the WG meeting in Paris. But the IETF conducts its business on the mailing list, so - as we always do - the chairs asked for feedback on the two questions asked in Paris. We'll use the responses to assess if there is consensus for the

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Guoliang
Hi, Remi: Pls read my comments below. 2012/4/3 Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net 2012-04-03 14:43, guoliang han : Hi, Remi: I don't think my case illustrates MAP-T needs to remain experimental, my comments are below: 2012/4/3 Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net Hi, Guoliang,

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Rémi Després
Le 2012-04-03 à 15:41, Guoliang a écrit : Hi, Remi: Pls read my comments below. 2012/4/3 Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net Le 2012-04-03 à 14:43, guoliang han a écrit : Hi, Remi: I don't think my case illustrates MAP-T needs to remain experimental, my comments are below:

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Jan Zorz @ go6.si
Dear Softwires WG chairs. For how long will you leave this useless cockfight go on instead of steering the working group into a direction, that may enable us to decide on something and chose the direction? We are running in circles here and just amplificating the noise, coming from certain

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Marc Blanchet
I don't see a way out of this thread. my suggestion: - published both as experimental - let the market decide - come back later to move one or the other standard track. Above all, I think having a stable specification (i.e. RFC) that implementers can code against and providers to require is

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Wojciech Dec
The irony is that this is an apples and oranges comparison, and throwing away ripe apples into some box with raw oranges looks rather unfair. Some of the of the indicators are: - MAP is not only the result of a consensus of a broad WG design team, but also that of numerous authors of the merged

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Maoke
well, i cannot help but send out this late Apr-1 joke: let's see what is the problem publishing the two document plus an informational doc analysing what problems 4rd-u introduces to architecture and real operation, with them all stable and having an RFC number for each? if this is fine, we all

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd… More MAP-T experiment needed

2012-04-03 Thread Congxiao Bao
Fully agree with Maoke! This is not just the issue of publishing two documents...To accormodate with 4rd-U, many existing RFCs should be updated, like RFC 4291,RFC6052,etc. There is no evidence to show that we need to do that because 4rd-U havn't been shown that it is workable in today's