Re: Precise locations

[jmikeshaw]

Ian wrote:
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SatNav is similarly 2 dimensional.
I was travelling south towards Liverpool (UK) when my wife said she wanted to 
visit the Liverpool Costco store.
I wasn’t sure of its location, so I put the store postcode into the car SatNav, 
but it directed me into the Mersey Tunnel.
About 300 yards into the tunnel it said “You have now reached your destination”.
l later found that the store is situated directly above the tunnel.

My wife still thinks that I did it deliberately.

Mike Shaw
53º 21' N 3º02' W
w3w: firm:become:void

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Re: Precise locations

[Ian Maddocks]

Hi Michael

Yes in the western world the 3m resolution either allows for a bit of fun, or 
nice precision.  I have hovered over all of the squares covering my flat and 
picked the most memorable to tell visitors (it's in my living room), how ever 
if this system caught on i would definitely pick the w3w for the front door to 
our block to tell delivery folk (the sign that says "flats 1-9" is too small to 
be easy read from the road).   But yes the living room address location is the 
same for my upstairs and downstairs neighbours

Seasons greetings

Ian

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On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 10:12 PM +, "Michael Ossipoff" 
<email9648...@gmail.com<mailto:email9648...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ian--

Thanks for the explanation. That answers both of my questions.

Easier to remember, and less-likely for someone to mis-write one of the 
characters. I can see where there are applications where those qualities would 
be helpful.

A lot of houses & cottages already have names, and so wouldn't it be good for 
people to be able to request that the square containing their front-door have 
the name of their house, if that word-combination (or something too close to 
it) isn't already in use?

Thanks again.

Michael Ossipoff




On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Ian Maddocks 
<ian_maddo...@hotmail.com<mailto:ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Michael

From reading the web site, as I understand it, they have chosen the words from 
a big dictionary file.  The interesting points were that they deliberately 
choose smaller words for built up areas, going to larger words elsewhere on 
landmass and the biggest words out to sea.   This was to make the most likely 
to be used combinations shorter and more memorable.  They also filtered out all 
the rude words.   They have also taken the trouble to ensure that similar 
groups of words are no where near each other.  If you try hovering over the map 
and looking at each square the words from one square to the next are quite 
different. If you go to their map and type in two or two and a half words till 
the suggestions come up you will see that similar suggestions (maybe one ends 
in a plural) are nowhere near each other to make typos obvious.  Another 
feature is that different languages are not just translations of the base 
English, in case words are longer or more easily confused on the other 
languages.   I haven't seen what grid the system is based on ,though i presume 
standard 1984 Sat nav.

Why?  Will their main aim was to give accurate easy mapping to places without 
road names or post codes.  Even our post codes are only accurate to 100 m or so 
but the situation is worse in less developed places. If you live in an over 
crowded place you can still give an accurate address really easily.   If your 
delivery driver was using free open source map from Navmii (sp?) , formerly 
Open Street Map he should be able to find you to 3m. It's free mapping on your 
phone that understands w3w.   Also the web site 
streetmap.co<http://streetmap.co> uk does.
This is their target market.  They don't expect you to radio the coast guard 
with your coordinates in this format!

It's more accurate than a post code , and easy to remember compared to lat and 
long to the same accuracy.

Merry Christmas

Ian
Chester, UK

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From: Michael Ossipoff
Sent: 7:34PM, Monday, 26 December
Subject: Re: Precise locations
To: Ian Maddocks
Cc: Douglas Bateman, Sundial list

Two things that I ask someone to explain:

1. How does the 3-word position-designation work? Aside from the names of the 
positions, what is the co-ordinate system? Latitude & longitude? How are the 3 
words chosen for each of the 3 meter by 3-meter locations?

2. What's wrong with latitude & longitude?

...or, if preferred, some widely-used plane-coordinate system?

Michael Ossipoff

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ian Maddocks 
<ian_maddo...@hotmail.com<mailto:ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Doug

If you haven't been concentrating I added the W3W address to my signature a few 
months back.

