Ant wrote:
Mozilla doesn't update and support Firefox v2.0.0.20
that SM v1.1.18 is based on.
SeaMonkey 1.1.18 is /not/ based on Firefox 2.0.0.20. It's not even based
on Firefox. It's based on Gecko, and a newer version than the Gecko that
shipped with Firefox 2.0.0.20, at that.
Rufus wrote:
SM 2.0 allows multiple profiles - they've just hidden the Profile
Manager without telling anyone...like with a few other features.
What makes you say that? As another reply to your post says, it still
pops up when you have more than one profile. It has never popped up by
default
Pierre wrote:
I downloaded the zip file for Mozilla 1.18 to a folder where I keep
program downloads. When I unzipped it, it automatically installed
itself in this folder, but without an uninstall file to remove it.
It was not installed, hence why you can't uninstall it. As the other
poster
NoOp wrote:
Regarding the size of the buttons; very much agree. There was a dission
over on the mozilla.support.seamonkey group prior to the release of SM
2.0. Maybe they'll be adjusted in 2.0.x.
Unfortunately, such things don't get changed in minor releases.
Acharya Swami Rudra Kali Das wrote:
Is there any chance a Classic Theme could be added which would give
the option to keep the same exact look.
You can get a port of the Classic theme on addons.mozilla.org (AMO).
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NoOp wrote:
My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to
where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much
attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder
can find the file by a search if I'm not paying attention and it goes
Daniel wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I downloaded the zip file for Mozilla 1.18 to a folder where I keep
program downloads. When I unzipped it, it automatically installed
itself in this folder, but without an uninstall file to remove it.
It was not installed, hence why you can't
NoOp wrote:
On 11/18/2009 09:03 AM, Benoit Renard wrote:
NoOp wrote:
My apologies; I've also been informed by jens that the bug is related to
where the file has been downloaded *locally*. Sorry, never paid much
attention to that feature as I set downloads to go to only one folder
can find
Daniel wrote:
Talk about Bloat!! In SM 1.x you could just install the SM browser if
that was all you wanted...Now some bright spark has decided that you
MUST install every bit of SM (browser, mail/news, composer, chatzilla,
etc.) or no bits at all.
The browser and composer always had to
Cedar wrote:
When I go to this website with SM 2: www.cattlenetwork.com, I get the
following error message:
XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: /meta.
(snip)
Any ideas what this might be about?
The website is using XHTML, which requires it to be well-formed. But
it's not
David E. Ross wrote:
The page has 762 XHTML errors and 9 (or more) CSS errors. While many
different browsers are designed to attempt to render pages containing
errors, there are limits beyond which such attempts cannot succeed.
They are designed to make such attempts if the pages are HTML.
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Hard to know /what/ this is -- an embedded graphic in the XHTML code???
input type=hidden name=__VIEWSTATE id=__VIEWSTATE value=
[51,256 characters of alphabet soup snipped]
/
Hell, it took IE four minutes just to /display/ all this crap in Notepad.
It's ASP state
obones wrote:
In SM1, when a page is currently loading, the mouse cursor changes to
the Application starting cursor. That is, the arrow with a little
hourglass.
Now in SM2, there is no visual indication on the mouse cursor that the
page is loading.
(snip)
Is there a way to reactivate the
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ant wrote:
On 11/25/2009 12:27 PM PT, Graham typed:
Should close everything. I wonder if there are any good offline defrag
that doesn't require user to run Windows.
There is, it's called Linux. ;-)
Doesn't require defrag, as is true with OS/X as well.
Doesn't that
Phillip Jones wrote:
Problem is they drop support and updates on 1.1.8 as soon as 2 went
gold. so if there are any security problems, it won't be updated.
Please spell the version number correctly. It's 1.1.18, the 18th
security and stability update.
SeaMonkey 1.1.x hasn't been pronounced
Bush wrote:
I'll try again after version 2.5 is released
This is SeaMonkey, not Firefox. We don't do silly .5 version number
jumps. ;)
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Jay Garcia wrote:
Why is a release based on a beta ?
From what I've heard, Thunderbird was taking forever, and SeaMonkey 2.0
was already taking a long time to materialise. Things needed to move
forward so work could start on the next release.
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Phillip Jones wrote:
This is a subject that has been gone over from time to time. In most
groups sniping is recommended.
