Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
d6jg wrote: > While I understand the question I dont actually understand why anyone > would want to have a truly random track based playlist. Its just alien > to me. > Why would I want to have the potential for say a Sex Pistols track > followed by a piece of Mozart followed by some lightweight pop? I am late to the party. But this is something I really like. My library contains of good music from different genres, and I definitely enjoy the change! I also enjoy the discovery: "Oh boy, haven't listened to this song in such a long time." If I don't like it I would not have put it into my library. On the other hand: I like to DJ with vinyl. And it helps me to remember the tracks in my "real" collections if I occationally listen to their digital counterparts, and ALL of them, in random order. I then have to think: On what vinly is this track? This is really hard and necessary. bvrulez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67251 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > C/ProgramData/Squeexebox/Prefs. > > ProgramData is a hidden folder. > > 34744 Wonderful. Thank you. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > Thanks, but I don't think that's analogous to my Win10 install. > C:\Squeezebox\Server\(no "Prefs" directory) C/ProgramData/Squeexebox/Prefs. ProgramData is a hidden folder. 34744 +---+ |Filename: windows.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34744| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > Slimserver/Prefs. > > 34743 Thanks, but I don't think that's analogous to my Win10 install. C:\Squeezebox\Server\(no "Prefs" directory) jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > Yes, from the dropdown. If there's a file stored somewhere that I can > manually edit, that would work. Maybe Michael knows. Slimserver/Prefs. 34743 +---+ |Filename: advsearch.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34743| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Yes, it applies to Random Mix, that's why the option has been added > > But currenltly track mix only. > > > recently. Why would it matter how fast or slow shuffling an existing > > tracklist takes? :) > > On really slow hardware shuffling a really large list can take some > time. It has more overhead than shuffling the full track list, as the > latter is using "raw" data, wheres the playlist is working with track > objects. > > > I don't think *shuffle method* is a very good description for this > > feature. > > What would you call it? (I'm obviously not a native English speaker!) Sorry, I'm not quite abreast of what it actually does, I thought it was to help achieve a more random "random mix". Perhaps "shuffle method" is correct, I don't know, I've no strong views on the matter. :rolleyes: *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > I don't actually know what that means. I mainly use SqueezCtrl with the > default UI. > > I can save a search as a library view, use that library view on the app, > and put it on shuffle. I can even delete library views from the app!If you > haven't tried Material skin you are missing out. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=923338 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > You can get to it from Material skin. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I don't actually know what that means. I mainly use SqueezCtrl with the default UI. I can save a search as a library view, use that library view on the app, and put it on shuffle. I can even delete library views from the app! jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > Darn, I just realized that I can't get to advanced search from an > android app.You can get to it from Material skin. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Darn, I just realized that I can't get to advanced search from an android app. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > Seems fine if that's how you want to do it. :) > > I don't use "saved searches" at all, so I can't help with deleting them > - from the dropdown box? Yes, from the dropdown. If there's a file stored somewhere that I can manually edit, that would work. Maybe Michael knows. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > I'm sure I'm being dense, but it doesn't seem like I need a library view > for this. > > If I do an advanced search for files modified after 05/10/2021, click > search, then click "all songs", this is an example of what I need. I can > save the search as "recently added", and as I wish I can go in and edit > the date in the search before the next time I run it. > > First, what is it I'm missing? Second, is there somewhere I can go to > delete saved searches? Seems fine if that's how you want to do it. :) I don't use "saved searches" at all, so I can't help with deleting them - from the dropdown box? *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Yes, it applies to Random Mix, that's why the option has been added But currenltly track mix only. recently. Why would it matter how fast or slow shuffling an existing tracklist takes? :) On really slow hardware shuffling a really large list can take some time. It has more overhead than shuffling the full track list, as the latter is using "raw" data, wheres the playlist is working with track objects. I don't think *shuffle method* is a very good description for this feature. What would you call it? (I'm obviously not a native English speaker!) ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > You need to define a library view. Link to instructions on how to do > this is below, assuming you use the default skin. If you use Material > Skin it's a bit different. > > The linked example is for a FLAC library view, change the search > criteria to your own criteria. > > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111797-separate-libraries=968966=1#post968966 I'm sure I'm being dense, but it doesn't seem like I need a library view for this. If I do an advanced search for files modified after 05/10/2021, click search, then click "all songs", this is an example of what I need. I can save the search as "recently added", and as I wish I can go in and edit the date in the search before the next time I run it. First, what is it I'm missing? Second, is there somewhere I can go to delete saved searches? jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
tw99 wrote: > Does that option apply to Random Mix? I'd have thought it was for > shuffling within an existing tracklist, where Random Mix is about > creating the tracklist itself. Yes, it applies to Random Mix, that's why the option has been added recently. Why would it matter how fast or slow shuffling an existing tracklist takes? :) I don't think *shuffle method* is a very good description for this feature. *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
