Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Original Message Perhaps the picture is created by copy/paste into the mail and not attached ... so visible in html mode and invisible in text mode. I've had that happen to my recipients - so now I'll do both (which is a waste). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Daniel wrote: Richmond wrote on 13/05/18 04:32: Ray_Net wrote: Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. Richmond, one possibility In the "Threads" pane, one of the columns that can be shown is the "Lines" column. For a small text e-mail the value shown might be 10 - 20. For a big text e-mail the value might be 50 -100. For an HTML e-mail or a text e-mail with an attachment, the value might be several hundred to several thousand lines. To enable the "Lines" column, click the squiggle line symbol to the extreme right of the "Subject:", "From", "Date" line and select "Lines". +1 i don't know exactly what you mean, but I agree -- https://facebook.com/gerardjan.vinkesteijn User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 Build identifier: 20180403170715 Fedora 20 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 13/05/18 04:32: Ray_Net wrote: Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. Richmond, one possibility In the "Threads" pane, one of the columns that can be shown is the "Lines" column. For a small text e-mail the value shown might be 10 - 20. For a big text e-mail the value might be 50 -100. For an HTML e-mail or a text e-mail with an attachment, the value might be several hundred to several thousand lines. To enable the "Lines" column, click the squiggle line symbol to the extreme right of the "Subject:", "From", "Date" line and select "Lines". -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively > in plain-text. > If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the > HTML part ... > Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... > > If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment > OUTSIDE de html part. I don't want to see the attachment or have it shown, I just want to know that there /is/ one. I was about to reply to the sender saying that he had forgotten to attach the attachment. There was no clue that the message contained anything other than a bit of text. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/9/2018 2:40 PM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > NoOp wrote: >> On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: >>> NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? >>> I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 >>> choices: >>> - "Original HTML" >>> - "Simple HTML" >>> - "Plain Text" >>> >> >> Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other >> means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before >> posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, >> I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. > > Somewhere else in this thread (or maybe on a web page I got to via a > message in this thread) I see there is a preference > "mailnews.display.show_all_body_parts_menu" which enables that menu > item. It's "false" (don't show the option) by default. I guess you > previously enabled that preference, or installed an extension which does so. > Bingo! Thanks Mark, that is it - had it set to true on both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
NoOp wrote: On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 choices: - "Original HTML" - "Simple HTML" - "Plain Text" Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. Somewhere else in this thread (or maybe on a web page I got to via a message in this thread) I see there is a preference "mailnews.display.show_all_body_parts_menu" which enables that menu item. It's "false" (don't show the option) by default. I guess you previously enabled that preference, or installed an extension which does so. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 12:32 PM, Ray_Net wrote: > NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: >> On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. > Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >>> Someone has already raised a similar issue here: >>> >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 >>> >>> Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: >>> >>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ >>> >>> called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) >>> >> Have you tried the already included: >> View|Message Body As|All Body Parts >> that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? >> >> > I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 > choices: > - "Original HTML" > - "Simple HTML" > - "Plain Text" > Odd... I must have installed it via an extension/add-on or some other means some time ago. It apparently is in my profile somewhere as before posting I tested in safe mode (add-ons disabled). Sorry for the noise, I'll see if I can figure out how I got it & then post back. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Frank-Rainer Grahl: >It builds but that is about all :) > >Didin't try today. Mozilla just removed another few bits from Gecko and jorgk >just pushed a bustage fixe for mailnews. The new build succeeded. The first SM 2.59. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Wed, 9 May 2018 08:04:01 +0200, _Ray_Net_: Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 22:21: Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. I can think of few reasons why the current behavior should be improved: 1) The MIME handling is not set in stone – it's mostly about the capabilities of the client, and a client should make best effort to not hide content from the user. If I remember correctly Claws Mail [1] doesn't handle HTML but presents an UI for viewing any MIME part of the message as text, or just access/save it as attachment; 2) There's already a precedent in Mozilla Mail – an HTML message with embedded pictures: multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ multipart/related ├─ text/html └─ image/jpeg When viewed as plain text, the pictures are seen as attachments. In fact any other part, whether actually linked in the HTML or not, of the "multiplart/related" branch will be shown as attachment. That's perfectly valid given (1). It makes sense this handling could be extended, or more generic solution like "Show All Body Parts" (already suggested in another reply to this thread) provided. [1] http://www.claws-mail.org/ -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