Given the 3 m resolution you actually get a few choices of what address to pick 
for any given plot of land.   frog.happy.froze is actually more my living room 
than front door.   I wandered the cursor around till I found the most memorable 
three words

At the moment if you want to navigate by W3W the NavMii free mobile sat nav app 
(using OpenStreetMap data) understands the addresses.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL

in the descriptions says   "Local Place search (powered by TripAdvisor, 
Foursquare and What3Words)"

The other site that uses them is 
www.streetmap.co.uk<http://www.streetmap.co.uk>.For those of us dial 
recorders who want to have a location converted to multiple formats as easily 
as possible

Re: Precise locations

[Michael Ossipoff]

Ian--

Thanks for the explanation. That answers both of my questions.

Easier to remember, and less-likely for someone to mis-write one of the
characters. I can see where there are applications where those qualities
would be helpful.

A lot of houses & cottages already have names, and so wouldn't it be good
for people to be able to request that the square containing their
front-door have the name of their house, if that word-combination (or
something too close to it) isn't already in use?

Thanks again.

Michael Ossipoff




On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Ian Maddocks <ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael
>
> From reading the web site, as I understand it, they have chosen the words
> from a big dictionary file.  The interesting points were that they
> deliberately choose smaller words for built up areas, going to larger words
> elsewhere on landmass and the biggest words out to sea.   This was to make
> the most likely to be used combinations shorter and more memorable.  They
> also filtered out all the rude words.   They have also taken the trouble to
> ensure that similar groups of words are no where near each other.  If you
> try hovering over the map and looking at each square the words from one
> square to the next are quite different. If you go to their map and type in
> two or two and a half words till the suggestions come up you will see that
> similar suggestions (maybe one ends in a plural) are nowhere near each
> other to make typos obvious.  Another feature is that different languages
> are not just translations of the base English, in case words are longer or
> more easily confused on the other languages.   I haven't seen what grid the
> system is based on ,though i presume standard 1984 Sat nav.
>
> Why?  Will their main aim was to give accurate easy mapping to places
> without road names or post codes.  Even our post codes are only accurate to
> 100 m or so but the situation is worse in less developed places. If you
> live in an over crowded place you can still give an accurate address really
> easily.   If your delivery driver was using free open source map from
> Navmii (sp?) , formerly Open Street Map he should be able to find you to
> 3m. It's free mapping on your phone that understands w3w.   Also the web
> site streetmap.co uk does.
> This is their target market.  They don't expect you to radio the coast
> guard with your coordinates in this format!
>
> It's more accurate than a post code , and easy to remember compared to lat
> and long to the same accuracy.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Ian
> Chester, UK
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>
> From: Michael Ossipoff
> Sent: 7:34PM, Monday, 26 December
> Subject: Re: Precise locations
> To: Ian Maddocks
> Cc: Douglas Bateman, Sundial list
>
> Two things that I ask someone to explain:
>
> 1. How does the 3-word position-designation work? Aside from the names of
> the positions, what is the co-ordinate system? Latitude & longitude? How
> are the 3 words chosen for each of the 3 meter by 3-meter locations?
>
> 2. What's wrong with latitude & longitude?
>
> ...or, if preferred, some widely-used plane-coordinate system?
>
> Michael Ossipoff
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ian Maddocks <ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Doug
>
> If you haven't been concentrating I added the W3W address to my signature
> a few months back.
>
> Given the 3 m resolution you actually get a few choices of what address to
> pick for any given plot of land.   frog.happy.froze is actually more my
> living room than front door.   I wandered the cursor around till I found
> the most memorable three words
>
> At the moment if you want to navigate by W3W the NavMii free mobile sat
> nav app (using OpenStreetMap data) understands the addresses.
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL
>
> in the descriptions says   "*Local Place search (powered by TripAdvisor,
> Foursquare and What3Words)"*
>
> The other site that uses them is www.streetmap.co.uk.For those of us
> dial recorders who want to have a location converted to multiple formats as
> easily as possible the "Click here to convert coordinates" under the maps
> is invaluable, and includes the W3W reference on the last line   see
> http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=538955=177217 for example
>
> Ian
>
> Ian Maddocks
> Chester, UK
> 53°11'50"N  2°52'41"W
> frog.happy.froze
>
>
> *From:* sundial <sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de> on behalf of Douglas
> Bateman <douglas.bate...@btinternet.com>
> *Sent:* 16 October 2016 15:58
> *To:* Sundial list
> *Subject:* Re: Precise loca

Re: Precise locations

[Steve Lelievre]

I agree with Ian's comments but note that, just as for 
longitude/latitude, the system on its own does not constitute a delivery 
address.