tw99 wrote: > Does that option apply to Random Mix? I'd have thought it was for > shuffling within an existing tracklist, where Random Mix is about > creating the tracklist itself.Yes that is what this thread is about. The same > algorithm choice was later added to shuffle. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > Actually, I'm not completely clear on this. > > I can go to advanced search and search for songs based on modified date > and then play "all songs" on shuffle. That's the desired effect. > > I don't see saved searches on my interface, or how to save them. I also > don't see how a library view enters into the equation. You need to define a library view. Link to instructions on how to do this is below, assuming you use the default skin. If you use Material Skin it's a bit different. The linked example is for a FLAC library view, change the search criteria to your own criteria. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111797-separate-libraries=968966=1#post968966 *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Actually, I'm not completely clear on this. I can go to advanced search and search for songs based on modified date and then play "all songs" on shuffle. That's the desired effect. I don't see saved searches on my interface, or how to save them. I also don't see how a library view enters into the equation. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > You can create a "Library View" based on an album's *date modified,* > which is that which LMS uses to define what come under the menu item > "New Music". > > 34740 > > 34741 That's very useful, thank you. It also contradicts my assumption that since I can tell set "New Music Limit" to a quantity of my choosing, it would get that number, irrespective of date. I didn't realize "new" was anything other than "most recent". This will work. Again, thanks. I will say that a setting for "last x days" would be more useful for my use case than a calendar date. That would be a rolling date that didn't require manual alteration. I can't have everything! jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > Here. > > 34718 Does that option apply to Random Mix? I'd have thought it was for shuffling within an existing tracklist, where Random Mix is about creating the tracklist itself. tw99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51684 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > OK, a new "random" question: > > Does anyone know of a method for delivery of a random mix from just "new > music"? You can create a "Library View" based on an album's *date modified,* which is that which LMS uses to define what come under the menu item "New Music". 34740 34741 +---+ |Filename: randomnew.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34741| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
OK, a new "random" question: Does anyone know of a method for delivery of a random mix from just "new music"? jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > I just played 24 tracks with no repeat artists using the balance > setting. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk "faster" seems to be working better for me than "balanced". Thanks! jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > I just played 24 tracks with no repeat artists using the balance > setting. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I harbor no illusion that others are experiencing this phenomena. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > I'll give that a try and report back as soon as another "new or changed" > rescan finishes.I just played 24 tracks with no repeat artists using the > balance setting. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > What happens if you change the random mix setting back to the faster > setting? That was the original default. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I'll give that a try and report back as soon as another "new or changed" rescan finishes. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > Tens of thousands of hours over the last 13 or so years. Suddenly, I can > see one artist, or one segment of my library take up 4-6 slots out of > every ten. I can judge that something's wrong instantly. I can sit there > and reload a random song mix over and over and see this behavior ten out > of ten times. It's new.What happens if you change the random mix setting back > to the faster setting? That was the original default. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > How long are you letting random mix play to judge the song mix? I > haven't really left it running more than an hour or so. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Tens of thousands of hours over the last 13 or so years. Suddenly, I can see one artist, or one segment of my library take up 4-6 slots out of every ten. I can judge that something's wrong instantly. I can sit there and reload a random song mix over and over and see this behavior ten out of ten times. It's new. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > I only use the webUI or an app. I only telnetted in to run that one > command because I had no choice. I never initiate random mix from the > command line.How long are you letting random mix play to judge the song mix? I haven't really left it running more than an hour or so. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > I have no idea if that setting applies to CLI commands. What happens if > you just use the webUI to start a random song mix? > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I only use the webUI or an app. I only telnetted in to run that one command because I had no choice. I never initiate random mix from the command line. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > That's how mine is set.I have no idea if that setting applies to CLI > commands. What happens if you just use the webUI to start a random song mix? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
That's how mine is set. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > After all these years, I learn there are options? Where are they? I > don't think I changed anything? Here. 34718 +---+ |Filename: balanced.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34718| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 7.0.1/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > Which random mix option are you using, faster or balanced? > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk After all these years, I learn there are options? Where are they? I don't think I changed anything? jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
jstraw wrote: > On a lark, I restarted the machine running 8.2.0. It didn't help. > > This is very weird.Which random mix option are you using, faster or balanced? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
On a lark, I restarted the machine running 8.2.0. It didn't help. This is very weird. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
And the answer is yes. Another part of my library is now dominating random songs. Has anyone else reported anything similar? jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
