On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Alain Durand wrote: > Fred: > > The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting on the mailling list might > have created some unwanted confusion. > > Yong and I are going to publish the agenda for the interim meeting very soon. > There will be ample time to discuss the various propositions on the table in > the 'stateless' arena (that I can define loosely as no centralized CGN) > Some more stateless than others, some more stateful than others, some based > on tunnels and some based on translation. > Giving ample time to discuss all those solution is the very reason of the > interim meeting. > > Is that clearer?
Hopefully. There is a pretty strong concern here that the meeting is being arranged to encourage certain outcomes. I'd really hope for a level playing field, whatever the outcome may turn out to be. > - Alain. > > > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > >> Alain: >> >> I have a question. In your recent note to softwire, you seem to be changing >> the charter that you and Jari stated in v6ops at IETF-81. At IETF-81, you >> stated that there was no need for a translation-related working group >> because translation (specifically the dIVI proposal, but more generally >> translation) would be part of the ongoing softwire charter. In your more >> recent statements, you appear to be saying that the topic would be discussed >> in a "vs" setting and buried "because the IETF has decided to not work on >> translation". I'll remind you that the IETF has not only chosen to work on >> translation, but to standardize it along with tunneling technologies. >> >> I call on you to not only give lip service to discussion, but to allow and >> support open discussion of stateless a+p tunneling (as apposed to ds-lite, >> which is stateful) and translation, as you said you would. >> >> Fred >> >>> Alain's "translation" statement is ~2hrs 57 min into the recording at: >>> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf81/ietf81-205abc-20110728-1256-pm.mp3 >>> >>> Transcript: >>> >>> Alain: This is done in Softwire. We are planning to organize >>> an interim meeting in September, in some part of the world, >>> to actually go through all the technical solutions that have >>> been put forward and analyze them and do what we did at the >>> beginning of Softwires. Pretty intensive interim meeting, >>> locked in a room, and figure out what we need. >>> >>> Fred: So, Alain, we are finally going to have the discussion. >>> >>> Alain: We are actually going to make technical progress on >>> this - more than just discussing. >>> >>> Jari suggested doing everything in one group (implying a new WG). >>> >>> Alain: there are no more groups. We will just do it now. >> > _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
