Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Fix appearance of activity bundles (in Journal)

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
r+ On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After much ado, here is the resulting patch. - Eben On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [sugar] jumpy cursor problem and sugar issue

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks Carol, this instruction for disabling the corner sensitivity is extremely useful! I may use it in the custom build I roll out, some 3-4 months from now. We plan to work on this soon. The plan is to have a delay

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in fact there was a post within the last week claiming that it would be a bad idea to make sugar able to use unmodified linux software becouse that would mean that the educational software and activities being written for sugar

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say that the impression that I have received as an outsider is that the people working on Sugar have not at all been interested in compatibility with normal linux software. It's more accurate to say that while

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody who implemented Sugar in the early days clearly didn't understand the X11 networked graphics model -- or didn't mind breaking it for expediency -- but they only broke it in small ways, which are pretty easily

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll say that the impression that I have received as an outsider is that the people working on Sugar have not at all been interested in compatibility with normal linux software. It's more accurate to say that while

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +self.palette = SpeakerPalette(_('My Speakers'), model=model) +self.set_palette(self.palette) 'set_palette' is the setter for the 'palette' property, so the second line shouldn't be needed. +

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Walter Bender
I must have missed the post you refer to. It has never been the position of the core Sugar team--that I am aware of--to preclude the running of standard Linux apps. We even went so far as to hire a contractor to look at various ways to facilitate the running of standard X apps last

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 10:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: I must have missed the post you refer to. It has never been the position of the core Sugar team--that I am aware of--to preclude the running of standard Linux

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Jim Gettys
Note I understand that metacity can be configured to use a dbus/gconf version, rather than bringing in the dread CORBA/bonobo dependencies we've worked so hard to avoid. So don't let ldd mislead you that it isn't worth a try; it is. So Metacity is clearly one of the contenders. This wasn't an

[sugar] perceived sugar performance

2008-04-28 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
One thing I observe is that it takes considerable time from when I click on 'Shutdown' in the Main view, until the XO actually stops. Happened to see the Linux shutdown messages (Is there a way to ask for these instead of the don't do these screen?) and it seemed to several times attempt to do

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Jim Gettys
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 16:47 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone would like to go ahead and try replacing matchbox with metacity, would be great ;) And I'd be happy to help out whoever attempts it both on

Re: [sugar] perceived sugar performance

2008-04-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I observe is that it takes considerable time from when I click on 'Shutdown' in the Main view, until the XO actually stops. Thank you, I'd like to ask the people with actual machines to write to this list with

Re: [sugar] perceived sugar performance

2008-04-28 Thread Walter Bender
We should be careful as we make this analysis that we don't overly bias the discussion towards the perception of developers rather than the children and teachers. Perhaps Carla can chime in based on her experiences in NIgeria, India, Peru, and Mexico. -walter On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM,

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect we're using dbus in some places where we should just be using the normal ICCCM/EWMH conventions. Activities/applications can run fine without DBus right now. The main problem are a couple of non standard X

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that this work (should be) the same, no matter what window manager we end up using. Window managers have been pretty interchangeable throughout X's history. That's what the ICCCM/EWMH's documents are all about. If

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 22, Issue 98

2008-04-28 Thread ValS
Thanks for this wonderful program! Speaking as an XO user, I am requesting a feature that I imagine would benefit any users that have internet access. I would like to be able to use the Write function, and then send what I have written in an email as an attachment. That way, I can send it to

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-28 Thread Michael Stone
Can calls to self._mixer or self._master fail even when these attributes are not None? Also, what happens if an exception is thrown by, say, Device.__init__()? Thanks, Michael ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] fix #6753 Activities should be able to specify mime_types = */*

2008-04-28 Thread Michael Stone
What sort of activity can handle */*? Can you think of any nasty things that activities might be able to do by advertising suppport for '*/*'? Michael ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] Sugar\Windows won't ship

2008-04-28 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Incidentally, this whole topic of getting Sugar to play nicely with Linux was the *exact* topic of my talk at FISL this year. The slides can be downloaded from http://download.laptop.org/content/conf/20080417-fisl08/cscott/ ; I'm under impression that the actual video will be available at some

[sugar] [PATCH] Adjust system activities path

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
The new paths are: '@prefix@/share/sugar/activities:' \ '@prefix@/lib64/sugar/activities:' \ '@prefix@/lib/sugar/activities' This provides an home for arch specific activities. Also using activities for something sugar specific was a bad idea, so it's now sugar/activities. Marco

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Adjust system activities path

2008-04-28 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
And the actual patch... Marco On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The new paths are: '@prefix@/share/sugar/activities:' \ '@prefix@/lib64/sugar/activities:' \ '@prefix@/lib/sugar/activities' This provides an home for arch specific activities.