So the more accurate math is that 3.4% of my library was generating 50+% of random song play. This is maybe three days old, max. It may just be since I installed 8.2.0. I've moved part of the directory tree out of library and an am currently scanning for new and changed files. Maybe something else will begin to dominate random songs. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > I now think I broke random songs as evidenced by "414 Request-URI Too > > Large" being reported. I think there are too many entries on the > genre > > list to make adjustments through the web interface. Solving problem > #2 > > may involve a command line fix that I've forgotten. > > What command line fix? Is this using some custom code on your end? Telnetting in and running the "randomplaygenreselectall 1" command, which I just did, and fixed problem #2. Problem #1 persists. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I now think I broke random songs as evidenced by "414 Request-URI Too Large" being reported. I think there are too many entries on the genre list to make adjustments through the web interface. Solving problem #2 may involve a command line fix that I've forgotten. What command line fix? Is this using some custom code on your end? ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I now think I broke random songs as evidenced by "414 Request-URI Too Large" being reported. I think there are too many entries on the genre list to make adjustments through the web interface. Solving problem #2 may involve a command line fix that I've forgotten. jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Random mix problem #1: For the last several days, one artist that is admittedly heavily represented in my very large library, but still represents only a percent or two of the total, has been showing up as anywhere from 40% to 75% of the tracks when I load random songs. Random mix problem #2: That artist frequently has the artist name set as a genre. I just went and unchecked that genre and now the "loading" spinner has been running for about five minutes and counting after trying to play random songs with that genre unchecked and saved. I can't play random songs now. Any thoughts? jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
benh wrote: > For nearly 15 years, my most frequent use of LMS is to random mix my > entire library. When I'm awake and not otherwise doing something that > requires silence, I have music playing on random. I like hearing things > I've forgotten I have. > > Now and then, I will focus on a specific album or artist, usually right > after getting something new, but random song play is overwhelmingly my > primary use case. > > I exclude a few genres as a matter of course, but past that, I'm exactly > letting whatever comes up come up. Same here. :) *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/AlloBoss DAC HAT/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
For nearly 15 years, my most frequent use of LMS is to random mix my entire library. When I'm awake and not otherwise doing something that requires silence, I have music playing on random. I like hearing things I've forgotten I have. Now and then, I will focus on a specific album or artist, usually right after getting something new, but random song play is overwhelmingly my primary use case. I exclude a few genres as a matter of course, but past that, I'm exactly letting whatever comes up come up. My playlist right now: Taylor Swift Larkin Poe The Beths Bettie Serveert The Wrens Michael Jackson Howlin Wolf Frank Zappa Loreena McKennitt The Cure Michell Shocked Concrete Blonde Capercaillie Broadcast Justin Townes Earle The Magnetic Fields Bob Marley Malcolm Holcombe Peter Murphy Tyler Childers Pink Martini Serge Gainsbourg Allen Toussaint Southern Culture On The Skids Descendents Beck Count Basie REM Miles Davis Tom Waits benh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6732 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
RobbH wrote: > I might ask why some people want to hear slight variations on the same > thing, over and over again. That's just alien to me. > > But isn't it a good thing for LMS to provide the capability for whatever > the user wants, even if somebody else finds it incomprehensibly weird? > > I usually have some filters engaged to shape random play in the > direction I want. Here's a recent playlist, covering a little more than > an hour: > > artist: Billie Holiday > title: You're So Desirable > album: Lady Day on Columbia Disc 05 > > artist: B.B. King > title: I Need You So Bad > > artist: Duke Ellington > title: Cotton Club Stomp > album: Complete 1932-1940 Brunswick, Columbia, Master Recordings CD > 11 > > artist: The Allman Brothers Band > title: In Memory of Elizabeth Reed > album: Idlewild South > > artist: Dizzy Gillespie > title: Shaw 'Nuff > album: Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz vol 3 > > artist: King Crimson > title: Formentera Lady (take 2) > album: Islands > > artist: Floyd Dixon > title: I Wanna Rock Now > album: Wake Up And Live! > > artist: Sam Cooke > title: Twistin' The Night Away > album: The Man Who Invented Soul 2 > > artist: Elvis Presley > title: I Forgot To Remember To Forget > album: Sun Rise CD1 > > artist: Jess Stacy > title: After You've Gone No.3 > album: Complete Commodore Vol.2 Disc 19 > > artist: Seattle Symphony Chorale > title: IV. Thanksgiving & Forefathers' Day > album: Ives: New England Holidays & Orchestral Sets Nos. 1 & 2 > > artist: Dizzy Gillespie > title: That´s Earl, Brother > album: 1945-1950 Small Groups - Night In Tunisia > > artist: Claude Bolling, Jean-Pierre Rampal > title: Fugace > album: Suite For Flute & Jazz Piano Trio > > artist: Charlie Parker, Miles Davis > title: Cheryl > album: The Savoy Recordings CD1 > > artist: Emmett Lee Brooks > title: Dancin' > album: Detroit After Hours Vol 1 > > artist: Sarah Vaughan > title: Make Believe > album: Chronological Sarah 1947-1949 > > artist: Rachmaninov > title: Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini > > artist: John McLaughlin > title: The Dolphin > album: Thieves and Poets Nice little playlist and point taken. All who have answered me have said they use filters so my point is sort of valid. No one actually seems to want total randomness but instead randomness based on a subset defined by exception. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
d6jg wrote: > While I understand the question I dont actually understand why anyone > would want to have a truly random track based playlist. Its just alien > to me. > Why would I want to have the potential for say a Sex Pistols track > followed by a piece of Mozart followed by some lightweight pop? I much > prefer the more focused but random approach of LastMix/DSTM > Do people really opt for total randomness across their entire library or > is it focussed total randomness across a subset of genres thats being > sought? > > NB I do recognise that a smaller library with limited genre range might > make this desirable. I might ask why some people want to hear slight variations on the same thing, over and over again. That's just alien to me. But isn't it a good thing for LMS to provide the capability for whatever the user wants, even if somebody else finds it incomprehensibly weird? I usually have some filters engaged to shape random play in the direction I want. Here's a recent playlist, covering a little more than an hour: artist: Billie Holiday title: You're So Desirable album: Lady Day on Columbia Disc 05 artist: B.B. King title: I Need You So Bad artist: Duke Ellington title: Cotton Club Stomp album: Complete 1932-1940 Brunswick, Columbia, Master Recordings CD 11 artist: The Allman Brothers Band title: In Memory of Elizabeth Reed album: Idlewild South artist: Dizzy Gillespie title: Shaw 'Nuff album: Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz vol 3 artist: King Crimson title: Formentera Lady (take 2) album: Islands artist: Floyd Dixon title: I Wanna Rock Now album: Wake Up And Live! artist: Sam Cooke title: Twistin' The Night Away album: The Man Who Invented Soul 2 artist: Elvis Presley title: I Forgot To Remember To Forget album: Sun Rise CD1 artist: Jess Stacy title: After You've Gone No.3 album: Complete Commodore Vol.2 Disc 19 artist: Seattle Symphony Chorale title: IV. Thanksgiving & Forefathers' Day album: Ives: New England Holidays & Orchestral Sets Nos. 1 & 2 artist: Dizzy Gillespie title: That´s Earl, Brother album: 1945-1950 Small Groups - Night In Tunisia artist: Claude Bolling, Jean-Pierre Rampal title: Fugace album: Suite For Flute & Jazz Piano Trio artist: Charlie Parker, Miles Davis title: Cheryl album: The Savoy Recordings CD1 artist: Emmett Lee Brooks title: Dancin' album: Detroit After Hours Vol 1 artist: Sarah Vaughan title: Make Believe album: Chronological Sarah 1947-1949 artist: Rachmaninov title: Rhapsody On A Theme Of Paganini artist: John McLaughlin title: The Dolphin album: Thieves and Poets LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
