On 2020-1-28 7:11 am, John McMahon wrote:
Define what "serverless" means to you in the SQLite context and
provide a link or pop-up to that definition wherever "serverless"
occurs in the documentation. Perhaps also include what it doesn't mean
if you think this is becoming an issue.
How
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:18:45 -0500
Richard Hipp wrote:
> But more recently, "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word that
> means "managed by my hosting provider rather than by me." Many
> readers have internalized this new marketing-driven meaning for
> "serverless" and are hence confused
Someone should put all the proposals into a vote.
The voting system could be driven by a serverless database I presume.
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On 29 Jan 2020, at 22:54, Brian Curley wrote:
> The marketing buzzword usage will disappear...
long before we’ll have the bike shed painted!
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Am 28.01.2020 um 12:18 schrieb Richard Hipp:
On 1/28/20, Howard Chu wrote:
Wait, really?
AFAICS embedded means in-process, no IPC required to operate.
Things like MySQL-embedded and H2 run a "server" as a thread instead
of as a separate process. Clients then use Inter-Thread Communication
Jim Dodgen wrote:
> I vote for ignoring the marketing types and stick with "serverless"
The word is intended to communicate a specific meaning to readers.
Ignoring that the marketing types have changed the common meaning of
"serverless" will just lead to confusion.
Originally, "serverless" was a
e others start using "serverless" in a wrong manner, I don't see
> any
> > need for a change.
> >
> > Just my 2 cts.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
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> > To: General Discussion of SQLite Database &l
ot;serverless" in a wrong manner, I don't see any
> need for a change.
>
> Just my 2 cts.
>
>
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ent: Monday, January 27, 2020, 23:18:45
Subject: [sqlite] New word to replace "serverless"
For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the
"In-process" describes it best for me.
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:16 AM Darren Duncan
wrote:
> The concepts I like the best so far are "in-process" or "integrated" or
> something library-themed. -- Darren Duncan
>
> On 2020-01-27 2:18 p.m., Richard Hipp wrote:
> > For many years I have
The concepts I like the best so far are "in-process" or "integrated" or
something library-themed. -- Darren Duncan
On 2020-01-27 2:18 p.m., Richard Hipp wrote:
For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server
> "What is the word for that programming methodology that existed since the
> beginning when there were no threads and everything was single-task?"
Real Mode.
- Deon
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Roman Fleysher
> wrote:
>
> What is the word for that programming methodology that existed
On 28 Jan 2020, at 6:05pm, Roman Fleysher
wrote:
> I would like to ask, why is it so important to indicate that SQLite, in
> reference to threads or client/server, " does not work that way". I think
> this might help to find the words to describe it.
What a great point.
As a (retired)
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My 2ct:
In-stack callable RDBMS.
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> De: Richard Hipp Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:20:25 -0800
>
>For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
>to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
>RDBMSes. "Serverless"
Warren Young, on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 02:27 PM, wrote...
>
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> >
> > On 1/28/20, Jan Danielsson wrote:
> >> On 2020-01-28 00:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
> >>> daemon-less?
> >>
> >> This is my favorite, the only problem is that it is culturally
On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> On 1/28/20, Jan Danielsson wrote:
>> On 2020-01-28 00:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
>>> daemon-less?
>>
>> This is my favorite, the only problem is that it is culturally more a
>> Unix-y term.
>
> Since suggesting daemon-less, someone else
BYOT -> Bring Your Own Thread
Put another way: SQLITE is a BYOT Library.
- Deon
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Subject: Re: [sqlite] New word to replace "serverless"
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> Things like MySQL-embedded and H2 run a "ser
The first thing that came to mind was "client-only", though that made me
think of an old saying about lawyers,
He who represents himself has a fool for a client.
... Otherwise "server-free" has a very nice ring to it.
Carl
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020, Graham Holden wrote:
> Tuesday, January
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> Things like MySQL-embedded and H2 run a "server" as a thread instead
> of as a separate process. ... So this is really the
> same thing as a server using IPC except that the server runs in the
> same address space as the client.
I see
Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 4:25:49 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> Since suggesting daemon-less, someone else (I'll have to research who,
> exactly) suggested "server-free", which I think I like more.
What? A free server with every copy of SQLite?
That sounds like a good deal :-)
Graham
On 1/28/20, Jan Danielsson wrote:
> On 2020-01-28 00:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
>> daemon-less?
>
>This is my favorite, the only problem is that it is culturally more a
> Unix-y term.
Since suggesting daemon-less, someone else (I'll have to research who,
exactly) suggested "server-free", which
On 2020-01-28 00:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
> daemon-less?
This is my favorite, the only problem is that it is culturally more a
Unix-y term.
But there are plenty of other good suggestions from this thread.
- embedded
- self-contained
- in-process
- integrated
- connectionless
I think of it as direct access, though I could see people confusing that with
Windows Server DirectAccess.
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I like the slightly opaque "compact".
A
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 13:31, Donald Shepherd wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 12:26 am, Jose Isaias Cabrera
> wrote:
>
> >
> > R Smith, on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 06:39 AM, wrote...
> > >
> > > I do not have a great suggestion to add, but to observe
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 12:26 am, Jose Isaias Cabrera
wrote:
>
> R Smith, on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 06:39 AM, wrote...
> >
> > I do not have a great suggestion to add, but to observe that the best
> > suggestions I think are: NOT changing, (or if we have to) "Server-Free"
> > or "Localized".
>
R Smith, on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 06:39 AM, wrote...
>
> I do not have a great suggestion to add, but to observe that the best
> suggestions I think are: NOT changing, (or if we have to) "Server-Free"
> or "Localized".
I agree with these, but localize is another buzz word for translation.
Warren Young, on Monday, January 27, 2020 07:36 PM, wrote...
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> >
> > "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word that
> > means "managed by my hosting provider rather than by me.”
>
> “Serverless” it a screwy buzzword anyway, because of course
As R Smith pointed out, you already have a good description in your
existing documentation: "SQLite is a self-contained, server-free,
zero-configuration ... "
I would also throw in the term "library", because it is what it is. Sqlite
is just non-executable code that doesn't function on it's own.
On Tue, 2020-01-28 at 10:11 +1100, John McMahon wrote:
> Define what "serverless" means to you in the SQLite context and provide
> a link or pop-up to that definition wherever "serverless" occurs in the
> documentation. Perhaps also include what it doesn't mean if you think
> this is becoming an
I do not have a great suggestion to add, but to observe that the best
suggestions I think are: NOT changing, (or if we have to) "Server-Free"
or "Localized".
Especially when you consider the statement at the top of typical SQLite
docs might read:
"SQLite is a self-contained, server-free,
On 1/28/20, Howard Chu wrote:
>
> Wait, really? AFAICS embedded means in-process, no IPC required to operate.
>
Things like MySQL-embedded and H2 run a "server" as a thread instead
of as a separate process. Clients then use Inter-Thread Communication
rather than Inter-Process Communication to
stack-capturing
It captures the stack of the host.
stack-dependent
pointer-based
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Rowan Worth wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 06:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
>> Note that "in-process" and "embedded" are not adequate substitutes for
>> "serverless". An RDBMS might be in-process or embedded but still be
>> running a server in a separate thread. In fact, that is how most
>>
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Hi
How about recursive one like GNU?
Say, "SQLiteS/TL" exapanding to "Sqlite is Server Less/Thread Less"
Nataraj S Narayan
Richard Hipp writes:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
>
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 16:13 Cory Nelson wrote:
> in-situ
>
> I think this distinguishes sqlite as being different from an "in-proc yet
> separate server".
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:19 PM Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> > For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> > to
in-situ
I think this distinguishes sqlite as being different from an "in-proc yet
separate server".
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:19 PM Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Richard Hipp wrote:
> How can I fix this? What alternative word can I use in place of
> "serverless" to mean "without a server"?
Don't. I'm with Warren, Jens, Stephen on this one.
Keep it, but make a new sqlite.org/serverless doc page,
and link to it when you
On 27-1-2020 23:18, Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
> seems to mean "without a server".
>
Maybe "edge" database ? Or "local" database ? Both are trending terms, on
the theme of taking control and performance back from the cloud.
"Embedded" would be technically good, but is often associated with devices
and small things these days.
Le mar. 28 janv. 2020 à 05:58, Rowan Worth a écrit
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 06:19, Richard Hipp wrote:
> Note that "in-process" and "embedded" are not adequate substitutes for
> "serverless". An RDBMS might be in-process or embedded but still be
> running a server in a separate thread. In fact, that is how most
> embedded RDBMSes other than
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 05:18:45PM -0500, Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
...
> So what do I call
Edit, that last part should say "skim server" :D
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 10:54 PM David Baird wrote:
> How about "skim server"? So if, "server" means a whole server, then like
> whole milk versus skim milk, a fraction of a server becomes severless :)
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 9:57 PM Stephen
How about "skim server"? So if, "server" means a whole server, then like
whole milk versus skim milk, a fraction of a server becomes severless :)
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 9:57 PM Stephen Chrzanowski
wrote:
> I'd stick with "serverless". The marketing teams that make "serverless"
> mean that
I'd stick with "serverless". The marketing teams that make "serverless"
mean that websites don't run with "servers" are I-D-TEN-Ts. It's a fad
phrase that'll go away eventually. I understand marketing, and its
purpose, but, in this case, they're pushing it.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:31 PM sub
Also maybe Slipstreamed?
