Re: PennDOT cookie issue (SOLVED)

2016-09-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Had no trouble using Firefox, now let me try SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey also
worked.

Under Tools > Cookie Manager I have "Use Default Cookie Permissions"
selected.

Looking at "Manage Stored Cookies" I see 2 domains "pa.gov" and
"state.pa.us". The "state.pa.us" domain has a PenndotTestCookie stored.

I don't see any cookies with my name, but have 5 from pa.gov and 2 from
state.pa.us.


OK, that led me to the solution!

Looking in the old-style Cookie Manager
, I
discovered that the site
 was listed as "site cannot set cookies." When I deleted
the listing so it
reverted to the default permissions (first-party session cookies
only), the site suddenly
started working.

In principle, this shouldn't have helped since  is
distinct from
 and should count as a third-party site, but whatever.

Thanks a lot!


Also,
Click here first then click the online reg. prompt:
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/vehicle_services/vrlogin.jsp?navigation=true


That was the page I could never get to until I solved the problem, so 
telling me to go there would have been unhelpful. Thanks anyway.


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Re: PennDOT cookie issue (SOLVED)

2016-09-20 Thread Paul in Houston, TX 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:


Had no trouble using Firefox, now let me try SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey also
worked.

Under Tools > Cookie Manager I have "Use Default Cookie Permissions"
selected.

Looking at "Manage Stored Cookies" I see 2 domains "pa.gov" and
"state.pa.us". The "state.pa.us" domain has a PenndotTestCookie stored.

I don't see any cookies with my name, but have 5 from pa.gov and 2 from
state.pa.us.


OK, that led me to the solution!

Looking in the old-style Cookie Manager
, I discovered that 
the site
 was listed as "site cannot set cookies." When I deleted the 
listing so it
reverted to the default permissions (first-party session cookies only), the 
site suddenly
started working.

In principle, this shouldn't have helped since  is distinct from
 and should count as a third-party site, but whatever.

Thanks a lot!


Also,
Click here first then click the online reg. prompt:
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/vehicle_services/vrlogin.jsp?navigation=true

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Re: PennDOT cookie issue (SOLVED)

2016-09-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

WaltS48 wrote:


Had no trouble using Firefox, now let me try SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey also
worked.

Under Tools > Cookie Manager I have "Use Default Cookie Permissions"
selected.

Looking at "Manage Stored Cookies" I see 2 domains "pa.gov" and
"state.pa.us". The "state.pa.us" domain has a PenndotTestCookie stored.

I don't see any cookies with my name, but have 5 from pa.gov and 2 from
state.pa.us.


OK, that led me to the solution!

Looking in the old-style Cookie Manager 
, I 
discovered that the site  was listed as "site cannot set 
cookies." When I deleted the listing so it reverted to the default 
permissions (first-party session cookies only), the site suddenly 
started working.


In principle, this shouldn't have helped since  is distinct 
from  and should count as a third-party site, but whatever.


Thanks a lot!

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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-20 Thread WaltS48 

On 09/19/2016 11:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Once a year, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation sends me a 
vehicle registration renewal notice, inviting me to visit their 
website  to perform the process quickly and 
easily. And once a year I try and fail because my "The service you 
have selected uses non-persistent cookies. Your browser is not 
currently set up to allow non-persistent cookies." This is a lie.


My cookie settings allow first-party cookies and reject third-party 
cookies, and clear all cache, history, and cookies at the end of a 
SeaMonkey session. I also have InternetExploiter 11, with exactly the 
same settings, and the site works. I've confirmed that both browsers 
are accepting cookies.


On examining the cookies set in IE 11, I see one that I don't 
recognize from SM's Cookie Manager. It's called "cookie:paul b. 
gallagher@localhost/" (this is the filename). If I delete it from 
...\Windows\Temporary Files\ and try to proceed, the site immediately 
sets it again and continues as if nothing had happened.


I've tried to contact PennDOT, but their system is designed to prevent 
any contact with their webmaster, so no luck there.


Any bright ideas? Could the two browsers have a different definition 
of "third party"? Is there a way to set SM to accept this weird cookie?




Had no trouble using Firefox, now let me try SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey also 
worked.


Under Tools > Cookie Manager I have "Use Default Cookie Permissions" 
selected.


Looking at "Manage Stored Cookies" I see 2 domains "pa.gov" and 
"state.pa.us". The "state.pa.us" domain has a PenndotTestCookie stored.


I don't see any cookies with my name, but have 5 from pa.gov and 2 from 
state.pa.us.


Have you tried Safe Mode? A test profile?


