SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.7.

This isn't going to be a quick canned notification as there is
significance in this post.

What's so significant?

This could be my last "New release" post here on the newsgroups
(well, unless we release something between now and prior to
newsgroup shutdown).

I can't seem to shake the feeling of the fond memories of
posting here about the new Releases.  First it was KaiRo,
then Callek.  Then me.

A new era will be upon us when we finally find a new
place to post this (well, aside for on the blog).  Hey,
how about I gather everyone's email addresses and spam^H^H^H^H,
post new release updates that way?   :D [You can put down
those pitchforks...  I was just joking... really]

Jokes aside, it's been a blast posting here and I'm certainly
unhappy that it's going the same way as irc.mozilla.org.  But
perhaps the new 'thing' will be better?

Anyway, the end of an era.

[Unless Mozilla changes its mind and say to us "Just kidding,
the newsgroups are here to stay!"]

And as RattyAway [Where are you?] once said..  "Hope springs
eternal.."   [ok.. he might not have said that...  but let's
roll with that.  It's not like he's going to post on here
and rebut thhat ]

I'd like to thank Mozilla for having this medium to allow
us to all talk about SeaMonkey.

"So smoke me a kipper and I'll be back for breakfast!"

Or was it

"Thanks for all the fishes!"


So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.7
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.7/
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seamonkey-dev, and seamonkey-support lists/newsgroups

[Edmund Wong]

Dear All,

If you're not aware by now, please let me state that both the Mailing
Lists and Newsgroups will be decommissioned soon (Early April).

Why?
===

Why indeed.  Tbh, I don't know why.  I would believe it's related
to the overhead of maintenance and such; but whatever the
reasons are, it's a fact.  This is going to go to /dev/null.


What to do?
==

We're in the process of finding alternatives to these methods of
communications.

Yes, I'm quite dismayed at the loss of the newsgroups; but I'm
sure we'll make do with what we come up with as an alternative.

So please monitor any updates to https://blog.seamonkey-project.org.

Thanks!

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.53.7b1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.7b1.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.7b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.7/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.6 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

PS: Yeah, somewhat a canned message.  Currently in the middle of a bunch
of things while doing release, so my apologies.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.6b1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.6b1.

So please check out [1] or [2] for what is changed from 2.53.6b1.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.6
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Re: Updates: General

[Edmund Wong]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
> Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I hope all is well with everyone.
>>
>> I've been spending a lot of time working on the update system.  When I
>> started this project some time ago,  I had just wanted to use the
>> old system and update (pun not intended)it.  Gave up that idea and went
>> for something else.
>>
>> Now fast forward a few years to 2020 after working on this on-and-off.
>> With the release process still being half-manually generated (though
>> the process has gotten a bit faster), I figured I'd tackle this update
>> issue once and for all.
>>
>> I had the intention of setting up the new system such that all versions
>> (2.0 to 2.53.5.1 etc) can update properly.  After getting a simple
>> working prototype running, I realized that it's no longer possible to
>> even update anything <= 2.23.
>>
>> Our update site uses TLSv1.1 or 1.2 (and a better set of cyphers) which
>> these versions don't support and it's no longer possible to patch these
>> versions to support TLSv1.1 or TLSv1.2.
>>
>> It is also not likely that we'd set the update system to use
>> SSLv3 or TLSv1 (thanks to Heartbleed, Poodle, and whatever
>> else) and set to a lower cypher set.
>>
>> Errors:
>>    Version 2.1 to 2.23 gets a 'ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap' error.
>>
>>    Version 2.0x gets a "Data transfer interupted" error.
>>
>>    I haven't tested version 1.x.  or the Mozilla Suite.
>>
>>
>> So, I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't seem possible to
>> update 2.0 to the latest and greatest.
>>
>> Here's a list of versions and their supported status:
>>
>> Versions
>>
>>    o Mozilla Suite, 1.x, 2.0x, <= 2.23  :  Not supported.
>>  [Related gecko versions: 1.8, 1.8.1, 1.9.1, <= 26
>>
>>    o versions >= 2.24:   Supported
>>   [related gecko versions:  >= 27]
>>
>> This is only considering versions as they are; Not the underlying
>> operating system support.
>>
>> That's my update on the updates. [Probably going to be an update to
>> this update that updates on the update...etc... ad nauseum]
>>   We're nearly there.  I just need to make sure that the update process
>> won't update systems that *shouldn't* be updated.  i.e Updating 2.49.5
>> to 2.53 on a Winxp system or, in the case of Linux distros own compiled
>> versions, they also won't be updated. [Though I have been told
>> that Linux distros-own compiled versions won't query the update
>> server.]
>>
>>
>> Edmund
>>
> 
> Just one question to that: I have an ancient profile which I found on an
> unused machine and where I'd like to at least have access to the emails
> there.
> Would a modern Seamonkey be able to understand them; are the profile
> incompatibilities in the email handling, the browser side or in common
> parts such as password handling?  "ancient" certainly means < 2.24 and
> it may even mean < 2.0.
> 

There will definitely be incompatabilities which could cause either
SeaMonkey to crash or the profile getting corrupted.   This would
definitely apply to anything < 2.0.

As for the differences, unfortunately, I don't know the inner
workings of the profile code to tell which part would work and
which part won't.

What I do know is that there was never an automatic upgrade
path from < 2.0 to 2.0.   It was always manual.

I think the best way is to backup the profile, and upgrade
SeaMonkey manually from < 2.0 to 2.0, then 2.0 to 2.1..etc
up until 2.24 (while backing up the profile as you go).

Again, I apologize for not being too specific or helpful.

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Re: Updates: re: 2.49.5

[Edmund Wong]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> This is a quick specific mention for version 2.49.5.
> 
> There are no updates to this version.  There are updates to 2.49.4.
> Just none to 2.49.5.  Users hoping to update to this
> version will need to update manually.

Further to my post, I'm currently working on a minor patch
between 2.49.4 to 2.49.5.

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Updates: re: 2.49.5

[Edmund Wong]

Hi All,

This is a quick specific mention for version 2.49.5.

There are no updates to this version.  There are updates to 2.49.4.
Just none to 2.49.5.  Users hoping to update to this
version will need to update manually.

Why?

Because 2.49.5 was a difficult version (at least for me) to release
as I hadn't gotten any new release process set properly.  I hadn't
even (still haven't,  really) gotten the whole release automation
working, so IanN and FRG had to manually do that build.

So while I had uploaded the binaries, I had forgotten the updates.
While the Linux and mac updates can still be uploaded (they hadn't
been clobbered),  the windows versions need to be regenerated.
That is my fault, and I do apologize.  It is inconvenient,
especially when I'll have the update system set up properly;
but what's done is done.

Given that regenerating the whole shebang would be difficult(
the build environment requirements are not the same as that
for the latest versions),  it wouldn't be a very efficient
use of a very limited resource group.

If and when the release automation is done and can be set
to use different build environments (a very complicated
task...  imo), I don't quite see it being done.

So, that said, if you are planning to update to 2.49.5,
please do so manually.


Edmund
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Updates: General

[Edmund Wong]

Hi All,

I hope all is well with everyone.

I've been spending a lot of time working on the update system.  When I
started this project some time ago,  I had just wanted to use the
old system and update (pun not intended)it.  Gave up that idea and went
for something else.

Now fast forward a few years to 2020 after working on this on-and-off.
With the release process still being half-manually generated (though
the process has gotten a bit faster), I figured I'd tackle this update
issue once and for all.

I had the intention of setting up the new system such that all versions
(2.0 to 2.53.5.1 etc) can update properly.  After getting a simple
working prototype running, I realized that it's no longer possible to
even update anything <= 2.23.

Our update site uses TLSv1.1 or 1.2 (and a better set of cyphers) which
these versions don't support and it's no longer possible to patch these
versions to support TLSv1.1 or TLSv1.2.

It is also not likely that we'd set the update system to use
SSLv3 or TLSv1 (thanks to Heartbleed, Poodle, and whatever
else) and set to a lower cypher set.

Errors:
  Version 2.1 to 2.23 gets a 'ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap' error.

  Version 2.0x gets a "Data transfer interupted" error.

  I haven't tested version 1.x.  or the Mozilla Suite.


So, I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't seem possible to
update 2.0 to the latest and greatest.

Here's a list of versions and their supported status:

Versions

  o Mozilla Suite, 1.x, 2.0x, <= 2.23  :  Not supported.
[Related gecko versions: 1.8, 1.8.1, 1.9.1, <= 26

  o versions >= 2.24:   Supported
 [related gecko versions:  >= 27]

This is only considering versions as they are; Not the underlying
operating system support.

That's my update on the updates. [Probably going to be an update to
this update that updates on the update...etc... ad nauseum]
 We're nearly there.  I just need to make sure that the update process
won't update systems that *shouldn't* be updated.  i.e Updating 2.49.5
to 2.53 on a Winxp system or, in the case of Linux distros own compiled
versions, they also won't be updated. [Though I have been told
that Linux distros-own compiled versions won't query the update
server.]


Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.53.5.1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.1.

So please check out [1] or [2] for what is changed from 2.53.5.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5.1
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SeaMonkey 2.53.5 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5.  While it was actually released on the 14th, I've only
gotten the chance of posting this today.  My apologies.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Further to note that due to some issues(I would believe bugs, though I
am hand-waving the details), the team is now preparing to get 2.53.1
out.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.5b1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.5 Beta 1.

So please check out [1] or [2].


Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.5b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.5/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.4 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.4 final.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am *still* working on it.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.4
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.4/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.4 Beta 1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.4 Beta 4.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am *still* working on it.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.4b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.4/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.3 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.3.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am *still* working on it.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.3
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.3/




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Re: Has SM 2.52 Done Something To Windows Explorer Or Is The Problem Elsewhere?

[Edmund Wong]

Henrik37 wrote:
> Since about the time I installed SM2.52 on my wife's PC, the Windows
> Explorer no longer behaves as it used to.

As far as I know, SeaMonkey doesn't fiddle with Windows Explorer or
any of its settings.

> 
> Could the problem be caused by a recent installation of Edge or
> something else?
> 
> Selecting Windows Update takes one to something new called 'Libraries'
> and does not allow a user to thoroughly search through folders and files.

That's strange indeed.  I'm quite surprised that clicking on Windows
Updates would bring you to the Libraries folder.

Can you provide steps to reproduce this issue?

Edmund


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.3 Beta 1 released! [Updated]

[Edmund Wong]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,

Before anyone wonders, no this wasn't an updated post.

Three possible reasons (well.. there a lot of 'possible' reasons... just
one particular true one):

1) I had posted "SeaMonkey 2.53.3 Beta 1 released, but made a mistake so
   I followed up with this post only to realize I hadn't really posted
   the original post.

2) I failed at C old posts.

3) Gremlins.

Take your pick.  It isn't hard to *cough*2*cough* think of any possible
reasons... *Nudge* *Nudge* *wink* *wink* Say no more...

Edmund
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.3 Beta 1.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
> am *still* working on it.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.3b1
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.3/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.2 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Is it just me or was my original SeaMonkey 2.53.2 released post deleted?

Edmund

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SeaMonkey 2.53.3 Beta 1 released! [Updated]

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.3 Beta 1.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am *still* working on it.

Thanks to all involved.

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.3b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.3/




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SeaMonkey 2.53.2 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.2.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am working on it.


Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.2/
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Re: 2.53.2b1 sources

[Edmund Wong]

BERTRAND Joël wrote:
>   Hello,
> 
>   If I remember, 2.53.2 should be built on FreeBSD. But where are sources
> ? Link provided on https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2b1
> (https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.2b1/source/seamonkey-2.53.2b1.source.tar.xz)
> returns 404 error...
> 

I have fixed this issue.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Edmund
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Re: 2.53.2b1 sources

[Edmund Wong]

BERTRAND Joël wrote:
>   Hello,
> 
>   If I remember, 2.53.2 should be built on FreeBSD. But where are sources
> ? Link provided on https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2b1
> (https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.53.2b1/source/seamonkey-2.53.2b1.source.tar.xz)
> returns 404 error...
> 
>   Regards,
> 
>   JB
> 
Sorry, I goofed up there.

Fixing it right now.  Thanks for the headsup.

Edmund


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SeaMonkey 2.53.2 Beta 1 released! [Updated]

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.2 Beta 1.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am working on it.

Thanks to all involved.  Namely kudos to IanN and FRG for their hard
working at doing the builds once again.  Their tireless work on the
builds have been well noted.  FotF material. :)

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.2/

PS: Website page updated, so thought I'd post an updated post.


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SeaMonkey 2.53.2 Beta 1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.2 Beta 1.

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
am working on it.

Thanks to all involved.  Namely kudos to IanN and FRG for their hard
working at doing the builds once again.  Their tireless work on the
builds have been well noted.  FotF material. :)

Edmund

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.2/

PS: Any screw ups is due to my incompetence and does not reflect the
project or its members.  While I've tried to ensure the files are
'ok';  the upload process is between a manual process and an automated
one.  I'd guess one or the other would throw a hissy fit.  So
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.2 Beta 1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

In my rush,  I had missed the fact that the website changes haven't
been pushed.  So naturally, if you get a 404 on any of the links...
you know who to blame..  oh ..look, the clouds are so beautiful... ;P

(My apologies..)

Edmund

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.53.2 Beta 1.
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.  I
> am working on it.
> 
> Thanks to all involved.  Namely kudos to IanN and FRG for their hard
> working at doing the builds once again.  Their tireless work on the
> builds have been well noted.  FotF material. :)
> 
> Edmund
> 
> Links:
> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.2b1
> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.2/
> 
> PS: Any screw ups is due to my incompetence and does not reflect the
> project or its members.  While I've tried to ensure the files are
> 'ok';  the upload process is between a manual process and an automated
> one.  I'd guess one or the other would throw a hissy fit.  So
> apologies ahead of time.
> 
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.1 released!

