Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 1/18/18 8:05 AM, Sam Whited wrote: > In that case I am retracting the compliance suites, we'll never get anything > useful out of these if people keep trying to stall and we can't ever move on > without trying to make them absolutely perfect and have every little thing > that every person

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 21:57, Sam Whited wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 15:42, Dave Cridland wrote: >> That does indeed seem to be the case. As I read it, the Council can >> move it from Proposed to either Draft or Rejected, and in both cases >> that requires a vote. > > My

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 15:42, Dave Cridland wrote: > That does indeed seem to be the case. As I read it, the Council can > move it from Proposed to either Draft or Rejected, and in both cases > that requires a vote. My apologies, this should have gone to rejected then; with my editor hat on

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 January 2018 at 20:43, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:05, Sam Whited wrote: >> In that case I am retracting the compliance suites > > As an interesting point of order, I’m not convinced that XEP-0001 allows the > Author to retract a

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:05, Sam Whited wrote: > In that case I am retracting the compliance suites As an interesting point of order, I’m not convinced that XEP-0001 allows the Author to retract a XEP once it has reached a state of Proposed, I think they’re only allowed to do

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:43, Sam Whited wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 09:39, Dave Cridland wrote: >> To suggest that a Council Member voting -1 is stalling is a very >> serious charge, and suggests that they are deliberately misusing the >> standards process to the

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 16:06, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 09:54:45 CET Sam Whited wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 02:28, Dave Cridland wrote: >>> 5) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/554 >> >> -1 >> >> Recommending that clients also have to

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2018 09:54:45 CET Sam Whited wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 02:28, Dave Cridland wrote: > > 5) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/554 > > -1 > > Recommending that clients also have to implement legacy technologies by > looking at an old version of the XEP feels poor to

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 January 2018 at 15:43, Sam Whited wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 09:39, Dave Cridland wrote: >> To suggest that a Council Member voting -1 is stalling is a very >> serious charge, and suggests that they are deliberately misusing the >> standards process to the

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

Catching up on reading this morning, votes enclosed: On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 02:28, Dave Cridland wrote: > 3) ProtoXEP - User Invitations +1 I have a few minor nits that I'll bring up later and the editors may want to remove some of the optional sections before merging, but it looks like a

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018, at 09:39, Dave Cridland wrote: > To suggest that a Council Member voting -1 is stalling is a very > serious charge, and suggests that they are deliberately misusing the > standards process to the detriment of their position. > > Therefore I would like to give you the

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 January 2018 at 15:05, Sam Whited wrote: > In that case I am retracting the compliance suites, we'll never get anything > useful out of these if people keep trying to stall and we can't ever move on > without trying to make them absolutely perfect and have every little

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

In that case I am retracting the compliance suites, we'll never get anything useful out of these if people keep trying to stall and we can't ever move on without trying to make them absolutely perfect and have every little thing that every person wants. If someone else wants to start working

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 13:21, Kevin Smith wrote: > > On 18 Jan 2018, at 11:05, Dave Cridland wrote: >> 7) XEP-0387, Advance to Draft Note this is without addressing Kev's outstanding feedback. Sam, Georg, Daniel +1

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 11:05, Dave Cridland wrote: > >>> 7) XEP-0387, Advance to Draft >>> >>> Note this is without addressing Kev's outstanding feedback. >>> >>> Sam, Georg, Daniel +1 >>> >>> Dave 0 (Specifically, felt it was pointless moving forward without >>> addressing or

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

Le jeudi 18 janvier 2018, 11:36:22 CET Daniel Gultsch a écrit : > 2018-01-18 11:07 GMT+01:00 Goffi : > > Hello everybody, > > > > Le jeudi 18 janvier 2018, 09:28:33 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : > > > 6) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/557 > > > > > > Council decided to vote in

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 January 2018 at 10:50, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 18 Jan 2018, at 08:28, Dave Cridland wrote: >> 1) Roll Call >> Kev sent apologies; his votes will be on list. > > Enclosed. > >> 3) ProtoXEP - User Invitations >> Daniel and Sam on-list, Georg and Dave

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 January 2018 at 10:07, Goffi wrote: > Hello everybody, > > Le jeudi 18 janvier 2018, 09:28:33 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : >> >> 6) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/557 >> >> Council decided to vote in the absence of further list discussion. >> >> All present in favour, Kev

Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

On 18 Jan 2018, at 08:28, Dave Cridland wrote: > 1) Roll Call > Kev sent apologies; his votes will be on list. Enclosed. > 3) ProtoXEP - User Invitations > Daniel and Sam on-list, Georg and Dave +1. > Kev on-list. Which is https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/user-invite.html I

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

2018-01-18 11:07 GMT+01:00 Goffi : > Hello everybody, > > Le jeudi 18 janvier 2018, 09:28:33 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : > > > > 6) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/557 > > > > Council decided to vote in the absence of further list discussion. > > > > All present in favour, Kev

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

Hello everybody, Le jeudi 18 janvier 2018, 09:28:33 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : > > 6) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/557 > > Council decided to vote in the absence of further list discussion. > > All present in favour, Kev to vote on list. Was this discussed on list? It starts to be a

[Standards] XMPP Council Minutes, 2018-01-17

1) Roll Call Kev sent apologies; his votes will be on list. 2) Agenda bashing. Dave apologised for not having not the agenda in advance. 3) ProtoXEP - User Invitations Daniel and Sam on-list, Georg and Dave +1. Kev on-list. 4) XEP-0286, Advance to Active All present +1. Kev on-list. 5)