Hi Fred, Please note the quotes on stateless in Alain's mail. Some techniques are not as stateless as is claimed.
Please see the chair's slides in IETF 81. Regards, Behcet > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:58 PM, Alain Durand wrote: > >> Fred: >> >> The way I phrased the call for the interim meeting on the mailling list > might have created some unwanted confusion. >> >> Yong and I are going to publish the agenda for the interim meeting very > soon. >> There will be ample time to discuss the various propositions on the table > in the 'stateless' arena (that I can define loosely as no centralized > CGN) >> Some more stateless than others, some more stateful than others, some based > on tunnels and some based on translation. >> Giving ample time to discuss all those solution is the very reason of the > interim meeting. >> >> Is that clearer? > > Hopefully. There is a pretty strong concern here that the meeting is being > arranged to encourage certain outcomes. I'd really hope for a level playing > field, whatever the outcome may turn out to be. > >> - Alain. >> >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >> >>> Alain: >>> >>> I have a question. In your recent note to softwire, you seem to be > changing the charter that you and Jari stated in v6ops at IETF-81. At > IETF-81, > you stated that there was no need for a translation-related working group > because translation (specifically the dIVI proposal, but more generally > translation) would be part of the ongoing softwire charter. In your more > recent > statements, you appear to be saying that the topic would be discussed in a > "vs" setting and buried "because the IETF has decided to not work > on translation". I'll remind you that the IETF has not only chosen to > work on translation, but to standardize it along with tunneling technologies. >>> >>> I call on you to not only give lip service to discussion, but to allow > and support open discussion of stateless a+p tunneling (as apposed to > ds-lite, > which is stateful) and translation, as you said you would. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>>> Alain's "translation" statement is ~2hrs 57 min into > the recording at: >>>> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf81/ietf81-205abc-20110728-1256-pm.mp3 >>>> >>>> Transcript: >>>> >>>> Alain: This is done in Softwire. We are planning to organize >>>> an interim meeting in September, in some part of the world, >>>> to actually go through all the technical solutions that have >>>> been put forward and analyze them and do what we did at the >>>> beginning of Softwires. Pretty intensive interim meeting, >>>> locked in a room, and figure out what we need. >>>> >>>> Fred: So, Alain, we are finally going to have the discussion. >>>> >>>> Alain: We are actually going to make technical progress on >>>> this - more than just discussing. >>>> >>>> Jari suggested doing everything in one group (implying a new WG). >>>> >>>> Alain: there are no more groups. We will just do it now. >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