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*sheepish grin while pondering on this predictament*

Um.. erm..

Did I mention that you've got a smashing shirt on?

No?  You have a smashing shirt on!

In all seriousnessity (yeah..no such word..), I jumped the
gun.  I should've pushed the website updates and WAITED
for the website to update BEFORE making that announcement.

My bad!

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.53.1 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.1!

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.

Thanks to all involved,

Edmund

NB: Personal note, I've never understood the concept of the
archive.mozilla.org caching.  While I've uploaded all the stuff to
releases/2.53.1/, I'm still seeing only the top 4 text files and
langpacks + linux* paths.   No mac, win32 or win64 or updates.
So maybe I'll need to wait.  Please check.  (I'm hoping I hadn't
screwed up somewhere... I mean.. it *isn't* the first time
I've uploaded to archive...  *sigh*)


Links:
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SeaMonkey v2.53.1b1 is Released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.53.1b1!  It's the first beta in the 2.53 series.

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.53.1b1, see the
What's New in SeaMonkey 2.53.1b1 section of the Release Notes [2], which
also contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.1b1
[2] - https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.1/
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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[Edmund Wong]

Gunther Nikl wrote:

>> I'm not sure.  Will need to ping someone at Mozilla as the blog is
>> hosted by Mozilla (for now).
> 
> Thank you for considering my inquiry. Its not that important, but still
> would
> be nice. However, if the blog is hosted by Mozilla then I am sceptical that
> they are inclined to change their setup.

Ah, a fellow skeptic.  :)

Edmund
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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[Edmund Wong]

Gunther Nikl wrote:
> Edmund Wong wrote:
>>>> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/12/19/updating-everyone/
> 
> (Slightly) OT but is it possible to offer the blog also with TLSv1 using
> ECC ciphers (ecdhe_ecdsa_aes)? The main site of seamonkey-project.org is
> accessible with TLSv1.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gunther
> 
Hi Gunther,

I'm not sure.  Will need to ping someone at Mozilla as the blog is
hosted by Mozilla (for now).

Ah...and thanks for the reminder...   we need to move the blog out as
well.

Edmund
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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

[Edmund Wong]

Daniel wrote:
> Ant wrote on 19/12/2018 12:13 PM:
>> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/12/19/updating-everyone/
> 
> Thanks for the link, Ant.
> 
> And EWong and Co, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for all your past
> efforts.
> 
> As Alex said on the blog ...
> Quote
> I keep hope for this project, and trust the SeaMonkey team to find a
> good way to continue it despite the many problems.
> It’s hard nowadays for you all, and I’m sad that I don’t have the skills
> to help you.
> 
> If it’s necessary to keep SeaMonkey alive, take your time.
> Hang in there…
> End Quote
> 
> My *only* complaint about SM is with the ever increasing sub-version
> numbers, .48, .49, .53, .57, etc!! Can I suggest, if you do go with the

To be honest, I"m also tired of the increasing version numbers.  It's
silly and it's a relic from the rapid train release days.

I've always preferred the ol'  small # increments.  i.e. 2.1a1, 2.1b1
2.1rc1, and finally 2.1 :)

Unfortunately, we can't change it to, say 3.x as it represents something
new and improved.  Of course, we can always change how we represent
versions.  But that's for another discussion.

Best Regards,

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey web site problem?

[Edmund Wong]

Mort Linder wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  When I click onto SeaMonkey, my Windows 7 laptop cannot find it. Yet,
> when I type an URL into the upper toolbar,it works.
> 
> What is happening?
> 

Short form:
I happened. I goofed. I fixed.

Long Form:

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/09/12/website-is-up-down-up-what/

This morning, I got an email that the dns was changed and was now
pointing to the new website.   Yay!  I went to the website and upon
seeing that error message, I freaked.  Well. Not really freaked, but
... well.. yeah.. semi-freaked?

Anyway, it's back up.

Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

Edmund



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Re: seamonkeyblog: End of an era… SeaMonkey’s old infrastructure.

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/09/11/end-of-an-era/
> 
> Can't wait to see the future of SeaMonkey. I wonder if this means no
> more minor v2.49.x releases with security fixes. :(

No, it just means that we'll release the v2.49.x when we get
this mess cleared up.  And by "mess", I mean the new infrastructure
which is unfortunately, taking a lot longer to get running
properly than I had anticipated.

Mainly because I'm also trying to incorporate the build config
changes to be able to build both comm-as-topsrcdir and moz-as-top.

I do apologize for the delay.

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SeaMonkey 2.49.4 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.49.4!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.49.4, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.49.4 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

As with previous releases, updates are still not working.  With this
release out the door, I'm splitting up myself between getting the
updates working and getting the new infrastructure building.

Best Regards

:ewong


Links:
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[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.4/


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Re: Seamonkey Composer to Be Discontinued?

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> On 5/15/2018 3:46 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>  > I say on your May 14th Seamonkey Meeting Notes that Seamonkey
>> Composer may be discontinued?
>>
>> Where did you see this? I wrote the notes and this is not mentioned
>> anywhere.
>>
>>  > There was an enquiry by Mozilla if the Composer standalone product
>> in Bugzilla
>>
>> I just added a clarification here in case you meant this.
> 
> I saw it too.
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2018-05-13#Action_Items was
> where I saw it.

The removal is of the Composer component/product in
Bugzilla.mozilla.org, and not the actual application.
We're planning to move the Composer product in Bugzilla
under SeaMonkey::Composer.

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.49.3 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.49.3!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.49.3, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.49.3 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

It's been a very difficult release (but it still can't compare with
2.46...  )


Links:
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[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.3/
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Re: Slowdowns over time when using SeaMonkey

[Edmund Wong]

Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> 
> Is this kind of hanging/freezing/slowdown a known thing? Is there a
> bugzilla bug (or bugs) that cover this issue? Is there anything that can
> be done to mitigate or work around the issue? Could one of my plugins (I
> use Addblock, ChatZilla, DOM Inspector, Geolocater, JavaScript Debugger
> and User Agent Switcher as extentions plus Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D,
> Silverlight, Window Live Photos and Flash as plugins) be the cause of
> the problems?

I get this too on 2.49.2, Win8.1 64bit and it is frustrating me to no
end.

To be honest, it has gotten progressively bad since 2.46. :(  It's
either an optimization issue or something in how we use the backend
isn't working well.  I have zero idea/clue as to what's bugging this.

Frank, got any ideas?  Or do we need to tweak our mozconfigs to
build SeaMonkey 'better'?  (The mozconfig setup in m-c's browser/
requires some time to unravel the spaghettiness.  Kinda reminds me
of BASIC programming..) ;P

Edmund
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Re: Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2018-08

[Edmund Wong]

NoOp wrote:
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-08/
> Out of bounds memory write while processing Vorbis audio data
> ANNOUNCED
> March 16, 2018
> IMPACT
> CRITICAL
> PRODUCTS
> Firefox, Firefox ESR
> FIXED IN
> Firefox 59.0.1
> Firefox ESR 52.7.2
> 
> Also see:
> https://www.securityfocus.com/bid/103432
> 
> What version of ESR is SeaMonkey 2.49.2 using?
> 
> 
ESR 52
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Re: running Seamonkey 2.49.3 Windows 64 bit

[Edmund Wong]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> 
> I really wish the developers would start producing official 64 bit
> versions of Seamonkey. How many people are still using a 32 bit version
> of Windows? Since Windows 7, 64 bit has become the standard Windows
> version, older Windows versions are becoming obsolete now. I would guess
> that the majority of Seamonkey users has a 64 bit version of Windows on
> their computer.

2.49.3?

Where did you get this 64bit package from?

I am working on making official packages for both Linux64 and Windows64.
It is unfortunately going slow as there are a lot of stuff happening
at the same time.

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.49.2 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> After a not so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
>> Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.49.2!
>>
>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>
>> Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.
>>
>> Thanks to all involved,
>>
>> Edmund
>>
>> Links:
>> [1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.49.2
>> [2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.2/
> 
> There doesn't seem to be a 64 bit Windows versions anywhere, not a
> nightly build either.
> 
> Is there a workable 64 bit version that can be recommended?

At this point in time, there is no Win64 release build.  There's
still a bunch of stuff that needs to be done to enable it.


Edmund

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SeaMonkey 2.49.2 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

After a not so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.49.2!

So please check out [1] or [2].

Updates are still not available via Check-for-updates unfortunately.

Thanks to all involved,

Edmund

Links:
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[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.49.2/
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.2 is coming soon!

[Edmund Wong]

Luis Carlos González Moráles wrote:
> If web addons have to be implemented, could that veresion be SeaMonkey 3?

If you mean WebExtensions as a SeaMonkey 3.0, that is definitely
a possibility.

> The 2.x versions have like 9 or so years that are developed:
> I'm a blind user, so advanced things to me didn't affect me.
> So what happen to the development?, Com on, sea monkey, com on!

Well, we're playing catchup with the changing code within the
Gecko codebase and since we only have like a handful of
developers working on it, it is difficult to keep up.

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.2 is coming soon!

[Edmund Wong]

Daniel wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/02/06/quick-update/ and
>> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2018/02/05/next-release-is-2-49-2-and/
> 
> Humm!! Should we be worried that Ewong twice mentions "touch wood"?!? ;-P
> 
Well...  I'm always a skeptic when it comes to smooth sailing releases
as I know, Murphy is *always* on the prowl.

But yeah.. cynical skeptic... that's me.

:ewong
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Re: Android?

[Edmund Wong]

rickman wrote:
> Nothing for Android?  I'm looking for a newreader for a tablet.
> 

As much as we like to have support for multiple operating systems
(including Android and iOS), unfortunately, we don't have the
resources to add support for Android and/or iOS.

Perhaps we may one day support Android and/or iOS, who knows?

Imagine this a mobile SeaMonkey.. That would be sweet!

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.1 is out!

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> Well almost!
> 
> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2017/11/04/2-49-1-is-out/
> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2017/11/04/404-error/
> 
> Maybe more in https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/ soon.


I am waiting for some response regarding the external
infrastructure and see if it's something that was
bugging it.

Sorry for the delay.

Edmund
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moderation

[Edmund Wong]

Hi all,

Was reading mozilla.support.seamonkey and thought to myself,
"geez.. there's certainly a lot of spam..  where's the moderation.."

That's when my internal voice trailed off and said... 'oh'.

So this is a heads-up.  If you see an influx of old messages  you
can blame it on me.  (or the rain, if you wish. :) )

To those affected by this, my humblest apologies.

Edmund
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Re: E MAIL CRASHES ON 2.48

[Edmund Wong]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> It is probably bug 1286613:
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1286613
> 
> Solution is unfortunately to go back to 2.46 and wait for 2.49.1. Not
> sure if we can backport all the parts to 2.48 and do a 2.48.1

It is worth doing that if it fixes problems.

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Re: Cannot contact my router.

[Edmund Wong]

marksatt...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Just updated to 2.48 a few minutes ago.  Now I cannot contact my router at 
> 192.168.11 anymore.  I get a red error screen saying...401 Authorization 
> Required
> This server could not verify that you are authorized to access. Either you 
> supplied the wrong credentials(e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't 
> understand how to supply the credentials required.
> 

If you get a red error screen giving you a "401 Authorization Required",
this means you can connect to your router.  It's just that you didn't
enter the right credentials to access your router.


> I never had a problem before since going to Seamonkey from Netscape.  It used 
> to bring up a dialog box with the password and I just had to click OK to 
> connect to the router.

Try creating a new profile without any add-ons, and log on to your
router.

Edmund
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Re: IMCOIMPATIBLE!

[Edmund Wong]

wwel...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've had problems all day with opening SM 2.48. It took me literally most of 
> the day to figure out what the solution was.
> 
> I have a MAC macOS Sierra 10.12.6 and it appears as if SM 2.48 isn't 
> compatible with the Mac OS I am on.

I'm not familiar with OSX; but, when you install 2.48 on your system,
and run it, what exactly appears?

Edmund
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win64 contributed builds.

[Edmund Wong]

Hi Everyone,

Just wanna mention that I've generated the very first set of
Win64 builds.

I've set up a schedule to generate both 32 and 64 bit nightlies.

But while it's building 2.53, Win64 isn't officially 'contributed'
until (tentatively) 2.54 (which gives us some time to figure the quirks
of Win64 building).

Please do check it out.  At this moment, I would just download
the ZIP file (as opposed to the Installer... unless you're running
it on a spare computer.)

http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/seamonkey-2.53a1.en-US.win64.zip

Edmund

PS: Not entirely sure if I generated it right even if the about:support
shows Win64.  So feedback appreciated.  (Getting a bad feeling I
did something wrong...)
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SeaMonkey 2.48 released!

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.48!

So please check out [1] or [2].

This release would not be possible without the help from a lot
of people; but the person I'd like to thank personally is
Nick Thomas.  With his help on the updates issue, I managed
to get over the horkage in the final verification step.  Thanks
Nick!


We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.

Links:
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[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.48/
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Re: Akalla language pack 2.48 failure

[Edmund Wong]

EE wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that Adrian Kalla's British English language
> pack for SM 2.48 does not work?  No idea about any other of the language
> packs, but that one did not work with his or Mozilla's build of SM 2.48.

l10n repacks have always been a pita to figure out.

Can you clarify what it means by 'does not work'?