It builds but that is about all :) Didin't try today. Mozilla just removed another few bits from Gecko and jorgk just pushed a bustage fixe for mailnews. FRG Hartmut Figge wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl: We really need to fix the current bustages first... Well, yesterday a build of SM-Trunk on Linux x86_64 succeeded. After a relative long time of bustages. But building is broken again. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Frank-Rainer Grahl: >We really need to fix the current bustages first... Well, yesterday a build of SM-Trunk on Linux x86_64 succeeded. After a relative long time of bustages. But building is broken again. :) Hartmut ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 22:21: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when reading in plain-text. I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason "Works Correctly". Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. Why must TB or SM show a part of the HTML part when reading exclusively in plain-text. If you position your option to plain-text-only don't expect to reach the HTML part ... Permitting to access the html part is an aberration ... If you want to see the attachment Iphone/Ipad MUST put the attachment OUTSIDE de html part. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: >> Ray_Net wrote: >>> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >>> Iphone could be the culprit. >> It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the >> iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. >> >> As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as >> it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >> > I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... > I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when > reading in plain-text. > I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason > "Works Correctly". Bugzilla isn't just for bugs though, it's for change requests too. The fact that it is working correctly doesn't mean it is useful or should never be changed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 08-05-18 10:02: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. I the Iphone/Ipad put the attachment into the html part ... I suggest that SM nor TB must not permit to see this attachment when reading in plain-text. I that case, I suggest to close the bug immediately with the reason "Works Correctly". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
NoOp wrote on 08-05-18 19:03: On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: Richmond wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. Someone has already raised a similar issue here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? I did not have that option for "Message Body As" I have only those 3 choices: - "Original HTML" - "Simple HTML" - "Plain Text" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: OK I have recreated the problem as follows: On my iPhone, I created a spreadsheet using the Numbers app. (I don't think it matters what the attachment is, this is just an example). I then sent this to myself by email. (It is not obvious [to me] how to do this, I searched for it, then selected it from the cloud drive using the "select" option, then clicked the upload symbol, and selected email.) I can see this fine in SM (*), no problems. Then, using the iPhone, I forward the message which I received from myself to myself. I am asked if I want to include the attachments and I say yes. I then look at the forwarded message in SeaMonkey (*) and I cannot see the attachments when the message body is displayed as plain text. However if I change View Message Body as HTML then I see the attachment listed over on the right where I can select Save All etc. (*) I am using IMAP so I can view the same message on iPhone or SM. The first header is like this (I removed hex strings) : --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff here) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Then base64 encoded stuff (presumably the attached spreadsheet) Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) I can't be sure without knowing the main Content-Type: header and which "hex stuff" lines match which other "hex stuff" lines, but it looks like you might have a multipart/alternative (guessing at the main Content-Type header) message consisting of: 1. A text/plain (plain text) part with no attachments 2. A multipart/mixed part containing: 2.1. A text/html (HTML formatted) part 2.2. An attachment 2.3. Another text/html part (possibly an HTML signature file?) If that is the case, the attachments are only included in the alternate part which also includes the HTML version. Viewing only the text/plain alternate part does not include the attachments. To be sure, I'd need to see the main Content-Type header and the parts you've replaced with "(hex stuff)", but if that is the case it would appear to be an issue with the way the mail is constructed by the sender. What I'd expect to see is something more like (starting with the main Content-Type header): Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail-HexString1" --Apple-Mail-HexString1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-HexString2" --Apple-Mail-HexString2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Content of plain text part) --Apple-Mail-HexString2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Content of HTML part) --Apple-Mail-HexString2-- --Apple-Mail-HexString1 Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 (Base64-encoded attachment) --Apple-Mail-HexString1-- Which represents (if I've constructed that example correctly) a multipart/mixed part containing: 1. A multipart/alternative part containing: 1.1. A text/plain (plain text) part 1.2. A text/html (HTML formatted) part 2. An attachment Note that the attachment is not within either of the alternative parts. The two different hex strings used as the multipart separators, and the additional dashes before and sometimes after them, are significant in indicating which of the two multipart groups they're separating and where that part ends. -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 1:31 AM, Richmond wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Ray_Net wrote: >>> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >>> Iphone could be the culprit. >> >> It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the >> iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. >> >> As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as >> it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. >> > > Someone has already raised a similar issue here: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 > > Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ > > called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) > Have you tried the already included: View|Message Body As|All Body Parts that is included in both SeaMonkey and Thunderbird? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
On 5/8/2018 at 12:07 PM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius: Ok, Ok, but if the correction is possible thru an addon, It would be not so difficult to put the code of the addon into the source of TB. I did not know what a "bustage" is google-translate cannot help me in french. Something that is broken. In this case, things in the software that are not working properly. -- Ed Mullen https://edmullen.net/ What if there were no rhetorical questions? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ok, Ok, but if the correction is possible thru an addon, It would be not so difficult to put the code of the addon into the source of TB. I did not know what a "bustage" is google-translate cannot help me in french. Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 08-05-18 17:09: ... they are VERY VERY FEW volunteers And shared mailnews code. If the TB devs don't think it can be fixed easy I wouldn't even touch it. We really need to fix the current bustages first or you won't see another SeaMonkey after the last 2.49.x. FRG Ray_Net wrote: That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
... they are VERY VERY FEW volunteers And shared mailnews code. If the TB devs don't think it can be fixed easy I wouldn't even touch it. We really need to fix the current bustages first or you won't see another SeaMonkey after the last 2.49.x. FRG Ray_Net wrote: That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 08-05-18 14:40: Tue, 8 May 2018 09:31:58 +0100, _Richmond_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Nice one – thanks for the reference. That's not normal to oblige us to install an addon because SM cannot correct his bug. Yes I know, they are all volunters ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Tue, 8 May 2018 09:31:58 +0100, _Richmond_: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) Nice one – thanks for the reference. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: > Ray_Net wrote: >> Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >>> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >>> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >>> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >>> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. >> Iphone could be the culprit. > > It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the > iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. > > As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as > it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. > Someone has already raised a similar issue here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1362539 Probably it won't be fixed but there is an extension to fix it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/show-all-body-parts/ called "show all body parts" - an unfortunate name. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: >> The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if >> you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no >> interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. >> But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. > Iphone could be the culprit. It might be. I did the test again using gmail webmail instead of the iphone, and the attachment shows correctly. As this applies to Thunderbird too I think I will raise a bugzilla, as it might be a simple matter to adapt to the iphone/ipad. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 07-05-18 11:54: The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. Iphone could be the culprit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 06-05-18 00:34: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. Yes. And in the second case, it's not an attachment, it's an embedded image in the HTML message. If the recipient chooses to view an HTML message as plain text, he won't get all the fancy formatting, images, and other features of HTML, and that's not the sender's fault. We need the OP to clearly state whether this is what he's talking about, or whether he's really talking about true attachments. The OP just said: It is not a picture. In fact there were three attachments, all of which were docx. The headers show "Content-Disposition: attachment;" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. Let's try: [color-image] Works for me, and I read every message as plain text. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Mon, 7 May 2018 18:17:47 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Mon, 7 May 2018 09:17:46 +0100, _Richmond_: I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. Test... (HTML / plain text) Attachment seems recognized in both of original HTML and plain text views having the following message structure (generated for HTML with embedded images by SeaMonkey): multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ multipart/related ├─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) The attachment is not recognized in plain text view having the following almost same structure (generated by "non-compatible" mail client): multipart/alternative ├─ text/plain └─ *multipart/mixed* ├─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) Attachment is also recognized in original HTML and plain text views with the following structure (generated for general attachments by SeaMonkey): multipart/mixed ├─ multipart/alternative │ ├─ text/plain │ └─ text/html └─ application/octet-stream (attachment) In my opinion SeaMonkey (and Thunderbird) should recognize and handle the second case just as the first one, although the attachment in both is only given as related to the "Original HTML" alternative. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Mon, 7 May 2018 09:17:46 +0100, _Richmond_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. Test... (plain text) -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
