Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Rich Gray wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:15 -0400 From: Rich Gray rbg_smth...@graysmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? This is the same in principle, as the development of bloatware - as computer power and speed increased, software development got increasingly sloppy, so that software became ridiculously inefficient, so that now, much of the available software is rubbish. It is probably the reason of many of the crashes due to software being so poorly designed, that it increasingly swallows resources, without releasing the resources when the software is closed, amking computing increasingly unstable. Why can't people on mailing lists, treat other subscribers with respect, instead of trying to drown us in multiple copies of messages? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: snip Instruct them to install 2.0, migrate their data, then check for updates to newer versions. Lee Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades?? Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey 2.0: Download manager takes ages to open
The first time after launching Seamonkey 2.0 on Windows, hit ^J to open the download manager, and Seamonkey freezes up for almost a minute before it opens. Subsequent closing/reopening the download manager works fine. This is also seen when clicking a link to download the first time..it takes ages before the window opens and the download starts. Is this a bug? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
On or about 10/28/2009 9:03 PM, BeeNeR typed the following: On or about 10/28/2009 7:24 PM, Robert Kaiser typed the following: BeeNeR wrote: System Win XP up-to-date I installed SM2.0 and it did not load the all accounts, identities, and e-mail from the 1.1.18 version. It loaded accounts, identities, and e-mail from before May 28, 2009. Nothing after that date. Possible from when I was using 1.1.17 or earlier version. Have you tested a 2.0 alpha version back then? If so, that one probably has created a 2.0 profile with migration back then, and now you just get that profile. Go into the profile directory as documented in http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/profiles and delete the existing 2.0 profile when SeaMonkey is shut down, then start it again and it should start a new migration with the current data of your 1.x profile. Robert Kaiser Did that. After installing 2.0 I get a window that tells me SM is still running - close all windows or reboot. Don't see any SM running -- Can't find anything in Task Manager. Went through this process many times with uninstalling install 2.0. Finally uninstalled 1.1.18 and had the same results with a window telling me SM was running every time I tried to start 2.0. After a number of other trials, I said the hell with it for this evening, Uninstalled 2.0 and installed 1.1.18 again. All's well with 1.1.18. After uninstalling 1.1.18 and 2.0 reinstalling 2.0, I still get the window saying SM is running. My system has been rebooted more times in the last 24 hours than in the last 6 months. Image of this window can be found in mozilla.support.screenshots -- Ed Why is it that no plastic bag will open from the end you first try? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Another question about download manager
(I'm also 'Rex King' who posted just before this) At first glance, it seems pretty comprehensive compared to the one on Firefox- and I considered ditching 'DownThemAll!' which I've been using on Firefox for a long time. But it doesn't appear to support multi-segment downloading..can someone confirm? Also, the ability to sort downloads automatically into subfolders based on a regex would be nice (i.e. what the Download Sort extension for FF does) -- Technology is a word for something that doesn't work yet -- Douglas Adams ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today. Lee I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after the first install. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 06:21 am, Jay Garcia wrote: Click in the user name field, then click in it again. It should give you a drop-down list of saved items. I think what Ed is talking about is that there is only ONE login/password for each site, not a list of logins/passwords that cover a couple of dozen sites all in one drop down presented at each site. No, I think it does what Ed wants - lists all the logins for the current site. If you want a complete list, the password manager works the same as it always has. Netscape/Flock Champion Isn't Netscape dead? Looks like it is just a AOL Yahoo-style portal, now. No the server is still live and well. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:54 -0400, Phillip Jones wrote: It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. The crash reporter in 1.1 was called Talkback. The crash reporter in 2.0 is called, er, Crash Reporter. The latter is completely different code from a totally different source (google). Secondly, crash reporter in 2.0 never runs until SeaMonkey crashes. When SeaMonkey is running normally, the Crash Reporter is never running. I suggest that you are hallucinating. Phil I wish I had a made screen shot of the window. just to prove. .No I am not hallucinating. --- Just found another Bug Drag and drop editing doesn't completely work. In SM1.1.8 I Could option - Drag to copy a word from one place to another (duplicate a word) that no long works -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 10:26 am, Phillip Jones wrote: Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it extensively. Acrobat also has a lot of security exploits (!). But related not to Java-script. A quick Google search suggests otherwise: http://www.404techsupport.com/2009/02/20/prevent-the-latest-exploit-in-adobe-acrobat-disable-javascript/ http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/vulninfo/vuln.aspx?id=36838 Uh, did you read the link you gave? for Acrobat 9.0. There has since been versions 9.1.0, 9.1.1, 9.1.2, 9.1.3, and finally of recent 9.2.0 That's typical of a new version of any software. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 10:26 am, Phillip Jones wrote: Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it extensively. Acrobat also has a lot of security exploits (!). But related not to Java-script. A quick Google search suggests otherwise: http://www.404techsupport.com/2009/02/20/prevent-the-latest-exploit-in-adobe-acrobat-disable-javascript/ http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/vulninfo/vuln.aspx?id=36838 On the last link the Update is up to 8.1.7 that was reported is almost two years old -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 2; Extensions, AddOns, Themes
I have been anticipating SeaMonkey-2, and I downloaded it this morning. I miss having my Extensions and Themes I had used in version 1.18. Any idea when More Extensions / AddOns and themes will be available for version 2? Is there a generic or template install file that can be edited to install custom made / home made extensions. I have a few that I used in ver. 1.18. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Change mail server type?
Adam Huffman wrote: Is there a way of changing an existing mail account's server type from POP to IMAP? Or would I have to create a new IMAP account and copy over the messages in the POP one? you can not it depends on how your email provider provides ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with imported e-mail profile Seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: robert.ga...@att.net: The only way I could correct this was to manually edit prefs.js. There was a line user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1); which I assumed must be causing the problem. I changed the 1 to 0 and could then send e-mail. You could have done this with selecting the last entry in the left pane of the 'Mail Newsgroups Account Settings' named 'Outgoing Server (SMTP)'. Then select your SMTP server and press 'Edit'. I think you misread the problem, he isn't asked how to recover from the problem, the problem is that when he imported his profile the import got the settings wrong and turned on auth when it was not so in his 1.1.x profile. At least that's the only thing I can conclude from imported e-mail profile in the subject. Your comment is useful as a better way to work around the problem, but if others have seen (or not) this behavior info would be useful. I have gone back to 1.1.8 because it keeps asking for my password when attempting to send emails, even when it seems to have the correct one. On returning to 1.1.8 it all works perfectly. I am not conversant enough to start going into files. -- Please reply to group,emails to designated address are never read. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem with imported e-mail profile Seamonkey 2.0
Broadback wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Hartmut Figge wrote: Your comment is useful as a better way to work around the problem, but if others have seen (or not) this behavior info would be useful. I have gone back to 1.1.8 because it keeps asking for my password when attempting to send emails, even when it seems to have the correct one. On returning to 1.1.8 it all works perfectly. I am not conversant enough to start going into files. Precisely so. That's most annoying. I'm back using my 1.1.18, too... keith whaley ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1.18 to 2.0
James wrote: For me it was simple: 1] Download file 2] Click on file 3] Follow instructions Note that I allowed all of the old profile data to be imported. I tried that several times. SM never asked about importing anything. Ended up with no identities. I'll give it one more go, than I'll stay with 1.1.18. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another question about download manager
Rex wrote: But it doesn't appear to support multi-segment downloading..can someone confirm? Right, it's just a different user interface for the same download manager as Firefox has behind the scenes. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:54:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: 2) We already know now that 2.1 will not be able to import all the data from 1.x profiles like 2.0 can, as toolkit development removed some of the old import code already. That sounds a lot like you have to get on the bus now, the alternative being go back to Baltimore and start over again as a virgin. (E.B.Griswald) You have it exactly right, except that some of the Toolkit devs were, er, far more blunt and somewhat disdainful when they said that to us. According to threads previous about developers I though that developers were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation. Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things work, right? Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Daniel wrote: Doesn't SM 2.x automagically check for upgrades?? It does, but it might take up to a day until it does automatically. If you want to upgrade right away, manually going into Help Check For Updates... is probably better. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Bret Busby wrote: Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another Newsgroup: header instead of a Followup-to: and people just keep pressing Reply, which replies to all newsgroups in Newsgroup: headers unless there is a Followup-to: set. Sorry, it's me who messed up here. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
John Doue wrote: More realistically, would not it be better if users would start threads for specific issues related to SM 2.x, by mentioning SM 2. Issue ... in the subject line? Anything the moderators can do about this? You're right, that would be better, but that's completely in the hands of those who post. Newsgroups aren't moderated, they're one of those strange Internet technologies which are so open and free that how they're used is completely in the hands of those who use them and not some Big Brother oversight. Since both 1.xx and 2.x will coexist for a long time, it is more important than ever to mention the version in the subject line. I just hope that 1.x will die very fast - to be blunt, it was outdated to a certain part already when it was released, we as the SeaMonkey project did only build and release 1.x so that there is something out there with our brand and that the partially developed Mozilla 1.8 would be in the hands of people while we would work on the real new suite, which has taken longer than we hoped but is reality as the 2.0 release now. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Where To Install SM2..