Edmund
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Re: Help

[Edmund Wong]

l.thames wrote:
> Unable to send E-mail because "not in form user a host"  How do I correct?

I'm guessing you're entering an invalid email address.

Edmund
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Re: Cannot compile 2.46

[Edmund Wong]

P. H. Madore wrote:
> This is a new issue for me. I was using 2.40 until today. Now I can't use
> anything. Something about "old-configure." Here is the complete
> configuration log:
> 

How are you building 2.46?

Furthermore, what's the contents of:

/home/phm/Downloads/seamonkey-2.46.source/seamonkey-2.46/mozilla/intl/icu/source/common/unicode/uvernum.h?

As I understand it, if it doesn't find your system's ICU libs,
it uses the in-source one.

What's your mozconfig like?

Edmund
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Re: Sea Monkey Won't Start

[Edmund Wong]

Larry S. wrote:
> My wife has SM 2.46 on a Dell laptop using Windows 10. Yesterday it
> worked just fine. Today it won't start. No mail, no browser, nothing.
> Her other programs work perfectly.
> 
> She has restarted the computer at least three times. She checked on task
> manager--one time it showed, and she stopped it (although it still
> wouldn't start). She tried to start it from the list of programs; no luck.
> 
> Any suggestions or ideas? We'd be very appreciative.
> 

How is your wife starting SeaMonkey?  via a shortcut on the desktop
or directly from the Program Files folder?

I don't know if you've tried this; but, go directly into the
folder where SeaMonkey was installed and run the exe directly.

Edmund

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Re: Browser not authentication-capable or authentication failed.

[Edmund Wong]

David C. Mores wrote:
> I am trying to login on my Cisco/Linksys WRT120N home router admin page
> at http://192.168.0.1/ using seamonkey.  I get a pop up window prompting
> for 'A username and password are being requested by http://192.168.0.1.
> The site says: "WRT120N"'  Clicking the OK button after entering the
> info causes the window to close, but pop up again.  Clicking the Cancel
> button results in an error page:
> 
> 401 Authorization Required
> Browser not authentication-capable or authentication failed.
> 
> I think this may be a bug in seamonkey V2.46 Build identifier:
> 20161213183751 because the very same login using the Google Chrome or MS
> Edge browsers work just fine - i.e. a successful router login.
> 

I'm not entirely sure why the build identifier would make any
difference; and since you've tried the safe mode, can you try it
with 2.40?  What about Firefox?

Edmund
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Re: 2.46 update not working

[Edmund Wong]

Ken Rudolph wrote:
> 1)  POP e-mail not updating
> 2)  password manager crashes program
> 
> I need to go back to 2.40 and have downloaded it.  How can I make sure
> that it will use my profile, and how can I stop it from updating to 2.46
> automatically.  Help!
> 
Hi Ken,

Can you clarify what operating system you're running 2.40 on?

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

NoOp wrote:

> Edmund,
> 
> Why is it necessary to reboot the computer when the Windows version is
> installed?
> 
> G
> 
You shouldn't need to reboot.

Edmund
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> On 12/23/2016 12:59 AM, Philipp van Hüllen wrote:
>> Edmund Wong schrieb:
>>> Yes...  BELIEVE IT.. It's out! After so many months..  it's out!!!
>>
>>
>> Working fine so far here (including update):
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:49.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46
> 
> Same for Mac OS X v10.8.5/Mountain Lion and 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 boxes.

How's it running so far on 10.8?

Edmund
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Re: 2.46 version

[Edmund Wong]

John Duncan wrote:
> Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Pat Connors wrote:
>>> In the interim since the 2.40 breach was discovered, I have been using
>>> 2.47 64 bit with no problems what so ever.  Question, when 2.46 is
>>> available for download, should I use it or stay with the 2.47 version?
>>
>> Breach? What breach?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
> I think he's referring to the SVG 0-day javascript exploit

Ah thanks John.

yeah.. the fix has been included in 2.46.

Edmund
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re: 2.46

[Edmund Wong]

Hi All,

(this is a personal note, so any flak should be directed to me only and
no one else).

While this is in the soon-to-be-released release notes, I felt it's
prudent that I post this here.

SeaMonkey 2.46 took it's not-so-sweet time in being released due to a
plethora of issues (I am so damn glad at least others are more on the
ball than I am -- namely frg whose more clear-headed than I am).  That
said, there is one major issue.

SeaMonkey 2.40 will be the *last* version that supports non-CPU SSE
enabled systems.  2.44 (or maybe 2.43) *was* supposed to be the version
that gave users the 'your system will no longer be supported due to
it not having a SSE-enabled CPU' message (or something like that).
Unfortunately, 2.44 was skipped (as was 2.43 and 2.45) and so this
will come to users as a surprise (especially those installing the
full installer).

Since I have no knowledge (we lost this metric awhile ago) of how many
users we really have, I don't know how many are affected by this
and I suspect we won't know unless someone speaks out here or
anywhere.  If you are affected, please use 2.40.

My humblest apologies for suddenly springing this version on the user
base without mentioning it anywhere beforehand (the bug that dealt with
this change slipped off my radar).


Edmund


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

David E. Ross wrote:
> On 12/22/2016 2:13 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Yes...  BELIEVE IT.. It's out! After so many months..  it's out!!!
>>
>> Reading back on 2.40's post, I wrote it was a 'difficult release'...
>> man.. little DID I know.
>>
>> Erm.. oh wait.  the formal post...
>>
>> After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
>> Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!
>>
>> So please check out [1] or [2].
>>
>> Please note that the website information, while updated for
>> 2.40, still requires a bit more work.
>>
>> We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
>> patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
>> and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.
>>
>> Edmund
>>
> 
> I cannot find any checksums for the new version.  I use them to verify
> that the downloaded installer was not corrupted during its travel
> through the Internet.
> 

My apologies.  I missed out (for some reasons) uploading those
checksums.  They should be there soon, if not now.

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Re: 2.46 version

[Edmund Wong]

Pat Connors wrote:
> In the interim since the 2.40 breach was discovered, I have been using
> 2.47 64 bit with no problems what so ever.  Question, when 2.46 is
> available for download, should I use it or stay with the 2.47 version?

Breach? What breach?

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> Really? How will users know there are updates then? Will they at least
> tell them to go to the official web site?
> 
> 
> On 12/22/2016 1:47 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> Just grab the full installer from the website. Update will likely not
>> work for any Windows OS in this release only.
> ...