Don't shoot me!
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Robert Kaiser wrote:
We regret that there are some where this isn't the case and try to help
if we get a clear picture of what went wrong and what can be done. It's
JUNK isn't a such clear picture at all. Sorry.
Like some others, you conveniently mistake John Boyle for Bush, who
created this
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Everyone suggested to bring the regular buttons back, as everyone agrees
that that is better than tiny round buttons stashed to the right.
Wrong. EOM.
No, it's not wrong. Everyone who dislikes the new progress dialog agrees
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus wrote:
Just bring back what was - that was a good design.
In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my
life, design-wise.
Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap
when you don't even use the thing?
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus wrote:
Just bring back what was - that was a good design.
In fact it was probably the worst piece of crap I've ever seen in my
life, design-wise.
Why are you so adamant on keeping your crap over other people's crap
when
Lucas Levrel wrote:
1) force its installation
- in about:config, create a new string general.useragent.extra.firefox and
set it to Firefox/3.5
- in about:config set extensions.checkCompatibility to false
- install from the above link
This isn't how you should go about things. It's a bit
hawker wrote:
Anyone out there a Seamonkey user who was not a Netscape users?
Yup! That's me.
A message board I visited many years back had Linux fan on it who
regularly praised the suite, then known as Mozilla. I tried it, and
never looked back.
Phillip Jones wrote:
I do like the way we had a forms manager as in SM 1.1.x and sad that it
removed because they didn't have the time, energy, know-how or desire to
do a port of it in the new code.
This is correct.
(Despite all the protestations otherwise by the developers, they decided
Phillip Jones wrote:
Also if some one sends you an image as an attachment that is so large
you have to scroll side to side or up and down the is a menu choice
Autofit and it reduce to fit screen.
That feature has been built-in since SeaMonkey 1.1.x. Open the image
directly (which you
Leonidas Jones wrote:
I'm not seeing any way to get SeaMonkey to zoom just images. From here
it appears to either images and text or nothing.
I'm pretty sure you can still zoom only text.
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Paul Hartman wrote:
some AJAX-heavy sites that don't work entirely properly in Seamonkey for
whatever reason (Facebook, Google Sites, etc).
In FaceBook's case, that's known to be caused by browser sniffing.
Complain to FaceBook to get them to stop this nonsense.
Phillip Jones wrote:
Never mind you still can't see a users point of view.
The user's point of view is irrelevant in this case, and not what we
were talking about. It was a development issue, plain and simple.
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Leonidas Jones wrote:
Phil, in large measure, kept SM 1.1.x usable by his incredible work on
xSidebar and porting Firefox and Thunderbird extensions to work in
SeaMonkey. Without that, 1.1.x was really not a usable piece of work,
at least without Multizilla, which basically converted it to
MCBastos wrote:
Again, it's a matter of manpower. SM *was* going somewhat independently
from Firefox for the last few years, on the 1.1 branch -- and what was
the result? The rendering engine was looking more and more dated every
day, ditto for the Javascript engine and other core stuff.
That
NFN Smith wrote:
Daniel wrote:
it's easier just to say Firefox as the majority option, rather than
an XUL browser.
A web browser doesn't need to use XUL to use the Gecko rendering engine.
Look at K-Meleon for a good example. I think Camino doesn't use XUL either.
Jay Garcia wrote:
On 31.12.2009 22:11, compositor wrote:
Hi,
I made this post at MozillaZine community, but was wondering if someone
could answer it here instead.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40t=1675775p=8356645#p8356645
Hope Someone can help!
Please post your
compositor wrote:
I got this plug in called xul msn messenger and I installed it in
Seamonkey, but it won't keep me logged in.
That's weird. It's only supposed to log you out if you were
disconnected. But it can also happen in the case of an error in the main
code. Is there any relevant
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
JeffM wrote:
Devils_Advocate wrote:
I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
I note that you didn't give an example URL.
There are a lot of bozos who are putting up Web pages
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
JeffM wrote:
Devils_Advocate wrote:
I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey,
then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again.
I note that you didn't give an example URL
Hartmut Figge wrote:
David E. Ross:
I was used to setting
alias rm='rm -i'
but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered
rm *
Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered
CTRL-C
But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too
Phillip Jones wrote:
Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with
application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and
choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty
its gone.