Leonidas Jones wrote: James wrote: In case anyone missed it: I believe my post below is wrong and Lee is right; as I apparently still have the old copy on my hard drive. The old link apparently was changed to point to the new version and it's at a slightly different location. I don't know why the Seamonkey installation instructions tells you it's going to overwrite your existing version if it doesn't... James . . From: Jamesres07...@gte.net To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2.. Message-ID:4ae7bee1.9010...@gte.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just updated and as far as I can see the entire old Seamonkey is gone [overwritten] just like the Seamonkey site tells you it's going to be. I just wondered where you got the idea that it wouldn't do what they specifically tell you it_will_ do. Perhaps in a Beta??? Anyway, clicking on my old shortcut to Seamonkey 1.x now loads Seamonkey 2.0 and I don't see the old one anywhere. It's probably not a good idea to keep telling people they'll still have the old version to fall back on when the download page tells you that you won't. Maybe if you installed it in some other location??? I'm using Vista Home Basic 64 bit. James . . Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:07 -0400 From: Leonidas Jonesleonidasjo...@netscape.net To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Where To Install SM2.. Message-ID:muqdnulqesz6phrxnz2dnuvz_gqdn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed James wrote: Then why is this note on the Seamonkey page under Installation? Installation Please note that installing SeaMonkey 2.0 will overwrite your existing installation of SeaMonkey. You won't lose any of your bookmarks, browsing history or mail and news messages, but some of your extensions and other add-ons might not work until updates for them are made available. . . Thanks, James . . First of all, even if you install SM 2.0 in the default location, it will not overwrite the existing SM 1.1.x. It installs to its own location, and sets up a new profile in a new location. As long as you do not uninstall SM 1.1.x, you cn easily run the two independently of each other. Well, all I can say is that installing 2.0 on Win XP SP3 installed to a separate SeaMonkey folder in Program Files, leaving 1.1.14 untouched in the mozilla.org folder. On the other hand, on Mac OS X, I installed it as instructed to Applications, which did overwrite 1.1.18. At least that is what happened to me. Lee Whew!!! Thanks for confirming that! I suspect the directions were written before the fact, and things changed at the last minute. Anyhow, I'm glad you have both versions. Lee My install kind of overwrote the old version? Windows XP. 1.1.18 in D:\mozilla.org\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe is only 104 KB in size. Properties says it is 1.1.18 but double left mouse click starts 2.0 2.0 installed in D:\SeaMonkey2\seamonkey.exe is 11,245 KB in size. -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Phillip Jones wrote: Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 10:26 am, Phillip Jones wrote: Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it extensively. Acrobat also has a lot of security exploits (!). But related not to Java-script. A quick Google search suggests otherwise: http://www.404techsupport.com/2009/02/20/prevent-the-latest-exploit-in-adobe-acrobat-disable-javascript/ http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/vulninfo/vuln.aspx?id=36838 Uh, did you read the link you gave? Did you read your own messages? You said Adobe used JavaScript to show it doesn't have serious problems. Then it was pointed out that Adobe also get a lot of exploits. You responded by saying that they were not related to JavaScript. You are proved wrong, only to retort by saying that they have been patched. That was not the point. The point was that they do exist, which you wouldn't acknowledge. Hell, just read the quoted messages above. It's pretty obvious. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser wrote: asmpgmr wrote: Isn't there an early build out there that supports Gecko 1.9.1.x but still has the SeaMonkey 1.1.x UI ? And btw, now that wqe have a newer release, 1.1.18 is badly insecure, 80% of all security holes fixed in Gecko 1.9.1.1 to 1.9.1.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but were never fixed there. Why not? Why did you push a stable release that still contained known security holes that were patched elsewhere (meaning the theorical solution was at least known)? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
On Oct 28, 4:26 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: asmpgmr wrote: I've used Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey 1.x for awhile and never once had a security problem so I'm really not concerned about this. I've never seen that volcano spit fire, so it surely must be perfectly safe to wander its crater any day in the future as well, right? And we never needed more than 640KB of RAM before, so we'll never need more than that, right? And nobody ever came up with the idea to fly a passenger jet into a skyscraper, so you surely wouldn't ever be concerned about that, right? SeaMonkey 2.0 alpha 1 and 2 still had much of the old UI including the old location bar, download manager and I believe the old password manager as well so would it be possible to get one of those, revert the fix for bug 270443 (the bad infobars) and update Gecko to the current version ? Feel free to try building this version, I'll try to continue our project meanwhile, OK? Robert Kaiser Clearly you couldn't care less what anyone else thinks if they don't agree with you. As SeaMonkey becomes more and more like Firefox + Thunderbird users will either migrate to them as they are mainstream and on the forefront of development or they will switch to something else entirely so you're ultimately doing yourself no favor with this attitude. Oh and the 9/11 reference was *highly* inappropriate, a lot of people died that day. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2 on my Mac - No Go
David L. Ross wrote: Sorry buts that about as detailed as I can get as to what's wrong. Mac G4 1.25SP 2GB OS 10.4.11 Was using SM 1.1.14 Zipped the old Mozilla folder in ~/Library just in case. Ditto renamed SeaMonkey.app to SeaMonkey old.app Drop installed SM v2 Started it up, it asked me if I wanted to convert old stuff to new. I said yes. Note I have 7 mail accounts (6 imap, 1 pop) and 2 news accounts (of of them this site) First start Got a browser window. Did Cmd2 and no mail window. But there was a 2 with no description in the Window menu. Waited a bit. Tried Cmd2 a few more times. Then tried to quit. Menu command activated but nothing happened. Tried both CmdQ and menu pick. Nada. Restarted. Second start Now I can get a mail/news window. But I can't do anything with it. Menu items flash if you pick them. But nothing happens. Clicking on Account settings and such do nothing. I can open up main settings window but many of the choices yield a blank space on the right. Still can't quit. So I restart again. Third start Now I can get into preferences. They seem to do things. Ditto mail account settings. But some accounts will not check email. Other things odd. Still can't quit. Restart AGAIN. Forth start I get further but when I try and walk through email account settings many (most?) windows on the right seem to display some XML code in 50pt type. Still no quit. Restart AGAIN. Now I fire up SeaMonkey old and send this. Any ideas? Unfortunately no. I've had the same problems on a MacPro 3GB OS 10.5.8. SM 1.1.18 works perfectly to access 9 email accounts, 4 news servers, bookmark with 2900 entries and 550 MB in local folders. SM 2.0 hangs, crashes, display numbers with no description in the Window menu, refuses to display preferences, etc.. After several restart and reboot, I drop SM 2.0 and revert to the previously renamed SeaMonkey.1.1.18.app I've run SM 2.0 without problem on a Windows XP system with a single email account, few bookmark entries and local folders almost empty. I don't know yet what makes SM 2.0 unusable on MacOs. EM ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Doue wrote: snip Since both 1.xx and 2.x will coexist for a long time, it is more important than ever to mention the version in the subject line. I just hope that 1.x will die very fast - to be blunt, it was outdated to a certain part already when it was released, we as the SeaMonkey project did only build and release 1.x so that there is something out there with our brand and that the partially developed Mozilla 1.8 would be in the hands of people while we would work on the real new suite, which has taken longer than we hoped but is reality as the 2.0 release now. Robert Kaiser Keeping in mind all the hard work it took to get where you are today - all those who contributed deserve to be commended -, I can understand how you feel about the transition from 1.1.18 to SM 2.0. I nevertheless believe it will take quite some time before SM 2.x offers the features - or the adequate workarounds for those which are not replaced - that lots of users appreciate in 1.1.xx. Updating add-ons and probably creating new ones will also be necessary. Realistically, it will also take quite some time before the bugs which quite normally will start appearing as usage develops (as is always the case even for the best products) can be corrected. Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the profile wasn't lost, but locked. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: asmpgmr wrote: Isn't there an early build out there that supports Gecko 1.9.1.x but still has the SeaMonkey 1.1.x UI ? And btw, now that wqe have a newer release, 1.1.18 is badly insecure, 80% of all security holes fixed in Gecko 1.9.1.1 to 1.9.1.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but were never fixed there. Why not? Why did you push a stable release that still contained known security holes that were patched elsewhere (meaning the theorical solution was at least known)? Never mind. I read why in another thread in the mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. What's stopping you from adopting the code? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Can't Send E-Mail..
Leonidas Jones wrote: JD wrote: This update has not gone that well for me. Now I can't send e-mail. I get the following error: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server mail.ispname.net. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password' for that server or contact your service provider. I can't find this setting and I could send e-mail before the update. Where do I change this setting? EditMail and Newsgroup Account Settings In the Account Setting window, scroll down on the left to Outgoing Server. Select your SMTP server and click edit to correct the settings. It sounds like you need to uncheck se secure authentication, but if you are unsure, check with your isp for the correct settings. I would say that this was a bug in the profile import process, it should NOT be turning on authenticate. I thought I posted that thought yesterday, but it hasn't shown up... :-( -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: According to threads previous about developers I though that developers were made out to be just like regular users? The Comment above proves a point I tried to make but was scoffed at. Like I said developers either design for Board of Directors, and the stockholders; or the developers for themselves and other developers. The user isn't in the equation. Gah. You're trying very hard not to understand anything about how things work, right? I know how open source works, and he still has a point, I think. Open source really isn't /that/ different in the end. Developers may also be users, but ultimately they develop to scratch their own itch in many cases. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I did have a silent unexpected Quit. Attributed to the Crash reporter System (still having got that thing right on Mac's always has caused crashes on Mozilla products on Mac). It actually causes crashes on Mac's Now I'll have to disable it again. The crash reporter system doesn't _cause_ the crashes, it only comes up once the crash has already happened and tries to report the cause of the crash to us so we can find out how to correct the crash. Robert Kaiser It does. As long as its running SM will crash. in SM 1 since I disabled the reporter I haven't had a Crash in years. SM2 the first time after going to SM2 Final then importing everything from 1.1.8 which went off without a hitch. I was reading a message had to switch from it to another application . while hidden it crashed. I didn't even realize it was crashed until I aimed to switch back and notice in the Doc it wasn't run I restarted it opened up normally. Then when I quit the program to take a break and closed all the windows I had open (just a couple) there it was all the way in the Background. When it was running in 1.1.x and it was working it would pop to the front. It would come to front. Phillip, I have not noticed this at all. I don't remember if this was a problem with Communicator or not, but it really isn't today. Lee I just find it odd that on the very first opening after a completely successful copy over of all my mail boxes and sub folders, setting of preferences and then reading of messages it crashes when hiding it. I can't remember the time I've had a application to crash on opening after the first install. To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? Because I messed up the original post and did set yet another Newsgroup: header instead of a Followup-to: and people just keep pressing Reply, which replies to all newsgroups in Newsgroup: headers unless there is a Followup-to: set. Sorry, it's me who messed up here. Robert Kaiser Developers don't make mistakes ;-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: John Doue wrote: More realistically, would not it be better if users would start threads for specific issues related to SM 2.x, by mentioning SM 2. Issue ... in the subject line? Anything the moderators can do about this? You're right, that would be better, but that's completely in the hands of those who post. Newsgroups aren't moderated, they're one of those strange Internet technologies which are so open and free that how they're used is completely in the hands of those who use them and not some Big Brother oversight. That's a good thing. Its called freedom of expression. ---snip--- Robert Kaiser -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On 10/28/2009 10:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: ... You always make it so hard for me (joke) :-) http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [seamonkey-2.0.1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2] My 64bit tester is still using that w/o issues so far. I wish I could build a 64bit test version on a 32bit VM machine, but haven't figured out how to do that just yet :-) qemu-system-x86_64 if you're on Linux. Do an install of you favorite distribution, then build. I keep a directory which I use to share stuff, NFS mount it from the VM. The install is slow, but it will complete, the compile will work, and running SM-x86_64 will work and be at least as fast as some old computers I have owned. Cool! Thanks for the info. None of my cpu's with work with the kvm, but I'll experiment what I can do with only the quemu part. Found another one while checking out quemu: http://www3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/Research/FAUmachine/description.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:18, Benoit Renard told the world: Robert Kaiser wrote: This is not our decision, it's the Mozilla toolkit that is dropping support for that after 3 years of no well-maintained new major release with that infrastructure - it's just that SeaMonkey did take quite long to do an actual release based on the new code. What's stopping you from adopting the code? Manpower. The day has just so many hours, the year has just so many days, and there's other stuff that needs doing. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Nudist Camp sign - Sorry, Clothed for Winter. * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: They make Java work in Sandbox (whatever that is). Why can't Java-script. Look up what a sandbox in the context of computers is first so you know what you're talking about. I sort of know what it is I am just not a developer and technically versed to explain it correctly. Basically its a strict set of guideline to allow Java to do only certain things it crosses that line and it fails. Just Like a child playing in a Real sandbox its restricted as to where to move and play. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Steve Wendt wrote: On 10/28/09 10:26 am, Phillip Jones wrote: Java-script. Must not be too dangerous Adobe acrobat uses it extensively. Acrobat also has a lot of security exploits (!). But related not to Java-script. A quick Google search suggests otherwise: http://www.404techsupport.com/2009/02/20/prevent-the-latest-exploit-in-adobe-acrobat-disable-javascript/ http://www.ca.com/us/securityadvisor/vulninfo/vuln.aspx?id=36838 Uh, did you read the link you gave? Did you read your own messages? You said Adobe used JavaScript to show it doesn't have serious problems. Then it was pointed out that Adobe also get a lot of exploits. You responded by saying that they were not related to JavaScript. You are proved wrong, only to retort by saying that they have been patched. That was not the point. The point was that they do exist, which you wouldn't acknowledge. Hell, just read the quoted messages above. It's pretty obvious. JavaScript is not the only technology that has problems. Java had it share. even SM and FF constantly update because of overrun exploits. Sure Acrobat had their problems, even with Java script, but not currently. I suppose with with Normal PC anything is dangerous. I can remember when Computers first came out with DOS (I worked for school system) little 11 12 kids could go in and remove a Config.sys file or other files from system and cause system to crash. I wore out many a copy of Norton Tools, Norton commander just replacing these files. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0 and favicons
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: You may also need to check Aggressively look for website icons when the page does not define one. NO. That preference shouldn't even exist. It enables non-standard behaviour that pisses people hosting the sites off. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Update instructions
Robert Kaiser schrieb: Thank You very much, Robert. What I am looking for is a small update instruction. The Version two was announced yesterday like the previous smaller updates. But i mean to remember, that for example 1.18 and 2.0 are not so compatible with the personal options and data. So i hesitate now installing the new version because of my bookmarks and newsgroups. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: They make Java work in Sandbox (whatever that is). Why can't Java-script. Look up what a sandbox in the context of computers is first so you know what you're talking about. I sort of know what it is I am just not a developer and technically versed to explain it correctly. Basically its a strict set of guideline to allow Java to do only certain things it crosses that line and it fails. Just Like a child playing in a Real sandbox its restricted as to where to move and play. Just that it's more an illusion of a sandbox than a real one, from what I hear from some security people. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM2: No Profiles Found
So I re-installed SM2 without uninstalling 1.1.18. SM2 installed and started -- with ONLY the Default profile. WTF? Nowhere in the process did SM ask me whether I wanted to import anything. I got no bookmarks, no email addys, no nothing! What did I do wrong?? How can I get SM 2 to import my 3 profiles from 1.1.18 (which thankfully I have kept aboard)?? chuck ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2 Update could not be installed
therube wrote: Sounds like this should cover it, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Software_Update#Software_Update_Failed._The_update_could_not_be_installed That was it, deleting the files fixed it. Thank you. -- Rob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 1.1.18 to 2.0
On or about 10/29/2009 9:16 AM, cciaffone typed the following: James wrote: For me it was simple: 1] Download file 2] Click on file 3] Follow instructions Note that I allowed all of the old profile data to be imported. I tried that several times. SM never asked about importing anything. Ended up with no identities. I'll give it one more go, than I'll stay with 1.1.18. I tried that a number of times. Each time i ended up with profile from back in May, not the one 1.1.18 was using. After removing that profile from disk I haven't been able to get 2.0 running at all. Never asked for the import wizard and using seamonkey.exe -migration had no effect at all. Now it tells me SM is running no matter what I do when I try to start it. I'm also back on 1.1.18. -- Ed The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has its limits. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: asmpgmr wrote: Isn't there an early build out there that supports Gecko 1.9.1.x but still has the SeaMonkey 1.1.x UI ? And btw, now that wqe have a newer release, 1.1.18 is badly insecure, 80% of all security holes fixed in Gecko 1.9.1.1 to 1.9.1.4 do exist in SeaMonkey 1.1.18 but were never fixed there. Why not? Why did you push a stable release that still contained known security holes that were patched elsewhere (meaning the theorical solution was at least known)? We fixed at least one very large security hole in 1.1.17 when we pushed 1.1.18, but there were a few other known ones which were know already then (and that was a few months ago, some more were found since then) which just nobody had taken the time to backport - and sorry, I am just not able to do those backports as I don't understand any C/C++ code and most security bugs are there. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Spoofing in SM 2.0
I'm having trouble with my bank's billpay. They don't accept the SeaMonkey 2.0 browser, and it even crashes the browser. It used to be in SM 1.1.18 that I could spoof IE or Firefox (or even permanently change the User-Agent in the config file). But now the Tools menu doesn't even have a temporary spoofing option. Any work around for this with SM 2.0? Could somebody walk me through the procedure of modifying the configuration file if that's the best fix? I did report this problem to the SM project. Here's the message I get which freezes my browser doesn't even allow the Back button to operate: The browser you are using is not currently supported by Wachovia Online BillPay. For best results and to ensure accuracy, we recommend you use one of the following supported browsers: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (download for Windows XP) * Firefox 3 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Apple Safari 4 (download for Mac OS X 10.5.x) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2009 13:01, asmpgmr told the world: On Oct 28, 4:26 pm, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Feel free to try building this version, I'll try to continue our project meanwhile, OK? Clearly you couldn't care less what anyone else thinks if they don't agree with you. As SeaMonkey becomes more and more like Firefox + Thunderbird users will either migrate to them as they are mainstream and on the forefront of development or they will switch to something else entirely so you're ultimately doing yourself no favor with this attitude. Well, in KaiRo's defense, we're not *paying* him, so we have no right to give him *orders*. He's doing what he thinks is the best thing based on his knowledge of things, including the innards of both the old and the new Seamonkey. The statements I have seen, by him and many others, over the last few years, were that with Seamonkey no longer being an official Mozilla project (and therefore with far less money and manpower available for development) the best choice in the long run would be to make it as close to Firefox and Thunderbird as possible, in order to concentrate efforts in what makes Seamonkey unique, leaving stuff like the development of the Gecko engine in the hands of the Mozilla Foundation. What you were asking was to go back to the old Seamonkey code. Which is old, has known security bugs and is used *only* by Seamonkey, so the maintenance cannot be shared with the larger projects. He prefers instead to keep moving forward with the new code, which *is* shared with the official MoFo projects -- freeing valuable time from the maintenance of obsolete code to do other stuff that needs to be done. If you disagree, if you think you have a better idea of what's the best roadmap for whatever replaced the Mozilla Suite, well, the source code is available, just fork a new project. Maybe you can find enough interested programmers to backport Gecko 1.9 and Tracemonkey back to the old framework, and to maintain it. I wish you success. Personally, I would be happier in the short run if there was a way to use Multizilla with Seamonkey 2. But I understand that this would either involve holding up evolution of Seamonkey, or a massive rewriting job for Multizilla (which the Multizilla author currently has no time for). So for me it's a tradeoff: keep with SM 1.1.18, Multizilla but pass on stuff like a better rendering engine, faster Javascript and such, or move to SM2 and look for other ways to regain the functionality I was used to. So I decided to sacrifice short-term convenience for long-term evolution; I trust that eventually I'll find the right mix of extensions to do the things I used to do with Multizilla. And sometimes change is good to make you rethink the way you were doing things. Losing the Googlebox forced me to find another convenient way to do searches -- and I ended up with a *better* way. I could have used it back in SM 1.1.18, but I was too set in my ways. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Its a dogma-eat-dogma world! * TagZilla 0.0661 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org on Seamonkey 2 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
I'm not sure [and no expert on anything] but I believe in cases past SM had picked up an older profile of mine that had been superseded. You might consider renaming or temporarily relocating any old profiles that you don't want to delete [after making sure they are in fact older ones] and try re-installing. Or perhaps just import the correct profile. Luck, James . . Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:40:11 -0400 From: BeeNeRw3...@verizon.net To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: SM1.1.18 to 2.0 Message-ID:kz-dnyxgrs6kdxxxnz2dnuvz_hydn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 System Win XP up-to-date I installed SM2.0 and it did not load the all accounts, identities, and e-mail from the 1.1.18 version. It loaded accounts, identities, and e-mail from before May 28, 2009. Nothing after that date. Possible from when I was using 1.1.17 or earlier version. I have not changed the default location of my profile so I would assume that 2.0 would have picked up the correct information. As of now I'm back to 1.1.18. Any suggestions? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?