That's on my TODO list right now.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Yes...  BELIEVE IT.. It's out! After so many months..  it's out!!!
> 
> Reading back on 2.40's post, I wrote it was a 'difficult release'...
> man.. little DID I know.
> 
> Erm.. oh wait.  the formal post...
> 
> After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
> Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!
> 
> So please check out [1] or [2].
> 
> Please note that the website information, while updated for
> 2.40, still requires a bit more work.
> 
> We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
> patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
> and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.
> 
> Edmund
> 

Well... um.. *embarrassed grin*

I'm sure everyone knows that my intention was to s/2.40/2.46/,
in my haste, I just did the c and missed the 2nd part. :(

*sigh*

What I *MEANT* to post:

> After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
> Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.46!
>
> So please check out [1] or [2].
>
> Please note that the website information, while updated for
> 2.46, still requires a bit more work.
>
> We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
> patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
> and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.
>


Though, i have to admit, that last part was certainly applicable more or
less.

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SeaMonkey 2.46 released

[Edmund Wong]

Yes...  BELIEVE IT.. It's out! After so many months..  it's out!!!

Reading back on 2.40's post, I wrote it was a 'difficult release'...
man.. little DID I know.

Erm.. oh wait.  the formal post...

After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!

So please check out [1] or [2].

Please note that the website information, while updated for
2.40, still requires a bit more work.

We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.

Edmund
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Re: are there still official seamonkey betas ?

[Edmund Wong]

Daniel wrote:
> On 15/12/2016 6:40 PM, bdelmee wrote:
>> Richmond wrote on 2016-12-14 22:51:
>>> bdelmee  writes:
>>>
 Hello, I keep seeing people mentioning unofficial dev builds
 and encouraging us to try those and report any issue before
 2.46 comes out.

 I am still using 2.38 as 2.40 had an annoying regression for me,
 which i'd like to check on the next beta and report if still present.

 But - will there be a beta ? 2.38 is 15 months old by now.
 Still works wonder for all i can see but security-wise,
 this is getting a little old.
>>>
>>> There are builds here: (I don't think they are 'unofficial', but they
>>> are for testing.) Scroll down to 2.49a2. I have been using it without
>>> trouble.
>>>
>>> https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-aurora/
>>>
>> thank you Richmond, but i only see alpha versions in that folder.
>>
>> my question remains: does seamonkey still follow a release cycle
>> including public betas ?
>>
> Yes, SeaMonkey does (normally) follow a release cycle that includes
> public Beta testing, but the small team that produces SeaMonkey has been
> having various problems (some derived from FireFox) and, of course, they
> have their usual workloads and family to handle as well.
> 
> The version Richmond gave you a link to *is* an Alpha version (hence the
> "a2" at the end of the Version number.
> 
> I think I downloaded an "official" Win7 WOW 32bit SM 2.46 recently, but
> cannot locate it at the moment, so maybe I was just dreaming!
> 

It should be (officially just as a candidate, but unofficially as a
release)
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.46-candidates/build9/unsigned/

basically.. candidate = unofficial
soon-to-be-released-but-pending-processing release :P

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Re: are there still official seamonkey betas ?

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bdelmee wrote:
> Hello, I keep seeing people mentioning unoffical dev builds
> and encouraging us to try those and report any issue before
> 2.46 comes out.
> 
> I am still using 2.38 as 2.40 had an annoying regression for me,
> which i'd like to check on the next beta and report if still present.
> 
> But - will there be a beta ? 2.38 is 15 months old by now.
> Still works wonder for all i can see but security-wise,
> this is getting a little old.

Hi,

There will be betas..  just need the following to happen:

1) 2.46 is released
2) figure out if the next release is a beta (2.48) or
   release (2.47).
3) do a post-mortem discussion as to what the smeg went wrong
   with 2.46 and why hell broke loose and if it's the
   guy who did the release... he should be sacked!

   oh wait.. that's me.  *sheepish look* ermm..  umm.. Move
along.. nothing to see here. :P

Seriously, we'll need to do #3 and perhaps we'll need to
repeat the same patches to 2.47 or 2.48.   I dunno as
right now, I'm still fighting 2.46...

Thanks for your patience.

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Re: New 2.46 Windows release candidates

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

Fwiw.. please *do* note that those 2.46 candidate builds are just
test builds.  While it does have the sec fix, it isn't the official
candidate until I start spinning build 7.

Edmund


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.46 status updates in blog...

[Edmund Wong]

Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2016/09/28/2-46/
> Does this mean going forward that future releases will be easier for the
> developers to produce or will each release involve this much work?
> 
> BTW thanks for all the hard work getting this release ready.

Well, I honestly hope it won't involve this much work; but due to
a plethora of reasons (infra is sub-optimal, haven't released in a
while, code changes required to build..etc), it is difficult to
know; and changes are coming in faster than we can handle so
it's only when we do a release do we find problems.

Hopefully, once 2.46 is out the door, we can do a post-mortem and
figure out what we need to change in the infra code to not give
us problems.

Thanks for your patience.

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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Edmund Wong]

> 
> Edmund,
> 
> A good explanation.
> 
> So, here's my question: Are there any Gecko alternatives out there that
> aren't changing at a such a furious rate? Something to give us a
> reasonable (and safe) SM but perhaps with a more consistent internal
> interface that would be simpler to integrate with past versions?

There are a few Gecko alternatives out there (Blink, Webkit, just to
name two that I've heard of..  then we come to the murky-i-don't-know
territory that is Trident et. al).  However, changing our interfaces
from Gecko to use anything else is just as difficult to do (and dare
I say, impossible given our resources (or lack thereof)).

And anyway, in this day and age,  we live in an ever-changing
environment and thusly the backend would tend to change accordingly.
(There is a reason for it being called 'rapid release').


> Because I don't like the impression I'm getting that the slope is rising
> and that the trend is not in our favor!

The slope has ALWAYS been rising and until we find more resources to
flatten this slope by brute force *grin*, it's gonna be that way.

"not as much as a slope..  it's more close to a cliff than a slope."
:) (not really funny considering our predicament, but life's short..
gotta laugh at the steep/vertical slopes.. :D)  [kinda taken
from "Bottoms" quote : "Steep?  It's Effing Vertical!"]



Edmund

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Re: Seamonkey release?

[Edmund Wong]

Stephan Thiele wrote:
> Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't really understand why
> there still is no Seamonkey update after the 2.40 release in March,
> almost half a year ago.

No.  Not a stupid question at all.  In fact, it's a very good question.

> I am quite confused that there a nightlies with version numbers
> increasing to 2.48 while there is not even a beta.

I wish there was an easy way of explaining this.  But, as Paul
stated, we're just a bunch of volunteers trying hard to maintain
our sanity with changes coming from Gecko's codebase and the
infra that needs a lot more love.  So all in all, a pretty much
mountain climb.

Excuses/reasons aside... I am really sorry for the lack of releases.

> Seamonkey is my default browser and mail and news program, so I don't

Ditto here.


> like to take any risk of losing my data and mails by using a buggy
> nightly. On the other hand, I see a lot of security updates of Firefox
> and Thunderbird which have been published in the meantime and therefore
> I'm concerned about unfixed vulnerabilities in Seamonkey.
> 
> Any hope?

Sure.  I'm (my opinion here.. doesn't reflect the opinion of the
group) not sure if it will be 2.45  or even 2.46.   But we'll see.