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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I tried to follow [David Ross's] confusing instructions as best I
could, and they didn't work.

I did terminate SeaMonkey and set cookies.sqlite to read-only.

I did relaunch SeaMonkey and set my cookie preferences to "Allow
all cookies" and "Accept cookies normally."

I did clear private data, which in my settings includes cookies
and cache, but since cookies.sqlite is read-only, that could only
affect memory, which should be clear anyway after a program
restart.

I then visited the DMV site, and the moment I tried to visit the
vehicle registration page it threw the same error, complaining that
it couldn't set nonpersistent cookies.

Why you think it wants to set persistent cookies I don't know;
that's the opposite of what it said. And I never got to the point
of being "done at the PennDOT website," since it refused to do
anything without its precious cookie.

Any other ideas?


Scripts on?  Flash on?  Ad blocker off?


JavaScript is enabled for the browser.

Flash vids are handled by Adobe's native application, though what that 
has to do with this I don't know. None of their pages plays Flash vids.


Just disabled AB Plus everywhere, no joy. Same result as for Jonathan N. 
Little's suggestion:


Set cookies to allow all, tried that link, got the error page, closed 
the browser without clearing anything and retried, got the error page, 
closed the browser without clearing anything and retried, got the error 
page...


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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

I did clear private data, which in my settings includes cookies and
cache, but since cookies.sqlite is read-only, that could only affect
memory, which should be clear anyway after a program restart.


That might trigger it. With allow all cookies following the first time
going to



sent me to the error page.

Left the site but did not clear any settings and tried the url the
second time I landed on Online Vehicle Services Login.


Hm. Set cookies to allow all, tried that link, got the error page, 
closed the browser without clearing anything and retried, got the error 
page, closed the browser without clearing anything and retried, got the 
error page...


Maybe you and I have some other difference in prefs that's controlling it.

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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-19 Thread Jonathan N. Little 
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> I did clear private data, which in my settings includes cookies and
> cache, but since cookies.sqlite is read-only, that could only affect
> memory, which should be clear anyway after a program restart.

That might trigger it. With allow all cookies following the first time
going to



sent me to the error page.

Left the site but did not clear any settings and tried the url the
second time I landed on Online Vehicle Services Login.


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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-19 Thread Paul in Houston, TX 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


On 9/19/2016 8:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Once a year, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation sends me a
vehicle registration renewal notice, inviting me to visit their website
 to perform the process quickly and easily. And
once a year I try and fail because my "The service you have selected
uses non-persistent cookies. Your browser is not currently set up to
allow non-persistent cookies." This is a lie.

My cookie settings allow first-party cookies and reject third-party
cookies, and clear all cache, history, and cookies at the end of a
SeaMonkey session. I also have InternetExploiter 11, with exactly the
same settings, and the site works. I've confirmed that both browsers are
accepting cookies.

On examining the cookies set in IE 11, I see one that I don't recognize
from SM's Cookie Manager. It's called "cookie:paul b.
gallagher@localhost/" (this is the filename). If I delete it from
...\Windows\Temporary Files\ and try to proceed, the site immediately
sets it again and continues as if nothing had happened.

I've tried to contact PennDOT, but their system is designed to prevent
any contact with their webmaster, so no luck there.

Any bright ideas? Could the two browsers have a different definition of
"third party"? Is there a way to set SM to accept this weird cookie?



In your SeaMonkey profile with SeaMonkey NOT running, mark the profile
of the file cookies.sqlite as "read only".  When you then launch
SeaMonkey, set your preferences to allow all cookies.  As soon as you
are done at the PennDOT Web site, the site will think you are allowing
all cookies and that it has written persistant cookies to your hard
drive.  NO cookies will actually be written.  If you are concerned about
having those cookies in SeaMonkey's memory while you surf elsewhere,
terminate and then re-launch SeaMonkey.


I tried to follow your confusing instructions as best I could, and they didn't 
work.

I did terminate SeaMonkey and set cookies.sqlite to read-only.

I did relaunch SeaMonkey and set my cookie preferences to "Allow all cookies" and 
"Accept
cookies normally."

I did clear private data, which in my settings includes cookies and cache, but 
since
cookies.sqlite is read-only, that could only affect memory, which should be 
clear anyway
after a program restart.

I then visited the DMV site, and the moment I tried to visit the vehicle 
registration page
it threw the same error, complaining that it couldn't set nonpersistent cookies.

Why you think it wants to set persistent cookies I don't know; that's the 
opposite of what
it said. And I never got to the point of being "done at the PennDOT website," 
since it
refused to do anything without its precious cookie.

Any other ideas?