On 10/28/2009 03:20 AM, Tom Pamin wrote: Form Manager I've note used it, but: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0/ quote A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. /quote ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Thank You Developers
I've been working with Seamonkey 2 for a few weeks and I am now finally getting used to it. I'd just like to thank you for your hard work. I can already see the improvements in speed and I'm sure I'll find more and better things as I work with it more. My transition from 1.x completely flawless.on Windows XP. Good Job -- Rob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Benoit Renard wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: I've heard more reports of 1.1.x users suddenly losing their whole profile as I've heard reports of users losing data when migrating to 2.0 But then again, 2.0 was just released, while 1.1.x has existed for a couple years already. It's not a fair comparison. Also, often the profile wasn't lost, but locked. Same with 2.0, the data isn't lost but not correctly migrated in most cases. And still, there are a number of people that are losing at least all their settings regularly with 1.x, _even though_ it has been out for years. We just couldn't find the bugs in the old crap code. You know, there are actual _reasons_ why we switched to newer code that is actively maintained and have throws away the old crap that nobody wanted to maintain any more. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightening? WHere are the Buttons?
I loaded Lightning 1.pre and I don't see how to add the tool bar buttons. Am I missing something? Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:47:27 +0100, dominique wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote, On 10/28/2009 4:57 PM: What is the status of getting Lightening to work in Seamonkey? SM2 works fine with Lightning, although it take version 1.pre (i.e. not the official stable version, but the nearly stable one... Have a look there: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ If you want to use Lightning 1.0pre with the SeaMonkey Modern theme, you might like to install: http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/lightningmods-dev.xpi Which makes Lightning look better when the Modern theme is active. Phil ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
John Doue wrote: I nevertheless believe it will take quite some time before SM 2.x offers the features - or the adequate workarounds for those which are not replaced - that lots of users appreciate in 1.1.xx. Updating add-ons and probably creating new ones will also be necessary. We're trying as hard as we can, but sure, esp. on the add-ons front you're totally right. The good thing is that for one thing the whole add-on management is much better and more robust now, and for the other, we have done the really heavy lifting to the new platform now and can do further releases in smaller steps. Realistically, it will also take quite some time before the bugs which quite normally will start appearing as usage develops (as is always the case even for the best products) can be corrected. True, though a lot of the new code we switched to is already in use by hundreds of millions of Firefox users and therefore has seen a good amount of testing before SeaMonkey even used it. Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. As I said, we're trying as hard as we can, but it doesn't make sense to make SeaMonkey the dumping ground for old code nobody else wants to maintain any more, and so we might also continue to drop some things, like the import of old download history (which probably isn't essential for many people anyhow, even though it might be nice to have). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Update instructions
Gerd Schweizer wrote: What I am looking for is a small update instruction. The Version two was announced yesterday like the previous smaller updates. But i mean to remember, that for example 1.18 and 2.0 are not so compatible with the personal options and data. So i hesitate now installing the new version because of my bookmarks and newsgroups. SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't destroy any of your old data, it copies it to a new location and migrates it into the formats used now. The install instructions are at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/install-and-uninstall Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 Form Management
On 10/28/2009 03:50 AM, Mark Banner wrote: On 28/10/2009 10:30, Lucas Levrel wrote: My question: is there a way to make it remember only *part* of a form (e.g. login but not password)? And to make it remember some forms but not all (e.g. logging-in forms for forums but not for bank accounts)? Passwords are not saved by the form manager - they are located in the password manager. Hence can be switched off/denied separately. iirc form fill will remember usernames if you don't save the password, but I could be wrong. Standard8 Relevant bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=304309 [convert to satchel from wallet] See the last few comments. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2: No Profiles Found
Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:05:38 -0400, /cciaffone/: So I re-installed SM2 without uninstalling 1.1.18. SM2 installed and started -- with ONLY the Default profile. WTF? So have you migrated your SM1 profile the first time you've installed and run SM2? Nowhere in the process did SM ask me whether I wanted to import anything. I got no bookmarks, no email addys, no nothing! What did I do wrong?? How can I get SM 2 to import my 3 profiles from 1.1.18 (which thankfully I have kept aboard)?? SeaMonkey 2 will only ask to migrate only one profile and only once during the first run. After that you'll have to initiate profile migration manually: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration This is also mentioned in the Known Issues of the release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0/#issues -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
opening tabs in background AND in new tabs in an existing window
Hi, since the beginning of using SM (after Netscape Suite), when I simply clicked a link from in the SM mail program, it would open the link in a new tab from an existing window, and the browser program would NOT be placed in the foreground, but nicely stay in background too, so I didn't have to switch back to the SM mail program every time to open another link. I didn't even have to use the RIGHT CLICK option, just click left once and go. Any suggestions on how to do that in SM 2.0? Thanks, DJ. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: No images in E-mail with SM 2.0
On 10/28/2009 07:17 AM, Hank wrote: Installed SeaMonkey 2.0 last night and all looks good except I get no images displayed in e-mail messages. Where the images should be there are boxed in or underlined text or symbols. No add-ons and I uninstalled and reinstalled all plug-ins with latest versions. I uninstalled 1.1.18 before starting the installation of 2.0. When I list plug-ins from Help everything shows enabled except Mozilla default plug-in. Is Mozilla default plug-in supposed to be enabled in this version? I have checked View and Preferences and cannot find anything that seems to be set up wrong. View|Display Attachements Inline checked? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New SeaMonkey 2 -- Questions
I second that emotion [Vista Home Basic 64]. James . . Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:03:45 +1100 From: Peter Leep...@melbpc.org.au To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: New SeaMonkey 2 -- Questions Message-ID:_sydneoci-tcinxxnz2dnuvz_hqdn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I uninstalled 1.1.14 leaving profile intact then installed 2.0. On first start of 2.0 everything transferred perfectly from my old profile [ left the old folders intact]. Seamonkey 2.0 is working flawlessly more quickly than previous version What a great job the many dedicated Seamonkey developers have done. Because, in addition to my paid employment, I spend many hours as a volunteer in the community; I can appreciate the big effort these people have contributed to the project. Peter Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another email query
Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: When i use my windows live hotmail webmail account with seamonkey 1.1.16 and earlier, I can read my email but when I try to compose mail, I cannot write the text of the mail. The mail account works fully with Firefox so the hotmail end looks like it is configured OK. Can anyone throw any light on this please. TIA Bob why can't you compose? What happens? What error messages, if any, do you get? When you click on compose, what happens? The reply window opens but I cannot type in it Have you tried changing the user agent to pretent to be FF and see what happens? Sorry I don't understand this part. Bob yup, it seems they're browser sniffing. That means they're sniffing to see what browser you're using, and if you're using anything besides IE or FF, then you're SOL. It just won't work with SM. One way around this is to change you're user agent. The UA tells the world what browser you're using, and what operating sytem you're using. For example, your UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090403 SeaMonkey/1.1.16 This tells me you're using winXP [thats NIT 5.1], you're using the US version of SeaMonkey, version 1.1.16. If you install the UA Switcher, then you can change your UA and pretend you're another browser, and a nother operating system. You can get it here: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Thanks Peter, I'm now pretending to be Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 and all seems to be working. Bob Having upgraded to SM2, The user agent switcher has disappeared. This seemed to be necessary to be able to compose Hotmail messages. I tried to reinstall the add-in to SM2 and apparently it is incompatible with SM2. So what is the solution to composition of hotmail messages under SM2 (please don't say Don't use Hotmail as that is not an option for me). TIA Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
Ken Rudolph wrote: I'm having trouble with my bank's billpay. They don't accept the SeaMonkey 2.0 browser, and it even crashes the browser. It used to be in SM 1.1.18 that I could spoof IE or Firefox (or even permanently change the User-Agent in the config file). But now the Tools menu doesn't even have a temporary spoofing option. Any work around for this with SM 2.0? Could somebody walk me through the procedure of modifying the configuration file if that's the best fix? I did report this problem to the SM project. Here's the message I get which freezes my browser doesn't even allow the Back button to operate: The browser you are using is not currently supported by Wachovia Online BillPay. For best results and to ensure accuracy, we recommend you use one of the following supported browsers: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (download for Windows XP) * Firefox 3 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Apple Safari 4 (download for Mac OS X 10.5.x) I seem to have solved this for the time being by adding Firefox/3.5.4 to the general.useragent.extra.seamonkey line in about:config. Am I causing any potential permanent harm with this? --Ken Rudolph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM 2.0 mail composer secondary e-mail address display failure
