Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-10 Thread Ant
... (This being cross-posted reminds me I still waiting on the Mark Cross-posts as Read bugzilla to be fixed, Bug 43278. Worked in NC up till about 4.7 but then not.) I don't recall cross-posts ever being marked as read, but I may not have been using NC back in 2000. That would be nice to

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-10 Thread A Williams
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Edmund Wong wrote: I've been dedicating most of my time working on getting builds on Win32 running. I know it isn't much and there are a lot of other stuff I was hoping to do (particularly Sync). I do apologize for the lack of updates; but, as it is, we're really down

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-10 Thread NFN Smith
A Williams wrote: I think most - but not all - Seamonkey users have no problems with the features coming a bit later, as long as the security holes are fixed. Let the Firefox/Thunderbird users beta-test new features for us. The problem is that it is difficult to have one without the other. The

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread Philip Chee
On 08/07/2015 14:42, Marisa Ciceran wrote: I just had a quick look at the URL you gave and it refers to an upcoming Seamonkey version 2.35 that is based on Firefox 38. In yesterday's emails also came the newsletter from US-CERT which states: Original release date: July 07, 2015 Mozilla

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread »Q«
In news:mailman.1932.1436376898.14172.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread Daniel
On 8/07/2015 11:37 PM, WaltS48 wrote: On 07/08/2015 09:01 AM, Daniel wrote: On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread Mason83
On 08/07/2015 05:05, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Maybe the time has come to reconsider how often SeaMonkey needs to be updated. Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be greater than

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread Danny Kile
Mason83 wrote: On 08/07/2015 05:05, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Maybe the time has come to reconsider how often SeaMonkey needs to be updated. Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-09 Thread John Duncan
Danny Kile wrote: Mason83 wrote: On 08/07/2015 05:05, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Maybe the time has come to reconsider how often SeaMonkey needs to be updated. Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Danny Kile
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Edmund Wong wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Daniel
On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be greater

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Ed Mullen
Edmund Wong wrote on 7/7/2015 8:32 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread WaltS48
On 07/08/2015 09:01 AM, Daniel wrote: On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Ed Mullen
Rainer Bielefeld wrote on 7/8/2015 2:22 AM: Hi Ed, you find some thoughts here https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2015/07/08/how-dead-is-seamoneky/ Best regards Rainer Bielefeld Thanks, Rainer. Good to know. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Can you buy anything specific at a general

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Ed Mullen
Philip Chee wrote on 7/8/2015 2:35 AM: On 07/07/2015 14:43, Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM.

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be greater

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread NFN Smith
Danny Kile wrote: I would agree! Why does everyone think that a new version should come out every month or two? Overall, I'm quite content with less frequent updates. However, knowing that Seamonkey follows development of Gecko, Firefox and Thunderbird, and that those are on a 6-week

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Jonathan N. Little
Ray_Net wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 08/07/2015 01:08: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread John Duncan
Ray_Net wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 08/07/2015 01:08: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Michael Ströder
Miles Fidelman wrote: For what it's worth - I HATE rapid update cycles. Well, I also hate that there are so many security issues causing rapid update cycles. But at the end I appreciate if those security issues get fixed quickly. Wherever I can, I run 2-4 years behind the current release

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Philip Chee
On 07/07/2015 14:43, Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hi Ed, you find some thoughts here https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2015/07/08/how-dead-is-seamoneky/ Best regards Rainer Bielefeld ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Marisa Ciceran
I just had a quick look at the URL you gave and it refers to an upcoming Seamonkey version 2.35 that is based on Firefox 38. In yesterday's emails also came the newsletter from US-CERT which states: Original release date: July 07, 2015 Mozilla has released security updates to address

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul in Houston, TX
Ray_Net wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 08/07/2015 01:08: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread John Duncan
Edmund Wong wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been with it

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Jonathan N. Little wrote: Ray_Net wrote: How can I change my UA string from: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/35.0 SeaMonkey/2.32 to: Mozilla/9.0 (Windows NT 10.1; rv:99.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/99.0 ? You can either install an extension, there are several or in

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread John Duncan
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Jonathan N. Little wrote: Ray_Net wrote: How can I change my UA string from: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/35.0 SeaMonkey/2.32 to: Mozilla/9.0 (Windows NT 10.1; rv:99.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/99.0 ? You can either install an

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
John Duncan wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I'm curious -- I was browsing around looking at keys containing the string useragent and came to one named general.useragent.site_specific_overrides Does that mean there's a way to lie to specific dysfunctional sites while retaining the normal

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Chris Ilias
On 2015-07-08 1:34 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 8/07/2015 1:54 PM, »Q« wrote: Since the last SeaMonkey release, there have been over 40 MFSAs, many of them critical. IMO (and it's only that) if SM decided out of policy *not* to issue security updates in a timely manner, that would mark the

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Ray_Net
Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 08/07/2015 01:08: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. (snip)

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-08 Thread Ray_Net
Jonathan N. Little wrote on 08/07/2015 23:32: Ray_Net wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 08/07/2015 01:08: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing

How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Ed Mullen
I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been with it since Netscape back in, about, 1995.

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread John Duncan
Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote: On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:07:19 +0200, Ray_Net tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be wrote: Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote on 07/07/2015 15:48: On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 02:43:58 -0400, Ed Mullen ejemo...@edmullen.net wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams
Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. (snip) Thoughts? Why bother

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Edmund Wong
Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been with it since Netscape back in,

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Danny Kile
Ray_Net wrote: Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote on 07/07/2015 15:48: On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 02:43:58 -0400, Ed Mullen ejemo...@edmullen.net wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Paul in Houston, TX
Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. (snip) Thoughts? Why bother updating? Just change your

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Paul in Houston, TX
cmcadams wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I ever got got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't check. No more Java, here. Yah, I do a full scan once per week

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Paul Bergsagel
Edmund Wong wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been with it

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Ray_Net
Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote on 07/07/2015 15:48: On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 02:43:58 -0400, Ed Mullen ejemo...@edmullen.net wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread »Q«
In news:2o-dnvmjkvvwdghinz2dnuu7-lwdn...@mozilla.org, Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca wrote: Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be greater than if SeaMonkey continued with

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams
Paul in Houston, TX wrote: cmcadams wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I ever got got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't check. No more Java, here. Yah, I do

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Paul in Houston, TX
cmcadams wrote: I keep multiple partition backups on an external disk, and if something happens, usually because of something I did, I can revert without much angst. Saves needing to get fancy. I've never had anything get beyond a boot partition, that I know of. But if it did having the

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Miles Fidelman
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Maybe the time has come to reconsider how often SeaMonkey needs to be updated. Does SeaMonkey benefit, in the long run, with such a rapid update schedule? If SeaMonkey adopted a less frequent update schedule would the net benefits be greater than if SeaMonkey

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread cmcadams
cmcadams wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: cmcadams wrote: Paul in Houston, TX wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Same, but I do manual scans once a week, for form's sake. First and only time I ever got got was a Java update that changed its own settings, and I stupidly didn't check. No more Java,

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread John Duncan
Paul in Houston, TX wrote: cmcadams wrote: I keep multiple partition backups on an external disk, and if something happens, usually because of something I did, I can revert without much angst. Saves needing to get fancy. I've never had anything get beyond a boot partition, that I know of. But

Re: How dead is SeaMonkey?

2015-07-07 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Ed Mullen wrote: I've seen several sort of oblique mentions here of the lack of development of SM. Also, haven't seen an update in a while. So, I'm beginning to feel that I'm nearing the point where I cannot any longer stick with SM. Kind of sad since I've been with it since Netscape back