RE: CPVC in Sprinklered attic space

No sir. Mark Hasenmyer, PE MEH Fire Protection Engineering LLC 1311 River Oaks Drive Flower Mound, TX 75028 Office (972) 874-2662 Cell (469) 235-3154 Fax (866) 610-1522 toll free -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprink

CPVC in Sprinklered attic space

?Can?CPVC piping be run in an attic space using SSU/SSP in a NFPA-13 type system? I We were using Tyco Attic HIP heads originally, but are unable due to the wood member changes. George Medina Jr. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprin

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

Well stated Tom. The standard states this requirement clearly. Believe it or not, most items in the standard have good thought behind them. John Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: big...@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:14:24 To:

RE: Boat Storage

And hey if it's properly sprinklered (to an extent) fire protection engineering is a marginal concern. Curious comment. Care to expand on that? Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 ___

RE: Boat Storage

Just finished a first quick read. Thanks Roland for the lead. First impression is there is nothing we didn't already know intuitively and definitely nothing guiding a design thought. Ignition fluxes and heat release rates of sample size materials are nice but we already know they are generally t

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

Tom, We haven't heard from you in some time. I was once told that the holes in the base or cup piece of the escutcheon was also important relative to the listing and shouldn't be obstructed in any way. Say with insulation. Is this the case or a case of "somebody came up with a "logical" reason for

Re: Boat Storage

There are plenty of old abandoned boats around that could probably be had for testing. (I have a couple of classic fiberglass runabout that will NOT be donated). It would just be a matter of beating the bushes. I've seen the FPRF report, but have yet to go through the whole thing. I'll be very

Re: Hodgman Sprinklers

I think they were bought out by Globe many years ago. Also, try www.firespec.com. They were involved at one point. At 05:05 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote: Does anybody know where one can find any information (spec's, data sheets, etc.) on Hodgman sprinklers? Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Ke

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

I have watched this discussion for about two days, and I can't resist chiming in - As an ex-manufacturer, one of the reasons that the recessed are listed as an assembly is that they pass testing that way.? If you mix another manufacturer's escutcheons, there is no guarantee that the correct dep

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

Aren't you speaking at the convention in florida? If I listen to you speak can I look at your room? I've heard many things about it here and find it interesting. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "George Church" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:52:13 To: Subj

RE: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

OK, I will bite. I AGREE that the escutcheons we use should be installed as listed per the letter of the law. But I have to say I think it is ridiculous and if a properly installed sprinkler will not work correctly ONLY because of the use of the same type, but different brand of escutcheon: we a

Hodgman Sprinklers

Does anybody know where one can find any information (spec's, data sheets, etc.) on Hodgman sprinklers? Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell bobby.gill...@key

RE: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

I'd rather have em concentrate on my competitor's 13d tank and pump feeding a #13 system, heck with the escutcheons. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of cherokeefire...@aol.com Sent: Wedne

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

I just left a store which was missing some outer rings part of a two piece semi recess escutcheon assembly. I examined the heads. They are Central heads installed with Viking escutcheons, installed throughout this large retail store! I think this practice is very wide spread. The AHJ's need to

RE: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

I had lunch with rep today. Last thing he gave me before leaving is a nice printed sheet showing the ONLY esch's approved with their sprinklers, dated 11/2008. Full color, with UL and FM columns. No AGRCO column visible.. R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318

Re: Boat Storage

Despite NFPA 303 saying treat as Group A plastic in racks and go to NFPA 13, the 13 TC excluded that from Ch 21 for the 2010 edition. WE did add that NFPA 13 has NO guidance for boats on racks. The FPRF has completed the first phase which was just a study on available data. All their repo

Re: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them

Last time I looked, they also sell HEAT COLLECTORS Roland On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:05 PM, John Denhardt wrote: Agree with George - Replace the sprinklers and use the correct escutcheon. The standard is clear and as far as I know, AGRCO's recessed escutcheons are not listed with any sprinklers.

RE: market development (was 1.2)

Pursuant to 2005 NEC 800.3(C) Spread of Fire or Productions of Combustion - "The accessible portion of abandoned communications cables shall not be permitted to remain." John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official Red Bank, NJ -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firespr

RE: market development (was 1.2)

That's right! Internet Cable!!! Probably CAT5 when WIFI has been here for 10 years, and CAT 5 won't handle even today's internet needs. Unlike the internet cable, fire sprinklers will not only "Still work" 5 years from now, but will continue to protect for generations, so those of you that don't ha

market development (was 1.2)

We ALL owe support of the industry to the industry that puts food on our table. Our training needs for apprenticeship are met by the AFSA program, but we were very impressed with the NFSA's industry promotion fund effort, along with their sharing of market and code development with the ESFN and IFS

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

Amen, brother. Ed Kramer Littleton, CO > Now, for my plea for all freelance designers out there: If you use this > email forum and learn from it, pay the $200 AFSA designer dues and > support > the forum. I know I have well earned back my yearly dues with all of > the > knowledge gained from t

Re: MIC

there was a proposal a cycle or two ago that wanted all of these components addressed. The TC said that was not necessary. The value of reading the ROP/ROC for REJECTED items is that it provides a lot of information on the INTENT since all rejected items need a reason. Granted some are mo

Re: MIC

And it IS compatible with Blazemaster (just identified as such since testing does take time). ROland On Jan 20, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Chris Cahill wrote: Potter has a bunch of potential solutions. Article in this months FPC mag. Doug Chartier Corrosion Solutions Product Manager Potter Elec

RE: MIC

Please contact the following person. They have the produce you need. Jim Curtis [jfcur...@pottersignal.com] Don Kaufman President Kaufman Fire Protection Systems, Inc. d...@kaufmanfire.com (505) 884-2447 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinkler

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

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RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

Well, I guess the other way to convince him would be to tell him you'll pay him to do it the way YOU think is right, and if he elects to calc it another way for free, hey- it's a free country. And he needs to understand the pecking order- you've got the checkbook. glc -Original Message-

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

First: He is stating that because the longer leg in now parallel to the crossmain, the code says you must still meet the 1.2 times rule on the longer leg. Second: Because he feels he must satisfy the 1.2 rule. Joe -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sp

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

If I ever get around to finishing my web site, I am going to have a Rogue's Gallery, but that will be just photos. Maybe someone could do a monthly "Top 10 stupid sprinkler tricks" At 05:25 AM 1/21/2009, you wrote: But hpw could you resist? LOL Perhaps FPC, Spkr Age, Or SQ should collect war

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

Or the GC could have gotten a COR to add to the building to make it large enough to satisfy the 3,000 SF MRA? -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:0

RE: 1.2 Leg of Remote Area

But hpw could you resist? LOL Perhaps FPC, Spkr Age, Or SQ should collect war stories and anecdotes, even if its just compliling them and making them available on a website for download; perhaps a blog? glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprink