Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel
WLS wrote: Daniel wrote: WLS wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world: Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle that often, and

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread WLS
Daniel wrote: WLS wrote: Daniel wrote: WLS wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world: Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Daniel
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: WLS wrote: Daniel wrote: WLS wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: WLS wrote: Ray_Net wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world: Some commercial users have complained that they can't

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
Daniel wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Do you have WebGL disabled in about:config? Really even if its enabled in about:config, it could be disabled on your system. webgl.disabled ... default.false (is disabled and false a double negative??) Yes it is a double negative, if

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Ed Mullen
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: [This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find out himself.] AFAICS it's 2.5 (current trunk) that will have seven levels in the plus direction and 4 in the

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb: Unfortunately, from a user perspective, major change is rarely welcome, whilst increased security and incremental bug fixes are universally appreciated. Right, that's why the major change the web brought to computers was never

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Jens Hatlak
Robert Kaiser wrote: Jens Hatlak schrieb: IOW, for things like Add-ons Manager and Data Manager (called from different places!), corresponding bugs need to be filed if not already present. No bug, no change. One is enough, it's the switchToTabHavingURI() function that is to blame and used by

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Robert Kaiser wrote: PhillipJones schrieb: The original post meant SeaMonkey. It didn't. FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever. SM increments their major updates by .1's 2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on. That is just a different numbering system, the rate and size of updates is very similar.

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: 99 cent price point for i-apps which augment SM on the iOS platform - cha-ching! If they still want to give the suite away for free, they can still do that. But i-apps and complementary add-ons? Sell away - biz model 2.0! Note that this is not done by the SM team and no money

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit more of those than Firefox recently. Still, the

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread W3BNR
On 8/8/2011 12:27 PM Robert Kaiser submitted the following: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Ed Mullen schrieb: What is unacceptable is that the user can no longer set his/her own values for toolkit.zoomManager.zoomValues. 1) SeaMonkey never allowed to set custom values for the list of available zoom levels before, that was a Firefox-only feature until recently. 2) Newer SeaMonkey

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread sean nathan bean
Pat Connors sent me the following:: Okay, I just got home after a week away and see there is another new version of SM. I am still on 2.0.14 and didn't update to 2.2 because of all the complaints. Now we have 2.3 and more complaints. I really don't know what to do. I like the version I am using.

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting those old releases means that the new release does not receive as much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the every-six-weeks Mozilla release schedule, delaying release is not an

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
WLS wrote: The Mozilla Foundation is leading the development of a better Internet. http://www.mozilla.org/about/mission.html http://www.mozilla.org/about/manifesto By its' own claims and pronouncements! Just because you don't like it, don't spread misinformation.

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:29:22 -0400, /Paul B. Gallagher/: As our parents used to ask, If everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you do it, too? Just because the FF people decided to rush things and churn out a series of half-baked products for

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread WLS
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting those old releases means that the new release does not receive as much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the every-six-weeks Mozilla release schedule,

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WLS wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I'm only saying what I've read here from authoritative sources; the only addition is my judgment half-baked, which reflects many of the opinions voiced here. If you don't like it, speak to the merits of the argument. You need not

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: MCBastos wrote: But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting those old releases means that the new release does not receive as much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the every-six-weeks Mozilla release schedule,

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 21:29, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: MCBastos wrote: But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting those old releases means that the new release does not receive as much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the

Address Book

2011-08-08 Thread W3BNR
Just noticed that after creating and saving a list, I cannot remove the first entry and save the list. I can however add a new address or one that already exists in the list to the blank line at the top and then save. I don't see any bug report on this. Also is there any means to sort the

Re: How can i see the buttons Etape précédente and Etape suivante in a tutorial site

2011-08-08 Thread Ray_Net
Copied from mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey to mozilla.support.seamonkey Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov
Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:27:03 -0400, /Rostyslaw Lewyckyj/: MCBastos wrote: First of all, I reject the premise that FF would be churning half-baked products. This is simply not true. In fact, it has been argued that the new rapid-release schedule IMPROVES quality, since each release goes through

Re: How can i see the buttons Etape précédente and Etape suivante in a tutorial site

2011-08-08 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov
Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:31:11 +0200, /Ray_Net/: Copied from mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey to mozilla.support.seamonkey Alright, Ray. Did you see the other replies in the thread? The description of the problem in your original post was incomplete, in my opinion, but then I've already verified I