The same thing occurs in Thunderbird. I suppose you could argue that if you want to display the body as plain text, then it should have no interpretation of embedded headers at all, as that would be more secure. But it doesn't do that either, unless you use ctrl-U. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > > With all said here, and elsewhere in this thread – next time try > unchecking: > > View -> Display Attachments Inline > > and see if it makes a difference for you. > It didn't make any difference. I think the "inline" thing is a red herring. Probably what I should do is recreate the problem with a simple text file as an attachment and then try to post all the headers. (I subsequently did using a spreadsheet but forgot to post this. See later/or earlier post). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
OK I have recreated the problem as follows: On my iPhone, I created a spreadsheet using the Numbers app. (I don't think it matters what the attachment is, this is just an example). I then sent this to myself by email. (It is not obvious [to me] how to do this, I searched for it, then selected it from the cloud drive using the "select" option, then clicked the upload symbol, and selected email.) I can see this fine in SM (*), no problems. Then, using the iPhone, I forward the message which I received from myself to myself. I am asked if I want to include the attachments and I say yes. I then look at the forwarded message in SeaMonkey (*) and I cannot see the attachments when the message body is displayed as plain text. However if I change View Message Body as HTML then I see the attachment listed over on the right where I can select Save All etc. (*) I am using IMAP so I can view the same message on iPhone or SM. The first header is like this (I removed hex strings) : --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff here) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: application/x-iwork-numbers-sffnumbers; name="Blank 2.numbers"; x-apple-part-url=(hex stuff) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Blank 2.numbers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Then base64 encoded stuff (presumably the attached spreadsheet) Then: --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (html stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) --Apple-Mail-(hex stuff) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: > Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: > >> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message >> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say >> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. > > You probably observe the following: > I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is > not able to compose just that way. > I can see the image on your article without problem. It does not say it is an attachment though, and the content disposition is "inline", so it is not like my example. In my example, nothing at all is shown, it is as if there are no attachments. The only clue is if you type ctrl-u or view as html. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: > Richmond wrote on 05-05-18 01:11: >> EE wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: >>> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. >>> Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of >>> ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. >>> >>> ... >>> >> None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain >> Text. >> It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as >> options, >> nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include >> vision >> of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy >> way of >> doing it. > > I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and > with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the > options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message > Body > As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made > no difference. > > SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. > It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. >>> From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed >>> from messages before forwarding them. >>> >> I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my >> iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from >> plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially >> as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would >> apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I >> conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. >> (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). > May be because the picture is not an attachment, but is a part of the > HTML body only. It is not a picture. In fact there were three attachments, all of which were docx. The headers show "Content-Disposition: attachment;" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 15:05:32 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Sun, 6 May 2018 09:23:45 +0300, _Stanimir Stamenkov_: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. With all said here, and elsewhere in this thread – next time try unchecking: View -> Display Attachments Inline and see if it makes a difference for you. You probably observe the following: [inline image/png part with no filename associated] I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. My original message was multipart/mixed consisting of three parts: * text/plain * image/png * text/plain I've tried as soon as I give: Content-Type: ...; name= or: Content-Disposition: ...; filename= to any of the parts they start showing as attachments, in addition. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 20:27:54 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when viewed as plain text. Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even when message viewed as plain text. On my machine, both messages have paper clips in the message listing indicating the presence of an attachment regardless of my View settings. If I choose View | Message Body As | Original HTML, the images also appear in the message body, but SM thinks there is no attachment, so it shows no attachment pane. If I choose View | Message Body As | Plain Text, they vanish from the message body but are listed in the attachment pane (as "color-image.png" and "Part 1.2.2," respectively). SM 2.49.2, classic theme. O.k. This appears additionally affected by View | Display Attachments Inline. When it is selected "anonymous" message parts are not shown as attachments, although they might not be shown at all. When _not_ selected such "anonymous" message parts get listed as attachments using a generated name like "Part 1.2.2". -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. So the first time I've composed an HTML message and inserted an image it retained the file name information so it appears as attachment when viewed as plain text. Next I've used Edit As New... and the file name information was lost, and image is no longer shown as attachment even when message viewed as plain text. On my machine, both messages have paper clips in the message listing indicating the presence of an attachment regardless of my View settings. If I choose View | Message Body As | Original HTML, the images also appear in the message body, but SM thinks there is no attachment, so it shows no attachment pane. If I choose View | Message Body As | Plain Text, they vanish from the message body but are listed in the attachment pane (as "color-image.png" and "Part 1.2.2," respectively). SM 2.49.2, classic theme. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 14:31:34 -0400, _Paul B. Gallagher_: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. Let's try: [color-image] -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. Not on my machine. I tested with several HTML messages containing embedded images, which were originally displayed as View | Message Body As | Original HTML, and switched them to View | Message Body As | Plain Text. The images disappeared, of course, but no "attachment" appeared in the list; in fact, no attachment list was shown in the message header area because there were no attachments. See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show as attachment. Agreed. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Sun, 6 May 2018 00:27:56 +0200, _EE_: Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. It depends on how the client handles it, and Ray is not correct for SeaMonkey at least. If you View -> Message Body As -> Plain Text on an HTML message with an embedded image – the image will then appear as an attachment. See my other reply to the OP for an example where an image may not show as attachment. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote on 05-05-18 19:53: Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. You are now talking about embedded pictures, not attachments. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. my desktop is oké -- https://facebook.com/gerardjan.vinkesteijn User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.3 Build identifier: 20180403170715 Fedora 20 Linux ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Wed, 2 May 2018 14:06:47 +0100, _Richmond_: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. You probably observe the following: I think I've seen it before just with Apple mail clients. SeaMonkey is not able to compose just that way. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Ray_Net wrote: It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. Yes. And in the second case, it's not an attachment, it's an embedded image in the HTML message. If the recipient chooses to view an HTML message as plain text, he won't get all the fancy formatting, images, and other features of HTML, and that's not the sender's fault. We need the OP to clearly state whether this is what he's talking about, or whether he's really talking about true attachments. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote on 05-05-18 19:53: Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. It's normal that the attachment is available when you send a plain-text mail with an attachment... but try to compose and send an HTML mail with a copy/paste on the content of a picture instead of adding an attachment - then the guy who receive your mail - if he force the plain-text-format reading ... the picture is then not available until he force the html-format reading. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). That sounds strange. With Thunderbird, I have sent messages to myself from the computer to the iPad with attachments, and also from Safari on the iPad to the computer with attachments, always using plain text messages, and the attachments arrive. I have to use Thunderbird because I was unable to get SeaMonkey to work with IMAP email. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote on 05-05-18 01:11: EE wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). May be because the picture is not an attachment, but is a part of the HTML body only. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: > >> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded >> message >> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least >> say >> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. > > Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of > ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. > > ... > None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. >>> >>> >>> I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and >>> with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the >>> options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body >>> As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made >>> no difference. >>> >>> SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. >>> >> >> It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance >> it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an >> apple client who received a message with attachments). >> >> The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on >> my Iphone mail client. >> > From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed > from messages before forwarding them. > I have found another example where I sent an email to myself from my iPhone. The attachment is not recognized until I change the view from plain text to original HTML. I can't see any reason for this, especially as it is not consistent. If there is a reason for it, then it would apply to all attachments, not just those from Apple clients. So I conclude that SM is not handling attachments from Apple properly. (Whether because of Apple, or because of SM). ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
