Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-04 Thread jmikeshaw
Ken, You wrote: I take it the motor is to keep the hole pointed toward the sun. It’s to keep the cylinder pointed in the direction that the sun would be if it kept standard time. I should have added that this device includes the longitude correction as well. I'm unclear though on what's drawn

Re: equation of time sundial-heliochronometre 2

2013-02-04 Thread Peter Mayer
Hi, You can also see a magnificent heliochronometre made by John Carmichael at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlcarmichael/3576166915/in/set-72157618973847752/ best wishes, Peter On 4/02/2013 3:13 PM, Ken Baldwin wrote: Thanks, everyone. I see now how an analemmic gnomon can be used

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-04 Thread jmikeshaw
Ken, I’ve found a couple of small photos of my rather crude device. I’ve posted then in Dropbox at : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tkxqw7x5mbr1axd/tYOlNAwT60 By coincidence, the 2nd photo shows the EoT is –7.5 minutes and sun’s declination is –7.5 degrees. I hope that makes things clearer. Of

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-04 Thread fer de vries
, Netherlands lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E - Original Message - From: jmikes...@ntlworld.com To: Ken Baldwin ; sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: equation of time sundial Ken, I’ve found a couple of small photos of my rather crude device

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Simon [illustratingshadows
A good question, however except for the solstices, there is ambiguity. Each declination has two dates. For example March and September equinoxes are 6 months apart, but same declination.    Simon Simon Wheaton-Smith www.illustratingshadows.com Phoenix, Arizona, W112.1 N33.5 --- On Sun, 2/3/13,

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Peter Mayer
Hi Ken, One of the most beautiful (IMHO) is the Schmoyer dial which incorporates the EOT in the gnomon. You can see a picture of the dial at: http://www.precisionsundials.com/schmoyer.htm best wishes, Peter On 4/02/2013 6:32 AM, Ken Baldwin wrote: Hello, I'm a new list member, and have

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Peter Mayer
Hi Ken, Here's another example of a dial which may interest you. This is my adaptation of a brilliant dial coded by Steve Lelievre. To fit the size limit on this list, I've had to squeeze the image greatly, but you should be able to grasp the principle of the dial: each month is a

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Ken Baldwin
Hi guys, Thanks for your responses. I'm not trying to read the EOT-adjusted time from the device, I want to read the actual EOT value itself for that date. For example, on Aug 9th, at any daylight hour, I'd like to be able to read, say, -5.5 min. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but do I get that

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread jmikeshaw
Ken, I think I made a device some time ago to do what you want . A cylinder was tilted to the appropriate latitude angle and direction. There was a small hole on one side of the cylinder which gave a projected a spot of light from the sun on the inner opposite surface where there was a graph

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Roger Bailey
Subject: Re: equation of time sundial Hi guys, Thanks for your responses. I'm not trying to read the EOT-adjusted time from the device, I want to read the actual EOT value itself for that date. For example, on Aug 9th, at any daylight hour, I'd like to be able to read, say, -5.5 min. Maybe

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Bill Gottesman
Hello All, I think Mike nailed it, as to what Ken is asking. I know of no sundial, other than Mike's here, that directly measures the Eot, rather than somehow incorporate the EoT calculated elsewhere. I did not think this was possible until I saw Mike's solution just now, because a sundial has

Re: equation of time sundial

2013-02-03 Thread Ken Baldwin
Thanks, everyone. I see now how an analemmic gnomon can be used to read the EOT, if the equatorial band shows both mean and apparent time and you do the subtraction in your head. I'm most interested, though, in something which allows a direct reading of EOT... Mike, your solution sounds very

Re: equation of time sundial-heliochronometre

2013-02-03 Thread Peter Mayer
Hi Ken, I think it would be straightforward to modify a heliochronometre to achieve the same result as Mike's solution. In addition to the usual figure-of-eight analemma, you'd add a centre line for local solar time. After adjusting the dial for local solar time and 'zeroing' the (new)