Just a few days ago I received a delivery from a courier who complained 
bitterly that the he'd had to call at several doors before finding me. 
The sender provided a building number but had not included the 
appartment number (the building has separate but adjacent entrances for 
each apartment and there's no directory of residents).


Luckily for the courier, there are only 4 units in my block. There is a 
40 storey residential tower nearby with 300 or more apartments served by 
one main entrance. Because some surnames are relatively common, 
especially for predominant ethnicity of my neighbourhood, I'd guess that 
even knowing the receipient's name would not always be enough to 
identify the right appartment for sure.


As Ian stated, it is intended for places without road names or post codes.

Allowing mobile delivery points might complicate the system further. For 
the USA at least, there are mobile ZIP codes linked to military 
facilities, such as ships and encampments in war zones. Apparently there 
is even one civilian post office that is a converted tug boat. It pulls 
alongside moving cargo ships on Lake Erie, delivering and collecting mail.


Steve


On 2016-12-26 12:15 PM, Ian Maddocks wrote:
their main aim was to give accurate easy mapping to places without 
road names or post codes.  Even our post codes are only accurate to 
100 m or so but the situation is worse in less developed places. If 
you live in an over crowded place you can still give an accurate 
address really easily.   If your delivery driver was using free open 
source map from Navmii (sp?) , formerly Open Street Map he should be 
able to find you to 3m.


This is their target market.  They don't expect you to radio the coast 
guard with your coordinates in this format!


It's more accurate than a post code , and easy to remember compared to 
lat and long to the same accuracy.




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Re: Precise locations

[Ian Maddocks]

Hi Michael

From reading the web site, as I understand it, they have chosen the words from 
a big dictionary file.  The interesting points were that they deliberately 
choose smaller words for built up areas, going to larger words elsewhere on 
landmass and the biggest words out to sea.   This was to make the most likely 
to be used combinations shorter and more memorable.  They also filtered out all 
the rude words.   They have also taken the trouble to ensure that similar 
groups of words are no where near each other.  If you try hovering over the map 
and looking at each square the words from one square to the next are quite 
different. If you go to their map and type in two or two and a half words till 
the suggestions come up you will see that similar suggestions (maybe one ends 
in a plural) are nowhere near each other to make typos obvious.  Another 
feature is that different languages are not just translations of the base 
English, in case words are longer or more easily confused on the other 
languages.   I haven't seen what grid the system is based on ,though i presume 
standard 1984 Sat nav.

Why?  Will their main aim was to give accurate easy mapping to places without 
road names or post codes.  Even our post codes are only accurate to 100 m or so 
but the situation is worse in less developed places. If you live in an over 
crowded place you can still give an accurate address really easily.   If your 
delivery driver was using free open source map from Navmii (sp?) , formerly 
Open Street Map he should be able to find you to 3m. It's free mapping on your 
phone that understands w3w.   Also the web site streetmap.co uk does.
This is their target market.  They don't expect you to radio the coast guard 
with your coordinates in this format!

It's more accurate than a post code , and easy to remember compared to lat and 
long to the same accuracy.

Merry Christmas

Ian
Chester, UK

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From: Michael Ossipoff
Sent: 7:34PM, Monday, 26 December
Subject: Re: Precise locations
To: Ian Maddocks
Cc: Douglas Bateman, Sundial list

Two things that I ask someone to explain:

1. How does the 3-word position-designation work? Aside from the names of the 
positions, what is the co-ordinate system? Latitude & longitude? How are the 3 
words chosen for each of the 3 meter by 3-meter locations?

2. What's wrong with latitude & longitude?

...or, if preferred, some widely-used plane-coordinate system?

Michael Ossipoff

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ian Maddocks 
<ian_maddo...@hotmail.com<mailto:ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Doug

If you haven't been concentrating I added the W3W address to my signature a few 
months back.

