Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-07 Thread Johnny Bufu
On 7-Apr-07, at 3:56 AM, Martin Atkins wrote: > On the other hand, I also think it's a good idea not to modularize too > early: until there's some implementation experience, it's hard to say > with certainty what parts make sense as distinct modules. I'm not that > familiar with the AX stuff yet,

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-07 Thread Martin Atkins
Johnny Bufu wrote: > > These two seem to have been the rationale of the recent discussions > about splitting the OpenID spec into core/discovery/etc., which > seemed to make sense to a number of people (I'm just not sure if it's > worth / good tactical move at this stage). > I tend to

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-07 Thread Martin Atkins
Johnny Bufu wrote: > > I believe a key difference here is between what people would be > willing to do, and what people actually (will) do. For example: > > - I would be willing to go to a rugby game, but I don't know if any > of my friends are going, so I probably won't go > - most of my fri

Re: [Idschemas] Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Laurie Rae
Johnny Bufu wrote: > > On 6-Apr-07, at 4:09 PM, Laurie Rae wrote: > >> Seriously though, the issue here isn't really whether or not you and >> your friends will go to the rugby game, >> it's whether or not the rugby league organizers are trying to get you >> to go to the rugby game at the appropr

Re: [Idschemas] Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Johnny Bufu
On 6-Apr-07, at 4:09 PM, Laurie Rae wrote: > Seriously though, the issue here isn't really whether or not you > and your friends will go to the rugby game, > it's whether or not the rugby league organizers are trying to get > you to go to the rugby game at the appropriate venue. I would say

Re: [Idschemas] Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Laurie Rae
Ah, but I ask you this. If a rugby player falls in the forest, does anybody care? ;-) Seriously though, the issue here isn't really whether or not you and your friends will go to the rugby game, it's whether or not the rugby league organizers are trying to get you to go to the rugby game at the

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Johnny Bufu
On 5-Apr-07, at 9:24 AM, Recordon, David wrote: > I'm all about taking advantage of existing momentum, but I have a hard > time seeing anyone who cares about AX being unwilling to have this > discussion as a part of the ID Schemas community. If there is anyone, > I'd certainly like to understand

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Johnny Bufu
On 6-Apr-07, at 10:34 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: >> Well, as one of the people that wrote the documents. We decided that >> having separate documents was better. Thanks for sharing your >> opinion. I have a different opinion. > > For somebody who currently doesn't have an opinion on this subject,

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Josh Hoyt
On 4/6/07, Dick Hardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5-Apr-07, at 9:18 AM, Recordon, David wrote: > > I'm fine with doing things differently, I'm not arguing that a > > metadata > > format should not be created, just that IMHO for simplicity sake of > > reading the AX documents this format descrip

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Johannes Ernst
On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:21, Dick Hardt wrote: On 5-Apr-07, at 9:18 AM, Recordon, David wrote: ... IMHO for simplicity sake of reading the AX documents this format description should be merged into the core protocol spec. If down the road it should be split out then it always can be. Well,

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Dick Hardt
On 5-Apr-07, at 9:24 AM, Recordon, David wrote: > Dick, see my other message but this is not about ME stopping you! >>> We wanted to publish them on the website so that other people could >>> look at them, but you did not want to do that, and you control the >>> domain. >> >> Dick, that isn't a f

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-06 Thread Dick Hardt
On 5-Apr-07, at 9:18 AM, Recordon, David wrote: >> I don't think this is really that important of a point given all the >> other things we need to do. People are doing to do things different >> then you would, but get the same result -- is that ok? > I'm fine with doing things differently, I'm no

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Recordon, David
why (beyond it being "hard"). --David -Original Message- From: Dick Hardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:18 AM To: Recordon, David Cc: Drummond Reed; Johnny Bufu; OpenID specs list; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Dick Hardt
If you would let us put the attributes on the website, then other people could see them and comment on them. On 5-Apr-07, at 9:02 AM, Recordon, David wrote: > I guess I don't see why blaming the ID Schemas project for not much > happening is a good excuse for not doing it there. Blame? ... jus

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Recordon, David
To: Recordon, David Cc: Johnny Bufu; OpenID specs list Subject: Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) On 5-Apr-07, at 9:06 AM, Recordon, David wrote: >> Actually it is describing a document format, and it could easily be > used >> by other groups as evidenced by

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Johannes Ernst
On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:02, Recordon, David wrote: In some senses, I think if people gather as part of the ID Schemas project and try to move this work forward, it will actually be more successful than trying to do it here. I would agree with this. Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://n

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Dick Hardt
On 5-Apr-07, at 9:06 AM, Recordon, David wrote: >> Actually it is describing a document format, and it could easily be > used >> by other groups as evidenced by references from people in the ID > Schemas >> group. > I agree that it could be, but is anyone? It leaves the option open. > I love sh

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Recordon, David
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:27 AM To: Recordon, David Cc: Johnny Bufu; OpenID specs list Subject: Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) On 4-Apr-07, at 1:16 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > Johnny, > I see a lot of, at least my initial confusion,

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Recordon, David
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:00 AM To: Drummond Reed Cc: Recordon, David; 'Johnny Bufu'; 'OpenID specs list' Subject: Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) Doing the work in the ID Schemas project was a good idea 3 months ago and

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Dick Hardt
On 4-Apr-07, at 1:16 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > Johnny, > I see a lot of, at least my initial confusion, coming from there being > multiple documents. This is why I urge merging the transport and > metadata since the reality is they currently are only being used with > each other. As the meta

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-05 Thread Dick Hardt
ril 04, 2007 1:16 PM > To: Johnny Bufu > Cc: OpenID specs list > Subject: RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) > > Johnny, > I see a lot of, at least my initial confusion, coming from there being > multiple documents. This is why I urge merging the trans

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-04 Thread Drummond Reed
: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) Johnny, I see a lot of, at least my initial confusion, coming from there being multiple documents. This is why I urge merging the transport and metadata since the reality is they currently are only being used with each other. As the

RE: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-04 Thread Recordon, David
. --David -Original Message- From: Johnny Bufu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:39 PM To: Recordon, David Cc: Dick Hardt; OpenID specs list Subject: Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback) On 4-Apr-07, at 12:18 PM, Recordon, David wrote: &

Re: Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-04 Thread Johnny Bufu
On 4-Apr-07, at 12:18 PM, Recordon, David wrote: > One thing that I do think would be worthwhile in smoothing more of > this > SREG/AX confusion would be adding SREG support to Sxip's OpenID > libraries. This is on the todo list, and judging by the interest showed by some contributors could h

Moving AX Forward (WAS RE: SREG namespace URI rollback)

2007-04-04 Thread Recordon, David
Hey Johnny, I agree that you're doing a good job especially with your pre-draft 5 review message. Let's continue that way! There have been things in the past, not that you've done, which have certainly rubbed me the wrong way about AX. Does seem like we're all moving forward though with good pro