This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with
application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and
choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty
its gone
robert.ga...@att.net wrote:
Is there any way to use SeaMonkey for ftp uploads to sites?
I always did it through File Upload File... instead of dragdrop. Is
it possible to still do it that way in SeaMonkey 2.0.x?
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Russell wrote:
The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision to no longer be a simple
browser, but that it must be an ‘all or nothing' suite. So if you need to use
another email client then it will just screw up your whole way of working.
I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors'
Rufus wrote:
...OTOH, finding a product provider which will actually provide service
and/or options to it's user base when they ask is far more important.
I've learned to stop asking. It's about useless...
Some developers do want to listen to users, but they're either 1) busy
on other things
Ray_Net wrote:
I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a
browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they
can use their preferred ones.
The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client,
and this meant that mailto: links will
NoOp wrote:
On 01/29/2010 03:36 PM, Russell wrote:
As someone who's been on the web since the beginning with Mosaic , then
Netscape, then AOL Netscape (ugh) , then Netscape re-born as Seamonkey, it's a
sad day to have to give up and move on,
The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the
Rufus wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a
browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM,
they can use their preferred ones.
The problem with 2.0
JD wrote:
Not to jump in at the hopefully end of this thread, but SeaMonkey is a
Suite of programs. If you just want a browser and a separate e-mail
program then maybe you should try some other programs that better suit
your needs?
SeaMonkey has always been a /modular/ suite. It could be a
Andrea Govoni wrote:
On 01/02/10 09:06, John Doue wrote:
So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to
have the install routine display a notice of our existence? Better
yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu?
Actually, each time you install or update
Andrea Govoni wrote:
Philip Jones is talking about SeaMonkey performance when opening
external links (like links from the mailnews SeaMonkey component) in the
*same window* as opposed to opening them in *new windows*.
Lee tested opening external links in *new windows* as opposed to opening
them
Chris Ilias wrote:
Personally, I've never used the Forms Manager...but the only reason I
haven't that I can determine now that I'm reading so much displeasure
about it's removal is that I couldn't determine if information it stores
is encrypted or not. If it was and a dialog box had told me
Andrea Govoni wrote:
Ray_Net, I promise this is my last message in this thread.
Il 12/02/10 14:58, Daniel ha scritto:
Andrea, Phillip's message, in which he claims New Windows are ten times
faster than New Tabs is 16th in this chain.
So, you are referring to this [1] message.
Well, by
Daniel wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Jens Hatlak wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD*
be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen,
but, sadly, I'm still waiting.
The alteration would have to happen in
Chris Ilias wrote:
On 10-02-23 2:42 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
On 10-02-22 12:34 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
And the developers here have told me to shut up or write my own code,
and that's not an option. I'm not a programmer, so I can't solve the
problem.
* That's
Robert Kaiser wrote:
The progress window flamer community didn't seem to want help,
after all.
They did, just not from you. Don't spin around what actually happened.
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Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Ok Here is the deal:
A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them
as they stand.
These people wish to have changes made.
KaiRo, the original owner of this area has abandoned it due to stop
energy when he tried to make improvements.
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Ok Here is the deal:
A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them
as they stand.
These people wish to have changes made.
KaiRo, the original owner of this area has abandoned it due to stop
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Ok Here is the deal:
A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like
them
as they stand.
These people wish to have changes made.
KaiRo, the original owner
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Phillip Jones wrote:
Benoit Renard wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Ok Here is the deal:
A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like
them
as they stand.
These people wish to have
I find the subject to be inappropriate, considering that it's about the
last release of a branch instead of solely the decision to stop support.
A better subject would have been: SeaMonkey 1.1.19 released, end of
line for 1.x.
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Robert Kaiser wrote:
Benoit Renard schrieb:
As another user demonstrated, the subject line makes
one think that support has been dropped, and that's it.
And that's exactly what the announcement intended to do. Success on all
targets.
Except that your announcement contradicts this, because
Philip wrote:
Tech's all-time top 25 flops
#14 Netscape 6 ...
Well, Netscape 6 WAS a flop. It was based on Mozilla 0.9, if I remember
correctly, which just wasn't suitable for public release.
But the real problem is that Yahoo! Tech assumes the product didn't stop
being bad, which is
John Doue wrote:
Well, this is the only way I know to easily remove extensions for SM1.
It looks like Mnenhy's Chrome Manager hasn't been mentioned much, if at
all, here, then.
As anything, it may not be perfect and occasionally fail to uninstall an
extension, which will then will have to
MalcolmO wrote:
I understand that FireFox has a better bookmark manager.
It has the best one possible! Just drag and drop everything from/to
everywhere, from the document windows, bookmark toolbar, and menus!
There couldn't be anything better.
There is more to bookmark management than
keith_w wrote:
You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as up to date as my Firefox
3.0.4?
In terms of security updates, it probably is. But NOT in terms of
capabilities when it comes to JavaScript and web standards. SeaMonkey
1.1.x is based on the Gecko 1.8.1 backend, while Firefox 3.0.x is
Patches welcome.
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What a load of crock. Every country surrounding Belgium has it, except
Belgium itself! I /still/ can't access the mandatory Hotmail e-mail
address I got from school through POP3, though this time the error
message changed from inbox not available to user does not have POP3
access.
Ray K wrote:
Another problem that may be related. Sometimes, TM shows 100% CPU usage
while I'm attempting to download a page. TM also shows SM as Not
Responding. If I wait 15-45 seconds, SM usually resumes running and the
download completes.
This usually happens if some JavaScript is hogging
INFO WG wrote:
Sadly, another reason all efforts should have been long ago placed on
SM 2.
1) You're assuming that effort on SeaMonkey 1.1.x releases takes away
from efforts on SeaMonkey 2.0.
2) You really want SeaMonkey 1.1.x to not get security releases, leaving
us without a stable,
Jim S wrote:
Why are you/they faffing about with 1.1.anything when 2.0a2 actually works
better?
I don't know about you, but I don't like my suite to eat my e-mail.
Basically, it's not stable.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are concentrating their
efforts on SM2, and couldn't careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only
option I can say is to reboot every now and then.
How about making a post that helps? Especially the first sentence
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
So, trying to find a solution to the memory leak, you won't find it with
SM 1.x
There are always possible solutions that don't necessitate developer
effort. Plug-ins can cause memory leaks. So can extensions. Suggesting
to reboot is not a good solution
It's also worth noting that there are barely any known security
vulnerabilities in the first place.
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NoOp wrote:
:-) didn't say that the 350Mhz runs fast... just said I have Ubuntu
running on one. Xubuntu works better for that machine.
I tried Xubuntu on the same machine. It was still a little slow.
However, a 500Mhz with 768MB is quite reasonable; yes a little slow
(my main system was only
Robert Kaiser wrote:
bug free? Win98? really? Well, if you count knowing the workarounds to
most bugs as that, perhaps.
Don't let yourself fool by popular knowledge. A Win98SE system that's
setup well is reasonably bug free.
reasonably well performing? Have you tried openSUSE, ubuntu or
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
Then again, whats a few seconds. So what if SM is a few seconds slower
than safari.
Those seconds add up quickly.
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John wrote:
Does anyone know how to fix this, other than not using Hotmail? Thanks!
Spoofing your web browser as Firefox 2.0.0.19 or appending
Firefox/2.0.0.19 to your user agent string should make it work.
Bad web browser sniffing is at work.
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tommy.wy...@orkney.com wrote:
I've just installed Seamonkey 1.1.14 on my Windows NT3.51 PC.
Unfortunately when I double click to start the program, nothing
happens... the mouse arrow briefly becomes an hour-glass for a
fraction of a second, then... nothing.
Have you installed the DCOM update?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
as I said, I don't know win NT, so I was only guessing.
Which is why I'm informing you.
As a matter of fact, I can't even remember how win95 works, but I do
know it was there in win98.
Windows 95 is like Windows 98, without Quick Launch and oversized
Robert Kaiser wrote:
I don't see why a computer with an old, outdated, and insecure operating
system needs security updates for its browser for much longer.
Yeah, yeah, enough with the personal vendetta already.
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Leonidas Jones wrote:
None the less, I am in complete agreement with Robert, it is simply not
realistic for the SeaMonkey Project to continue to support Win 98/ME.
Hey, you forgot Windows 95!