Given the 3 m resolution you actually get a few choices of what address to pick 
for any given plot of land.   frog.happy.froze is actually more my living room 
than front door.   I wandered the cursor around till I found the most memorable 
three words

At the moment if you want to navigate by W3W the NavMii free mobile sat nav app 
(using OpenStreetMap data) understands the addresses.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL

in the descriptions says   "Local Place search (powered by TripAdvisor, 
Foursquare and What3Words)"

The other site that uses them is 
www.streetmap.co.uk<http://www.streetmap.co.uk>.For those of us dial 
recorders who want to have a location converted to multiple formats as easily 
as possible the "Click here to convert coordinates" under the maps is 
invaluable, and includes the W3W reference on the last line   see 
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=538955=177217 for example

Ian

Ian Maddocks
Chester, UK
53°11'50"N  2°52'41"W
frog.happy.froze



From: sundial 
<sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de<mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de>> on behalf 
of Douglas Bateman 
<douglas.bate...@btinternet.com<mailto:douglas.bate...@btinternet.com>>
Sent: 16 October 2016 15:58
To: Sundial list
Subject: Re: Precise locations



I have been told of another method called what3words.com<http://what3words.com>

Designed in 2013 and developed since then, it uses a grid of the world made up 
of 57 trillion squares of 3 metres by 3 metres. Each square has been given a 
3-word address. what3words has named the 17 trillion squares on land with 3 
words in 10 other languages in addition to English. Of potential value to less 
developed countries.  My contact says:  "A very good idea I think as it is 
easier than numbers and covers the whole globe (dependent of course on the w3w 
database continuing to exist, which let's hope it does) to give e.g. addresses 
in African shanty towns or remote villages in India as well as where there are 
postcodes."

An intriguing system, based on the fact that three words, however unrelated, 
are rather more memorable than a latitude/longitude. Typing Greenwich 
Ob

Re: Precise locations

[Michael Ossipoff]

Two things that I ask someone to explain:

1. How does the 3-word position-designation work? Aside from the names of
the positions, what is the co-ordinate system? Latitude & longitude? How
are the 3 words chosen for each of the 3 meter by 3-meter locations?

2. What's wrong with latitude & longitude?

...or, if preferred, some widely-used plane-coordinate system?

Michael Ossipoff

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Ian Maddocks <ian_maddo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Doug
>
> If you haven't been concentrating I added the W3W address to my signature
> a few months back.
> Given the 3 m resolution you actually get a few choices of what address to
> pick for any given plot of land.   frog.happy.froze is actually more my
> living room than front door.   I wandered the cursor around till I found
> the most memorable three words
>
> At the moment if you want to navigate by W3W the NavMii free mobile sat
> nav app (using OpenStreetMap data) understands the addresses.
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL
> in the descriptions says   "*Local Place search (powered by TripAdvisor,
> Foursquare and What3Words)"*
>
> The other site that uses them is www.streetmap.co.uk.For those of us
> dial recorders who want to have a location converted to multiple formats as
> easily as possible the "Click here to convert coordinates" under the maps
> is invaluable, and includes the W3W reference on the last line   see
> http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=538955=177217 for example
>
> Ian
>
> Ian Maddocks
> Chester, UK
> 53°11'50"N  2°52'41"W
> frog.happy.froze
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* sundial <sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de> on behalf of Douglas
> Bateman <douglas.bate...@btinternet.com>
> *Sent:* 16 October 2016 15:58
> *To:* Sundial list
> *Subject:* Re: Precise locations
>
> I have been told of another method called what3words.com
>
> Designed in 2013 and developed since then, it uses a grid of the world
> made up of 57 trillion squares of 3 metres by 3 metres. Each square has
> been given a 3-word address. what3words has named the 17 trillion squares
> on land with 3 words in 10 other languages in addition to English. Of
> potential value to less developed countries.  My contact says:  "A very
> good idea I think as it is easier than numbers and covers the whole globe
> (dependent of course on the w3w database continuing to exist, which let's
> hope it does) to give e.g. addresses in African shanty towns or remote
> villages in India as well as where there are postcodes."
>
> An intriguing system, based on the fact that three words, however
> unrelated, are rather more memorable than a latitude/longitude. Typing
> Greenwich Observatory comes up with oval.blast.improving. My house has a
> similar unique set of words.
>
> Well worth a look.
>
> Doug
>
> On 16 Oct 2016, at 11:39, Martina Addiscott <martina.addisc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> In message <d339e370-5a25-4d9e-8d99-637604f93...@btinternet.com>
>  Douglas Bateman <douglas.bate...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Sundiallers like to give precise locations for dials, but (a little
> off-list) I have a bottle of Campo Viejo Rioja 2014 wine in front of me
> which gives at the top of the label N 42º 28’ 48† W 02º 29’ 08†.
> Although in a small font it is clearly printed above the brand name.
>
> Google Earth shows a large vineyard, and indeed the brand, at this
> location.
>
> This is a new one on me, and I wonder how many products are giving their
> source location in geographical coordinates.
>
> Open for discussion!
>
> Doug
> ---
> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
>
>
>
> As far as physical 'products' are concerned, these days they would
> probably have a "QRcode" - you know, one of those small square blocks
> which just seem to contain a 'jumble' of black and white pixels.
>
> Those are mainly used to direct people straight to a website, but
> they can contain a lot more information (if you needed to do so).
>
>
> If you want to include an actual geographical location, then one of
> the best ways is to use a "NAC code" - which stands for 'Natural Area
> Coding' also known as Universal Map Coding, or a Universal Address).
>
> It is usually included as a 'meta', within any website design coding.
>
>
> For sundial-related subjects, the only people I know that use these
> methods are "Modern Sunclocks" - and (if anyone is interested), I
> have 'attached' the QRcode they use to drive people to their website.