d6jg wrote: > While I understand the question I dont actually understand why anyone > would want to have a truly random track based playlist. Its just alien > to me. > Why would I want to have the potential for say a Sex Pistols track > followed by a piece of Mozart followed by some lightweight pop? I much > prefer the more focused but random approach of LastMix/DSTM > Do people really opt for total randomness across their entire library or > is it focussed total randomness across a subset of genres thats being > sought? > > NB I do recognise that a smaller library with limited genre range might > make this desirable. I actually really value this wierd juxtaposition of music and have 2 random playlists constantly running that are my go to. One for Classical ( works only not parts of works generally an Op.x counts as a work; so around 1300 of them) Here's my next listening Don Juan Strauss R The Creation Haydn Concerts Royaux -concert 6Couperin Orchestral Suite #3 In D, BWV 1068 Bach Missa Brevis Kodály, One for Everything else including soundtracks around 22000 "songs" Angel Jack Johnson Colorbars Elliott Smith Fast ForwardJoe Jackson Night TerrorLaura Marling Operator (That's Not The Way It Feels) Diana Krall For the record next time I listen to the Sex Pistols, it will be preceeded by Stevie Wonder and followed by Rae Morris. There you go - Mind blown? I would be amazed if anyone else does this tbh The Groundsman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
d6jg wrote: > While I understand the question I dont actually understand why anyone > would want to have a truly random track based playlist. Its just alien > to me. > Why would I want to have the potential for say a Sex Pistols track > followed by a piece of Mozart followed by some lightweight pop? I much > prefer the more focused but random approach of LastMix/DSTM > Do people really opt for total randomness across their entire library or > is it focussed total randomness across a subset of genres thats being > sought? > > NB I do recognise that a smaller library with limited genre range might > make this desirable.I would think most people disable some genres from the > random mix. You can also restrict it to a library view. It can be a good way of reintroducing yourself to parts of your library you might not have visited for ages. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
While I understand the question I dont actually understand why anyone would want to have a truly random track based playlist. Its just alien to me. Why would I want to have the potential for say a Sex Pistols track followed by a piece of Mozart followed by some lightweight pop? I much prefer the more focused but random approach of LastMix/DSTM Do people really opt for total randomness across their entire library or is it focussed total randomness across a subset of genres thats being sought? NB I do recognise that a smaller library with limited genre range might make this desirable. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Does anyone use anything other than Song Mix? I'm an album listener. I used to use Album Mix - before I implemented the Random Albums option, which suits my expectations better. Because it's not all random, but I have some control :-) ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
whitman wrote: > My guess is that Shuffle By Albums would be less used anyway, but maybe > that's just because I don't have much use for that myself.I agree. Does > anyone use anything other than Song Mix? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Now we have the two shuffle options as a global setting at > > Settings/Advanced/Performance, so that setting will apply to anything > > one plays, including, say, a Spotty playlist, or a Library > View-filtered > > set of tracks from Random Mix. > > It's currently only being used in two places: > > - playing a Random Song Mix > - track shuffling the current queue > > Other Random Mix options, or the Shuffle by Albums option don't use it > (yet). I'll see whether I'll extend to them once the current > implementation has been well tested. My guess is that Shuffle By Albums would be less used anyway, but maybe that's just because I don't have much use for that myself. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Now we have the two shuffle options as a global setting at Settings/Advanced/Performance, so that setting will apply to anything one plays, including, say, a Spotty playlist, or a Library View-filtered set of tracks from Random Mix. It's currently only being used in two places: - playing a Random Song Mix - track shuffling the current queue Other Random Mix options, or the Shuffle by Albums option don't use it (yet). I'll see whether I'll extend to them once the current implementation has been well tested. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Er... does that mean slower or faster to create the initial shuffled > > list, slower or faster to add new items to that list, or what? > > The process of shuffling the list takes longer. Whether this is the > initial shuffle, or re-shuffling after adding stuff doesn't really > matter. OK, understood. Now we have the two shuffle options as a global setting at Settings/Advanced/Performance, so that setting will apply to anything one plays, including, say, a Spotty playlist, or a Library View-filtered set of tracks from Random Mix. As the original poster here, I'm really grateful, Michael, for the efficient way you've dealt with all this. Beautifully random. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Er... does that mean slower or faster to create the initial shuffled list, slower or faster to add new items to that list, or what? The process of shuffling the list takes longer. Whether this is the initial shuffle, or re-shuffling after adding stuff doesn't really matter. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Also, what does the "slower" and "faster" in those options actually > > relate to. Slower what? Faster what? > > Slower/faster shuffling. Er... does that mean slower or faster to create the initial shuffled list, slower or faster to add new items to that list, or what? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Also, what does the "slower" and "faster" in those options actually relate to. Slower what? Faster what? Slower/faster shuffling. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Michael, do I understand correctly that this will somehow be a new > > option? Is it/will it be in the latest/an upcoming 8.2? > > It is in the latest builds. Yes, in Settings/Advanced/Performance you > can select whether you want the more "balanced" mix, or truely random > (which people have complained about). OK, got it. So that is now the place to choose the two shuffle methods, as a global choice? Also, what does the "slower" and "faster" in those options actually relate to. Slower what? Faster what? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