I noticed that when I am in the Seamonkey 2.0 mail composition window and type in part of a recipient's name, the mail composer's address search function SOMETIMES displays ONLY the primary e-mail address and the ADDITIONAL (secondary) e-mail address is not displayed. it appears that the e-mail address search function sometimes omits displaying the secondary e-mail entry that may be in a recipient's address book entry. Compared to SM 1.X, if an address book entry has both the primary and secondary (additional) e-mail address field filled, both address will be displayed in the auto search and the sender who is composing the e-mail can then select which address to use. As a result of this SM 2.0 mail composer address search issue, I have had to go into certain address book entries and manually reverse the primary and secondary e-mail address field contents because I prefer to send to the secondary e-mail address of some of my recipients. I was wondering if anyone else also experienced this problem above. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another email query
Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: When i use my windows live hotmail webmail account with seamonkey 1.1.16 and earlier, I can read my email but when I try to compose mail, I cannot write the text of the mail. The mail account works fully with Firefox so the hotmail end looks like it is configured OK. Can anyone throw any light on this please. TIA Bob why can't you compose? What happens? What error messages, if any, do you get? When you click on compose, what happens? The reply window opens but I cannot type in it Have you tried changing the user agent to pretent to be FF and see what happens? Sorry I don't understand this part. Bob yup, it seems they're browser sniffing. That means they're sniffing to see what browser you're using, and if you're using anything besides IE or FF, then you're SOL. It just won't work with SM. One way around this is to change you're user agent. The UA tells the world what browser you're using, and what operating sytem you're using. For example, your UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090403 SeaMonkey/1.1.16 This tells me you're using winXP [thats NIT 5.1], you're using the US version of SeaMonkey, version 1.1.16. If you install the UA Switcher, then you can change your UA and pretend you're another browser, and a nother operating system. You can get it here: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Thanks Peter, I'm now pretending to be Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 and all seems to be working. Bob Having upgraded to SM2, The user agent switcher has disappeared. This seemed to be necessary to be able to compose Hotmail messages. I tried to reinstall the add-in to SM2 and apparently it is incompatible with SM2. So what is the solution to composition of hotmail messages under SM2 (please don't say Don't use Hotmail as that is not an option for me). TIA Bob Having searched around, It appears that the author of User Agent switcher has been unwell and when he is better, will be testing and subsequently releasing a version for SM2. Bob OK I know it is bad for to answer your own question but I thought it might be of interest to others. See http://chrispederick.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=8160#p8160 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:52:35 -0700, /Ken Rudolph/: I seem to have solved this for the time being by adding Firefox/3.5.4 to the general.useragent.extra.seamonkey line in about:config. Am I causing any potential permanent harm with this? You better define one more general.useragent.extra.spoof pref with value of NOT Firefox/3.5.4. This way when the default value of general.useragent.extra.seamonkey changes (between revisions) it will be reflected automatically in your UA string. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another email query
Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: When i use my windows live hotmail webmail account with seamonkey 1.1.16 and earlier, I can read my email but when I try to compose mail, I cannot write the text of the mail. The mail account works fully with Firefox so the hotmail end looks like it is configured OK. Can anyone throw any light on this please. TIA Bob why can't you compose? What happens? What error messages, if any, do you get? When you click on compose, what happens? The reply window opens but I cannot type in it Have you tried changing the user agent to pretent to be FF and see what happens? Sorry I don't understand this part. Bob yup, it seems they're browser sniffing. That means they're sniffing to see what browser you're using, and if you're using anything besides IE or FF, then you're SOL. It just won't work with SM. One way around this is to change you're user agent. The UA tells the world what browser you're using, and what operating sytem you're using. For example, your UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090403 SeaMonkey/1.1.16 This tells me you're using winXP [thats NIT 5.1], you're using the US version of SeaMonkey, version 1.1.16. If you install the UA Switcher, then you can change your UA and pretend you're another browser, and a nother operating system. You can get it here: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Thanks Peter, I'm now pretending to be Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 and all seems to be working. Bob Having upgraded to SM2, The user agent switcher has disappeared. This seemed to be necessary to be able to compose Hotmail messages. I tried to reinstall the add-in to SM2 and apparently it is incompatible with SM2. So what is the solution to composition of hotmail messages under SM2 (please don't say Don't use Hotmail as that is not an option for me). TIA Bob Having searched around, It appears that the author of User Agent switcher has been unwell and when he is better, will be testing and subsequently releasing a version for SM2. Bob OK I know it is bad for to answer your own question but I thought it might be of interest to others. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: TEXT PARTIALLY GRAY INSTEAD OF BLACK. WAS: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 46, Issue 137
Possibly the signature delimiter which is two dashes and a space? As in... -- Jordon James wrote: For some reason parts of the downloaded messages are much lighter than others. For example the message which I've quoted here is totally gray while the next message in the list is half gray and half black. Anyone know what causes that? I know some programs [such as Quicken] use light or dark text for specific purposes but in Seamonkey 2.0 and I think in my 1.1.18 also I had the same condition and it appears random. Thanks, James . . Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:53:15 -0800 From: David E. Rossnob...@nowhere.invalid To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: MS 2 -- Master Password Message-ID:hvkdnrgat8aqghxxnz2dnuvz_hydn...@mozilla.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Every time I switch profiles, I'm asked to enter my master password. The page being displayed (my bookmarks file) does not request a password. My preference in [Edit Preferences Privacy Security Master Password] is set for SeaMonkey will ask for your master password the first time it is needed? How do I stop this request until I actually need the master password? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
chicagofan wrote: John Doue wrote: Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! Kudos indeed! :) Could someone tell me what the Firefox bookmarks system is? It's the new bookmarks database that Firefox already uses and which supports things like tagging and live bookmarks. We're not completely sure yet in which way those will be reflected in the new SeaMonkey UI for it though, as we want to keep things very similar to how bookmarks work right now. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightening? WHere are the Buttons?
Rob Steinmetz wrote: I loaded Lightning 1.pre and I don't see how to add the tool bar buttons. Am I missing something? I don't think it has toolbar icons. It's present in the tab bar if shown, and it's present in the menu bar (Events and Tasks). Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 Can't Send E-Mail..
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: JD wrote: This update has not gone that well for me. Now I can't send e-mail. I get the following error: Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail: Unable to authenticate to SMTP server mail.ispname.net. It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'Use name and password' for that server or contact your service provider. I can't find this setting and I could send e-mail before the update. Where do I change this setting? EditMail and Newsgroup Account Settings In the Account Setting window, scroll down on the left to Outgoing Server. Select your SMTP server and click edit to correct the settings. It sounds like you need to uncheck se secure authentication, but if you are unsure, check with your isp for the correct settings. I would say that this was a bug in the profile import process, it should NOT be turning on authenticate. Possibly the third point of http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0/#issues happening there? Robert Kaiser Sounds like that's whats happened to me. All fixed and looking good! -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: chicagofan wrote: John Doue wrote: Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! Kudos indeed! :) Could someone tell me what the Firefox bookmarks system is? It's the new bookmarks database that Firefox already uses and which supports things like tagging and live bookmarks. We're not completely sure yet in which way those will be reflected in the new SeaMonkey UI for it though, as we want to keep things very similar to how bookmarks work right now. Robert Kaiser That's good news to me... very similar to how bookmarks work right now. ;) Thanks, Robert, and thanks again to you and all the SM developers. Oh, BTW, were there any changes in the last week that I should update for? My last update was on the 21st. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:52:35 -0700, /Ken Rudolph/: I seem to have solved this for the time being by adding Firefox/3.5.4 to the general.useragent.extra.seamonkey line in about:config. Am I causing any potential permanent harm with this? You better define one more general.useragent.extra.spoof pref with value of NOT Firefox/3.5.4. This way when the default value of general.useragent.extra.seamonkey changes (between revisions) it will be reflected automatically in your UA string. Thank you. That works great! -- JD.. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Lightening? WHere are the Buttons?
