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Subject: Re: Pre-action abort
But UL is the entity doing the listing.
Forest Wilson
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From: Jay Jay Blocker fire_sprinkler...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:36:49
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Subject: Re: Pre-action abort
But where does
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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 4:45:14 PM
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It is prohibited by UL.
UL 864 states: Abort switches shall not be used on systems intended to
perform pre-action or deluge functions.
Regards,
mike
Mike Henke CET
Sprinkler Product Manager
Potter
Very well spelt out John.
I assume the word statute to also mean General Laws or (local) Ordinances?
Tom
Great question. Listings don't seem to have the effect one would assume. We
often hear must be installed in accordance with the listing, or product
listed for the intended purpose.
Then we
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[sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker
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Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:29 AM
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Great question. Listings don't seem to have the effect one would assume. We
often hear must
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From: Forest Wilson cherokeefire...@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:50:27
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Subject: Re: Pre-action abort
But UL is the entity doing the listing.
Forest Wilson
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From: Jay
Subject: RE: Pre-action abort
It is true that the laboratory test standards do not fit into the
hierarchy of code enforcement;; however, NFPA 13 requires the products
used in sprinkler systems to be listed. As Mike stated, UL 864 requires
that abort switches shall not be used on deluge or preaction
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Sal
Izzo
(TECH- 103)
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:04 AM
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It is true that the laboratory test standards do not fit into the
hierarchy of code
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John
Drucker
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:20 AM
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Continuing the discussion, the answer to the question is simple does a
statute, regulation or code prescribe an abort station
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Justin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:17 AM
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I think even in special hazard systems
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John
Drucker
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:20 AM
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Continuing the discussion, the answer to the question is simple does a
statute, regulation or code prescribe an abort
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:09 PM
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Reasoning from a non-sprinkler proficient PE? That's self explanatory. I
haven't the foggiest idea why one would
Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:09 PM
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Reasoning from a non-sprinkler proficient PE? That's self explanatory. I
haven't the foggiest idea why one would want it. As I said won't return
calls, bid due shortly
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 12:00 PM
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Then there's
The better answer might be Firecycle type system by Viking.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
Ron Greenman
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:00 AM
if your goal is to not stop fires but rather
And here's your stock room guy, yes capable of making even the most critical of
decisions in any emergency situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tma-zFkDEY
I feel better now...
Anyone got an umbrella?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical
I know this guy. He's brilliant. He's managed to clone himself many times over.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:22 AM, craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote:
And here's your stock room guy, yes capable of making even the most critical
of decisions in any emergency situation.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom
Duross
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Pre-action abort
Very well spelt out John.
I assume the word statute to also mean
Chris,
In jails I've seen electrically operated zone valves with a 90 second
time delay before the valves were opened, an open now override, and
an abort to each valve but that required CCTV and a constantly manned
station wherein the operator had complete control over the cameras and
operation
Question one: Why?
Question two: At what stage of system response do you want to abort?
There is no mention anywhere in NFPA 13 about the allowance or disallowance of
an abort switch. I just can't see where anyone would be quick enough to get to
it if something in the system started an
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Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:29 PM
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Question one: Why?
Question two: At what stage of system response do you want to abort?
There is no mention anywhere in NFPA 13 about the allowance or disallowance
of an abort switch
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:29 PM
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Question one: Why?
Question two: At what stage of system response do you
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Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 4:45:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pre-action abort
It is prohibited by UL.
UL 864 states: Abort switches shall not be used on systems intended to
perform pre-action or deluge functions.
Regards,
mike
Mike Henke CET
Sprinkler Product Manager
Potter Electric
But UL is the entity doing the listing.
Forest Wilson
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From: Jay Jay Blocker fire_sprinkler...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:36:49
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Subject: Re: Pre-action abort
But where does the UL rank in order? By this I mean
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