Re: [sugar] Sugar Digest, Vol 22, Issue 98

2008-04-28 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:26 -0700, ValS wrote: Thanks for this wonderful program! Speaking as an XO user, I am requesting a feature that I imagine would benefit any users that have internet access. I would like to be able to use the Write function, and then send what I have written in an

Re: [sugar] 15 computer science collegians looking for a project

2008-04-28 Thread Walter Bender
Any interest in the themes/topics Tomeu outlined in his email about Sugar performance? Lots of interesting things to explore that would be of real value to the project. -walter On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Patrick Jahenr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, We are a group of 15 collegians,

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] fix #6753 Activities should be able to specify mime_types = */*

2008-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 01:11:47PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: What sort of activity can handle */*? Distribute. The journal ;). Possibly others; I don't know. I'm not really the best person to justify #6753. Can you think of any nasty things that activities might be able to do by

Re: [sugar] perceived sugar performance

2008-04-28 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I'm neither a child nor a teacher, so this opinion is personal : What you want to avoid is having the user decide my intent has been ignored, when in fact it is something under the covers that is delaying the completion of his intent. The best way I can think of to avoid the user making a

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Add speaker device and icon by default

2008-04-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:26:21PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 01:08:04PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Can calls to self._mixer or self._master fail even when these attributes are not None? It doesn't appear a concern from the existing hardwaremanager.py code, and

[sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread Shikhar
J.M. Maurer wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:26 -0700, ValS wrote: Thanks for this wonderful program! Speaking as an XO user, I am requesting a feature that I imagine would benefit any users that have internet access. I would like to be able to use the Write function, and then send what

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] fix #6753 Activities should be able to specify mime_types = */*

2008-04-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:32:48PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 01:11:47PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: What sort of activity can handle */*? Distribute. The journal ;). Possibly others; I don't know. I'm not really the best person to justify #6753. Distribute is

Re: [sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 00:19 +0200, Shikhar wrote: J.M. Maurer wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 09:26 -0700, ValS wrote: Thanks for this wonderful program! Speaking as an XO user, I am requesting a feature that I imagine would benefit any users that have internet access. I would like

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] fix #6753 Activities should be able to specify mime_types = */*

2008-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 06:31:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Well, what would happen if people installed lots of activities supporting '*/*'? ... * Would our Palettes scroll, or scale, or run off screen, or ...? I think the UI is probably going to lag behind gracefully handling this case,

Re: [sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 04:39:23PM -0700, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: Do we really want to encourage HTML email? +1 to plain text email. It seems one relevant concern is security. Wikipedia's page is pretty good background reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_e-mail ...and one pro-HTML mail

Re: [sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread Shikhar
Martin Edmund Sevior wrote: Hi Shikar, You can immediately reuse the AbiWidget from libabiword for your rich text HTML editor. libabiword has a very capable export content to HTML feature. You can copy and paste the relevant parts from the Write program to have the same interface

Re: [sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Monday 28 April 2008, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 09:32:45AM +1000, Martin Edmund Sevior wrote: You can immediately reuse the AbiWidget from libabiword for your rich text HTML editor. libabiword has a very capable export content to HTML

Re: [sugar] xomail

2008-04-28 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua N Pritikin wrote: | On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 07:39:13PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: | On Monday 28 April 2008, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: | Do we really want to encourage HTML email? :-P | We should add the option, but i would prefer plaintext

Re: [sugar] jumpy cursor problem and sugar issue

2008-04-28 Thread Bryan Berry
hey guys, thanks to all who have replied to my issue w/ the jumpy cursor. I haven't been able to test out the responses I have gotten because I have been sick in bed for the last couple days. Will reply once I am coherent enough to read the e-mails. On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 11:39 +0200, Bernie