Re: Precise locations

[Fabio]

The QR code is a very efficient and spedly way to get info or to reach a 
website.
Really you can encode any string, like info, coordinates or link to a website. 
If you wish to encode something in a QR code there are a lot of sites to get 
it, recently I used: goqr.me

On Sundial Atlas every sundial has a QR code so that you can directly get the 
card of the sundial with the coordinates and other info.
The link and the QR code which contains it, are automatically published inside 
the card of every sundial.
Some cities in Italy are planning to add this QR code near the sundial so that 
one can get more info about it.

Another QR code, attached, allows to reach the Android shop where to freely 
download the App Sundial Atlas Mobile (SAM).
This app, created by Gian Casalegno, allows to get the satellite map centered 
on your position with the pushpins of the sundials around you. With a simple 
touch on the pushpin you can get a little photo and the coordinates of the 
sundial.
Some cities publish the QR code of a ‘path’, the collection of the sundials of 
the city, so that one can reach them with the navigator of SAM, simply having 
framed the QR code on a flyer.

ciao Fabio

PS From few days the colour of the pushpins may be different from yellow: the 
app uses grey for the disappeared ones, purple for the fake ones, and red for 
the sundial with a precision of localitazion greater than 50 m, about 150 feet 
(thanking those who want to participate in the project and correct the location 
with more precision, to the benefit of all users).

Fabio Savian
fabio.sav...@nonvedolora.it
www.nonvedolora.eu
Paderno Dugnano, Milano, Italy
45° 34' 9'' N, 9° 9' 54'' E, GMT +1 (DST +2)

From: Martina Addiscott 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Sundial list 
Subject: Re: Precise locations

In message <d339e370-5a25-4d9e-8d99-637604f93...@btinternet.com>
  Douglas Bateman <douglas.bate...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Sundiallers like to give precise locations for dials, but (a little off-list) 
> I have a bottle of Campo Viejo Rioja 2014 wine in front of me which gives at 
> the top of the label N 42º 28’ 48”  W 02º 29’ 08”. Although in a 
> small font it is clearly printed above the brand name.
> 
> Google Earth shows a large vineyard, and indeed the brand, at this location.
> 
> This is a new one on me, and I wonder how many products are giving their 
> source location in geographical coordinates.
> 
> Open for discussion!
> 
> Doug
> ---
> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
> 


As far as physical 'products' are concerned, these days they would
probably have a "QRcode" - you know, one of those small square blocks
which just seem to contain a 'jumble' of black and white pixels.

Those are mainly used to direct people straight to a website, but
they can contain a lot more information (if you needed to do so).


If you want to include an actual geographical location, then one of
the best ways is to use a "NAC code" - which stands for 'Natural Area
Coding' also known as Universal Map Coding, or a Universal Address).

It is usually included as a 'meta', within any website design coding.


For sundial-related subjects, the only people I know that use these
methods are "Modern Sunclocks" - and (if anyone is interested), I
have 'attached' the QRcode they use to drive people to their website.