EE wrote: From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. Not so in SeaMonkey. Here, they remain as attachments, whether you send in plain text or HTML. I can't vouch for TB. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. From what I understood from using Thunderbird, attachments are removed from messages before forwarding them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: >> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Richmond wrote: >>> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. >>> >>> Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of >>> ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. >>> >>> ... >>> >> >> None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. >> It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, >> nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision >> of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of >> doing it. > > > I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and > with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the > options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body > As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made > no difference. > > SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. > It seems that some attachments do work, and some don't. In this instance it is a forwarded message (i.e. forwarded to me from someone with an apple client who received a message with attachments). The message and its attachments display OK in Gmail webmail, and also on my Iphone mail client. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 02-05-18 17:56: Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. Perhapas the picture is created by copy/paste into the mail and not attached ... so visible in html mode and invisible in text mode. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Earlier today, I wrote: Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. Correction: it displays as a little paper clip, not as an envelope. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. ... None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. I tested your claim here with messages originally written in HTML and with messages originally written in plain text, and in all cases the options I described worked as expected. I tested with View Message Body As Plain Text and with View Message Body As Original HTML, and it made no difference. SM 2.49.2, Win7 Pro SP1, SeaMonkey Default Theme. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: > Richmond wrote: > >> I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not >> show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message >> from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say >> that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. > > Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of > ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. > > 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," > "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, > you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message > has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. > > To enable/disable columns, click the very last icon in the heading row > and check/uncheck items as you wish. > > 2) In the message pane, to the left of the boldface word "Subject:" at > top, you'll see a triangular icon. Click it to show/hide the message > details such as From, To, etc. At the far right you'll see a small pane > titled, "Attachments" in which the attachments are listed by name. If > there is no attachment list, that's because the message has no > attachments. You can open them directly by double-clicking them, or save > them by right-clicking and choosing your preferred options. You can also > save all attachments from a message in one pass by right-clicking and > choosing "Save all." > > 3) Finally, if you haven't enabled the attachment column as described in > item 1) above, but you have enabled the "Size" column, messages with > sizes in MB instead of KB probably have attachments. ;-) > None of those options work if you have View Message Body As Plain Text. It is as if there are no attachments, no paperclips, no save as options, nothing. At the very least I would thing plain text would include vision of the attachment headers, although that would be a rather messy way of doing it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: View message body as plain text - but no attachments?
Richmond wrote: I have SM set to view the message body as plain text. But it does not show attachments. At least it did not show some in a forwarded message from an apple mail client. Is this what we want? It could at least say that there are attachments without trying any further interpretation. Not sure what you mean "show attachments," but there are a couple of ways for you to detect that a message contains an attachment. 1) In the message list, you'll see column headings like "Subject," "From," "Date," "Status," etc. On the far right, if you've enabled it, you'll see a column heading that looks like a paper clip. When a message has an attachment, that column will display a little envelope. To enable/disable columns, click the very last icon in the heading row and check/uncheck items as you wish. 2) In the message pane, to the left of the boldface word "Subject:" at top, you'll see a triangular icon. Click it to show/hide the message details such as From, To, etc. At the far right you'll see a small pane titled, "Attachments" in which the attachments are listed by name. If there is no attachment list, that's because the message has no attachments. You can open them directly by double-clicking them, or save them by right-clicking and choosing your preferred options. You can also save all attachments from a message in one pass by right-clicking and choosing "Save all." 3) Finally, if you haven't enabled the attachment column as described in item 1) above, but you have enabled the "Size" column, messages with sizes in MB instead of KB probably have attachments. ;-) -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