-Neal
On Monday, January 27, 2020, sub sk79 wrote:
> How about Seamless, Integrated or Baked-in?
>
> -Neal
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020, Warren Young wrote:
>
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>> >
>> > "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word
Standalone (library / database provider )
native
header-only (almost)
there's an entry on 'standalone programs' in wikipedia, and there's lots of
other libraries that have standalone versions, but it's not a very well
defined word.
in-process is probably closest (in-process database
SQLite is your everywhere database, except on servers ;)
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:12 PM sub sk79 wrote:
> How about Seamless, Integrated or Baked-in?
>
> -Neal
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2020, Warren Young wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> > >
> > > "serverless"
How about Seamless, Integrated or Baked-in?
-Neal
On Monday, January 27, 2020, Warren Young wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> >
> > "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word that
> > means "managed by my hosting provider rather than by me.”
>
> “Serverless” it a
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> But more recently, "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word that
> means "managed by my hosting provider rather than by me."
I hate this buzzword. It's especially confusing because peer-to-peer
architectures are also validly
On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> "serverless" has become a popular buzz-word that
> means "managed by my hosting provider rather than by me.”
“Serverless” it a screwy buzzword anyway, because of course there’s still a
server under its new meaning.
My vote? Keep using the
I'll throw in "embedded", but I'd vote for "self contained" too :-)
> On 27. Jan 2020, at 23:57, Jay Kreibich wrote:
>
> I often describe it as “self contained.”
>
> -j
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>>
>> For many years I have described
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For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way to
distinguish it fr
"When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful
tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor
less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean
so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master -
that's
On 27 Jan 2020, at 11:53pm, Donald Shepherd wrote:
> In-process? Same concept but defining it by what it is rather than what it
> isn't.
This comes closest to what I think needs stating. What you're trying to say is
that there's no process (on the accessing computer or some other computer
Server-free sounds good. Standalone too. Integrated maybe?
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 17:54 Donald Shepherd
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> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 10:19 am, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> > daemon-less?
> > --
> > D. Richard Hipp
> > d...@sqlite.org
>
>
> In-process? Same concept but defining it by what it is
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 10:19 am, Richard Hipp wrote:
> daemon-less?
> --
> D. Richard Hipp
> d...@sqlite.org
In-process? Same concept but defining it by what it is rather than what it
isn't.
Regards,
Donald Shepherd.
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"Server-free"? It's reasonably close to serverless, but doesn't have the
conflicting meaning.
Jen
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 05:18:45PM -0500, Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server
daemon-less?
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Define what "serverless" means to you in the SQLite context and provide
a link or pop-up to that definition wherever "serverless" occurs in the
documentation. Perhaps also include what it doesn't mean if you think
this is becoming an issue.
How others choose to define "serverless" should not
standalone seems reasonable.
To confuse things further, I have seen Sqlite embedded in an embedded
web server, serverless doesn't fit that case.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:45 AM Jose Isaias Cabrera wrote:
>
>
> Richard Hipp, on Monday, January 27, 2020 05:18 PM, wrote...
> >
> > For many years
I often describe it as “self contained.”
-j
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless"
Richard Hipp, on Monday, January 27, 2020 05:18 PM, wrote...
>
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
> seems to mean
I think of it as being "standalone."
Gerry Snyder
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 3:19 PM Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural
On 27 Jan 2020, at 22:18, Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
> seems to mean "without a server".
>
>
Runtimeless?
Not sure if the word runtimeless would be accurate to describe SQLite.
I'm not sure if it is even a word, I'm not a native english speaker.
But here is my contribution.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:19 PM Richard Hipp wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being
Client (only) db
Sequential db
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 5:27 PM Peter da Silva wrote:
> Local?
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 16:19 Richard Hipp, wrote:
>
> > For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> > to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
>
Local?
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020, 16:19 Richard Hipp, wrote:
> For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
> to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
> RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
> seems to mean "without a
I like "NO-SERVER"
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For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
t
For many years I have described SQLite as being "serverless", as a way
to distinguish it from the more traditional client/server design of
RDBMSes. "Serverless" seemed like the natural term to use, as it
seems to mean "without a server".
But more recently, "serverless" has become a popular
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