Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
I'm the dummy who started this topic, and I apologize to those who found my message format, content, etc., incorrect. I let my frustration with the loss of a, to me, highly valued part of seamonkey - form manager color my remarks. Since then I've messed with the various suggestions for forms made here - and I really appreciate those that have labored to try and find a way - I've used Netscape and then SeaMonkey since I was gifted AOL many years ago and realized there had to be something better.. Unfortunately not only did I lose form manger but found that 2.02 and 2.03 had odd problems as well with my main Internet machine (its runs Vista win64 which may contribute).. I've decided to move on for now, Opera runs really nice, my bookmarks survived the move as did my mail - its form management is nothing to write home about but as someone here explained to me if I want better I should write it (like that would ever happen). I hope seamonkey gets its act together, that a form manger returns, that the we're in this together attitude reappears.. and shot world peace as well. I'll check back in a few months or so I guess, but if not I'll well aware of the value of one less user.. To those that made seamonkey 1.xx so great my thanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:22:59 -0800, NoOp wrote: Including the multiple variations/flavours/versions of those platforms. In fact I find it quite remarkable that SeaMonkey/Mozilla/OSS et al manage to actually get everything (well most everything) to work in Windows flavours from Win2K to Win7, linux (about a hundred different distros), Mac's of all different OS versions, etc., etc. Not to forget 32bit and 64bit variations of many of those. Amazing... There are SeaMonkey ports to OS/2, BeOS/Haiku, AIX, Solaris as well. Sadly nobody has updated the old OpenVMS port of the Mozilla Suite and RiscOS only has a Firefox port. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Rufus schrieb: Which you do already in maintaining a multi-platform product, so it's not a stretch. Oh, but maintaining a single code path for all platforms is much easier than 4-5 different ones! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
NoOp schrieb: On 01/07/2010 04:40 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: My initial point/suggestion was to leverage capability built into the individual OS...thus allowing you to drop some code altogether. By introducing at least three code paths for the three major platforms, and probably some more for others like Solaris, AIX, OS/2 and whatever else builds can be made for. Including the multiple variations/flavours/versions of those platforms. In fact I find it quite remarkable that SeaMonkey/Mozilla/OSS et al manage to actually get everything (well most everything) to work in Windows flavours from Win2K to Win7, linux (about a hundred different distros), Mac's of all different OS versions, etc., etc. Not to forget 32bit and 64bit variations of many of those. Amazing... One reason for this is that we are trying to be as little as possible dependent on things that are specific to one platform or version of it, with the nice side-effect that many of us only need to develop on one platform and version and write code that works on all the others. That's the real benefit of the Mozilla platform. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: Which you do already in maintaining a multi-platform product, so it's not a stretch. Oh, but maintaining a single code path for all platforms is much easier than 4-5 different ones! Robert Kaiser Yeah...I'm not a coder, so I'm not really sure how you do that in a multi-platform environment in the first place... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:32:47 -0500, David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. HTML Validator is available for SeaMonkey 2.0a3 in Mac OsX Intel and Mac OsX PPC versions. http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html Just install the nightly tester tools extension, disable compatibility checking and it should just work. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Rufus schrieb: My initial point/suggestion was to leverage capability built into the individual OS...thus allowing you to drop some code altogether. By introducing at least three code paths for the three major platforms, and probably some more for others like Solaris, AIX, OS/2 and whatever else builds can be made for. But I also stated that that suggestion would be moot if all three primary OSs didn't provide the same function/service across the board. It's surely not the same, but different implementations that do similar but in details different things and usually are completely different to interface with. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
chicagofan schrieb: A blank message serves no purpose but to annoy other people who come to this support forum looking for help with their problems. Right, and that's why my reply to the OP is just as useless. no content probably even deserves no reply at all. :P Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: My initial point/suggestion was to leverage capability built into the individual OS...thus allowing you to drop some code altogether. By introducing at least three code paths for the three major platforms, and probably some more for others like Solaris, AIX, OS/2 and whatever else builds can be made for. Which you do already in maintaining a multi-platform product, so it's not a stretch. But again - that also assumes the lines of code required to branch would be far fewer that the number of lines required to write a whole forms and/or password managing routine; and might prove a bit more maintainable to, because interface implementation would be tied to a well documented commercial product. But I also stated that that suggestion would be moot if all three primary OSs didn't provide the same function/service across the board. It's surely not the same, but different implementations that do similar but in details different things and usually are completely different to interface with. Robert Kaiser What I would leverage would be the similarities, if they exist; common data within similar but not identical databases. But I'm beginning to think that my initial caveat of similar built in capability across the OS spectrum probably prohibits the whole idea... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away What I've noticed in my survey of Mac alternatives to SM is that quite a few are integrated with Apple Keychain - including Safari, which looks like it may store forms information there...as I'm not a Safari user I don't really know. But what I do know and like about Keychain is that is encrypts it's contents and those contents are protected by a password of it's own outside of any parent app... ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world include anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Just a suggestion...if no one provides this capability other than Apple, it's pretty much moot. As I recall, Camino uses the Keychain. There was a Mcc port of TB in the works, I recall downloading an early copy. I don't know if it still is under active developement. Lee I know Camino does, and I was a bit surprised to find that Google Chrome does too. I'm also a bit surprised at how much alike Safari, Camino, and Chrome all look (and Firefox, for that matter)...but I've only taken cursory looks and need to survey their feature sets deeper. I haven't played with Opera as of yet, but from the website it looks like it has it's own Password Manager like SM. It seems to be the most SM-like in that it's an integrated suite. Dunno about it's capability as a usenet reader, though. Camino is based on FireFox, but uses the Mac interface, SM, FF, and Camino is based on Gecko Engine. Safari, iCab, OmniWeb, Opera are webkit iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Rufus schrieb: ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world incllude anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Feel free to write a patch, our software is all open source! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Phillip Jones wrote: iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. SM/FF have HTML Validator extension. I had to hack it for SM2 2.0/2.1 but it works well. It's amazing how few sites pass validation, especially from the big players. Wikipedia and most Mozilla sites are a happy exception. I am not a web developer, but my simple site passes validation, and I just cannot fathom why web developers do not have enough pride in their work to fix the bugs. I mean, really, it's so easy to do. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. SM/FF have HTML Validator extension. I had to hack it for SM2 2.0/2.1 but it works well. It's amazing how few sites pass validation, especially from the big players. Wikipedia and most Mozilla sites are a happy exception. I am not a web developer, but my simple site passes validation, and I just cannot fathom why web developers do not have enough pride in their work to fix the bugs. I mean, really, it's so easy to do. Doesn't work of Mac OSX. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. In SM, if you mark a post as unread it will be visible as long as you wish [until the news server deletes it for room]. Just click on the [sort] button that designates read or unread. You can cancel *your* posts with SM [the same as any other program as far as I know]. If you mean other people's posts, all you have to do is mark them Read and they will be gone when you come back [reload]. If you want an entire thread to disappear just highlight one of the messages and click T on the keyboard. If you know all of this, I apologize; but I don't understand what your complaint is. :) What do I not understand? bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
On 1/6/2010 8:26 AM, chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. In SM, if you mark a post as unread it will be visible as long as you wish [until the news server deletes it for room]. Just click on the [sort] button that designates read or unread. Actually, posts (or messages) will not show up in the group the next time you visit the group if you set the group to view unread messages only, using View - Threads - Threads with Unread, for example. You can cancel *your* posts with SM [the same as any other program as far as I know]. If you mean other people's posts, all you have to do is The client usually allows for a way to cancel a post, but it's really up to the news server whether the cancel is honored. Most news servers don't support this. mark them Read and they will be gone when you come back [reload]. If you want an entire thread to disappear just highlight one of the messages and click T on the keyboard. Hmmm, 't' just takes you to the next unread thread. I think you meant to recommend 'r', which marks the current thread as 'read'. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