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I loaded Lightning 1.pre and I don't see how to add the tool bar buttons. Am I missing something? I don't think it has toolbar icons. It's present in the tab bar if shown, and it's present in the menu bar (Events and Tasks). Robert Kaiser After looking at Lightning 1.pre in in SeaMonkey for a while, it seems a lot of things don't work quite right and I'm not sure if its a Lightening or a SeaMonkey issues. What is the relationship between the two projects? Can we expect Lightening to integrate with SeaMonkey when 1.0 is released? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - Starting new Threads for different issues
Robert Kaiser wrote: chicagofan wrote: John Doue wrote: Bottom line is, I do hope you and your team will show consideration and understanding for the users who will remain faithful to 1.1.xx until they are comfortable making the switch, especially knowing that, if IIRC, SM 2.1 will adopt the FF bookmarks system. This being said, kudos for this achievement! Kudos indeed! :) Could someone tell me what the Firefox bookmarks system is? It's the new bookmarks database that Firefox already uses and which supports things like tagging and live bookmarks. We're not completely sure yet in which way those will be reflected in the new SeaMonkey UI for it though, as we want to keep things very similar to how bookmarks work right now. Robert Kaiser That is a really good news! -- John Doue ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Migrating a Profile
I tried this and it worked, but have I done any damage?? I made a new folder d:/seamonkey2/users and copied into it my 1.1.18 profile folder so it looks like this: d:/seamonkey2/users/myname Then in SM 2 I went into Manage Profiles, selected Create, and chose that as the folder. Bingo. I have a new myname profile with complete newsgroups, bookmarks, email, addys, etc. Altho it did not carry over the url history, if I start typing a URL I've used before, it finishes it for me. Anyhow, is this gonna be ok?? chuck ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Switching User Agent in SM2
Leonidas Jones wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Is there a built-in function or a compatible addon (such as User Agent Switcher - not compatible with 2.0) that allows switching user agent in SM2 for those retarded sites that don't recognize Seamonkey as a secure browser? PrefBar has a built in UA switcher, and works in SM 2.0. Lee Thanks for the help. Prefbar did the job. I do switch back to the default agent after leaving the financial site that doesn't accept SeaMonkey. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
Ken Rudolph wrote: I'm having trouble with my bank's billpay. They don't accept the SeaMonkey 2.0 browser, and it even crashes the browser. Here's the message I get which freezes my browser doesn't even allow the Back button to operate: The browser you are using is not currently supported by Wachovia Online BillPay. For best results and to ensure accuracy, we recommend you use one of the following supported browsers: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (download for Windows XP) * Firefox 3 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Apple Safari 4 (download for Mac OS X 10.5.x) In case you missed my thread with a similar question, I was advised to use the Prefbar extension. I installed it, used its user agent switching feature to access the financial site that wouldn't accept SeaMonkey, then switched back to the default SeaMonkey ID. With Prefbar the process takes only a couple of mouse clicks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating a Profile
Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:23:44 -0400, /cciaffone/: I tried this and it worked, but have I done any damage?? I made a new folder d:/seamonkey2/users and copied into it my 1.1.18 profile folder so it looks like this: d:/seamonkey2/users/myname Then in SM 2 I went into Manage Profiles, selected Create, and chose that as the folder. Bingo. I have a new myname profile with complete newsgroups, bookmarks, email, addys, etc. Altho it did not carry over the url history, if I start typing a URL I've used before, it finishes it for me. Anyhow, is this gonna be ok?? You seem to insist on doing stuff in strange ways. It happens you've got some of your old profile data this way, as its format hasn't changed (a lot) but you should not expect everything working smoothly. I can't even guarantee if you continue using thus imported profile to not wipe out by itself in future. Haven't you tried: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration as suggested in another reply? -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.0 RC2: will modal window for About:SeaMonkey return?
Robert Kaiser ha scritto: asmpgmr wrote: Well the tiny round buttons aren't good. I've never seen any app have buttons like that, it needs normal buttons. Also what do you perceive as wrong with the 1.x design ? It looks perfectly fine to me. People who don't like dialogs can use the download manager and that's great, there's a choice. Why make the dialog unusable to those who prefer dialogs ? The tiny round buttons are IMHO one of the better designs in that progress window. It's no dialog anyhow, it's a progess window. But perhaps we should have just remove them altogether, would have saved me lots of work and us all lots of discussions. Hello, can you please upload somewhere a screen-shot of what you're talking about? This discussion is really interesting, but I'm missing the problem... thanx, Gabriele ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Password Manager SM 2..
Evan Davidson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: JD wrote: Rufus wrote: JD wrote: The password manager in SM version 2 sucks. Password Manager doesn't fill in the user name or password until I enter the start of it. V 1.1.18 filled it in when I went to a page that had a user name and/or password.. How long will V 1.1.18 be supported while I find something else to use? I'm sorry to be such a complainer but I'm not impressed with my SM update. Works as previous for Mac OS X - I go to the page and Password Manager fills in the entire stored entries. On my XP home edition, it works on some pages like it used to but on others I have to click. I'm getting used to it. (I guess.) I've noticed for a while That on many sites now the password Manager will remember the username but not the password and on some bank sites or CC Site even with it on it remembers neither. There use to be a script you could add to SeaMonkey, that would make it store passwords anyway. Anyone know where that is? https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/forms.html and drag remember passwords to your personal toolbar. You should not have to install additional software to make a function in Seamonkey 2.0 operate correctly. Password Manager does not function correctly in that it indeed only works some of the time. It does not appear to have a problem with standard HTTP: sites but is unpredictable with HTTPS secure sites. Connecting to my Capital One secure account and clicking on my User ID does nothing. Double clicking on my User Id results in a drop down list with my ID. The Password field is prefilled with asterisks and double clicking on it highlights the asterisks the field. Connecting to my Comerica secure account and clicking on the User ID box does nothing. Double clicking on my User ID does nothing either. However if I double click on my User ID, then double click on my Password and then go back and double click on my User ID my User ID appears in a drop down list. At first I thought this was a timing issue but after waiting 5 minutes for something to happen proved that this was not the case. Connecting to my Chase secure account, nothing works. Single clicks, double clicks, in one field, in all fields, I get absolutely no response. Because I have over 60 user accounts and passwords for on line ordering and financial management this is a very important required function. Without it SM 2.0 is not usable to me so I will continue to use 1.1.18 in hopes that this problem will be resolved. Excepting one other problem, I do like the new version and appreciate the effort that goes into bringing a project like this into the world. -- Stan Gondek Multi Path Communications http://www.m-p-c.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does Form Manager in 2.0 Work?
NoOp wrote: On 10/28/2009 03:20 AM, Tom Pamin wrote: Form Manager I've note used it, but: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0/ quote A new form manager replaces all previous web form management, and automatically keeps a record of what you type into forms and presents you these options in a drop-down list when you come back. /quote In can't get it to work at all ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2 - using external email program for mailto?