Scripts on?  Flash on?  Ad blocker off?
I can't renew of course but I can get to the page that wants title, etc, info.
Had to allow SM to send me to another page:
(Normally I have that function blocked.)
https://www.dot4.state.pa.us/vehicle_services/vrlogin.jsp#top?20160920012844742=20160920012844742

4 cookies from pa.gov and 2 from state.pa.us.

Your plates are cheap at $36!
My 2006 Kia runs $70 here in Texas.

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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-19 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

David E. Ross wrote:


On 9/19/2016 8:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Once a year, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation sends me a
vehicle registration renewal notice, inviting me to visit their website
 to perform the process quickly and easily. And
once a year I try and fail because my "The service you have selected
uses non-persistent cookies. Your browser is not currently set up to
allow non-persistent cookies." This is a lie.

My cookie settings allow first-party cookies and reject third-party
cookies, and clear all cache, history, and cookies at the end of a
SeaMonkey session. I also have InternetExploiter 11, with exactly the
same settings, and the site works. I've confirmed that both browsers are
accepting cookies.

On examining the cookies set in IE 11, I see one that I don't recognize
from SM's Cookie Manager. It's called "cookie:paul b.
gallagher@localhost/" (this is the filename). If I delete it from
...\Windows\Temporary Files\ and try to proceed, the site immediately
sets it again and continues as if nothing had happened.

I've tried to contact PennDOT, but their system is designed to prevent
any contact with their webmaster, so no luck there.

Any bright ideas? Could the two browsers have a different definition of
"third party"? Is there a way to set SM to accept this weird cookie?



In your SeaMonkey profile with SeaMonkey NOT running, mark the profile
of the file cookies.sqlite as "read only".  When you then launch
SeaMonkey, set your preferences to allow all cookies.  As soon as you
are done at the PennDOT Web site, the site will think you are allowing
all cookies and that it has written persistant cookies to your hard
drive.  NO cookies will actually be written.  If you are concerned about
having those cookies in SeaMonkey's memory while you surf elsewhere,
terminate and then re-launch SeaMonkey.


I tried to follow your confusing instructions as best I could, and they 
didn't work.


I did terminate SeaMonkey and set cookies.sqlite to read-only.

I did relaunch SeaMonkey and set my cookie preferences to "Allow all 
cookies" and "Accept cookies normally."


I did clear private data, which in my settings includes cookies and 
cache, but since cookies.sqlite is read-only, that could only affect 
memory, which should be clear anyway after a program restart.


I then visited the DMV site, and the moment I tried to visit the vehicle 
registration page it threw the same error, complaining that it couldn't 
set nonpersistent cookies.


Why you think it wants to set persistent cookies I don't know; that's 
the opposite of what it said. And I never got to the point of being 
"done at the PennDOT website," since it refused to do anything without 
its precious cookie.


Any other ideas?

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Re: PennDOT cookie issue

2016-09-19 Thread David E. Ross 
On 9/19/2016 8:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Once a year, the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation sends me a 
> vehicle registration renewal notice, inviting me to visit their website 
>  to perform the process quickly and easily. And 
> once a year I try and fail because my "The service you have selected 
> uses non-persistent cookies. Your browser is not currently set up to 
> allow non-persistent cookies." This is a lie.
> 
> My cookie settings allow first-party cookies and reject third-party 
> cookies, and clear all cache, history, and cookies at the end of a 
> SeaMonkey session. I also have InternetExploiter 11, with exactly the 
> same settings, and the site works. I've confirmed that both browsers are 
> accepting cookies.
> 
> On examining the cookies set in IE 11, I see one that I don't recognize 
> from SM's Cookie Manager. It's called "cookie:paul b. 
> gallagher@localhost/" (this is the filename). If I delete it from 
> ...\Windows\Temporary Files\ and try to proceed, the site immediately 
> sets it again and continues as if nothing had happened.
> 
> I've tried to contact PennDOT, but their system is designed to prevent 
> any contact with their webmaster, so no luck there.
> 
> Any bright ideas? Could the two browsers have a different definition of 
> "third party"? Is there a way to set SM to accept this weird cookie?
> 

In your SeaMonkey profile with SeaMonkey NOT running, mark the profile
of the file cookies.sqlite as "read only".  When you then launch
SeaMonkey, set your preferences to allow all cookies.  As soon as you
are done at the PennDOT Web site, the site will think you are allowing
all cookies and that it has written persistant cookies to your hard
drive.  NO cookies will actually be written.  If you are concerned about
having those cookies in SeaMonkey's memory while you surf elsewhere,
terminate and then re-launch SeaMonkey.

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