me2 wrote: I'm going to make the unlikely assumption that your posting was of good intent - that you surely recognized that the initial post was a plea to the seamonkey community to restore what I believe is an important part of the original Netscape heritage. A blank message serves no purpose but to annoy other people who come to this support forum looking for help with their problems. I don't think anyone here who reads daily for information which will help them using SM, does NOT know how you and others... feel about Form Manager. :) This strikes me as a way of stomping your feet like a child saying I WANT THIS. Do you really think that your insults, or this tactic is going to persuade anyone not working on this now, to BEGIN working on it? Barbara ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. SM/FF have HTML Validator extension. I had to hack it for SM2 2.0/2.1 but it works well. It's amazing how few sites pass validation, especially from the big players. Wikipedia and most Mozilla sites are a happy exception. I am not a web developer, but my simple site passes validation, and I just cannot fathom why web developers do not have enough pride in their work to fix the bugs. I mean, really, it's so easy to do. Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You lost me Phillip, what doesn't work on OSX? Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/6/2010 8:26 AM, chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. In SM, if you mark a post as unread it will be visible as long as you wish [until the news server deletes it for room]. Just click on the [sort] button that designates read or unread. Actually, posts (or messages) will not show up in the group the next time you visit the group if you set the group to view unread messages only, using View - Threads - Threads with Unread, for example. Sorry I didn't mention that, in case the OP doesn't use show Unread. Good point! You can cancel *your* posts with SM [the same as any other program as far as I know]. If you mean other people's posts, all you have to do is The client usually allows for a way to cancel a post, but it's really up to the news server whether the cancel is honored. Most news servers don't support this. I knew this too, but didn't want to confuse with my question about what do they see as the difference between SM and Forte, since they are treated the same by news servers. Do you know what they are talking about? mark them Read and they will be gone when you come back [reload]. If you want an entire thread to disappear just highlight one of the messages and click T on the keyboard. Hmmm, 't' just takes you to the next unread thread. I think you meant to recommend 'r', which marks the current thread as 'read'. That's funny, because in my versions of SM, T will mark the whole thread read AND move to the next thread. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. If that's what he means, lets look a little deeper: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html Note, he has the various platforms pretty well covered, including Mac OS X for both Intel and PPC. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
On 1/6/2010 9:40 AM, chicagofan wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/6/2010 8:26 AM, chicagofan wrote: You can cancel *your* posts with SM [the same as any other program as far as I know]. If you mean other people's posts, all you have to do is The client usually allows for a way to cancel a post, but it's really up to the news server whether the cancel is honored. Most news servers don't support this. I knew this too, but didn't want to confuse with my question about what do they see as the difference between SM and Forte, since they are treated the same by news servers. Do you know what they are talking about? It sounded to me like they wanted to cancel their post. This is ultimately a function of the news server. The user can demand the feature in their news client all they want, but if the server doesn't provide the feature, it's not going to work. I'm not aware of any public news server which provide this feature. mark them Read and they will be gone when you come back [reload]. If you want an entire thread to disappear just highlight one of the messages and click T on the keyboard. Hmmm, 't' just takes you to the next unread thread. I think you meant to recommend 'r', which marks the current thread as 'read'. That's funny, because in my versions of SM, T will mark the whole thread read AND move to the next thread. Well, that's a new one on me :) The UI simply says Go - Next - Unread Thread. It doesn't say anything about marking the current thread read, but sure enough, that's what it appears to do. Thanks, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/6/2010 9:40 AM, chicagofan wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/6/2010 8:26 AM, chicagofan wrote: You can cancel *your* posts with SM [the same as any other program as far as I know]. If you mean other people's posts, all you have to do is The client usually allows for a way to cancel a post, but it's really up to the news server whether the cancel is honored. Most news servers don't support this. I knew this too, but didn't want to confuse with my question about what do they see as the difference between SM and Forte, since they are treated the same by news servers. Do you know what they are talking about? It sounded to me like they wanted to cancel their post. This is ultimately a function of the news server. The user can demand the feature in their news client all they want, but if the server doesn't provide the feature, it's not going to work. I'm not aware of any public news server which provide this feature. Agreed, but what is the difference they see or advantage to using Forte over SM? I don't see it, at least related to what was mentioned. mark them Read and they will be gone when you come back [reload]. If you want an entire thread to disappear just highlight one of the messages and click T on the keyboard. Hmmm, 't' just takes you to the next unread thread. I think you meant to recommend 'r', which marks the current thread as 'read'. That's funny, because in my versions of SM, T will mark the whole thread read AND move to the next thread. Well, that's a new one on me :) The UI simply says Go - Next - Unread Thread. It doesn't say anything about marking the current thread read, but sure enough, that's what it appears to do. Thanks, LOL... you scared me for a minute, so I had to rush to test it and make sure it still worked that way. :) Especially since, I just got 2.0.2 this morning. Happy to say it still does for me too. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. If you work only with SM and never with Forte Agent, i understand why you don't understand. Il will precide the two points by just saying that the posts we see with Agent ... are on the pc so ... 1. We can maintain his visibility for ever. 2. If we delete it, it's done - never visible/present for ever. Those two points *cannot* be done with SM. Therefore, please don't blame ForteAgent. I have it for all my newsgroups except for mozilla.support.seamonkey where i used SM to read them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. If you work only with SM and never with Forte Agent, i understand why you don't understand. Il will precide the two points by just saying that the posts we see with Agent ... are on the pc so ... 1. We can maintain his visibility for ever. 2. If we delete it, it's done - never visible/present for ever. Those two points *cannot* be done with SM. Therefore, please don't blame ForteAgent. I have it for all my newsgroups except for mozilla.support.seamonkey where i used SM to read them. Just to add that the point 1 and 2 refer to a pc file - nothing to do with the news-server. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ray_Net wrote: Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. If you work only with SM and never with Forte Agent, i understand why you don't understand. Il will precide the two points by just saying that the posts we see with Agent ... are on the pc so ... 1. We can maintain his visibility for ever. 2. If we delete it, it's done - never visible/present for ever. Those two points *cannot* be done with SM. I don't use offline mode, but doesn't SM work like this in offline mode? -- David Wilkinson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
David Wilkinson wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. If you work only with SM and never with Forte Agent, i understand why you don't understand. Il will precide the two points by just saying that the posts we see with Agent ... are on the pc so ... 1. We can maintain his visibility for ever. 2. If we delete it, it's done - never visible/present for ever. Those two points *cannot* be done with SM. I don't use offline mode, but doesn't SM work like this in offline mode? That's what I was thinking. However, he's right, I've never used Forte, so I don't know what is different to him. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/6/2010 1:26 PM, chicagofan wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: It sounded to me like they wanted to cancel their post. This is ultimately a function of the news server. The user can demand the feature in their news client all they want, but if the server doesn't provide the feature, it's not going to work. I'm not aware of any public news server which provide this feature. Agreed, but what is the difference they see or advantage to using Forte over SM? I don't see it, at least related to what was mentioned. I can't answer that. I don't use Forte. Well, that's a new one on me :) The UI simply says Go - Next - Unread Thread. It doesn't say anything about marking the current thread read, but sure enough, that's what it appears to do. Thanks, LOL... you scared me for a minute, so I had to rush to test it and make sure it still worked that way. :) Especially since, I just got 2.0.2 this morning. Happy to say it still does for me too. bj Sorry to scare you :) No fright intended. It seems strange to me that an action titled Next unread thread should have the side effect of marking the current thread as read. I can see that it is very convenient, it just doesn't make sense to me. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: I know Camino does, and I was a bit surprised to find that Google Chrome does too. I'm also a bit surprised at how much alike Safari, Camino, and Chrome all look (and Firefox, for that matter)...but I've only taken cursory looks and need to survey their feature sets deeper. I haven't played with Opera as of yet, but from the website it looks like it has it's own Password Manager like SM. It seems to be the most SM-like in that it's an integrated suite. Dunno about it's capability as a usenet reader, though. Camino is based on FireFox, but uses the Mac interface, SM, FF, and Camino is based on Gecko Engine. Safari, iCab, OmniWeb, Opera are webkit iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. What I find interesting is that even though they share code, I would have expected the interfaces to be differently themed, just seeing as (supposedly) different people are working on each...if only just to brand them more; particularly because one can use themes. But they all look an feel nearly identical, even if they do have differing feature sets. Just wasn't expecting that. Makes me wonder just who's doing what to/with whom. Not a complaint, just a surprise. I've been using NS/MS/SM exclusively for so long I don't know what other folks have been up to. If I had any topical worry it would be about the various products being somehow limited in diversity, and thus restricting my choices somewhat. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world incllude anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Feel free to write a patch, our software is all open source! Robert Kaiser My initial point/suggestion was to leverage capability built into the individual OS...thus allowing you to drop some code altogether. But I also stated that that suggestion would be moot if all three primary OSs didn't provide the same function/service across the board. The code already exists for OS X (within Camino, forex;), no clue about Linux or Windows even having any such capability to exploit - that was my question. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: I know Camino does, and I was a bit surprised to find that Google Chrome does too. I'm also a bit surprised at how much alike Safari, Camino, and Chrome all look (and Firefox, for that matter)...but I've only taken cursory looks and need to survey their feature sets deeper. I haven't played with Opera as of yet, but from the website it looks like it has it's own Password Manager like SM. It seems to be the most SM-like in that it's an integrated suite. Dunno about it's capability as a usenet reader, though. Camino is based on FireFox, but uses the Mac interface, SM, FF, and Camino is based on Gecko Engine. Safari, iCab, OmniWeb, Opera are webkit iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. What I find interesting is that even though they share code, I would have expected the interfaces to be differently themed, just seeing as (supposedly) different people are working on each...if only just to brand them more; particularly because one can use themes. But they all look an feel nearly identical, even if they do have differing feature sets. Just wasn't expecting that. Makes me wonder just who's doing what to/with whom. Not a complaint, just a surprise. I've been using NS/MS/SM exclusively for so long I don't know what other folks have been up to. If I had any topical worry it would be about the various products being somehow limited in diversity, and thus restricting my choices somewhat. Phillip, are you really sure about Opera being Webkit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layout_engine Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. yes. Now it does work in FF, and I in fact used it to clear some minor issues on the web pages on my website. The main problem I found was not adding %20 for spaces. I have two places where I use the same Flash movie. and Using Flash 8 It created the flash movies from images I put in it. The movie plays fine but according to the Validator w3C says the embed command is not legal. Other than that I am 100% W3C complaint according to this Validator. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. SM/FF have HTML Validator extension. I had to hack it for SM2 2.0/2.1 but it works well. It's amazing how few sites pass validation, especially from the big players. Wikipedia and most Mozilla sites are a happy exception. I am not a web developer, but my simple site passes validation, and I just cannot fathom why web developers do not have enough pride in their work to fix the bugs. I mean, really, it's so easy to do. Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You lost me Phillip, what doesn't work on OSX? Lee The HTML Validator extension. Does work for FF -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. If that's what he means, lets look a little deeper: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html Note, he has the various platforms pretty well covered, including Mac OS X for both Intel and PPC. Lee But not for SM2 does on FF3.x -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: I know Camino does, and I was a bit surprised to find that Google Chrome does too. I'm also a bit surprised at how much alike Safari, Camino, and Chrome all look (and Firefox, for that matter)...but I've only taken cursory looks and need to survey their feature sets deeper. I haven't played with Opera as of yet, but from the website it looks like it has it's own Password Manager like SM. It seems to be the most SM-like in that it's an integrated suite. Dunno about it's capability as a usenet reader, though. Camino is based on FireFox, but uses the Mac interface, SM, FF, and Camino is based on Gecko Engine. Safari, iCab, OmniWeb, Opera are webkit iCab is unusual in that it will (automatically if turned on check for bad code based on latest w3c specs. Green smile face shows up if correct or a Purple Sad face show if there are errors. you can click on this and generate a report which you can then save as a text file which you can send to webmaster. For example here is error report for Mozilla.org opening (home) page: http://www.phillipmjones.net/MozillaErrors.text It couldn't find Doctype declaration so it based the check on XML 1.0 Transitional. Setting for Strict, Transitional, or Frameset seems to make no difference check for variants of HTML there are hundreds of errors, so XML or XHTML seems to be correct setting. I've managed to correct pages on my website so all of mine I hope are in the green. I've converted all to at least XHTML 1.0 Transitional. What I find interesting is that even though they share code, I would have expected the interfaces to be differently themed, just seeing as (supposedly) different people are working on each...if only just to brand them more; particularly because one can use themes. But they all look an feel nearly identical, even if they do have differing feature sets. Just wasn't expecting that. Makes me wonder just who's doing what to/with whom. Not a complaint, just a surprise. I've been using NS/MS/SM exclusively for so long I don't know what other folks have been up to. If I had any topical worry it would be about the various products being somehow limited in diversity, and thus restricting my choices somewhat. Phillip, are you really sure about Opera being Webkit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layout_engine Lee It what I've read. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: David Wilkinson wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Doesn't work of Mac OSX. You mean HTML Validator extension doesn't work on Mac OSX? I wouldn't know about that. It works on Windows, but you have to hack the version numbers for SM2. If that's what he means, lets look a little deeper: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/download.html Note, he has the various platforms pretty well covered, including Mac OS X for both Intel and PPC. Lee But not for SM2 does on FF3.x Note David's reply about adjuting it to work. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: chicagofan wrote: Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote: That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. Forte Agent permit us to have the posts we want to be always visible - SM did not permit that. Forte Agent permit us to delete the posts we want SM did not permit that. I don't understand either of these comments. If you work only with SM and never with Forte Agent, i understand why you don't understand. Il will precide the two points by just saying that the posts we see with Agent ... are on the pc so ... 1. We can maintain his visibility for ever. 2. If we delete it, it's done - never visible/present for ever. Those two points *cannot* be done with SM. Therefore, please don't blame ForteAgent. I have it for all my newsgroups except for mozilla.support.seamonkey where i used SM to read them. Just to add that the point 1 and 2 refer to a pc file - nothing to do with the news-server. Sorry, Ray_Net, are you saying that you can download messages from a news server, using ForteAgent, so that they are stored on your computers Hard drive?? If so, then in SeaMonkey, File-Offline-Download/Sync Now does the same thing, i.e. you end up with a file for each news group that you wish to download, so you have a permanent record of posts made to that server/group. HTH -- Seasons greeting, one and all and may this year be a better one! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/4/2010 10:24 AM, me2 wrote: Yep. That would be nice ... would be nice if Firefox used the Old SeaMonkey Form Manager, too! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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MikeyG wrote: On 1/4/2010 10:24 AM, me2 wrote: Yep. That would be nice ... would be nice if Firefox used the Old SeaMonkey Form Manager, too! The subject has been beat to death. The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so. As a workable substitute download the extension Forms History manager extension It works not as great as with SM 1.1.8. But it will do. I've already use it sever times to make corrections. They way they describe the seamonkey built in Manager to make correction simply does not work period. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 01/05/2010 11:27 AM, me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. And I (we?) do hope that you'll take advantage of SeaMonkey to review the past threads addressing this issue, rather than starting a new one shooting blanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 1/5/2010 4:27 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away I began using Firefox because Form Manager was gone; figured, may as well. I use the extension, Form History; it sure, ain't the same as Form Manager, though. - MikeyG ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I'm going to make the unlikely assumption that your posting was of good intent - that you surely recognized that the initial post was a plea to the seamonkey community to restore what I believe is an important part of the original Netscape heritage. That my followup plainly said I belied that the lack of form manger in 2.x was a reflection of the lack of understanding as how important it was to many users- not an intentional slight. I don't believe anything I posted was shooting blanks, unless someone's touchy-feeling mode is on way high. I know this is Usenet where the small can be heard with as much volume as the small minded, I plea guilty to being the first and try not to practice the latter.If you don't value form manger, well that's your view, I was merely trying to keep the issue visible here, hoping that those who are considering abandoning SM well at least know that are others who still have hope. On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:44:45 -0800, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 01/05/2010 11:27 AM, me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. And I (we?) do hope that you'll take advantage of SeaMonkey to review the past threads addressing this issue, rather than starting a new one shooting blanks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 01/05/2010 03:04 PM, me2 wrote: I'm going to make the unlikely assumption that your posting was of good intent - that you surely recognized that the initial post was a plea to the seamonkey community to restore what I believe is an important part of the original Netscape heritage. That my followup plainly said I belied that the lack of form manger in 2.x was a reflection of the lack of understanding as how important it was to many users- not an intentional slight. I don't believe anything I posted was shooting blanks, unless someone's touchy-feeling mode is on way high. The inital post was a blank msg: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:23:53 -0600 From: me2 p...@thirdstaratright.net Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Restore Form manger...(no content) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:24:03 -0600 Message-ID: 2g54k5pf48bpcuclg7casaevkn5n2vk...@4ax.