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:50:48 -0700 (PDT), therube sjben...@gmail.com wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/browse_thread/thread/7df7143ea152c7f4# Is this what I'm supposed to do? : In the location bar, type about:config and press enter. If you get a scary-looking warning, just click past it. In the filter box at the top of the page enter network.protocol-handler.external.mailto (without quotes). If you get a result, then just double-click on it to change it true. If you don't, then right-click the pane and select new - boolean. Give it a name of network.protocol-handler.external.mailto (without quotes) and set the value to true. Restart SeaMonkey (including QuickLaunch if you have it enabled) and try clicking a mailto link. It should open in Pegasus. - Raj Bhaskar Thanks Russell ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
Phillip Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: /snip/ To add insult to injury It crashed again a while ago this time as I was quitting it. Same pattern as before. I'll see if I can figure out where the error reporter in in about:Config. and be done with it. Phillip, be reasonable. Its the crash reporter that report the crash and its cause to the developers. If *can't* cause the crash. If you see it, the crash has already happened. Disabling it only keeps you from sending the data to those who might be able to fix it. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
On or about 10/28/2009 9:03 PM, BeeNeR typed the following: On or about 10/28/2009 7:24 PM, Robert Kaiser typed the following: BeeNeR wrote: System Win XP up-to-date I installed SM2.0 and it did not load the all accounts, identities, and e-mail from the 1.1.18 version. It loaded accounts, identities, and e-mail from before May 28, 2009. Nothing after that date. Possible from when I was using 1.1.17 or earlier version. Have you tested a 2.0 alpha version back then? If so, that one probably has created a 2.0 profile with migration back then, and now you just get that profile. Go into the profile directory as documented in http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/profiles and delete the existing 2.0 profile when SeaMonkey is shut down, then start it again and it should start a new migration with the current data of your 1.x profile. Robert Kaiser Did that. After installing 2.0 I get a window that tells me SM is still running - close all windows or reboot. Don't see any SM running -- Can't find anything in Task Manager. Went through this process many times with uninstalling install 2.0. Finally uninstalled 1.1.18 and had the same results with a window telling me SM was running every time I tried to start 2.0. After a number of other trials, I said the hell with it for this evening, Uninstalled 2.0 and installed 1.1.18 again. All's well with 1.1.18. Today I again made sure there was only one profile on my disk. I uninstalled SM2, deleted the Program Files/SeaMonkey directory, rebooted, uninstalled SM1.1.18, deleted the Program Files/mozilla.org directory, rebooted, ran two different registry scanners/repair software and searched the registry for SM leftovers, rebooted again, installed SM2.0. It went through the installatiion, did NOT bring up the 'import wizard', asked if I wanted to start SM, I said no. Followed instructions on web page to start SM with the -migration and got the window that tells me SM is already running and to shut it down and reboot. Did the above again with telling SM to 'start' after installation finished. Got the same window of SM already running. I don't see anything that I can place as a SM program or dll when I look at Windows Task Manager. Rebooted, uninstalled SM2, reinstalled SM1.1.18 with no problems. I guess I'll wait for SM2.1 -- Ed ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
On or about 10/29/2009 7:12 AM, BeeNeR typed the following: SNIP Image of this window can be found in mozilla.support.screenshots Evidently the moderator of mozilla.support.screenshots is on vacation. The screenshot has not appeared as yet. -- Ed As a practical matter, every immigrant needs to master English to be a full participating citizen and to have full economic opportunity. -Sen. Richard Lugar ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
On 10/29/2009 8:52 AM, Ken Rudolph wrote: Ken Rudolph wrote: I'm having trouble with my bank's billpay. They don't accept the SeaMonkey 2.0 browser, and it even crashes the browser. It used to be in SM 1.1.18 that I could spoof IE or Firefox (or even permanently change the User-Agent in the config file). But now the Tools menu doesn't even have a temporary spoofing option. Any work around for this with SM 2.0? Could somebody walk me through the procedure of modifying the configuration file if that's the best fix? I did report this problem to the SM project. Here's the message I get which freezes my browser doesn't even allow the Back button to operate: The browser you are using is not currently supported by Wachovia Online BillPay. For best results and to ensure accuracy, we recommend you use one of the following supported browsers: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (download for Windows XP) * Firefox 3 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Apple Safari 4 (download for Mac OS X 10.5.x) I seem to have solved this for the time being by adding Firefox/3.5.4 to the general.useragent.extra.seamonkey line in about:config. Am I causing any potential permanent harm with this? --Ken Rudolph If you had a menu bar or tool bar option for this in SM 1.1.x, you must have installed an extension to provide that capability. This was not and is still not an inherent SeaMonkey capability. As does Bankston, I use the PrefBar extension for this; but there are other extensions with similar spoofing capabilities. Having migrated my SM 1.1.18 preferences to SM 2, this morning I updated the PrefBar menulist item for UA spoofing to show: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0, NOT Firefox/3.5.3 Previously, it indicated SeaMonkey/1.1.18. I really think you should indeed install an extension to do this and not make the Firefox portion permanent. Good extensions will automatically result in reverting back to your real UA string when you terminate and then relaunch SeaMonkey. This is very important. You want as many Web accesses as possible to show that they were from SeaMonkey and not from Firefox. Otherwise, Web developers will have not incentive to accommodate SeaMonkey. (The proper accommodation is to sniff for Gecko and not for Firefox. The best accommodation is to create Web pages that don't require sniffing.) By the way, your signature should have the -- on a separate line from your name. And that's dash-dash-space, not merely dash-dash. See RFC 3676 at ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3676.txt. For an example, see my signature immediately below. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: opening tabs in background AND in new tabs in an existing window
On 10/29/2009 09:41 AM, dirk wrote: Hi, since the beginning of using SM (after Netscape Suite), when I simply clicked a link from in the SM mail program, it would open the link in a new tab from an existing window, and the browser program would NOT be placed in the foreground, but nicely stay in background too, so I didn't have to switch back to the SM mail program every time to open another link. I didn't even have to use the RIGHT CLICK option, just click left once and go. Any suggestions on how to do that in SM 2.0? Thanks, DJ. I think what you are looking for is: Edit|Preferences|Browser|Tabbed Browser|Link open behavior Links from other applictions|A new tab in the current window ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
On or about 10/29/2009 3:39 PM, BeeNeR typed the following: On or about 10/29/2009 7:12 AM, BeeNeR typed the following: SNIP Image of this window can be found in mozilla.support.screenshots Evidently the moderator of mozilla.support.screenshots is on vacation. The screenshot has not appeared as yet. Amazing - mozilla.support.screenshots just disappeared from news.mozilla.org -- Ed A citizen can hardly distinguish between a tax and a fine, except that a fine is generally much lighter. -G.K. Chesterton (1874-1936) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating a Profile
cciaffone wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Haven't you tried: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration Yes I have. I enter the command in the Run box. SM starts in Profile Manager. Not even a hint of the migration wizard. Hey!! I ran seamonkey.exe -migration with no profile name and the migration wizard started! The two profiles it let me migrate were Default and the myprofile I created previously. The migration wizard ran and now I have a legitimate myprofile profile -- I hope. Serially -- has this stuff really been tested?? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SAVE AS Functionality Gone
I normally save copies of online invoices and other data using the SAVE AS feature in the Save Page As, Save Target As and Save Image As. I see that all three have been removed from SM 2.0. This presents a real inconvenience in that I can no longed edit on line and then save to a file name I chose and to a location I chose. I can only save the original to the default file download location. This is not what I was expecting from SM 2.0 as it has been and, I thought, is supposed to be a Suite with all the bells and whistles. PLEASE put these functions back to allow those of us who use Seamonkey as a development tool to continue to do so. I do appreciate and thank all involved for the effort that goes into the development of this product but I do not understand the 'dumbing down' of the product. -- Stan Gondek Multi Path Communications http://www.m-p-c.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SAVE AS Functionality Gone
stango wrote: I normally save copies of online invoices and other data using the SAVE AS feature in the Save Page As, Save Target As and Save Image As. I see that all three have been removed from SM 2.0. This presents a real inconvenience in that I can no longed edit on line and then save to a file name I chose and to a location I chose. I can only save the original to the default file download location. This is not what I was expecting from SM 2.0 as it has been and, I thought, is supposed to be a Suite with all the bells and whistles. PLEASE put these functions back to allow those of us who use Seamonkey as a development tool to continue to do so. I do appreciate and thank all involved for the effort that goes into the development of this product but I do not understand the 'dumbing down' of the product. It isn't gone. I right clicked on an image link, and had both Save Image As, and Save Link Target As, as options. I clicked on a link to a pdf, and had both Save Link target As and Save Page As for options. The File menu also has Save Page As for an option. Can you go into a little more detail on your problem, maybe with a couple of examples of where it is not working for you? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another email query
Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Bob Minchin wrote: Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: When i use my windows live hotmail webmail account with seamonkey 1.1.16 and earlier, I can read my email but when I try to compose mail, I cannot write the text of the mail. The mail account works fully with Firefox so the hotmail end looks like it is configured OK. Can anyone throw any light on this please. TIA Bob why can't you compose? What happens? What error messages, if any, do you get? When you click on compose, what happens? The reply window opens but I cannot type in it Have you tried changing the user agent to pretent to be FF and see what happens? Sorry I don't understand this part. Bob yup, it seems they're browser sniffing. That means they're sniffing to see what browser you're using, and if you're using anything besides IE or FF, then you're SOL. It just won't work with SM. One way around this is to change you're user agent. The UA tells the world what browser you're using, and what operating sytem you're using. For example, your UA is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090403 SeaMonkey/1.1.16 This tells me you're using winXP [thats NIT 5.1], you're using the US version of SeaMonkey, version 1.1.16. If you install the UA Switcher, then you can change your UA and pretend you're another browser, and a nother operating system. You can get it here: http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher/ Thanks Peter, I'm now pretending to be Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 and all seems to be working. Bob Having upgraded to SM2, The user agent switcher has disappeared. This seemed to be necessary to be able to compose Hotmail messages. I tried to reinstall the add-in to SM2 and apparently it is incompatible with SM2. So what is the solution to composition of hotmail messages under SM2 (please don't say Don't use Hotmail as that is not an option for me). TIA Bob Having searched around, It appears that the author of User Agent switcher has been unwell and when he is better, will be testing and subsequently releasing a version for SM2. Bob OK I know it is bad for to answer your own question but I thought it might be of interest to others. While you wait, PrefBar does have UA switching capability. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing in SM 2.0