@michael, would it be possible to somehow apply this lovely new randomization to the CLI for ["playlist", "loadtracks"] ? Hmm... Any reason to not make the default behaviour of loadtracks randomized, I'm an album listener. Isn't that reason enough? :-P or else add an extra parameter for the call so that random or not can be specified when loadtracks is called? No particular reason but... too many things on the todo list! But hey! I'll happily review the pull request. I'd argue that using loadtracks is not the same as playing an album so there should not be an automatic expectation of preserved order anyway. loadtracks is a command to play tracks. Whether these are a list of individual tracks, an album, a well curated playlist or whatever is not up to the command to assume. It should do what it's told to do: play the tracks it's given. You can always create the list of URLs on your end and send the command that list instead of an album ID or whatever. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Michael, do I understand correctly that this will somehow be a new option? Is it/will it be in the latest/an upcoming 8.2? It is in the latest builds. Yes, in Settings/Advanced/Performance you can select whether you want the more "balanced" mix, or truely random (which people have complained about). ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
setting has been move to Performance? At the moment the two settings can be different, maybe the old one in Random Mix is ignored. The Random Mix prefernence should be gone in the latest builds (probably not from Material - where it's still available in the UI, but doesn't have any effect). ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
cpd73 wrote: > If you do, which makes total sense, perhaps the config item (to control > shuffle type) should be a global LMS setting, and not a random mix > specific setting? If so, then I'll remove this config from Material...Am I > right in thinking the setting in Random Mix will be removed now the setting has been move to Performance? At the moment the two settings can be different, maybe the old one in Random Mix is ignored. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > >> Why don't you just play that playlist and turn shuffle on? > > > > Michael , because that gives a non-random-feeling list (again). > > Oh, I should probably implement the same there... Michael, do I understand correctly that this will somehow be a new option? Is it/will it be in the latest/an upcoming 8.2? whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
@michael, would it be possible to somehow apply this lovely new randomization to the CLI for ["playlist", "loadtracks"] ? In LMS, the concept of shuffle/random is (currently) a *player*-level setting. If this CLI-construct is called for a player that currently has shuffle disabled, the track order will always be the same - even when loading 10K tracks that meet the loadtracks specifier. So asking MediaServer to 'play some oldies' will always produce exactly the same playlist (unless the player happens to have shuffle enabled). Boring :D Any reason to not make the default behaviour of loadtracks randomized, or else add an extra parameter for the call so that random or not can be specified when loadtracks is called? I'd argue that using loadtracks is not the same as playing an album so there should not be an automatic expectation of preserved order anyway. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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slartibartfast wrote: > Do you think you will want to switch between the two types? > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Right now, I think I would. It's certainly possible that I'd just pick one and stick with it over time. benh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6732 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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benh wrote: > As a point of input, from a UX perspective, being able to choose the > random mix type seems like an option I want to see at the point of > creating a random mix. Setting a default globally makes some sense, but > I'd like to be able to pick one or the other in the random mix picker.Do you > think you will want to switch between the two types? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
As a point of input, from a UX perspective, being able to choose the random mix type seems like an option I want to see at the point of creating a random mix. Setting a default globally makes some sense, but I'd like to be able to pick one or the other in the random mix picker. benh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6732 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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If you do, which makes total sense, perhaps the config item (to control shuffle type) should be a global LMS setting, and not a random mix specific setting? If so, then I'll remove this config from Material... Hehe... I just left a comment about this on your repo. Yes, I plan to move it to the Performance settings. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > >> Why don't you just play that playlist and turn shuffle on? > > > > Michael , because that gives a non-random-feeling list (again). > > Oh, I should probably implement the same there... If you do, which makes total sense, perhaps the config item (to control shuffle type) should be a global LMS setting, and not a random mix specific setting? If so, then I'll remove this config from Material... *Material debug:* 1. Launch via http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json (Use http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json,cometd to also see update messages, e.g. play queue) 2. Open browser's developer tools 3. Open console tab in developer tools 4. REQ/RESP messages sent to/from LMS will be logged here. cpd73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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Why don't you just play that playlist and turn shuffle on? Michael , because that gives a non-random-feeling list (again). Oh, I should probably implement the same there... ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > Spotify albums. Is there a way to set up a saved Advanced Search that > > will use one of my Spotify playlists as the source? I can't see an > > obvious (to me) way to do that. It would be nice to be able to do > that, > > for a more finely curated set of tracks to randomise from. > > Why don't you just play that playlist and turn shuffle on? Michael , because that gives a non-random-feeling list (again). whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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Spotify albums. Is there a way to set up a saved Advanced Search that will use one of my Spotify playlists as the source? I can't see an obvious (to me) way to do that. It would be nice to be able to do that, for a more finely curated set of tracks to randomise from. Why don't you just play that playlist and turn shuffle on? ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Michael, this is wonderful. Not so random as to be too randomwith all that we now know about the perceived non-randomness of true randombut random enough to feel random. I think that's right. Yes, I've read that sentence again and it makes some sort of sense. Anyway, I am happily randomised! One related question. When I first posted to start this thread, one of the other things I wondered about was the potential to run different sets of source material to provide the random music. I know now from this thread how to do an Advanced Search and save that as a Library View, and use the LV as the random source in Random Mix ... which is what I'm doing right now to access my Spotify tracks (by having searched for them as a genre). That feeds random music from my saved Spotify albums. Is there a way to set up a saved Advanced Search that will use one of my Spotify playlists as the source? I can't see an obvious (to me) way to do that. It would be nice to be able to do that, for a more finely curated set of tracks to randomise from. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > I think the "shuffle" described by the Spotify engineer is the effect > > that people want from a "random" option. 2-4 seconds is not > something > > to worry about in my opinion but for those with "legacy" CPUs, I > think > > there should be the option to choose a "simple random" option. > > The next 8.2 nightly build will offer a fast vs. "balanced" shuffling > option. Please check it out. Remember, I'm the one who doesn't want this. But I've been using it several hours now, and I'm impressed. I miss the occasional surprises that occur with random play, the segues that make you think, "that can't possibly be random." So I'm glad there's an option to go back the usual implementation of random, but I think I'll be using this option much more than I expected. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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cpd73 wrote: > ...although it is if you use Material from git :) Change will be in > 2.4.0 You're quick, Ta :cool: location 1: lms 8.2 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1 touch, x1 controller : location 2: lms 8.0 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1 duet receiver, x1 controller : alexa mediaserver smart skill, material android, squeezelitex control staresy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=807 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
staresy wrote: > BTW the way the enable/disable setting option doesn't appear in > material, I guess that's a Craig thing. ...although it is if you use Material from git :) Change will be in 2.4.0 *Material debug:* 1. Launch via http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json (Use http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json,cometd to also see update messages, e.g. play queue) 2. Open browser's developer tools 3. Open console tab in developer tools 4. REQ/RESP messages sent to/from LMS will be logged here. cpd73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > I think the "shuffle" described by the Spotify engineer is the effect > > that people want from a "random" option. 2-4 seconds is not > something > > to worry about in my opinion but for those with "legacy" CPUs, I > think > > there should be the option to choose a "simple random" option. > > The next 8.2 nightly build will offer a fast vs. "balanced" shuffling > option. Please check it out. Hi Michael, That does indeed produce a more "balanced" mix with less obvious repetition, so the user perception (for me at least) is that it is "more" random although, as you explain it actually isn't. Gets my vote. BTW the way the enable/disable setting option doesn't appear in material, I guess that's a Craig thing. location 1: lms 8.2 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1 touch, x1 controller : location 2: lms 8.0 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1 duet receiver, x1 controller : alexa mediaserver smart skill, material android, squeezelitex control staresy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=807 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I think the "shuffle" described by the Spotify engineer is the effect that people want from a "random" option. 2-4 seconds is not something to worry about in my opinion but for those with "legacy" CPUs, I think there should be the option to choose a "simple random" option. The next 8.2 nightly build will offer a fast vs. "balanced" shuffling option. Please check it out. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I like the idea of having different kinds of random play to choose from, and *really* like the idea of weighted play. benh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6732 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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No answer here, but a restatement of the issue: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/375842/shuffle-in-music-players coyrls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44253 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I think the "shuffle" described by the Spotify engineer is the effect that people want from a "random" option. 2-4 seconds is not something to worry about in my opinion but for those with "legacy" CPUs, I think there should be the option to choose a "simple random" option. coyrls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44253 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > Would there be interest to give this a try? The "balanced" method would > > be much higher load on the CPU. On my Pi4 it takes about 2-4 seconds to > > shuffle 21k tracks, probably twice of what the simple Fischer Yates > algorithm would take. I haven't really profiled it yet to see where most > > of the time is spent. But if you look at the code, then you'll see that > > there's much more processing going on. If it's only twice the processing time I would say this is definitely worth the trouble. lauret's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17632 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > So my plea is, Let Random be Random! > > C'mon! Now that the topic caught my interest, you're killing it again > :-D > > I'll take a not to introduce yet another preference should I succeed to > > implement something less random than what people consider not random > enough... It wasn't my intention to kill the topic! I think there are lots of options that could make sense. For instance: do not repeat artist, album or song title within X entries. I also think options for weighted random play could be useful. Here's what I mean: suppose my library included 600 Western Swing tracks, 300 Chicago Blues tracks, and 100 Be-bop tracks. But I want a random playlist that's 75% Chicago Blues, 15% Be-bop, and 10% Western Swing. But yes, I hope there will always be an option for random to be as random as possible! It does sometimes defy expectations, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Ok, so here's a little experiment I did: I created a Random Play Song Mix and drew a chart, where you'd see the position of a few artists' tracks within that list would be. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n--27Xr07Mvv2hCvoVlwmozzTgLVWUTtB0GaFJiuHjw/edit#gid=1199939011 As you can see those tracks aren't always well distributed along the time line (x axis). The first from the top has quite a few clusters, then long periods of no playtimer at all. Or the second would have nothing for a long time, then the two tracks within a relatively short period (well, that might be hundreds or even thousands of tracks, but close together relatively speaking). I then took a stab at the algorithm as outlined by a Spotify engineer a few years back (https://engineering.atspotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-songs/). I'm not saying I'm implementing 100% accurately, as there's no reference code there. But the result is quite obvious: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n--27Xr07Mvv2hCvoVlwmozzTgLVWUTtB0GaFJiuHjw/edit#gid=1528357602 An artist's track would be spread quite evenly along the timeline. The very popular artist towards the bottom seems to have more clusters than the others. I'm not sure yet what is causing this. Whether it's a lack of resolution or whatever. But if you have an artist which is so much more popular than others, then that's what you get :-D. Would there be interest to give this a try? The "balanced" method would be much higher load on the CPU. On my Pi4 it takes about 2-4 seconds to shuffle 21k tracks, probably twice of what the simple Fischer Yates algorithm would take. I haven't really profiled it yet to see where most of the time is spent. But if you look at the code, then you'll see that there's much more processing going on. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > So my plea is, Let Random be Random! > > C'mon! Now that the topic caught my interest, you're killing it again > :-D > > I'll take a not to introduce yet another preference should I succeed to > > implement something less random than what people consider not random > enough... I think that's it, Michael, random but not so random that you'd think it wasn't random. Then, as Cliff would put it, we should be Wired For Sound. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > > So my plea is, Let Random be Random! > > C'mon! Now that the topic caught my interest, you're killing it again > :-D > > I'll take a not to introduce yet another preference should I succeed to > implement something less random than what people consider not random > enough...I use Random Song mix and two of the last three mixes have included songs from Cliff Richard "The Hit List". If it was a different album it wouldn't bother me as much [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
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So my plea is, Let Random be Random! C'mon! Now that the topic caught my interest, you're killing it again :-D I'll take a not to introduce yet another preference should I succeed to implement something less random than what people consider not random enough... ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > What random mix types would people be using when they believe it wasn't > > random enough? I'm currently playing with the Spotify approach. But it's > > hard to test whether it feels better than real random order... I have "random" configured to give me just one random song from my collection, some genres excluded, and not add any afterwards, letting SugarCube (or some form of DSTM) take over after that. Since the implementation of SugarCube Auto Mix I don't even use the random function anymore ... Main System: Touch; Marantz SR-5004 + TMA Premium 905 + TMA Premium 901 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 + BK Monolith+ FF + Lenovo T460 + Kodi + Pioneer PDP-LX5090H Workshop: iPad 32GB Wifi + Squeezepad (local playback activated) Wherever needed: Acer Iconia Tab A700 + Squeezeplayer Kitchen: iPhone 5s + iPeng (local playback activated) + NAD 312 + Teufel Ultima 20 Mk 2 Headphone (cozy corner): Lenovo T550 + Squeezelite-X + Cyrus Soundkey + Topping A30 + Focal Elear Car: TBC ... bakker_be's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30369 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
mherger wrote: > What random mix types would people be using when they believe it wasn't > > random enough? I'm currently playing with the Spotify approach. But it's > > hard to test whether it feels better than real random order... My preference is for genuine random, but limited to unique numbers. In other words, random without repeats, until random play is reset or all available tracks have been played. That's the current approach, isn't it? I prefer to have occasional coincidences, like two tracks in a row by the same artist, or two different versions of the same song. After all, when cards are properly shuffled, it still happens on very rare occasions that a player will be dealt a royal flush or some other winning hand. If truly random play were left running indefinitely, eventually (not necessarily in the lifetime of anybody now alive) a Cliff Richard album would play all the way through, in the correct order. So my plea is, Let Random be Random! LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
What random mix types would people be using when they believe it wasn't random enough? I'm currently playing with the Spotify approach. But it's hard to test whether it feels better than real random order... ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
kidstypike wrote: > You did tick the box? Ha! Hiding from me right there in plain sight. That did the trick(almost) endless music now. Thank you, kidstypike. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
I'd still recommend trying Dynamic and SQL Playlist plugins by Erland. I know someone mentioned a crash, But I've not had a single LMS failure including one complete wipe and reinstalled Dynamic and SQL without the old license plugin before Erland made them unsupported. I do run recent 8.1.2 LMS and always update and these plugins just keep on working flawlessly. Bottom line is they work great for what you want, you can apply quite a few different filters so if your music is well organized they just work. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 8.1.2 on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 8.1.2 on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
slartibartfast wrote: > When I tried this two songs from the same Cliff Richard album appeared > in the first twelve songs. Coincidence? > Congratulations and jubilation. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
RobbH wrote: > Thanks! I'm glad that has helped. About your remaining issue, I have > experienced the same thing sometimes. I THINK it has usually happened if > I try to add random play to the existing current playlist. In other > words, I click the plus sign on Random Songs rather than the play icon; > ten tracks are added to the end of playlist, but nothing else is added > after they play. If instead I click on the play icon, it replaces the > current playlist with ten tracks and continues to add more tracks as > those are played. > > As to why it happens, I don't know. Possibly LMS somehow thinks a > different random mix is still playing. Stopping play or clearing the > playlist might make a difference. (But of course, when you add tracks to > the current playlist, clearing the playlist is exactly what you don't > want to do.) > > Sorry, I don't have a definite answer for you. All I can tell you is > that it usually doesn't happen for me. Maybe you can determine what > causes this glitch to occur.I just tried this by playing a single track then > adding a random song mix and a song was added to the playlist during the first song of the 10 random songs. The most likely reason for no additional songs being added is that the tick box to "Add new items when old ones finish" is unchecked. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