Within the 'meta' code of that website they also display a NAC code,
so that any people can find-out their exact Latitude and Longitude.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott



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Re: Precise locations

[Ian Maddocks]

Hi Doug

If you haven't been concentrating I added the W3W address to my signature a few 
months back.
Given the 3 m resolution you actually get a few choices of what address to pick 
for any given plot of land.   frog.happy.froze is actually more my living room 
than front door.   I wandered the cursor around till I found the most memorable 
three words

At the moment if you want to navigate by W3W the NavMii free mobile sat nav app 
(using OpenStreetMap data) understands the addresses.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.navfree.android.OSM.ALL
in the descriptions says   "Local Place search (powered by TripAdvisor, 
Foursquare and What3Words)"

The other site that uses them is www.streetmap.co.uk.For those of us dial 
recorders who want to have a location converted to multiple formats as easily 
as possible the "Click here to convert coordinates" under the maps is 
invaluable, and includes the W3W reference on the last line   see 
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idgc.srf?x=538955=177217 for example

Ian

Ian Maddocks
Chester, UK
53°11'50"N  2°52'41"W
frog.happy.froze




From: sundial <sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de> on behalf of Douglas Bateman 
<douglas.bate...@btinternet.com>
Sent: 16 October 2016 15:58
To: Sundial list
Subject: Re: Precise locations

I have been told of another method called what3words.com<http://what3words.com>

Designed in 2013 and developed since then, it uses a grid of the world made up 
of 57 trillion squares of 3 metres by 3 metres. Each square has been given a 
3-word address. what3words has named the 17 trillion squares on land with 3 
words in 10 other languages in addition to English. Of potential value to less 
developed countries.  My contact says:  "A very good idea I think as it is 
easier than numbers and covers the whole globe (dependent of course on the w3w 
database continuing to exist, which let's hope it does) to give e.g. addresses 
in African shanty towns or remote villages in India as well as where there are 
postcodes."

An intriguing system, based on the fact that three words, however unrelated, 
are rather more memorable than a latitude/longitude. Typing Greenwich 
Observatory comes up with oval.blast.improving. My house has a similar unique 
set of words.

Well worth a look.

Doug

On 16 Oct 2016, at 11:39, Martina Addiscott 
<martina.addisc...@gmail.com<mailto:martina.addisc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In message 
<d339e370-5a25-4d9e-8d99-637604f93...@btinternet.com<mailto:d339e370-5a25-4d9e-8d99-637604f93...@btinternet.com>>
 Douglas Bateman 
<douglas.bate...@btinternet.com<mailto:douglas.bate...@btinternet.com>> wrote:

Sundiallers like to give precise locations for dials, but (a little off-list) I 
have a bottle of Campo Viejo Rioja 2014 wine in front of me which gives at the 
top of the label N 42º 28âEUR(tm) 48âEUR  W 02º 29âEUR(tm) 08âEUR. Although 
in a small font it is clearly printed above the brand name.

Google Earth shows a large vineyard, and indeed the brand, at this location.

This is a new one on me, and I wonder how many products are giving their source 
location in geographical coordinates.

Open for discussion!

Doug
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As far as physical 'products' are concerned, these days they would
probably have a "QRcode" - you know, one of those small square blocks
which just seem to contain a 'jumble' of black and white pixels.

Those are mainly used to direct people straight to a website, but
they can contain a lot more information (if you needed to do so).


If you want to include an actual geographical location, then one of
the best ways is to use a "NAC code" - which stands for 'Natural Area
Coding' also known as Universal Map Coding, or a Universal Address).

It is usually included as a 'meta', within any website design coding.


For sundial-related subjects, the only people I know that use these
methods are "Modern Sunclocks" - and (if anyone is interested), I
have 'attached' the QRcode they use to drive people to their website.

Within the 'meta' code of that website they also display a NAC code,
so that any people can find-out their exact Latitude and Longitude.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott



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Re: Precise locations

[Richard Mallett]

On 16/10/2016 16:58, Douglas Bateman wrote:
I have been told of another method called what3words.com 



Designed in 2013 and developed since then, it uses a grid of the world 
made up of 57 trillion squares of 3 metres by 3 metres. Each square 
has been given a 3-word address. what3words has named the 17 trillion 
squares on land with 3 words in 10 other languages in addition to 
English. Of potential value to less developed countries.  My contact 
says:  "A very good idea I think as it is easier than numbers and 
covers the whole globe (dependent of course on the w3w database 
continuing to exist, which let's hope it does) to give e.g. addresses 
in African shanty towns or remote villages in India as well as where 
there are postcodes."