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/29/2009 8:52 AM, Ken Rudolph wrote: Ken Rudolph wrote: I'm having trouble with my bank's billpay. They don't accept the SeaMonkey 2.0 browser, and it even crashes the browser. It used to be in SM 1.1.18 that I could spoof IE or Firefox (or even permanently change the User-Agent in the config file). But now the Tools menu doesn't even have a temporary spoofing option. Any work around for this with SM 2.0? Could somebody walk me through the procedure of modifying the configuration file if that's the best fix? I did report this problem to the SM project. Here's the message I get which freezes my browser doesn't even allow the Back button to operate: The browser you are using is not currently supported by Wachovia Online BillPay. For best results and to ensure accuracy, we recommend you use one of the following supported browsers: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (download for Windows XP) * Firefox 3 (download for Windows Vista and XP) * Apple Safari 4 (download for Mac OS X 10.5.x) I seem to have solved this for the time being by adding Firefox/3.5.4 to the general.useragent.extra.seamonkey line in about:config. Am I causing any potential permanent harm with this? --Ken Rudolph If you had a menu bar or tool bar option for this in SM 1.1.x, you must have installed an extension to provide that capability. This was not and is still not an inherent SeaMonkey capability. As does Bankston, I use the PrefBar extension for this; but there are other extensions with similar spoofing capabilities. Having migrated my SM 1.1.18 preferences to SM 2, this morning I updated the PrefBar menulist item for UA spoofing to show: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0, NOT Firefox/3.5.3 Previously, it indicated SeaMonkey/1.1.18. I really think you should indeed install an extension to do this and not make the Firefox portion permanent. Good extensions will automatically result in reverting back to your real UA string when you terminate and then relaunch SeaMonkey. This is very important. You want as many Web accesses as possible to show that they were from SeaMonkey and not from Firefox. Otherwise, Web developers will have not incentive to accommodate SeaMonkey. (The proper accommodation is to sniff for Gecko and not for Firefox. The best accommodation is to create Web pages that don't require sniffing.) I don't think it's my job to try to educate web developers. I'm a pragmatist who just wants to be able to access my bill pay web site. I wish web developers would sniff for Gecko, of course...but I can't see my paltry browsing having any affect on them. By the way, your signature should have the -- on a separate line from your name. And that's dash-dash-space, not merely dash-dash. See RFC 3676 atftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3676.txt. For an example, see my signature immediately below. David, I never have intended that my signature be wrtten as a sig.file, so I intentionally don't put the -- on a separate line. It's just a plain old signature. But I appreciate the advice, even if I have no intention of changing a 28 year habit of e-signing my posts... --Ken Rudolph -- No sig.file is meant to appear here. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating a Profile
cciaffone wrote: cciaffone wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Haven't you tried: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration Yes I have. I enter the command in the Run box. SM starts in Profile Manager. Not even a hint of the migration wizard. Hey!! I ran seamonkey.exe -migration with no profile name and the migration wizard started! The two profiles it let me migrate were Default and the myprofile I created previously. The migration wizard ran and now I have a legitimate myprofile profile -- I hope. Serially -- has this stuff really been tested?? So what am I doing wrong. I installed SM2, started it got no migration wizard. I've tried the manual migration as stated above several times still no migration wizard. I can get profile manager, but no way to import profiles from what I've read just copying the old stuff from 1.1.18 into the folder doesn't work. Any more suggestions. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Old profile
So apparently SM 2.0's profile is in a new folder called Application Data|Mozilla|SeaMonkey|Profiles. I believe my old SM 1.1.18 profile is in Application Data|Mozilla|Profiles|default. I backed up that folder to another hard drive yesterday, just in case. I've also uninstalled SM 1.1.18. Is it now safe to delete the entire folder Application Data|Mozilla|Profiles? -- Ken Rudolph ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Old profile
Ken Rudolph wrote: So apparently SM 2.0's profile is in a new folder called Application Data|Mozilla|SeaMonkey|Profiles. I believe my old SM 1.1.18 profile is in Application Data|Mozilla|Profiles|default. I backed up that folder to another hard drive yesterday, just in case. I've also uninstalled SM 1.1.18. Is it now safe to delete the entire folder Application Data|Mozilla|Profiles? You are sure that you have a backup of the profile, so sure. It is not used by 2.0, and would only be useful if you restored 1.1.18. If you decide to, you could restore from the backup. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating a Profile
cciaffone wrote: cciaffone wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Haven't you tried: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration Yes I have. I enter the command in the Run box. SM starts in Profile Manager. Not even a hint of the migration wizard. Hey!! I ran seamonkey.exe -migration with no profile name and the migration wizard started! The two profiles it let me migrate were Default and the myprofile I created previously. The migration wizard ran and now I have a legitimate myprofile profile -- I hope. Serially -- has this stuff really been tested?? Yes. But however thoroughly software is tested, some people will always encounter problems. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2 on my Mac - No Go
Leonidas Jones wrote: roger.me...@adm.unige.ch wrote: David L. Ross wrote: Sorry buts that about as detailed as I can get as to what's wrong. Mac G4 1.25SP 2GB OS 10.4.11 Was using SM 1.1.14 Zipped the old Mozilla folder in ~/Library just in case. Ditto renamed SeaMonkey.app to SeaMonkey old.app Drop installed SM v2 Started it up, it asked me if I wanted to convert old stuff to new. I said yes. Note I have 7 mail accounts (6 imap, 1 pop) and 2 news accounts (of of them this site) First start Got a browser window. Did Cmd2 and no mail window. But there was a 2 with no description in the Window menu. Waited a bit. Tried Cmd2 a few more times. Then tried to quit. Menu command activated but nothing happened. Tried both CmdQ and menu pick. Nada. Restarted. Second start Now I can get a mail/news window. But I can't do anything with it. Menu items flash if you pick them. But nothing happens. Clicking on Account settings and such do nothing. I can open up main settings window but many of the choices yield a blank space on the right. Still can't quit. So I restart again. Third start Now I can get into preferences. They seem to do things. Ditto mail account settings. But some accounts will not check email. Other things odd. Still can't quit. Restart AGAIN. Forth start I get further but when I try and walk through email account settings many (most?) windows on the right seem to display some XML code in 50pt type. Still no quit. Restart AGAIN. Now I fire up SeaMonkey old and send this. Any ideas? Unfortunately no. I've had the same problems on a MacPro 3GB OS 10.5.8. SM 1.1.18 works perfectly to access 9 email accounts, 4 news servers, bookmark with 2900 entries and 550 MB in local folders. SM 2.0 hangs, crashes, display numbers with no description in the Window menu, refuses to display preferences, etc.. After several restart and reboot, I drop SM 2.0 and revert to the previously renamed SeaMonkey.1.1.18.app I've run SM 2.0 without problem on a Windows XP system with a single email account, few bookmark entries and local folders almost empty. I don't know yet what makes SM 2.0 unusable on MacOs. EM I've got SM2.0 running without issue on 6 Mac OSX machines, so it is far from a universal problem. As I tried to point out I may not be normal. In addition to all the accounts mentioned above I have about 2 displays worth of filters to sort out email from various mail lists I'm on. But no plug ins. :) So creating the profile by hand means an afternoon or more. (Did the change the way you pick a folder for filters to file into? The one looong list is a real pita for me as I have about 200 folders.) David ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Migrating a Profile
desertgal wrote: cciaffone wrote: cciaffone wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Haven't you tried: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration Yes I have. I enter the command in the Run box. SM starts in Profile Manager. Not even a hint of the migration wizard. Hey!! I ran seamonkey.exe -migration with no profile name and the migration wizard started! The two profiles it let me migrate were Default and the myprofile I created previously. The migration wizard ran and now I have a legitimate myprofile profile -- I hope. Serially -- has this stuff really been tested?? So what am I doing wrong. I installed SM2, started it got no migration wizard. I've tried the manual migration as stated above several times still no migration wizard. I can get profile manager, but no way to import profiles from what I've read just copying the old stuff from 1.1.18 into the folder doesn't work. Any more suggestions. Here is the knowledgebase article on maual starting profile migration: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_migration_-_SeaMonkey#Manually_starting_profile_migration It should answer any question, but feel free to post back if you have any trouble. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM1.1.18 to 2.0
On 10/29/09 12:36, BeeNeR wrote: Today I again made sure there was only one profile on my disk. I uninstalled SM2, deleted the Program Files/SeaMonkey directory, rebooted, uninstalled SM1.1.18, deleted the Program Files/mozilla.org directory, rebooted, ran two different registry scanners/repair software and searched the registry for SM leftovers, rebooted again, installed SM2.0. It went through the installatiion, did NOT bring up the 'import wizard' Ed, I don't have a solution for you, but just wanted to point out something which I think you've misunderstood. SM decides whether or not to run the import wizard at start up based on whether there is already a user profile. SM 2.0 keeps it's profiles in a location different (by default) than that used by SM 1. So, by uninstalling SM 2, you didn't actually reset this at all. It's my guess that it's not asking you to migrate because in the SM 2 profile area, there is already a profile. I think if you shut down SM 2, remove the Profile (in the SM 2 profile area only!) and launch SM 2, it will prompt you to migrate the SM 1 profile. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: opening tabs in background AND in new tabs in an existing window
NoOp wrote: On 10/29/2009 09:41 AM, dirk wrote: Hi, since the beginning of using SM (after Netscape Suite), when I simply clicked a link from in the SM mail program, it would open the link in a new tab from an existing window, and the browser program would NOT be placed in the foreground, but nicely stay in background too, so I didn't have to switch back to the SM mail program every time to open another link. I didn't even have to use the RIGHT CLICK option, just click left once and go. Any suggestions on how to do that in SM 2.0? Thanks, DJ. I think what you are looking for is: Edit|Preferences|Browser|Tabbed Browser|Link open behavior Links from other applictions|A new tab in the current window Yes, but that will still open a foreground tab rather then keeping the browser component in the background. From here, if I middle click the link, it opens in a new tab in the browser, with the browser still staying in the background. I honestly don't remember if I had to do any particular tweaks to get it to do that, so far as I recall, it just has. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