Re: Can't add a second email account

2011-08-08 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov
Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:29:10 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/: On the other hand, I now see in the Known Issues http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.2/#issues: * After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews account wizard may be broken (the account type

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Jens Hatlak
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: And how about repairing in 2.2 bugs discovered after release in 2.1? And in 2.3 repairing bugs from 2.1 and/or 2.2? (There have, I admit, promises to repair in 2.4 or later, some problems introduced in 2.1 :-) ) I'm sure you're capable of reading, no? How about

Data Manager Instruction Document

2011-08-08 Thread Stan
Is there a document somewhere that explains the Data Manager usage? Stan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

News Group Questions

2011-08-08 Thread nr
A couple of quick questions which would make my using the Newsgroups (version 2.2) reader so much easier: 1. Is there any way to change the order of the groups within the server? 2. Is there any way to display ALL the messages in the thread similar to how Google Groups shows them? I think both

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread NoOp
On 08/07/2011 09:44 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: NoOp wrote: ... Same as Daniel. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110731 Firefox/6.0 SeaMonkey/2.3 From about:support Graphics Adapter DescriptionNVIDIA Corporation -- Quadro4 900

Re: Address Book

2011-08-08 Thread W3BNR
On 8/8/2011 5:04 PM Jens Hatlak submitted the following: W3BNR wrote: Just noticed that after creating and saving a list, I cannot remove the first entry and save the list. I can however add a new address or one that already exists in the list to the blank line at the top and then save. I don't

Re: News Group Questions

2011-08-08 Thread WLS
nr wrote: A couple of quick questions which would make my using the Newsgroups (version 2.2) reader so much easier: 1. Is there any way to change the order of the groups within the server? I don't know about within the server, but I just drag and drop the newsgroup to change the order in the

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: What's relevant is not their naming but their frequency and buggines! Right, and SeaMonkey matches Firefox both in frequency as well as mostly in how few bugs it has, though SeaMonkey tends to have a bit more of those than Firefox recently.

Re: News Group Questions

2011-08-08 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 08/08/2011 19:46, nr told the world: 1. Is there any way to change the order of the groups within the server? There is one I found by chance. Apparently, Seamonkey lists the groups in the order you subscribed them. So, if you unsubscribe from a group and re-subscribe, it

Re: News Group Questions

2011-08-08 Thread David E. Ross
On 8/8/11 3:46 PM, nr wrote: A couple of quick questions which would make my using the Newsgroups (version 2.2) reader so much easier: 1. Is there any way to change the order of the groups within the server? 2. Is there any way to display ALL the messages in the thread similar to how

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: So how many weeks of pure debugging and actual test suite testing did SM 2.1 receive (in addition to testing by the FF and TB team testing? Too little automated testing, we need more tests to be written and are happy about people doing those, feel free to

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: You must've expected when you made the decision, or at least you know now, that lots of users are unhappy with versions 2.1 and 2.2 and have been complaining about bugs, broken and lost features, etc. Note that 1) the 2.1 release was not part of the fast release

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
NoOp schrieb: The driver is the latest for that card. Blame nVidia for being customer-unfriendly and stopping to support your card in newer drivers. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
NoOp schrieb: Thanks. I suspect that is the issue (linux). Same problem on a 2 year old laptop w/Intel Mobile GM45... I'll run out and buy a new laptop tomorrow so I can experience all the wonders of WebGL :-) As I said in my post, under Linux the card may not the problem, Mozilla's support

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj schrieb: And how soon the bugs are eliminated :-) Right now bugs, misfeatures, introduced in SM 2.1 are projected to be possibly corrected in 2.5. Them's the new development rules. True, we are fixing bugs all the time and releasing every six week to deliver the fixes to

[OT WebGL + older hardware[ Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread NoOp
On 08/08/2011 06:48 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: The driver is the latest for that card. Blame nVidia for being customer-unfriendly and stopping to support your card in newer drivers. Robert Kaiser I do. Examples:

Re: new 2.3 - Firefox updates too often

2011-08-08 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: 99 cent price point for i-apps which augment SM on the iOS platform - cha-ching! If they still want to give the suite away for free, they can still do that. But i-apps and complementary add-ons? Sell away - biz model 2.0! Note that this is not done by the

Re: new 2.3

2011-08-08 Thread NoOp
On 08/08/2011 06:54 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp schrieb: Thanks. I suspect that is the issue (linux). Same problem on a 2 year old laptop w/Intel Mobile GM45... I'll run out and buy a new laptop tomorrow so I can experience all the wonders of WebGL :-) As I said in my post, under Linux