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googl...@kwcpa.com wrote:
2) We both agree that, for example, if I write a message in Comic Sans
MS, and want my messages to go out IN THAT FONT (because that's the
way I like people to see my messages)
Welcome to the web. Here, /we/ decide how to view your e-mail messages.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
if you know how to use the userContent.css file, or the Stylish
extension, you can eliminate all the advertising. Thats what I've done
to many sites.
Why not just use Adblock Plus? It not only hides advertisements, it
blocks their download.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
Why not just use Adblock Plus? It not only hides advertisements, it
blocks their download.
it doesn't block everything. Just like my hosts file doesn't block
everything.
What, and your userContent.css does hide everything?
If you're using a
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
most people will find the QL a useless thing. With todays fast
computers, SM starts up very fast. If you have an old and slow
computer, then yes, the QL is great.
Even on old computers QuickLaunch is close to useless. The operating
system caches
raf wrote:
Have tried making SeaMonkey the default browser.
This won't help at all.
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Daniel wrote:
Outlook (with all its virus, worm, trogan permitting problems!!)
Outlook is a vastly different product than Outlook Express, which is the
actual bad program.
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NoOp wrote:
For best web page rendering I'd recommend the pre-released 2.0
You shouldn't recommend an alpha version to an end user. All kinds of
funky things might (and do) occur.
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Ray_Net wrote:
Why not creating a version without vulnerabilities ... i'ts ennoying
to always upgrade, upgrade, and upgrade ...
You talk as if that's possible. :)
Patches welcome.
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John Doue wrote:
The best version is the one you have been using for a while to your
satisfaction.
Not if that version has publicly known exploits that have been patched
in the next version.
The wise man does not rush.
Unfortunately, this isn't really true for security updates, and often
Roger Fink wrote:
You can try doing a search on your computer for bookmarks.html.
Do remember to check the option that makes it search in hidden
directories/folders as well.
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Adam Jimerson wrote:
I am new to this list and I grabbed the latest stable release of
Seamonkey because I am wanting to learn PHP and I used Seamonkey before
liked it so I figured I would grab it and use the composer program but
when I tried to do a simple page it stripped the PHP code from
stan wrote:
There's a really nice and very simple addon that places an X in the
upper right corner of each tab header that can be
used to terminate a tab. I can't find it.
It's right here:
http://users.skynet.be/fa258499/hackedexts.html#tabx
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JR WG wrote:
Exactly the reason that I left the original memo, that Firefox 3.5 RC1
was out in the wild.
Hopefully, this means that SM 2, an obviously even better idea
browser-and-then-some, is ever nearing its own introduction.
This doesn't affect SeaMonkey 2.0 at all, as the problem is
Robert Kaiser wrote:
With that, SeaMonkey stays at the same level of security as its
sibling Firefox 2, which is issuing updates for the same problems this
week as well.
Don't you mean Firefox 3?
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Martin Feitag wrote:
PS: I guess when SM is out, your problem will be solved ;-)
SeaMonkey 2.54?
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Brian Mailman wrote:
I have CCleaner, which seems pretty good at that sort of thing.
CCleaner is great, but it doesn't know about SeaMonkey's extensions. It
only knows about its history, its cache, and its cookies.
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Martin Feitag wrote:
Sunbird seems to be dead after 1.0 beta.
It was announced back in February at FOSDEM that they were going to do
their last release of Sunbird. So yes, it's dead.
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u...@domain.invalid wrote:
Can someone please throw some light as to why SM only displays some
images in Google image search?
You may have blocked a server hosting such images by mistake. To check,
open the Image Manager: Tools Image Manager Manage Image Permissions.
Is an address that
Paul Hartman wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Juergen
Herzjuer...@jherz.redirectme.net wrote:
Hi,
being a long time SeaMonkey user I just noticed Recently Closed
Windows in Firefox. Looking for a bug bringing this feature into
SeaMonkey I found bug 477822. From what's written there, it
Martin Feitag wrote:
At least for me, I am unsure what else might affect this, but when I
delete a site there, it is no longer being suggested in thr urlbar while
typing afterwards.
He isn't asking how to remove it from History so it won't suggest it
anymore. It's about the list that you get
Peter Anton wrote:
I would like to know if there's any way to add more search engines to
the meager list of only 3 that Seamonkey provides
Sure there is! Just visit http://mycroft.mozdev.org/
Note that you have to choose the Apple icon link provided for each
search engine, not the A9 one.
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