whitman wrote: > RobbH, I'm a fan of patience, specially where your advice is concerned. > I had not done these settings, mainly because I had no idea they were > there. > > So, I did indeed set them, and (I'm loathe to say this, as I've suffered > from early optimism before, but...) it does seem to be delivering a good > result. > > Even with the caveats that I've read about in those interesting posts > and links above on the psychology and engineering of so-called > randomness, still I'm impressed. > > This does (careful now...) seem to have sorted it for me, for which many > thanks. > > There is a but, though. The only thing not right is that I only get a > playlist of ten songs. Plays ten "random" (maybe we ought to call them > shuffled?) songs from my defined source, then stops. Does this have > anything to do with the "Now Playing will show" bit, or is it another > setting somewhere else I don't know about yet? I'd like it to just keep > going till I tell it to stop. > > Anyway, randomly speaking, I'm smiling. Ta. Thanks! I'm glad that has helped. About your remaining issue, I have experienced the same thing sometimes. I THINK it has usually happened if I try to add random play to the existing current playlist. In other words, I click the plus sign on Random Songs rather than the play icon; ten tracks are added to the end of playlist, but nothing else is added after they play. If instead I click on the play icon, it replaces the current playlist with ten tracks and continues to add more tracks as those are played. As to why it happens, I don't know. Possibly LMS somehow thinks a different random mix is still playing. Stopping play or clearing the playlist might make a difference. (But of course, when you add tracks to the current playlist, clearing the playlist is exactly what you don't want to do.) Sorry, I don't have a definite answer for you. All I can tell you is that it usually doesn't happen for me. Maybe you can determine what causes this glitch to occur. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
whitman wrote: > RobbH, I'm a fan of patience, specially where your advice is concerned. > I had not done these settings, mainly because I had no idea they were > there. > > So, I did indeed set them, and (I'm loathe to say this, as I've suffered > from early optimism before, but...) it does seem to be delivering a good > result. > > Even with the caveats that I've read about in those interesting posts > and links above on the psychology and engineering of so-called > randomness, still I'm impressed. > > This does (careful now...) seem to have sorted it for me, for which many > thanks. > > There is a but, though. The only thing not right is that I only get a > playlist of ten songs. Plays ten "random" (maybe we ought to call them > shuffled?) songs from my defined source, then stops. Does this have > anything to do with the "Now Playing will show" bit, or is it another > setting somewhere else I don't know about yet? I'd like it to just keep > going till I tell it to stop. > > Anyway, randomly speaking, I'm smiling. Ta. You did tick the box? I use 6 upcoming and 3 recently played, just fills the playlist panel nicely, no scrolling. :) 34460 34461 +---+ |Filename: 6and3.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34461| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP v7.0.1 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi3B/pCP 7.0.1/pi screen/AlloBoss DAC HAT/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 6.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
RobbH wrote: > If you'll be patient with me just a moment, I'd like to mention one very > small point from a few pages back in this thread. It's probably not > significant, but it's possible that it's something you overlooked. > > You said: > > > (emphasis added) > > That's actually not the way it's supposed to work. Rather than using > your current Library View, Random Mix requires you to select the Library > View you want on the page defining the Random Mix: > > 34427 > > Maybe that's what you've been doing, but it's not clear from your > earlier comment. If not, try it this way and see if it helps. > > In any case, a truly random sequence is very likely to include some > surprising coincidences. Just as on very rare occasions, somebody does > flip a coin one hundred times and have it come up heads every time. RobbH, I'm a fan of patience, specially where your advice is concerned. I had not done these settings, mainly because I had no idea they were there. So, I did indeed set them, and (I'm loathe to say this, as I've suffered from early optimism before, but...) it does seem to be delivering a good result. Even with the caveats that I've read about in those interesting posts and links above on the psychology and engineering of so-called randomness, still I'm impressed. This does (careful now...) seem to have sorted it for me, for which many thanks. There is a but, though. The only thing not right is that I only get a playlist of ten songs. Plays ten "random" (maybe we ought to call them shuffled?) songs from my defined source, then stops. Does this have anything to do with the "Now Playing will show" bit, or is it another setting somewhere else I don't know about yet? I'd like it to just keep going till I tell it to stop. Anyway, randomly speaking, I'm smiling. Ta. whitman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9053 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
whitman wrote: > Robbh, it's Random Mix that's the culprit for me, as I'm avoiding the > potentially harmful 'oldness' of Dynamic Playlist, as discussed here. > But yes, with so-called Random Mix, same artists appearing all the time, > plenty of others neverpretty much as DCtoDaylight reports. > If you'll be patient with me just a moment, I'd like to mention one very small point from a few pages back in this thread. It's probably not significant, but it's possible that it's something you overlooked. You said: > I added Library Views to the menus on my SB3, and... er, then what? > *Made that the current view,* fiddled around a bit more, and *discovered > that this was now what would play from Random Mix*. And it works really > well! > (emphasis added) That's actually not the way it's supposed to work. Rather than using your current Library View, Random Mix requires you to select the Library View you want on the page defining the Random Mix: 34427 Maybe that's what you've been doing, but it's not clear from your earlier comment. If not, try it this way and see if it helps. In any case, a truly random sequence is very likely to include some surprising coincidences. Just as on very rare occasions, somebody does flip a coin one hundred times and have it come up heads every time. +---+ |Filename: library-view.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34427| +---+ LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114355 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
Excellent article! In the first part it describes much better what I tried to explain :-). It's funny that users actually would want "Random Play" to be less random, but more systematic, to make it fell... more random. Or, how a linked article in above article puts it: "Long story short, if you want shuffled music, you actually don’t want a random playback order. Instead, you want a good, uniformly distributed mix of all the tracks on your disk or flash." http://keyj.emphy.de/balanced-shuffle/ ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] How random is random?
As you say, random just doesn't feel random to listeners: https://engineering.atspotify.com/2014/02/28/how-to-shuffle-songs/ Excellent article! In the first part it describes much better what I tried to explain :-). It's funny that users actually would want "Random Play" to be less random, but more systematic, to make it fell... more random. (FWIW: we're using Fisher Yates, too). Now if somebody wanted to give their algorithm a try... a PR would be very welcome. ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
