Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-16 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Fred,   Please note the quotes on stateless in Alain's mail. Some techniques are not as stateless as is claimed. Please see the chair's slides in IETF 81. Regards, Behcet On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Alain Durand wrote: Fred: The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting on

Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-08 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Fred,   Please note the quotes on stateless in Alain's mail. Some techniques are not as stateless as is claimed. Please see the chair's slides in IETF 81. Regards, Behcet On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Alain Durand wrote: Fred: The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting

Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-08 Thread Ralph Droms
I think it would be useful to reframe the discussion away from stateless/stateful and more towards the issues that operators are interested in: capital investment and ongoing operational expense. stateless/stateful is related to those expense issues but there is not, for any given operator,

Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-08 Thread Qiong
Hi Ralph, Fully agree. From operator aspect, we do not care about whether it is a stateful or a totally stateless one. We are just interested in a good solution which is easy to use, operate and cost less. So any solution, either stateless or less stateful , will be welcome if they can meet our

Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-07 Thread Alain Durand
Fred: The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting on the mailling list might have created some unwanted confusion. Yong and I are going to publish the agenda for the interim meeting very soon. There will be ample time to discuss the various propositions on the table in the 'stateless'

Re: [Softwires] v6ops - ietf81 recording

2011-09-07 Thread Fred Baker
On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Alain Durand wrote: Fred: The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting on the mailling list might have created some unwanted confusion. Yong and I are going to publish the agenda for the interim meeting very soon. There will be ample time to discuss