An intriguing system, based on the fact that three words, however 
unrelated, are rather more memorable than a latitude/longitude. Typing 
Greenwich Observatory comes up with oval.blast.improving. My house has 
a similar unique set of words.


Well worth a look.

Doug


I'm at obscuring.words.serious.



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Re: Precise locations

[Douglas Bateman]

I have been told of another method called what3words.com 


Designed in 2013 and developed since then, it uses a grid of the world made up 
of 57 trillion squares of 3 metres by 3 metres. Each square has been given a 
3-word address. what3words has named the 17 trillion squares on land with 3 
words in 10 other languages in addition to English. Of potential value to less 
developed countries.  My contact says:  "A very good idea I think as it is 
easier than numbers and covers the whole globe (dependent of course on the w3w 
database continuing to exist, which let's hope it does) to give e.g. addresses 
in African shanty towns or remote villages in India as well as where there are 
postcodes."

An intriguing system, based on the fact that three words, however unrelated, 
are rather more memorable than a latitude/longitude. Typing Greenwich 
Observatory comes up with oval.blast.improving. My house has a similar unique 
set of words.

Well worth a look.

Doug

> On 16 Oct 2016, at 11:39, Martina Addiscott  
> wrote:
> 
> In message 
>  Douglas Bateman  wrote:
> 
>> Sundiallers like to give precise locations for dials, but (a little 
>> off-list) I have a bottle of Campo Viejo Rioja 2014 wine in front of me 
>> which gives at the top of the label N 42º 28’ 48”  W 02º 29’ 08”. 
>> Although in a small font it is clearly printed above the brand name.
>> 
>> Google Earth shows a large vineyard, and indeed the brand, at this location.
>> 
>> This is a new one on me, and I wonder how many products are giving their 
>> source location in geographical coordinates.
>> 
>> Open for discussion!
>> 
>> Doug
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> 
> 
> As far as physical 'products' are concerned, these days they would
> probably have a "QRcode" - you know, one of those small square blocks
> which just seem to contain a 'jumble' of black and white pixels.
> 
> Those are mainly used to direct people straight to a website, but
> they can contain a lot more information (if you needed to do so).
> 
> 
> If you want to include an actual geographical location, then one of
> the best ways is to use a "NAC code" - which stands for 'Natural Area
> Coding' also known as Universal Map Coding, or a Universal Address).
> 
> It is usually included as a 'meta', within any website design coding.
> 
> 
> For sundial-related subjects, the only people I know that use these
> methods are "Modern Sunclocks" - and (if anyone is interested), I
> have 'attached' the QRcode they use to drive people to their website.
> 
> Within the 'meta' code of that website they also display a NAC code,
> so that any people can find-out their exact Latitude and Longitude.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martina Addiscott
> 
> 
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Re: Precise locations

[Martina Addiscott]

In message 
  Douglas Bateman  wrote:

> Sundiallers like to give precise locations for dials, but (a little off-list) 
> I have a bottle of Campo Viejo Rioja 2014 wine in front of me which gives at 
> the top of the label N 42º 28’ 48”  W 02º 29’ 08”. Although in a 
> small font it is clearly printed above the brand name.
> 
> Google Earth shows a large vineyard, and indeed the brand, at this location.
> 
> This is a new one on me, and I wonder how many products are giving their 
> source location in geographical coordinates.
> 
> Open for discussion!
> 
> Doug
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> 


As far as physical 'products' are concerned, these days they would
probably have a "QRcode" - you know, one of those small square blocks
which just seem to contain a 'jumble' of black and white pixels.

Those are mainly used to direct people straight to a website, but
they can contain a lot more information (if you needed to do so).


If you want to include an actual geographical location, then one of
the best ways is to use a "NAC code" - which stands for 'Natural Area
Coding' also known as Universal Map Coding, or a Universal Address).

It is usually included as a 'meta', within any website design coding.


For sundial-related subjects, the only people I know that use these
methods are "Modern Sunclocks" - and (if anyone is interested), I
have 'attached' the QRcode they use to drive people to their website.

Within the 'meta' code of that website they also display a NAC code,
so that any people can find-out their exact Latitude and Longitude.


Sincerely,

Martina Addiscott



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