"We shall see We shall see.."

Edmund
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Win32 nightlies

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

Just wanted to mention that after figuring out bug 1271903 (reason:
PEBCAK! PEBCAK! PEBCAK! "kinda"), I've re-enabled to nightlies
for trunk and aurora.   (Until the next bustage... :P )

Now the update here wrt Release, that is blocked by a patch that
needs to be pushed to c-r; but that's now blocked on the tree
being closed.  Once it's opened, someone'll push the (c-b patch
from bug 1092468) to c-r.

Then I'll do a c-r build.

After that, we 'should' be in a 'good' shape to build a release.

[Disclaimer: The above is my update.  Not necessarily reflects
 what will happen in reality.]

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updating to 2.40

[Edmund Wong]

Hi Everyone,

I apologize for the delay in the updates working.

I just want to ask.  Are the updates working? As in
2.35..2.39 can be updated to 2.40?  I received an
email stating that there's still an issue.

Thanks

Edmund

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Re: SM 2.39 -> 2.40

[Edmund Wong]

Desiree wrote:
> On 4/22/2016 7:08 AM, Gerry Hickman wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My SeaMonkey 2.39 is set to auto-update, but it has not updated to 2.40
>> yet? Even "Help : Check for Updates" says there are no updates
>> available...
>>
> 
> We are all still waiting for a fix.  It affects Windows 64 bit users.  I
> posted in the bug when it was thought the problem was fixed when it
> wasn't.  I want internal push so I will continue waiting.

It should be fixed.

Edmund
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Re: README, MD5SUM and SHA1SUM

[Edmund Wong]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> They weren't generated properly at all.  Currently fixing them (though,
> README is online).
> 
> Once again, sorry for the fubar there..
> 
> 
> Edmund
> 

I believe I've fixed this issue.

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updates... *finally*?

[Edmund Wong]

Hi All,

Just wish to announce that I believe the updates are working
now.

Please confirm.  I tried it locally and it looks ok.

Edmund
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Re: Updates...

[Edmund Wong]

Fwiw, I indeedly-do did make a faux-pas...

The update step actually wasn't good and yet, I went
ahead and pushed to the end.

I am certain that this mistake will be rectified,
and those responsible will be punished.  Those
gremlins. ;P

Seriously, I'm sorry for the screw up.  Working on
the fix.

Edmund

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Updates...

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

I guess I did screw something up.  :( (No surprise
there.)

The updates are available for OSX64 and it seems it's
only the complete one.  The partials are also missing and
the Linux and Win32 updates went elsewhere
or didn't appear where they were supposed to.

I'm going back and checking it out; though I do
have a minor sneak feeling I know what I screwed
up with.

I do apologize for this delay.  It should be 'soon'.

Edmund
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Re: No internal updates yet? Re: SeaMonkey 2.40 released

[Edmund Wong]

Ant wrote:
> On 3/14/2016 9:28 AM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> ...
>> BTW IMPORTANT->the Check for updates menu items is broken on the Mac
>> claiming there is no new update.
>>
>> Please go here to find the update
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> No updates found in my very old, updated Windows XP Pro SP3 machine too!
> What's up?

Hmmm.  Just what I kinda feared.  I must've done something
wrong with the partials or update placement. :(

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SeaMonkey 2.40 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!

So please check out [1] or [2].

Please note that the website information, while updated for
2.40, still requires a bit more work.

We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.

It has been a very tough release.  I think it's the
toughest one I've done.  However, this isn't to say that
I did this alone.  Kudos go to a lot of people, particularly
the guys/gals in Mozilla's IT and RelEng dept.

I particularly want to thank Nick Thomas for his sheer
brilliant idea that helped me unhork the partial mar upload
script as well as pointing out the necessary changes
to migrate off FTP to S3.

Thanks to Jens Hatlak for taking the time to do the Website
patch. (Really, sorry for the delay.)

Also, thanks to Justin Wood for giving me this opportunity
to work out the problems myself.  If you all take a look
at bug 1233615,  I think I rivaled the mess I did with
the GTK bug (conveniently forgotten the # :P ).  The
repo changes I made...  oh boy.  Only time will heal
the mess^H^H^H^H wounds. ;P

Anyway, most of all, thanks to all the users out there
for hanging on to this project.  The words of encouragement
(especially during the broken-hand period) definitely gave
me a boost of energy.

Oh.  Before I forget and in the light of being transparent,
there is a chance I might have goofed something up, especially
during the 2.39 Win32 builds as well as the 2.40 builds and
also the partial mar and complete mar updates.  I hope I
didn't screw things up too much, if at all (here's hoping).
Please do post here on your findings.


Anyway, thanks again.


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.40
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/
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Re: Software Update check fails with xml error - Win 7

[Edmund Wong]

Rich Gray wrote:

> Anyone else seeing this??
> 
> My Mac and an old XP system just say that there's no update available,
> as normal.  ewong checked and did not see the problem either.
> 

Should be ok now.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40?

[Edmund Wong]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Firefox 43 has been out for a bit, and has even gotten three point
> upgrades but I haven't seen any mention of a Seamonkey update.  Is the
> Build Engine broken again?
> 

Sorry for the delay.  I've blogged about 2.40.

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2016/01/21/where-is-2-40/

And thanks for everyone's well wishes.  Hand is still in a splint;
but it's recovering.  There's still a small fracture.  Hopefully
I can get this splint off in two weeks.

Typing with one hand is slow.. so I need to use my right hand's
middle finger to help typing.  But uncomfortable as I need to
lift my arm up to type.

'nuff typing. ;)


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Re: "Save View as a Folder..." broken

[Edmund Wong]

Tom S. wrote:
> On 11/18/2015 3:42 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Tom S. wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Before upgrading to the latest version of SeaMonkey (v.2.39), in the
>>> mail/newsgroups/blogs window, under View, I could select "Save View as a
>>> Folder..." after filtering messages with a Search. But now, it doesn't
>>> work. What happened and how do I get it back without going back to the
>>> older version that worked (v.2.35)?
>>>
>>
>> By "it doesn't work", do  you mean it doesn't show the folder
>> name that you've selected in the Choose Folder dropdown box?
>>
>> Or do you mean something else?
>>
>> Edmund
>>
> 
> I am able to put a keyword in the Search Messages box and filter a blog
> based on that. This part still works. But then, I used to be able to
> select "Save View as a Folder" from the View drop down box and it would
> show next to "Create as a subfolder of" the blog folder being filtered.
> But now it only shows a little folder icon.
> 
> It also drops down to show the folders, but if you select one, it will
> still not show anything but the little folder icon. Under "Match all or
> any..." the box it is completely blank. It cannot save the view.

Right.  I can definitely reproduce this.

I've filed bug 1226048.