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.207.246.16 X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-hbs6xNTLtBiFdP/BL9P1bTIDaP+ompGfBn2TBHamKBscNd96gizqFornQjGc+v8U0jcmtzaDv2Y6Yjp!Bh8UnnnzYxgFMlhqrXSCIcM9IJ6aJW5f4HBH8daSeMdEstX9Lme5rTOvmC3BOPfUqzIDGLp7TRgn!izhOXK46nw== X-Complaints-To: ab...@mozilla.org X-DMCA-Complaints-To: ab...@mozilla.org X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 1112 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:47737 I know this is Usenet where the small can be heard with as much volume as the small minded, I plea guilty to being the first and try not to practice the latter. This is *not* Usenet. If you don't value form manger, well that's your view, I was merely trying to keep the issue visible here, hoping that those who are considering abandoning SM well at least know that are others who still have hope. That it not my view. My view is that perhaps you should switch from Forte Agent, and use SeaMonkey to search all of the threads that have already discussed this subject nearly into the ground. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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MikeyG wrote: On 1/4/2010 10:24 AM, me2 wrote: Yep. That would be nice ... would be nice if Firefox used the Old SeaMonkey Form Manager, too! ...would be even nicer if it encrypted the contents of the Form Manager...if it doesn't. The user can't really tell. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away What I've noticed in my survey of Mac alternatives to SM is that quite a few are integrated with Apple Keychain - including Safari, which looks like it may store forms information there...as I'm not a Safari user I don't really know. But what I do know and like about Keychain is that is encrypts it's contents and those contents are protected by a password of it's own outside of any parent app... ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world incllude anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Just a suggestion...if no one provides this capability other than Apple, it's pretty much moot. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away What I've noticed in my survey of Mac alternatives to SM is that quite a few are integrated with Apple Keychain - including Safari, which looks like it may store forms information there...as I'm not a Safari user I don't really know. But what I do know and like about Keychain is that is encrypts it's contents and those contents are protected by a password of it's own outside of any parent app... ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world incllude anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Just a suggestion...if no one provides this capability other than Apple, it's pretty much moot. As I recall, Camino uses the Keychain. There was a Mcc port of TB in the works, I recall downloading an early copy. I don't know if it still is under active developement. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Restore Form manger...(no content)
Leonidas Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: me2 wrote: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:14:32 -0500, Phillip Jones pjon...@kimbanet.com wrote: The powers that be don't have the manpower, knowledge, interest, desire, willingness to do so I hope we have not reached the point where seamonkey, or indeed any free software, will defined by a few - the genius of its origin was a browser that encompassed several vital tools under one umbrella. To start cutting off any of these, form manger included, diminishes the original concept and automatically removes some users who had depended on a given ability. If the powers that be really want to send people to other browsers this is great way to start. BUT I really believe that the importance of form manger was just underestimated and there remains hope for its restoration. There is a glimmer of hope. there has been some rekindled interest in adding a forms manager, But, it will not be along the lines of the one in 1.1.8. It would be more along the lines of the extension Forms History Manager. But Most likely it would make a return in version 2.1 or 2.2 (remember updates are in .1 increments so it will be quite aways away What I've noticed in my survey of Mac alternatives to SM is that quite a few are integrated with Apple Keychain - including Safari, which looks like it may store forms information there...as I'm not a Safari user I don't really know. But what I do know and like about Keychain is that is encrypts it's contents and those contents are protected by a password of it's own outside of any parent app... ...and I like the idea of using a standalone outside of the browser itself which is integrated as a part of the basic function of the OS - does the PC and/or Linux world incllude anything similar to Apple Keychain? If so, maybe the way to go is to exploit that (existing?) capability on both platforms for storage of such information? Just a suggestion...if no one provides this capability other than Apple, it's pretty much moot. As I recall, Camino uses the Keychain. There was a Mcc port of TB in the works, I recall downloading an early copy. I don't know if it still is under active developement. Lee I know Camino does, and I was a bit surprised to find that Google Chrome does too. I'm also a bit surprised at how much alike Safari, Camino, and Chrome all look (and Firefox, for that matter)...but I've only taken cursory looks and need to survey their feature sets deeper. I haven't played with Opera as of yet, but from the website it looks like it has it's own Password Manager like SM. It seems to be the most SM-like in that it's an integrated suite. Dunno about it's capability as a usenet reader, though. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