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2.39 and system hanging

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

Is it just me, or does 2.39 hang a lot?  Especially with
getting email?   After clicking get messages, it'd download
the stuff, and then hang for about ten seconds or so and
then resume (after switching windows on me).  Like say
I am in the 3-pane message window.  I click on "Get Msgs".
It'd download the mail.  Then hang.  Once it resumes,
it jumps to some other browser window.

Mind you, this is with an old profile.  Guess I'll try
it with a new one.

Ed
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Re: Auto-Update "Something is trying to trick SeaMonkey..."

[Edmund Wong]

Gerry Hickman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't fully understand the cause of the issue (client cert, server
> cert, string mismatch), but I did notice some about:config values in my
> own correctly updated 2.38 version.
> 
> I wonder if they change
> app.update.cert.requireBuiltIn
> true -> false
> would it allow them to get past the error and receive the new version?

The basic issue is that around 2.38b1 (iirc), we had changed certs,
so anything < 2.38b1 won't be able to upgrade to the latest version
and will require a full download and install.

So while 2.38 -> 2.39 works,  2.x -> 2.38+  (where x <38) won't update.


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Re: 2.38b1 -> 2.39b1

[Edmund Wong]

Daniel wrote:
> On 9/11/2015 1:43 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Out of curiosity (despite being a little late), is anyone using
>> 2.38b1 and if so, did you get an update for 2.39b1?
>>
>> I just downloaded 2.38b1 and installed it on a separate system.
>> I did a check for updates, but it got nothing.
> 
> Ditto for me, Edmund!


Bug 1223218.


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SeaMonkey 2.39 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.39!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.39b1, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.39 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.39
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.39/
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2.38b1 -> 2.39b1

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

Out of curiosity (despite being a little late), is anyone using
2.38b1 and if so, did you get an update for 2.39b1?

I just downloaded 2.38b1 and installed it on a separate system.
I did a check for updates, but it got nothing.

I'm quite concerned that I might have goofed something up when
I did the 2.39b1 update part.  :(

Any information appreciated

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.39 released

[Edmund Wong]

Edmund Wong wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
> 2.39!
> 
> For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.39b1, see the What's
> New in SeaMonkey 2.39 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
> contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
> questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
> screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.
> 

I goofed up... again.  The above should say "For a complete list of
changes in SeaMonkey 2.39..."   C fail.

My apologies.

Edmund

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.39b1 released

[Edmund Wong]

WaltS48 wrote:
> 
> Short Beta test cycle?
> 
> I see a comm-release build in my RSS feed for comm-release Changelog.
> 

Yes.

Currently spinning 2.39.

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.39b1 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.39b1!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.39b1, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.39b1 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.39b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.39/
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Re: Support For NPAPI Plugins Ends Next Year

[Edmund Wong]

David E. Ross wrote:
> Mozilla is ending support for NPAPI plugins by the end on 2016.
> 

Where is this mentioned?

Edmund

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SeaMonkey 2.39 beta GTK3 issues

[Edmund Wong]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has encountered any issues with
the GTK3 built version of 2.39.

TB and Firefox backed out the necessary manifests[1] in order
to build with gtk3 and I'm wondering if it's necessary
for us to follow suite.

Edmund

[1] - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1207310
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Re: Will there be a 2.38.1?

[Edmund Wong]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Noticed there were a couple of "point releases" for Firefox and
> Thunderbird and was wondering if Seamonkey would be following suit?
> 

I'm not too sure.  I haven't heard anything from Callek.

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.38 released

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.38!

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.38, see the What's 
New in SeaMonkey 2.38 section of the Release Notes [2], which also 
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked 
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and 
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.38/
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.38/
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Re: Something trying to trick SeaMonkey?

[Edmund Wong]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Jay O'Brien wrote:
> 
>> I have 5 computers running Windows 7 and SeaMonkey 2.33.1. My wife
>> and I each use one as our primary mail and browsing computer, the
>> other three are used primarily to display our cameras, and they all
>> have web access.
>>
>> All five of the computers exhibit the same problem. Select "Help",
>> then select "Check for Updates" gets a window labeled "Software
>> Update" that also says "Check for updates" for a split second, then
>> says "Update Failed" and says "Something is trying to trick SeaMonkey
>> into accepting an insecure update. Please contact your network
>> provider and seek help."
>>
>> As I recall, the Check for Updates selection used to take me to a
>> place to upgrade to the latest version, which I believe to be 2.35.
>>
>> What's this all about? Some help, please?
> 
> I had the same problem upgrading 2.33.1 Win7 machines last week. In the
> past, the update check, with my approval, used to automatically download
> and install the latest version and ask me to restart the program,
> without ever taking me to a website. Since both my computers had the
> problem, I simply went to the SeaMonkey website, downloaded the 30 MB
> installer, and installed it manually.
> 
> But I'd like to know what's going on, too. I've never seen this before.
> I sure hope SeaMonkey isn't blocking its own updater...
> 

Nope.  A change in the update certificate.  As Adrian mentioned,  older
than 2.33.1 will require manual upgrades.

Edmund
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SeaMonkey 2.38b1

[Edmund Wong]

Greetings,

Can anyone believe it?  It was only last week that we thrashed and
fought against the problems with the SeaMonkey 2.35 release.  This week,
the SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey
2.38b1.

Please give it a spin.

For a more complete list of changes in SeaMonkey 2.38b1, see the What's
New in SeaMonkey 2.38b1 section of the Release Notes [2], which also
contain a list of known issues and answers to frequently asked
questions. For a more general overview of the SeaMonkey project (and
screen shots!), visit www.seamonkey-project.org.

Thank you

Edmund Wong


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.38b1
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.38/
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SeaMonkey 2.35!

[Edmund Wong]

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

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Re: 2.35 update

[Edmund Wong]

EE wrote:
 Edmund Wong wrote:
 Hi,

 Another update on 2.35.

 1) build3 was 'somewhat' done but needs to be rebuilt due to
 some misconfiguration on my part.  It doesn't mean that
 build3 is a bust.  It isn't.  It's just that it's uploading
 the files to the wrong places. (First time it uploaded was
 to the nightlies tree. :P )

 2) l10n repacks needs fixing.  I've been told it won't
 require a build4(read: Callek's gonna do his cset magic),
 but I guess we shall see.

 3) Once the repacks are done, the *real* work is on getting
 the CVS-based-system-now-migrated-to-Mercurial part of
 the release process working.  But thankfully, this part
 is automated, so I won't be the reason for the slow down.

 Again, thanks for your patience while I work on this.

 Edmund

 I am using build 3 already.  I noticed that it is much smaller than the
 Tinderbox build (which was over 90 MB).  Why the difference in size?
 

Where did you get the tinderbox build?

All the 'real' builds are in the candidates/ area.  If 2.35 is
found anywhere else(as of this writing), it's most likely a mistake on
my part.  I'm wondering if I screwed something up, as there seems
to be some 2.35 release stuff in :

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/tinderbox-builds/

Edmund


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